02-03-2018, 03:19 PM
(02-03-2018, 06:21 AM)Nía Wrote:(02-03-2018, 12:27 AM)Coordinate_Apotheosis Wrote: "Hi there, I don't eat animals, but see you do, nice to meet you! No pun intended, but seriously, hi."
"Oh yeah, I do wish you'd stop eating meat just to help alleviate suffering and for your longterm health but I accept your choices and hope you'll respect mine."
Just a thought that maybe something like the above coming from a carnivore or herbivore or omnivore would be more worthwhile than the herbivores calling the carnivores murderers and animal slaughterers and the carnivores calling the herbivores crazy for calling them murderers and animal slaughterers.
Just saying. All sides could use less judgment towards each other.
But isn't that the exact paradoxical situation we're in, here at the forum - that both are true? What Diana pointed to, I believe, is that people who haven't made the choice to be vegan feel like they are being accused, being called 'murderers' and 'animal slaughterers' without anyone having ever called them that, just by the nature of a vegan being present, or pointing out that animals have to be slaughtered in order to be eaten, and how this usually is being done. And then, this is a thread where the topic of animal consumption was for discussion, and in this context again, graphic images or descriptions of animal suffering create the same effect, without the one posting them necessarily intending to accuse someone, or to make someone feel guilty, but rather providing information and laying out their own point of view. Of course, in animal advocacy, the effect of non-vegans being awakened to the reality and effects of animal consumption is intended, and naturally, they would feel first shocked, then guilty after the realization of their participation in that practice, but I don't think that's the case here. Everyone has to make the choice for themselves, but to be able to make an informed choice, it is also necessary to be aware of the facts (metaphysically, we have to figure them out ourselves as there's obviously a lot of room for interpretation, and misinterpretation) of what animal consumption means and and causes for animals, humans and the planet, and to look at it without any initial defensiveness. Otherwise, it would not be an informed choice, but a choice for convenience, or plainly ignorance. (The same is true for every choice we make at every moment, particularly in regards to consumption where the effects of such choices might be well hidden.)
There is a series of images that have been circulated far and wide this week in the media. They didn't appeal to me, but maybe they explain why we vegans tend to get emotional when someone is talking about meat or 'the fruits of the Creator', while what see, and, more importantly, feel, is suffering, terror, torture, desperate cries of pain, ignored pleas for help, and denied will to live and self-actualization. We don't equalize 2D and 3D. We just know that animals are equally sentient, and feel pain and suffer at least equally, if not more, because they lack the possibility of consciously explaining pain and suffering, of actively reaching for aid and relief, and of doing inner work aiming at reaching equanimity with whatever arises, even pain. Just as a thought experiment, if anyone's interested.
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Edit: I've added the relevant quotes from Morris' past life regression into a 4D environment in my previous post in this thread, in case anyone wants to read them up.
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I recall right on this forum a particular person equating meat eaters to such things.
The very term 'meat eater' is a dehumanization tactic to provide the labeler peace of mind that the labeled are labeled such for a reason.
I can't say I know all the specifics or generals, I just know that I've seen and read enough stuff supposedly by aliens to realize that they aren't going to judge us for anything we do, and that using their words to fortify a personal opinion that basically says if you do this you are doing bad seems to be misusing their words.
I personally would ask you all, have you come to accept the presence and portion of creator that is being the pain and suffering of 2D lifeforms?
Have you accepted millions if not billions of plants are killed for their nutrients? Or that millions if not billions of animals are killed for their nutrients?
What was it that Ra said about the nature of wanting to change something versus accepting and loving it for it's being?
Can any of you say you've come to deeply appreciate the death and suffering that comes with it that we Human's have perpetuated to a new level of mass genocide?
No, but really. My point wasn't about superiority complexes or name calling, it was about how we act. Do you see Love when you look at a slaughterhouse? Do you feel love when someone judges you for the food you eat? Do you feel loving when you judge that on others?
We all have to accept the present manifestations if we're to have any true effect of change on them. You can't fight society one on one, you have to be a bigger person (like Jesus), and speak the truth in a way that doesn't piss everyone the hell off.
Otherwise you're just shooting yourself in the foot, or setting up your own crucifixion.
I like vegans myself, I extremely appreciate their choice to do what little part they can to help, they're trying, but I don't judge 'meat eaters' as meat eaters because I realize that until I accept with some modicum of compassion and love that the Creator has a purpose and a plan for all of this suffering to have a reason, that slaughterhouses will forever taint my mood with despair, that sex trafficking rings will forever impair my ability to love clearly the Creator and creation.
They exist for a reason, and whom are we to judge that as we try to change it? Shouldn't we be accepting it and providing better alternatives instead of just labeling others vegans and meat eaters?
Can anyone accept the deaths of these animals and find peace for your own sake to more clearly make motions of loving change, rather than critical change?
I have seen several people pretty much blast some absurb views of others for their simplest function of eating.
Where most of you seem greatly moved by slaughterhouses, I'm greatly moved my sex trafficking, maybe I draw a line between 2D and 3D and which is 'more important', but to me those animals are fueling a society, they have a purpose for being even if its horrific, but those kids aren't fueling anything but rich perverse pedophilic rapists' sexual desires to dominate innocence.
Yet they too have a reason for being supposedly.
So I am left with little left to say, to me this discussion is a dead horse being beaten, if you'll excuse that ironic figure of speech. We all know these things are bad but we keep using various methods of escape to cling to these issues, when if we took a spiritual approach, we're supposed to find compassion and acceptance, and let go of their hold on us.
Like, Jade, do you actually enjoy researching and better realizing the levels of horror that occur in slaughterhouses? Have those images and videos done anything to help you find love for that portion of creation? Haven't they hurt you? Isn't there someway to find acceptance for these things so that at the very least, you don't need to feel the suffering too and at the most, you see things from a point of love, and hopefully that reveals an untapped potential to provide more love?
What if the souls of those animals (and trafficked kids) choose those circumstances for a reason?
Or Diana, haven't you ever wondered if it's more practical to be detached towards these sorts of things to provide better opportunities of love?
I think the answer has been in front of us and we've debated it instead of discussing it. The Confederate and the Ra Material paint essentially the same answer in my mind.
When you see those things, feel love for the Creator. Send those souls love. Provide love.
We've taken all of that and twisted it into various things. The entire message behind the alien messages is Love Is the Answer.
Debates require someone conquer the other to prove a point, Love requires simply that we conquer ourself to prove a point.
I do not wish to needlessly suffer, and looking at animals being slaughtered and reading about the horrors of sex trafficking rings do not help me to love anything. I am deeply moved by those things but at the end of the day it is my own feelings of powerlessness to help them at all that hurts me the most.
I am conquered by many arguments here, I was conquered the moment I felt anger at how Monica's posts equated me to a murderer and torturer for eating my dinner.
I had to conquer myself to realize that I will always be angry at not only how animals and children are treated, but at the ludicrous accusations we sling at each other, our hurtful critical opinions of each other, and the insane judgments we make simply because we're unique and don't always see eye to eye.
I realized that the best course of action is the one with the least resistance. Love is that action.
Conquer yourself before you conquer me. I will continue to eat meat and peruse pornography, I am admittedly a bad person but I've come to accept that and am still seeking evermore the love to be found in such things to better myself.
I'm not the brightest star of love in the sky, but I give a mean twinkle.