Densities and Dimensions

[Boson]

Hi,

I have waded through the channeled material in order to find out the basic principles on each density (at times also referred to as dimension). Let me first share the summary I put together with some gaps of information:

1st density - cycle of Awareness. Lesson to learn: Growth (air, water,earth, fire)

2nd density - cycle of Growth. Lesson to learn: Self-awareness (plants and animals)
3rd density - cycle of Self-awareness. Lesson to learn: Love (humans)
4th density - cycle of Love. Lesson to learn: Light and Wisdom
5th density - cycle of Light and Wisdom. Lesson to learn:  light/love, love/light, or Unity
6th density - cycle of Unity, the "gateway cycle". Lesson to learn: ???  (Higher Self is here)
7th density - "one with all"

There are a few things that I would be very happy to understand better. And if anyone can educate me I would appreciated very much. My questions are:

1. I was not able to find what the lesson to learn is in 6th dimension.
2. What also confuses me is how the mathematical dimensions in the universe (12 perhaps) fits into these levels of densities.
3. When we talk about Heaven would that be same as 4th dimension?
4. Are there humans (or more precise souls) living here on earth of higher dimensions than 3rd?

Thanks,

Boson

 

[AnthroHeart]

Unity is actually a lesson of 6th density.

[Jim Kent +]

Hi,

I have waded through the channeled material in order to find out the basic principles on each density (at times also referred to as dimension). Let me first share the summary I put together with some gaps of information:

1st density - cycle of Awareness. Lesson to learn: Growth (air, water,earth, fire)

2nd density - cycle of Growth. Lesson to learn: Self-awareness (plants and animals)
3rd density - cycle of Self-awareness. Lesson to learn: Love (humans)
4th density - cycle of Love. Lesson to learn: Light and Wisdom
5th density - cycle of Light and Wisdom. Lesson to learn:  light/love, love/light, or Unity
6th density - cycle of Unity, the "gateway cycle". Lesson to learn: ???  (Higher Self is here)
7th density - "one with all"

There are a few things that I would be very happy to understand better. And if anyone can educate me I would appreciated very much. My questions are:

1. I was not able to find what the lesson to learn is in 6th dimension.
2. What also confuses me is how the mathematical dimensions in the universe (12 perhaps) fits into these levels of densities.
3. When we talk about Heaven would that be same as 4th dimension?
4. Are there humans (or more precise souls) living here on earth of higher dimensions than 3rd?

Thanks,

Boson

Hi Boson, 

It is my understanding that the labels Ra attaches to the Densities are ( and I'm paraphrasing somewhat ):

3rd Density: The Density of Choice - Either STO or STS
4th Density: The Density of Love or Understanding
5th Density: The Density of Wisdom
6th Density: The Density of Unity ( Where Love and Wisdom are balanced ) 
7th Density: The Gateway Density ( the last density of this Creation )

8th Density: The first Density of the Next creation

Regarding your other questions:

1: As mentioned above, 6th Density is where the balance between Love and Wisdom is perfected.
2: It may not prove helpful for you to attempt to force 3rd Density Human theoretical-physics' concepts with those that come through channeled material. 
3: I've thought of "Heaven" as being any STO existence beyond 3rd. Although again, mixing Abrahamic concepts with ET channeled material may also prove unhelpful. Note how The Confederation always talk of "The Creator" and not "God".
4: According to Ra, in the early 80's, there were about 65 million Wanderers ( Souls from 4th / 5th / 6th Density ) that have incarnated as 3rd Density Human beings to attempt to aid Humanity at this time of Harvest.

I hope that this helps!

L & L

Jim

[Infinite Unity]

Hi,

I have waded through the channeled material in order to find out the basic principles on each density (at times also referred to as dimension). Let me first share the summary I put together with some gaps of information:

1st density - cycle of Awareness. Lesson to learn: Growth (air, water,earth, fire)

2nd density - cycle of Growth. Lesson to learn: Self-awareness (plants and animals)
3rd density - cycle of Self-awareness. Lesson to learn: Love (humans)
4th density - cycle of Love. Lesson to learn: Light and Wisdom
5th density - cycle of Light and Wisdom. Lesson to learn:  light/love, love/light, or Unity
6th density - cycle of Unity, the "gateway cycle". Lesson to learn: ???  (Higher Self is here)
7th density - "one with all"

There are a few things that I would be very happy to understand better. And if anyone can educate me I would appreciated very much. My questions are:

1. I was not able to find what the lesson to learn is in 6th dimension.
2. What also confuses me is how the mathematical dimensions in the universe (12 perhaps) fits into these levels of densities.
3. When we talk about Heaven would that be same as 4th dimension?
4. Are there humans (or more precise souls) living here on earth of higher dimensions than 3rd?

Thanks,

Boson

 

1.) 4th-Law of Love
5th-Law of Light (wisdom)
6th-Law of One (Unity)
7th-Law of Foreverness
2.) There are 7 energy centers, and there are 7 planes with the 8th being Infinite Intelligence. These 7's have sub strata that go on in 7's indefinitely. So Red contains all the energy centers in its sub-densities. Orange contains them all and so on. 1-7 with 8 being the 1st density of the next, and so on indefinitely. Its an octave where the 1st is the 8th of the last octave.
3.)Some say you could place it as such, or that it is congruent. However most descriptions of heaven, seem sensual pleasure based comfort environments. 4th density is far different from 3rd, however it is not a perfect heaven. So to me, they are not congruent with the mainstream term "heaven". Now from a Biblical, or other holy reference, It is quiet possible they were vaguely talking of the next plain.
4.) Wanders would fit your description of "higher" entities here on Earth, so yes. However it important to understand there not higher, or better, but have come in the function of service, and humility.

[Louisabell]

Just thought I'd add what I took from the material. In 5th density you spend time contemplating/manipulating the light. You have the ability to manifest things from light. In 6th you engage in subtle balancing of love and light. I assume once the balancing is done you graduate to 7th.

[AnthroHeart]

Just thought I'd add what I took from the material. In 5th density you spend time contemplating/manipulating the light. You have the ability to manifest things from light. In 6th you engage in subtle balancing of love and light. I assume once the balancing is done you graduate to 7th.

I don't know if the balancing is ever done. Ra says there are infinitely subtle balancing of love and light.

[Louisabell]

I don't know if the balancing is ever done. Ra says there are infinitely subtle balancing of love and light.

Interesting. I would say then that the finalising of balancing love and light would only be a subjective one, from the internal point of view of the entity or social memory complex. But catalyst never ceases, therefore even if you reach a point of subjective balance, there will always be stimuli that throws you off balance (in infinitely more subtle ways), and you have a forever to discover those.

Thanks for the suggestion.

[Boson]

Thanks everyone for the answers. I understand a little better now and I see that I was even wrong on some details. I mentioned Heaven with the reference in mind as a place where souls go in between physical incarnations, without any religious connotation. I wouldn't think that this time-space wherever that is would contain higher level souls (of density of 5+) because as such you would not return to Earth's physical plane unless by choice.

[moyal]

[...]But let us get to the topic at hand, shall we? Let us begin with a very important bit of groundwork:

The ideas I am going to present to you are all convenient fictions. That is to say they are one way to describe and make sense of your reality. They will have a great degree of validity but, equally, there might be other ways to understand your reality that might be equally valid to you. So enjoy the concepts and use them as you might need to but don’t get too attached to them. Remember this: these are DESCRIPTIONS of your reality. They are not your reality itself. And the reality they are describing is an illusory one anyway so there really is no point in getting too rigid about any of this.

Z: I’m not sure I understand, 8. Do you mean there aren’t really densities and dimensions?

8: Let’s use a well-favoured metaphor as an example:

If you look at a rainbow – how many colours do you see?

Z: I think there are seven colours. As a child I was taught it goes: red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet.

8: Alright. But what if I have very good eyes and great colour perception and, in addition to those seven colours I can also discern crimson, peach, lime-green, teal and purple.

Can you agree it is possible that I might insist there are actually 12 colours?

Z: Yes, of course. Because in reality there are an infinite number of different colours, aren’t there?

8: Yes, there are.

Unless, of course, there aren’t. From another perspective it is only white light that has been refracted in water droplets.

Z: Ah. So in reality there is only the one colour – white light.

8: Yes. Technically white light isn’t a colour. It is that which includes all colours. But nit-picking aside, you are correct.

If, however, you were to stand looking at a rainbow and say, “my goodness how beautiful the white light and water spray is!” you would get you some pretty odd looks. Because white light is not what you are perceiving. It does not describe your experience. You see colours. Then you describe it as seven colours. But that is just a fiction that you are inventing to conveniently describe your perception of your reality. It is not your reality itself which is something quite different.

But what REALLY is your reality?

Z: White light and water-spray, right?

8: Yes.

Unless it isn’t. From another perspective it is an interplay of creator-beings co-creating a dance of pure energy. Everything is energy. The light is energy knit into parcels that have been called photons and those photons are bouncing off the water. The water is also that same energy but this time it is knit into sub-atomic particles that are dancing together in a tight little dance as atoms of hydrogen and oxygen, which are clinging together as water molecules, which are clinging together as little droplets. But you see the light and the water is all just energy. And that energy is created in the mind of a being of great consciousness and shaped and manipulated in other great minds.

Z: So it’s energy.

8: Yes.

Z: Unless it isn’t?

8: You got it. There is another perspective in which it is all just consciousness. It is all The One creating a multiplicity of points from which to experience Itself in new and different ways. That is, ultimately, what everything is. And you, taking a moment to marvel at the rainbow, are really a moment of The One putting on a show for Itself.

You are the viewer and you are the mirror by which you are observing yourself. And once you have awoken to the reality of the situation you will come to see that you are also that which you are viewing. You’re the rainbow too.

You, the world you are standing in and the rainbow are all The One experiencing Itself, observing Itself, creating Itself and loving Itself. And it is ultimately impossible to separate you from the body you inhabit, the planet you are standing upon and the rainbow you are observing because, indeed you are not a passive observer as you might think you are… you are creating all that you see. It does not happen outside of you for there is indeed no “outside”. It is all happening inside your god-like creator mind.

Z: That is SO beautiful! Thank you, 8.

But… what about the fact that this is not what I feel like I am experiencing. I mean… honestly… to me it is a rainbow in the sky. I don’t FEEL like I had any hand in making it.

8: Yes. This is true. You have worked very hard to create for yourself this powerful illusion. It is meant to delight you no end that these wondrous and beautiful things occur in your world without you needing to pre-meditate them. Your world is a paradise-wonderland of pure delight. Or it should be but for the fact of the way the game is being played at the moment. But the old way is coming to an end soon and then it will be as it was meant to be. It will be a paradise for those that are willing to remain here for that.

But your question remains valid. When you look at a rainbow, it does not appear to you as if you are The One creating all this for yourself. It does not appear to you that you are observing an interplay in consciousness. It does not appear to you as if you are observing energy or even white light and droplets. It appears to you as if there is an arc in the sky made up of a range of colours. But which of these descriptions are TRUE?

Z: They all are?

8: Indeed they are! There are always layers and layers and layers of truth to everything in your reality. Depending on how you are asking the question, who you ask the question of and the level of consciousness you are able to bring to the answer, you will get a different answer to the same question. You see, there is no one true description for how your realty works that will be true from every perspective.

If you observe what occurs in science then you will discover this to be true. Science attempts to find definitive answers and explanations for the phenomena of your reality. And the reason science is as successful as it is in describing your reality is that the scientific method is predicated upon an understanding that there ARE no absolute truths. Good science recognises that there are no scientific facts. Instead there are only scientific theories which can be tested experimentally. If the experiment confirms the theory then the theory is accepted. It is still just a theory, but an accepted one because it is understood that in due course a different experiment conducted in a different way may very well disprove the theory and then it will have to be replaced by a new one that better explains that which you observe in your environment. That is the way science should operate if it were functioning in a healthy way. Twisting things with egos getting too attached to particular theories and behaving as if they are facts or, worse, heavily funding experiments that prove a particular theory and denying all funding to experiments that might counter that theory debases science. It ceases to be a tool of discovery and becomes instead a tool of manipulation, power and control. Alas what passes for science in your current planetary culture is more of latter than the former.

But that is actually peripheral to the discussion at hand. What I wish you to understand at this juncture is that the insights you will gain from this chapter are a description of your greater reality as given from my perspective. This is how it looks from where I stand. But it is not possible for me to describe your reality in such a way that it cannot be described equally accurately in another. Some will read what I have to say and will conclude that I am wrong because I describe a rainbow of seven colours plus pure white light being the 8th. They will get in a huff and say there should be three colours… or ten… or whatever other number they are attached to. But what I wish you to see is that this is trivial. It is of no meaning whatsoever how many colours you see. This is a function of your own perceptions and it is really quite unimportant how many colours or I are describing. What is important is what lies beyond that: what is the true nature of the reality that gives you the very temporary illusion of experiencing these colours.

Z: Yes, I see. It is about the deeper truths not the surface things which, anyway are a function of our own individual perspectives. But then what is the point of even discussing the surface things… why talk about densities and dimensions at all if we might each have a different experience of them?

8: What’s the point of a map?

If you haven’t been to a place before and you don’t know what you will find there but you wish to navigate that area then you can do with a clear and accurate description from someone that HAS been there. Then you can make your own way through that territory with far greater ease.

But the map isn’t the territory. It doesn’t look anything like the territory itself. Its just colours and lines on a small piece of paper. There is nothing on it which is at all like roads, rivers, mountains and trees. It doesn’t show smells or sunrises. It doesn’t show friendly people or angry dogs. Or sleeping in a tent on hard ground or new insights gained walking a long and quiet road… or anything else that you might experience on the journey.

From many perspectives the map might be considered useless. It is only if you are willing to open yourself to the symbolism of the map and understand that it is merely a description of certain very limited attributes of the land given from a particular perspective that it might become very useful to you. Under those circumstances you might find it to be absolutely invaluable. And once you have successfully traversed that terrain, is it possible that you might decide you can draw a different map? A better map? A map that uses different conventions? Maybe you can make a 3D map? Or a map that, somehow, shows smells and feelings? Is that possible? Of course it is! But you would not then come to the conclusion that the first map never was of any use to you. It is the one that allowed you to travel the terrain in the first place so that you could create your new map of it from your perspective.

And that is one great reason for this conversation: to describe your reality to you from one perspective to assist you in discovering it yourself from your own perspective. If you then describe it differently from what I have this does not invalidate my description… it adds to it.

Z: Okay that works for me. What’s the other reason?

8: (He laughs) You tell me… You wanted to have this conversation! Why did you?

Z: Because I am curious and I’d love to know. Its fun, I guess.

8: That is the best reason of all. Love and joy mixed with curiosity. Sounds like a party!

Shall we get going then?

Z: Yes, please. Lets.

8: Okay, then we’ll start with these often poorly understood concepts: densities and dimensions. These two terms are quite regularly confused with each other or even used interchangeably in spiritual and metaphysical literature. You have made this error yourself in receiving Book 1 – but we have let this small issue go by as we needed to keep the information flowing. But now it is time to set the record straight and to obtain some clarity on this subject.

The first thing to understand is that, as with the rainbow described above, there is no fixed number of densities or dimensions. It is very likely indeed that you will experience a series of gradations but, just like the rainbow, you can decide for yourself exactly how many gradations there are. You can make almost any number fit if you try. This is true of both the densities and the dimensions. You, as a human being with ten fingers and ten toes are almost pre-programmed to think in base-ten. Your decimal system is all base ten and so is all the mathematics you might normally do. So you might like to think that there are 10 densities and 10 dimensions. But there are other perspectives. Before your current civilisation’s earliest recorded history in the Sumerian times, earth-humans had a great deal of interaction with beings that used base-12 mathematics. These beings were, for better or worse, quite happy to have earth-humans regard them as gods and goddesses. And so it was that all “holy” matters were calculated in base-12.

Z: Sorry, 8, but isn’t the base-12 thing because the moon makes 12 revolutions in a year. That’s not something you can really make a choice about, is it? So isn’t THAT why the ancients decided 12 was a “holy” number.

8: You ARE sharp today. That is a great observation. But what you fail to comprehend is that the moon is not arbitrarily where it is by some cosmic mistake. The distance from the earth and the speed of rotation and many other attributes of the moon were all very carefully and very intentionally engineered to create a desired environment on Earth. Before your current history there have been many civilisations either living on earth or interacting with those that did. Some of them had capacity to impact their environment in ways that you would even now find quite god-like.

The moon is not a happy accident. It is a very precisely placed and engineered item.

Z: Well… I am stunned…

8: Good. It suits you. (he smiles) You’ll find many more such interesting revelations when you begin talking to Adamu in a couple of chapters. But lets stay with the topic shall we. I am contending that the 12 months of the year are not an accident. They are intentional. They result from an ancient race who counted in base 12 placing the moon exactly where it is. The moons placement has been absolutely essential to the regulation of all kinds of conditions on your planet that were deemed desirable by the Seeders of Life on planet Earth. But whether you are inclined to believe that or not you will certainly note that there is a preponderance of 12s in all kinds of things that come to you from antiquity. 12 months in a year, 12 hours in a day, 12 signs in the zodiac and so on. There are correspondingly 12 notes (if you include the half-tones) in a musical octave too. There are also echoes of ancient wisdom that reverberate in your collective consciousness that would indicate 12 densities and 12 dimensions.

And none of this is wrong. If you want it to be 10 – it can be. If you want it to be 12 – it can be. How ever you describe it, it is, after all, nothing more than a map which may be of use in navigating and understanding the greater reality in which you dwell.

Z: So then how many densities and dimensions do YOU think there are, 8? What number works for you?

8: (a long quizzical pause) …

Z: Oh. (laughs) Sorry. Of course. You’d say there are eight densities and eight dimensions! I should have guessed.

8: (smiles) Yes. We have not agreed on this number being my name for nothing. When we chose this name for me it had many layers of meaning. One of the deeper layers was that, when all is deeply considered, eight is the number of completion, perfection and wholeness. From my perspective this is so. Others might hold another perspective. They are not wrong. But for me – there are eight densities and eight dimensions in this whole greater reality. So that is the first thing to understand: I am going to talk in terms of eights but that does not invalidate other ideas elsewhere that speak in different numbers.

The second thing to understand about dimensions and densities is that these are not the same thing at all.

Dimensions are a means to articulate what you observe in your physical reality. They are discovered with measurements such as length and width. They are about your material, physical world and are able to be discussed and expressed using mathematics. They are in the realm of science and physicists are beginning to grapple with them in such areas of enquiry as quantum mechanics and string theory.

Densities, on the other hand, are spiritual. They are not of your normal physical world. They cannot be observed with your eyes or measured with scientific apparatus. They are experienced in your heart and in your being. YOU can see the effects in your life of traversing densities but you will not be able to show this to another being unless they also traverse the same densities with you. It is more about who you believe yourself to be and what you are willing to create for yourself.

So the densities are observed within you while the dimensions appear to be outside of you. And so it is very important to understand both if you wish to understand your whole experience.

Z: Very interesting. But what ARE they. And why do people sometimes talk about them as if they are the same thing?

8: These two things get confused because your current world exists both at the 3rd density and the 3rd dimension. I will now give you a fairly detailed description of what the dimensions are… but not as they are currently understood by your scientists. The current scientific model is very slightly flawed but will very soon improve. The flaw is that scientists generally believe that the basis of your universe is energy and that all material is constructed of this. Their postulates and models work from this assumption. And they aren’t far wrong. It is beginning to dawn, however, on some scientists that CONSCIOUSNESS is the basis of the universe. Consciousness is what everything is made of. The energy that you are able to work with and perceive is created by, from and within consciousness. Coming to this realisation and finding a way to integrate it into physics will change everything. It will precipitate a massive leap forward in your ability to comprehend your reality and that will allow you to construct fantastic new technologies. Finally your physics will allow you to transcend the light-speed barrier, for example. It will allow you to traverse time and space in a wink. It will allow you to work with matter and energy in ways that you would now call miracles and magic. So important is this discovery that, in due course it will come to be that the age that is now dawning will be called “the age of consciousness”.

You are living at the dawn of the age of consciousness!

Of course there is resistance to this change. The scientists that are working from this perspective are on the fringe and are considered somewhat heretical by their peers. Most of science still remains rigidly materialistic and still clings to the idea that “mind” and “consciousness” are effects of brain function. But this is clearly erroneous as there is a great deal of evidence available to you that “mind” survives the termination of brain functioning. And that is by far not the only evidence of the pre-eminence of consciousness. There is, for example, scientific evidence to show that all reactions at the smallest scale need an observer to occur. Without an observer these reactions remain in potential. Now, if an observer is needed, who, I ask of you, would observe reactions in the deepest of space? Who observed the first reactions of the Big Bang? And what brain was there to produce the consciousness that did all this observing everywhere? It is simply not tenable. Brains are the tools of consciousness, not the source of the consciousness!

But, of course, it is possibly to cling to a view tenaciously if you are determined to do so. Especially if “the establishment” is behind you. So the “normal” scientific view does not yet reflect this new reality. In discussing the dimensions with you I am going to speak from the perspective of the pre-eminence of consciousness and so my version of what the dimensions are will be a little different from the current scientific view. I will try to talk about this very complex subject in a way that is easy to comprehend. To do so I will start with the very familiar and work outwards from there. [...]

-> https://zingdad.com/publications/books/t...e-and-time

[Kcmconst@gmail.com]

I don't know if the balancing is ever done. Ra says there are infinitely subtle balancing of love and light.

Interesting. I would say then that the finalising of balancing love and light would only be a subjective one, from the internal point of view of the entity or social memory complex. But catalyst never ceases, therefore even if you reach a point of subjective balance, there will always be stimuli that throws you off balance (in infinitely more subtle ways), and you have a forever to discover those.

Thanks for the suggestion.

I just had a thought occur to me regarding free will and balancing. If throwing us off our balance becomes ever so subtle, wouldn't that eventually remove our free will from us? Do we all end up as the exact same being in the end? It seems so. And does that one being have free will? I would guess not, because the first "distortion" is free will. To be complete and undistorted would require that we be exactly pure, thus completely predictable.

[godwide_void]

To clarify the distinctions between the 7th density & 8th density, the 7th density renders the absorption into meta-identity via shedding semblance of personal individuated identity whereas the 8th density is the domain of the One Infinite Creator as singular totality, total singularity.

[AnthroHeart]

Are there any responsibilities in 7th density?

[Infinite]

1. I was not able to find what the lesson to learn is in 6th dimension.

As the others replied, the lesson of sixth-density is balancement between love and light to reach the unity.

2. What also confuses me is how the mathematical dimensions in the universe (12 perhaps) fits into these levels of densities.

There is a subtle difference between density and dimension (although the terms are interchangeable). Density means vibratory frequence while dimension means a localization. But I will try explain.

You need imagine the concept of octaves. There are seven octaves of densities (first to seventh density). Within each octave or density there are seven sub-octaves. Within each sub-octave seven sub-sub-octave and so infinitely.

Our octave (third density) has 7 sub-densities divided in outer planes and inner plans or space/time and time/space. The space-time has 7 sub-frequencies which are the 7 levels of consciousness of the mind/body/spirit complexs. The time/space has 7 levels (that are which we calls "the others dimensions"). The inner planes have levels to each density level. I relate these levels with the densities, but when we talk about "dimension" we need to consider the space/time and time/space portions of the third-density:

third-dimension = physical plane
fourth-dimension = astral plane
fifth-dimension = mental or devachanic plane
sixth-dimension = causal or etheric* plane
seventh-dimension = buddhic plane

*Ra's terminology

But, these are only the "degrees" of vibration. The dimensions are infinity because there are infinite frequencies between each level and each sub-level...

About 12 dimensions read this channeling by Q'uo: http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._1218.aspx

3. When we talk about Heaven would that be same as 4th dimension?

The answer depends exclusively of the source from where the term came. But, generally the "heaven" is the higher astral plane (green-ray sub-density of Earth).

4. Are there humans (or more precise souls) living here on earth of higher dimensions than 3rd?

What did you mean by "living"? Incarnation? Yes, the Wanderers and the walk-ins.

[unity100]

Astral plane is time/space, which exists in all densities and is complementary to space/time, which is the physical reality.

Both space/time and time/space would be present in each given density, otherwise creation wouldnt work.