06-01-2022, 01:09 PM
Thank you for your thoughtful post, J.W.
I like that quote from Ra. To give more context:
The paradox of balancing—or maintaining the balance of—disassociation and unity, may sound simple, but I do not find it so. It is in my experience a matter of state of being rather than comprehending the ideas, which may fluctuate with the balancing of the energy centers. I think there are many factors at play. But, in my view, being an Adept is something beyond the typical idea of Adepthood most people have (not necessarily people here at B4).
I especially like the bolded above. This concept, intellectually, would appear easy to understand. In practice, intellectual understanding doesn't help a whole lot. It is the actual transformations that take place in the processing of catalyst and the balancing of the energy centers (more below on this) that create a state of being from which, though words don't articulate it, the paradox of being disassociated and united at once can exist as a singular experience—in my view.
You could not infringe upon my interpretation. I welcome all points of view.
Certainly an Adept (as described by Ra) has reached the point of choosing catalyst to utilize and is utilizing it effectively and consciously, as opposed to an individual who has not yet made The Choice and is reacting randomly to catalyst. A relevant quote:
Ra I think refers to the veil when talking about the moonlight. The Adept is more inclined to utilize the Catalyst of the Spirit, having reached the point of choosing catalyst to work with, as well as recognizing the spirit as a shuttle to intelligent infinity, yet still dealing with this veiled reality. There is a relationship between the disassociation experienced and recognizing all catalyst—happy or unhappy—to be useful in furthering a path.
And more simply, the conscious processing of catalyst can be done each day (or moment).
There is another movie from the 90s: Drop Dead Fred, which deals with this also.
To be an Adept, one would not be clinging to teachings, in my view. Individuals may see themselves as Adepts and could be in certain respects, but to get to the point of seeing all catalyst as useful and not "negative" and utilizing the spirit as a shuttle to intelligent infinity suggests a transformation that would have gone beyond clinging to specific ideas or teachings or any sort of dogma. It would suggest an open-mindedness to new information and an awareness of the larger view of reality that it may stream in, without the blocks of dogma.
This is, in my opinion, not what Ra was talking about regarding the sun and the moon(light). The moonlight, being only a reflection of the light of the sun, in my opinion, is a metaphor for the veil and the truth of existence being shielded from us. We may perceive here a mere reflection of it (the moonlight)—but at least that is something. This is what the Adept works toward—utilizing the moonlight until the bright light (illumination) of the sun is revealed (to varying degrees, and with stumbling blocks along the way as depicted in the Experience of the Spirit).
I'm not sure whether you are addressing me specifically or if you are just speaking generally. If you mean me, don't worry, I have no beliefs. If you speak generally, I would say that I agree that knowledge evolves, which is why it is important to be open to new information (whatever that constitutes).
"Dropping everything behind" may be a goal, but in my view it is a natural occurrence in the process rather than a desire for an outcome. Ra mentions this but I am not sure where the quote is—something about things naturally falling away.
This is my current take on the subject. Letting go of the fear of death is not an intellectual understanding. Additionally, it goes way beyond even having a "knowing" that there is something beyond physical death. No matter how much we would like to ignore this fact, we have a physical existence here, we have physical bodies which come with millennia of instincts programmed in; so as the Adept is more in touch with intelligent infinity utilizing the spirit portion of the MBS complex, the more death becomes less of a concern due to the awareness of and utilization of the spirit portion, which by nature in 3rd density and the veil is out of balance with mind and body.
I am going to try and suss out a response to this.
Firstly, I think you may be referring to what I call "personal power." This is to be distinguished from Adepthood, though there is some overlap.
A woman such as you describe, as being confident and "owning it" is personal power. This overlaps with Adepthood as it signifies a minimal balance in the lower energy centers of red, orange, and yellow, but not the blue and green (in my opinion). For reference:
It is true that women have traditionally been judged through the lens of beauty, which derives from instincts hard-wired in the brain with millennia of conditioning related to survival of the species, and evolved in modern times into the social constructs of which you speak.
Part of the concept of disassociation of the Adept discussed above in this post, is in the Adept being disassociated with the husks (the social constructs for instance) and connecting with the true nature of other-selves. An Adept in my opinion would be beyond caring about the judgments others, as the focus would be on the self and the path. In speaking about the "jealousy," this is part of the maelstrom of which Ra speaks. And this is where the green ray arises as relevant (compassion for those who experience such suffering); and the indigo ray (having the awareness to recognize, and wisdom to discern, the constructs, and additionally to move past them as not useful or relevant in connecting to intelligent infinity).
I would like to emphasize, that compassion be the guiding force for this unbalanced social construct. It may arise naturally with progress toward unity, but even so, a certain balancing can take place in my opinion between the "confident" women and the women who are insecure—to put it in simplified terms. I encourage all women to first, forgive men (and women) for responding to the hard-wired instincts and social conditioning; and try to see all women as sisters in this, and to close the separation between the strata within the construct. To be yourself, whether that is donning the attire of sexy, beautiful, or whatever, and seeing this as an expression of a unique self rather than something that has societal power though this may be the case.
(06-01-2022, 07:39 AM)J.W. Wrote: @ Diana
Quote:80.10 Questioner: Now, the fifteenth archetype, which is the Matrix of the Spirit, has been called the Devil. Can you tell me why that is so?
Ra: I am Ra. We do not wish to be facile in such a central query, but we may note that the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle that the fructifying influence of light upon the great darkness of the spirit is very often not as apparent as the darkness itself. The progress chosen by many adepts becomes a confused path as each adept attempts to use the Catalyst of the Spirit. Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery. Therefore, the melody, shall we say, of this matrix often seems to be of a negative and evil, as you would call it, nature.
It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not.
I like that quote from Ra. To give more context:
Quote:80.11 Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the possible partial polarization towards service to self because simply the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind or like in the particular density which he inhabits?
Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.
80.12 Questioner: Then you say that this effect of disassociation on the service-to-others adept is a stumbling block or slowing process in reaching that goal which he aspires to? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. This disassociation from the miasma of illusion and misrepresentation of each and every distortion is a quite necessary portion of an adept’s path. It may be seen by others to be unfortunate.
The paradox of balancing—or maintaining the balance of—disassociation and unity, may sound simple, but I do not find it so. It is in my experience a matter of state of being rather than comprehending the ideas, which may fluctuate with the balancing of the energy centers. I think there are many factors at play. But, in my view, being an Adept is something beyond the typical idea of Adepthood most people have (not necessarily people here at B4).
I especially like the bolded above. This concept, intellectually, would appear easy to understand. In practice, intellectual understanding doesn't help a whole lot. It is the actual transformations that take place in the processing of catalyst and the balancing of the energy centers (more below on this) that create a state of being from which, though words don't articulate it, the paradox of being disassociated and united at once can exist as a singular experience—in my view.
(06-01-2022, 07:39 AM)J.W. Wrote: I don't want to infringe too much on your own interpretation of this transcript, but I do feel it could possibly be useful, so I will comment on it in connection with the previous post.
You could not infringe upon my interpretation. I welcome all points of view.
(06-01-2022, 07:39 AM)J.W. Wrote: This was answered in 3 parts, and with 3 different topics.
The 1st one is about the type of Catalysts an adept uses to further itself. Whether it is through meditation, dreams, or by other means.
Certainly an Adept (as described by Ra) has reached the point of choosing catalyst to utilize and is utilizing it effectively and consciously, as opposed to an individual who has not yet made The Choice and is reacting randomly to catalyst. A relevant quote:
Quote:80.15
Ra: I am Ra. ...
The adept, whether positive or negative, has the same Matrix. The Potentiator is also identical. Due to the Catalyst of each adept the adept may begin to pick and choose that into which it shall look further. The Experience of the Spirit, that which you have called the Moon, is then, by far, the more manifest of influences upon the polarity of the adept. Even the most unhappy of experiences, shall we say, which seem to occur in the Catalyst of the adept, seen from the viewpoint of the spirit, may, with the discrimination possible in shadow, be worked with until light equaling the light of brightest noon descends upon the adept and positive or service-to-others illumination has occurred. The service-to-self adept will satisfy itself with the shadows and, grasping the light of day, will toss back the head in grim laughter, preferring the darkness.
(06-01-2022, 07:39 AM)J.W. Wrote: 2nd is the "moonlight." Ra leaned towards a more "negative" viewpoint in the transcript, but the true nature is that "all-truths are half-truths"
Ra does recognizes the power of the moonlight can reveal hidden mystery, thus it stills "illuminate." Even with just a "reflection" of the Sun, it is still a "balance" in all "lights," nothing is "absolute."
Ra I think refers to the veil when talking about the moonlight. The Adept is more inclined to utilize the Catalyst of the Spirit, having reached the point of choosing catalyst to work with, as well as recognizing the spirit as a shuttle to intelligent infinity, yet still dealing with this veiled reality. There is a relationship between the disassociation experienced and recognizing all catalyst—happy or unhappy—to be useful in furthering a path.
(06-01-2022, 07:39 AM)J.W. Wrote: Naturally, when you are at the level to utilizes spiritual-catalysts, this involves "crossing over" to the "ethereal," (deep meditation in isolation chamber, or lucid dreaming are a few methods one can use)
And more simply, the conscious processing of catalyst can be done each day (or moment).
(06-01-2022, 07:39 AM)J.W. Wrote: Imagine telling someone that you worked out your childhood traumas in your dreams. Oh! speaking of which! I know a movie that fits this perfectly!
Check it out if you feel so inclined, it's not a bad movie, very "symbolic" in my opinion.
There is another movie from the 90s: Drop Dead Fred, which deals with this also.
(06-01-2022, 07:39 AM)J.W. Wrote: So, if you cling onto some "form" of "teachings," and uses them to synthesize spiritual catalysts, one may "misinterpret" them and fall into the deception of the "moonlight." Most adepts fall short in this similar fashion because they hold on for dear life what they "learned." You have to let go, and "experience" the all. This is difficult for another-self to explain, and isn't meant to be, you have to see it first-hand.
To be an Adept, one would not be clinging to teachings, in my view. Individuals may see themselves as Adepts and could be in certain respects, but to get to the point of seeing all catalyst as useful and not "negative" and utilizing the spirit as a shuttle to intelligent infinity suggests a transformation that would have gone beyond clinging to specific ideas or teachings or any sort of dogma. It would suggest an open-mindedness to new information and an awareness of the larger view of reality that it may stream in, without the blocks of dogma.
(06-01-2022, 07:39 AM)J.W. Wrote: Following the Sun is great too, but it's not completely "balanced," as there are things that only the moonlight can reveal.
Often times, using only the Sun is similar to following an extremely strict diet, or living a monastic life-style as a monk.
This is, in my opinion, not what Ra was talking about regarding the sun and the moon(light). The moonlight, being only a reflection of the light of the sun, in my opinion, is a metaphor for the veil and the truth of existence being shielded from us. We may perceive here a mere reflection of it (the moonlight)—but at least that is something. This is what the Adept works toward—utilizing the moonlight until the bright light (illumination) of the sun is revealed (to varying degrees, and with stumbling blocks along the way as depicted in the Experience of the Spirit).
(06-01-2022, 07:39 AM)J.W. Wrote: For you, who treasures their own independent and freedom, and aren't too keen with religions, this path may be a bit too "rigid" if you know what I mean,
The antidote to this misstep or "deception" is simply detaching from "knowledges, and identities" this ties into the "training wheels" metaphor I used with the in earlier post.
If you can just simply detach the wheels, you won't fall into the "deception."
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I can't stress enough that "to walk through the door, you really have to drop everything behind, or you won't fit." Like.. seriously EH-VREE-THANG
I'm not sure whether you are addressing me specifically or if you are just speaking generally. If you mean me, don't worry, I have no beliefs. If you speak generally, I would say that I agree that knowledge evolves, which is why it is important to be open to new information (whatever that constitutes).
"Dropping everything behind" may be a goal, but in my view it is a natural occurrence in the process rather than a desire for an outcome. Ra mentions this but I am not sure where the quote is—something about things naturally falling away.
(06-01-2022, 07:39 AM)J.W. Wrote: ...
and one of the highest detachment is to let go of the fear of death,
Ever had dreams of you dying? did you wake up sweating? heart pounding?
Imagine that you wake up smiling instead, to see "death" as beautiful, and a transformation instead,
This is my current take on the subject. Letting go of the fear of death is not an intellectual understanding. Additionally, it goes way beyond even having a "knowing" that there is something beyond physical death. No matter how much we would like to ignore this fact, we have a physical existence here, we have physical bodies which come with millennia of instincts programmed in; so as the Adept is more in touch with intelligent infinity utilizing the spirit portion of the MBS complex, the more death becomes less of a concern due to the awareness of and utilization of the spirit portion, which by nature in 3rd density and the veil is out of balance with mind and body.
(06-01-2022, 07:39 AM)J.W. Wrote: This leading into the 3rd topic,
The biggest constraint coming from those who aren't "free" will see this as "dark" or "morbid."
They will say things like "omg, that's crazy, she had dreams of her dying and she wakes up smiling about it?"
or "she paints her nails black! wear a thong, and showing way too much skins!" or "What is up with that music? slipknot? like the thing they used to hang people with? is she a Satanist?"
well, actually, the negative comments about clothing could just be jealousy from women who are insecure. Nonetheless, they are still "constraints."
I strongly believe that being a woman gives you a "leg-up" at becoming an adept, since there is a built-in catalyst for women to totally "owns-it!" with their beauty, and be confident.
Any women understands that growing up in this world, we are judged heavily by our "outside," almost all young girls are "compared" when it comes to their own definition of "beauty."
Women are naturally more insecure due to this, and when this catalyst is overcome, lol.. my my, the jealousy, and attention you get.
I am going to try and suss out a response to this.
Firstly, I think you may be referring to what I call "personal power." This is to be distinguished from Adepthood, though there is some overlap.
A woman such as you describe, as being confident and "owning it" is personal power. This overlaps with Adepthood as it signifies a minimal balance in the lower energy centers of red, orange, and yellow, but not the blue and green (in my opinion). For reference:
Quote:Ra: I am Ra. ...The seeker becomes the adept when it has balanced with minimal adequacy the energy centers red, orange, yellow, and blue with the addition of the green for the positive, thus moving into indigo work.
It is true that women have traditionally been judged through the lens of beauty, which derives from instincts hard-wired in the brain with millennia of conditioning related to survival of the species, and evolved in modern times into the social constructs of which you speak.
Part of the concept of disassociation of the Adept discussed above in this post, is in the Adept being disassociated with the husks (the social constructs for instance) and connecting with the true nature of other-selves. An Adept in my opinion would be beyond caring about the judgments others, as the focus would be on the self and the path. In speaking about the "jealousy," this is part of the maelstrom of which Ra speaks. And this is where the green ray arises as relevant (compassion for those who experience such suffering); and the indigo ray (having the awareness to recognize, and wisdom to discern, the constructs, and additionally to move past them as not useful or relevant in connecting to intelligent infinity).
I would like to emphasize, that compassion be the guiding force for this unbalanced social construct. It may arise naturally with progress toward unity, but even so, a certain balancing can take place in my opinion between the "confident" women and the women who are insecure—to put it in simplified terms. I encourage all women to first, forgive men (and women) for responding to the hard-wired instincts and social conditioning; and try to see all women as sisters in this, and to close the separation between the strata within the construct. To be yourself, whether that is donning the attire of sexy, beautiful, or whatever, and seeing this as an expression of a unique self rather than something that has societal power though this may be the case.