Is Ra...

[Kaaron]

...the reptilian higher self?

[anagogy]

......No.

[Infinite Unity]

What makes you ask?z

[Jade]

I assume, based on Ra saying that our Logos is biased towards the ape form, that their form was similar.

90.12 Questioner: Was there a reason for choosing the forms that have evolved upon this planet and, if so, what was it?

Ra: I am Ra. We are not entirely sure why our Logos and several neighboring Logoi of approximately the same space/time of flowering chose the bipedal, erect form of the second-density apes to invest. It has been our supposition, which we share with you as long as you are aware that this is mere opinion, that our Logos was interested in, shall we say, further intensifying the veiling process by offering to the third-density form the near complete probability for the development of speech taking complete precedence over concept communication or telepathy. We also have the supposition that the so-called opposable thumb was looked upon as an excellent means of intensifying the veiling process so that rather than rediscovering the powers of the mind the third-density entity would, by the form of its physical manifestation, be drawn to the making, holding, and using of physical tools.

Ra also says that about 13-15% of third density forms are close enough to human that we would believe they were human, and 5% would be indistinguishable.

90.8 Questioner: I see. Very roughly, if you were to move a third-density entity from some other planet to this planet, roughly what percentage of all of those within the knowledge of Ra would look enough like those entities of Earth so that they would go unnoticed in a crowd?

Ra: I am Ra. Perhaps five percent.

....

90.10 Questioner: Well, within Ra’s knowledge of third-density physical forms, what percentage would be similar enough to this planet’s physical form that we would assume the entity to be human even though they were a bit different? This would have to be very rough because of my definition being very rough.

Ra: I am Ra. This percentage is still small; perhaps thirteen to fifteen percent due to the capabilities of various second-density life forms to carry out each necessary function for third-density work. Thusly to be observed would be behavior indicating self-consciousness and purposeful interaction with a sentient ambiance about the entity rather than those characteristics which familiarly connote to your peoples the humanity of your third-density form.

[Kaaron]

Sorry, Mods please move this to the appropriate forum.
<<<<Disclaimer>>>>
This is going to be dis-jointed and will probably annoy those of us who struggle with less organized, pretty much "as it comes back to me", rambling...oh well.
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Perhaps, I misspoke. Maybe I mean that Ra (along with higher 6D beings at higher self level) could be that aspect of the Orion Group that has found resolution, being added to constantly...and the STS path is in constant turnover, under the leaders of the Orion Group. So Ra is trying to heal themselves, essentially.
I got the impression that Don was representing the fifth density "friend" (subconsciously), or the Orion perspective...asking it's higher self questions to try to advance it's evolution. That was the harmony and the balance. The information would always have a balanced view, with the logos' predisposition towards kindness. "Battle Royal", the Eagle, Dragon and snake is probably the metaphor that comes to mind. The Eagle would represent the higher evolved consciousness of Ra and the serpent the lower...of the same evolution.
I'll expand on the reptilian reference.
It has to do with birds, to me, seeming to be the higher end, of the reptilian evolutionary progression.
I feel like maybe Ra uses birds as confirmations of higher thought, in a way. Like your higher self sends you a message that will coincide with you seeing a hawk(Sessions 96/97), for example.
Also, Ra is depicted in Egyptian Hieroglyphics as having a Falcon head.
In Maori culture, there is a god who comes to warn Ruatapu about the flood...the name was Kahukura. "Kahu" means "Hawk" and "Kura", school. So it was a bird god who came before the flood with important information to teach us and also means a type of rainbow.
The rainbow known as Kahukura is a double arch, the upper bow being a male and the lower one a female. The upper, or male, is of darker shades than the lower, and is called Kahukura, sometimes Kahukura-pango or Kahukura-i-te-rangi. It embraces the lower bow, the female, whose name is Tuawhiorangi, though she is sometimes referred to as the ‘Atua wharoro mai te rangi’, and in some districts she is known by other names.

I feel that this is an example of the unification of positive and negative that exists in 6D.
It seems that Kahukura was Ra clothed in maybe their 4D body...the bird or evolved reptile.
Would the light body, that they clothed themselves in when among the Egyptians, be the 6D body?
There are other places I find examples of Ra being depicted as bird too.

I feel like the Ezekiel account, is an example of the "thoughtform experiences" that people go through, when calling to the federation. It was an account of different times the planet was seeded IMO.

Ezekiel 1:10 - Their faces had this appearance: Each of the four had a man's face with a lion's face on the right, a bull's face on the left, and each of the four had an eagle's face.
The man's face, could be the yaweh aspect of the confederation "angel beings". The Lion, maybe related to the landing 10500 to 7900 BC (age of Leo)..Ox 4500 to 1900 BC(Taurus)...Eagle is Ra, who is referred to as "above them all" in another scripture.
So it's a vision of the different time's the confederation has interacted all at once, kind of thing.

Ra is who is depicted in Revelation 10, in which the angel is described as having a rainbow above his head and face like the sun. In Maori culture "Ra" is the god of the Sun.

10 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2 He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3 and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. 4 And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”

5 Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven. 6 And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, “There will be no more delay! 7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

8 Then the voice that I had heard from heaven spoke to me once more: “Go, take the scroll that lies open in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.”

9 So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the little scroll. He said to me, “Take it and eat it. It will turn your stomach sour, but ‘in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.’[a]” 10 I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour. 11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”

I feel like the rainbow reference is obvious. He gives him a scroll to seal up...the Law of One. Which was sweet...until you really digest it and have to deal with your demons...and it becomes bitter - in your stomach - the solar plexus.

Just quickly...while we're on the subject of Revelation...
There is also something I realized about the four horsemen.
It's an account of the past, not a premonition.
The first rider is Yaweh with a bow...or "arc" or "ark", obviously used to transport the...
Red horse...Mars.
Then the “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”...Is the first orion assault, resulting in the Nephilim. Then the later Yaweh/Orion "foothold" seeding or Pale Horse.
I could go on but I'm sure those that care, will figure the elder race/wanderer stuff out from there.

[Kaaron]

I get the feeling that maybe the lion and ox thing, may be more involved...but it's a start.
It could be that that's where the entities that were having their 3D experience here, came from (Constellation-wise).
Then, each of the constellations is represented simultaneously, through these beings.
Maybe Ra came to venus from the eagle constellation...Maldek leo...Mars Taurus. I feel like Yaweh is Pleadian for some reason.

[Billy]

I've heard it said that Ra was feline.  Trivial, but fun.

[Infinite]

I don't believe. But doesn't matter. The message is very more important than the messenger.

[Infinite Unity]

Ra is a bipedal ape ascendant. At his level it means nothing. But at a view point of his past, it intercrosses with what you speak. Ra is from the same logos as us. This logos and many surrounding this vicinity of creation chose the bipedal ape to evolve. So as other entities evolve here they are funneled into the bipedal ape design once reaching 3rd density around here. What one must understand about Egypt, mesopatamia, and any other ancient history. Is that it is from the perspective of the the 3rd density being. Its the 3rd densities beings account of what is and what happened. Of course confederation and Orion sources were involved, but your not reading there books or hieroglyphs, your reading humans. Each species has all other species within it. I think it a misconception to think of orions as purely being reptillians, and I think that it's more about there thoughts and behaviors rather than looks or evolutionary line.

[Kaaron]

Ra is a bipedal ape ascendant. At his level it means nothing. But at a view point of his past, it intercrosses with what you speak. Ra is from the same logos as us. This logos and many surrounding this vicinity of creation chose the bipedal ape to evolve. So as other entities evolve here they are funneled into the bipedal ape design once reaching 3rd density around here. What one must understand about Egypt, mesopatamia, and any other ancient history. Is that it is from the perspective of the the 3rd density being. Its the 3rd densities beings account of what is and what happened. Of course confederation and Orion sources were involved, but your not reading there books or hieroglyphs, your reading humans. Each species has all other species within it. I think it a misconception to think of orions as purely being reptillians, and I think that it's more about there thoughts and behaviors rather than looks or evolutionary line.

I agree...about the reptilian thing...this is why I said I more meant the Orion group, than reptilian.
I feel like some of the encounters with Ra, have been with thought form "bird" looking entities...this could be entirely mental...or even subjective. Maybe in a 3D incarnation, Ra had an ape bipedal body...they perhaps originally come from another place in the universe where the bird form is prevelant. Maybe, to someone of that particular mental configuration, an evolved reptile, would be your view of divinity.
Like I said...I'm not like those of us who nut out every word, with LOO references every step of the way.
I like to feel out new ideas that I've been playing with and put them out there, so we can have a canvas to express our own connection to the all on.

[Kaaron]

I've heard it said that Ra was feline.  Trivial, but fun.

RRRRAAAAAAA! LOL

[Kaaron]

Id also like to point out, that although the pyramids were designed with a specific purpose, discussing the finer aspects of their design and wonder, is not necessarily taking away from the majesty of their intended purpose.
I feel that the Law of One and it's message, are exactly the same.

[Nicholas]

Sorry, Mods please move this to the appropriate forum.
<<<<Disclaimer>>>>
This is going to be dis-jointed and will probably annoy those of us who struggle with less organized, pretty much "as it comes back to me", rambling...oh well.
<<<<>>>>
Perhaps, I misspoke. Maybe I mean that Ra (along with higher 6D beings at higher self level) could be that aspect of the Orion Group that has found resolution, being added to constantly...and the STS path is in constant turnover, under the leaders of the Orion Group. So Ra is trying to heal themselves, essentially.
I got the impression that Don was representing the fifth density "friend" (subconsciously), or the Orion perspective...asking it's higher self questions to try to advance it's evolution. That was the harmony and the balance. The information would always have a balanced view, with the logos' predisposition towards kindness.  "Battle Royal", the Eagle, Dragon and snake is probably the metaphor that comes to mind. The Eagle would represent the higher evolved consciousness of Ra and the serpent the lower...of the same evolution.
I'll expand on the reptilian reference.
It has to do with birds, to me, seeming to be the higher end, of the reptilian evolutionary progression.
I feel like maybe Ra uses birds as confirmations of higher thought, in a way. Like your higher self sends you a message that will coincide with you seeing a hawk(Sessions 96/97), for example.
Also, Ra is depicted in Egyptian Hieroglyphics as having a Falcon head.
In Maori culture, there is a god who comes to warn Ruatapu about the flood...the name was Kahukura. "Kahu" means "Hawk" and "Kura", school. So it was a bird god who came before the flood with important information to teach us and also means a type of rainbow.
The rainbow known as Kahukura is a double arch, the upper bow being a male and the lower one a female. The upper, or male, is of darker shades than the lower, and is called Kahukura, sometimes Kahukura-pango or Kahukura-i-te-rangi. It embraces the lower bow, the female, whose name is Tuawhiorangi, though she is sometimes referred to as the ‘Atua wharoro mai te rangi’, and in some districts she is known by other names.

I feel that this is an example of the unification of positive and negative that exists in 6D.
It seems that Kahukura was Ra clothed in maybe their 4D body...the bird or evolved reptile.
Would the light body, that they clothed themselves in when among the Egyptians, be the 6D body?
There are other places I find examples of Ra being depicted as bird too.

I feel like the Ezekiel account, is an example of the "thoughtform experiences" that people go through, when calling to the federation. It was an account of different times the planet was seeded IMO.

Ezekiel 1:10 - Their faces had this appearance: Each of the four had a man's face with a lion's face on the right, a bull's face on the left, and each of the four had an eagle's face.
The man's face, could be the yaweh aspect of the confederation "angel beings". The Lion, maybe related to the landing 10500 to 7900 BC (age of Leo)..Ox 4500 to 1900 BC(Taurus)...Eagle is Ra, who is referred to as "above them all" in another scripture.
So it's a vision of the different time's the confederation has interacted all at once, kind of thing.

Ra is who is depicted in Revelation 10, in which the angel is described as having a rainbow above his head and face like the sun. In Maori culture "Ra" is the god of the Sun.

10 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2 He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3 and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. 4 And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”

5 Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven. 6 And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, “There will be no more delay! 7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”

8 Then the voice that I had heard from heaven spoke to me once more: “Go, take the scroll that lies open in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.”

9 So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the little scroll. He said to me, “Take it and eat it. It will turn your stomach sour, but ‘in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.’[a]” 10 I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour. 11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”

I feel like the rainbow reference is obvious. He gives him a scroll to seal up til the time of the end...the Law of One. Which was sweet...until you really digest it and have to deal with your demons...and it becomes bitter - in your stomach - the solar plexus.

Just quickly...while we're on the subject of Revelation...
There is also something I realized about the four horsemen.
It's an account of the past, not a premonition.
The first rider is Yaweh with a bow...or "arc" or "ark", obviously used to transport the...
Red horse...Mars.
Then the “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”...Is the first orion assault, resulting in the Nephilim. Then the later Yaweh/Orion "foothold" seeding or Pale Horse.
I could go on but I'm sure those that care, will figure the elder race/wanderer stuff out from there.

As per your own dot connecting, I really cant comment, but it sounds interesting. 

Back in April 2014 I took 100grms of dried Psilocybin mushrooms with the hoped for intention of contacting my own "home" vibration. I had not touched mind altering drugs for years, but in this instance I was driven by the desire to know rather than to escape.

Apart from the obvious geometry and seemingly computer generated colours, two reptilian figures appeared in front of me. I questioned them in my mind, "Why are you here?" (while sharing this I just got a muscle twitch in my right eye), "What do you have to say about yourselves?"..."Who are you!?".

They said nothing in return, absolutely nothing, apart from projecting the image of a frog, superimposed over the geo/colour hallucinations. So the only answer I got from these 2 chaps was an image of a frog!

I became frustrated, stuck my finger up at them both and went to bed. 

To this day I am mystified as to why 2 obviously reptilian entities would greet me in such a way, given my precursor to taking the drug in the first place! I feel like, where are my f***ing friends here!?

Or was my request answered? I really don't know to be honest, I only know that the unknown can be identified as the creator, and I realise that, and so did they, I guess, because I slept soundly that night.

[Kaaron]

As per your own dot connecting, I really cant comment, but it sounds interesting. 

Back in April 2014 I took 100grms of dried Psilocybin mushrooms with the hoped for intention of contacting my own "home" vibration. I had not touched mind altering drugs for years, but in this instance I was driven by the desire to know rather than to escape.

Apart from the obvious geometry and seemingly computer generated colours, two reptilian figures appeared in front of me. I questioned them in my mind, "Why are you here?" (while sharing this I just got a muscle twitch in my right eye), "What do you have to say about yourselves?"..."Who are you!?".

They said nothing in return, absolutely nothing, apart from projecting the image of a frog, superimposed over the geo/colour hallucinations. So the only answer I got from these 2 chaps was an image of a frog!

I became frustrated, stuck my finger up at them both and went to bed. 

To this day I am mystified as to why 2 obviously reptilian entities would greet me in such a way, given my precursor to taking the drug in the first place! I feel like, where are my f***ing friends here!?

Or was my request answered? I really don't know to be honest, I only know that the unknown can be identified as the creator, and I realise that, and so did they, I guess, because I slept soundly that night.

Did they look anything like this?

[Infinite Unity]

Also I meant planetary logos in this instance.

[Kaaron]

Imagine if...those who looked like Ra, incarnated looking like the Ra that came earlier...spreading Orion philosophy.
Another way to say it would be that those who had the ability to take any form they wish, would be able to appear as the original, more STO Ra. However, they're really Orion group members.

[Nicholas]

As per your own dot connecting, I really cant comment, but it sounds interesting. 

Back in April 2014 I took 100grms of dried Psilocybin mushrooms with the hoped for intention of contacting my own "home" vibration. I had not touched mind altering drugs for years, but in this instance I was driven by the desire to know rather than to escape.

Apart from the obvious geometry and seemingly computer generated colours, two reptilian figures appeared in front of me. I questioned them in my mind, "Why are you here?" (while sharing this I just got a muscle twitch in my right eye), "What do you have to say about yourselves?"..."Who are you!?".

They said nothing in return, absolutely nothing, apart from projecting the image of a frog, superimposed over the geo/colour hallucinations. So the only answer I got from these 2 chaps was an image of a frog!

I became frustrated, stuck my finger up at them both and went to bed. 

To this day I am mystified as to why 2 obviously reptilian entities would greet me in such a way, given my precursor to taking the drug in the first place! I feel like, where are my f***ing friends here!?

Or was my request answered? I really don't know to be honest, I only know that the unknown can be identified as the creator, and I realise that, and so did they, I guess, because I slept soundly that night.

Did they look anything like this?

Kind of, in that they were tall. But they had no plumage whatsoever. They were more scaly in their appearance and had no costume at all, but the head was very similar. My main concern at the time was "where is the love here?". I felt nothing in return, and so I just went to bed.

And this characterisation is one of the reasons why I never shared this experience in the forums. Trying to nail down how a particular SMC looks is like trying to dupe Ra into telling us how 4th density looks. In other words it ain't gonna happen, imo, which is why I don't dwell on it.

But this thread prompted me to share my own confusions during my first mushroom trip, and the jury is in indefinite recess as to where those two twats originate from!

[Nicholas]

Imagine if...those who looked like Ra, incarnated looking like the Ra that came earlier...spreading Orion philosophy.
Another way to say it would be that those who had the ability to take any form they wish, would be able to appear as the original, more STS Ra. However, they're really Orion group members.

Another way to put it is that Ra could suffer the same fate as Yahweh? Of course!

But bringing to light the "what if syndrome", or as you put it, "imagine if..." scenario?

Just separate the wheat from the chaff, the messenger is not that important 

[Kaaron]

Yes Nicholas, you're right.
I just want to point out that I've edited the "STS Ra" to "STO Ra", as I only just saw that.
I try to weed out the distortions...I find voicing them here, helps me to find perspective.
Thankyou

[Infinite Unity]

The quotes I am talking about come from session 90 11-12. I think you will find that whole area of intrest. So yesterday I went and really thought about what you asked, and everyone's reply here. So I am returning to the point of the planetary logos, chosing the form in which it invests. So obviously Earth/Gaia chose to invest in the bipedal ape design. Ra also states that nearby logoi also chose this form. We have direct statements from early sessions, where Ra states that indeed he is from venus, and was a bipedal ape form. So I believe we are sub logos to gaia, which is are logos but Also a sub Logos to the sun. However Venus is also a sub Logos of the suns, while at the same time it is a planetary logos. In my own opinion everything in existence is simultaneously a logos and a logoi. You are the logos analog to your cells, organs, and thought. However you are a sub Logos to gaia. I do believe there are reptillians amongst the Orion group, and many more myriad of beings. So I recomp on my first statement saying it is just a behavioural or thought metaphor or symbalance.

[Kaaron]

The quotes I am talking about come from session 90 11-12. I think you will find that whole area of intrest. So yesterday I went and really thought about what you asked, and everyone's reply here. So I am returning to the point of the planetary logos, chosing the form in which it invests. So obviously Earth/Gaia chose to invest in the bipedal ape design. Ra also states that nearby logoi also chose this form. We have direct statements from early sessions, where Ra states that indeed he is from venus, and was a bipedal ape form. So I believe we are sub logos to gaia, which is are logos but Also a sub Logos to the sun. However Venus is also a sub Logos of the suns, while at the same time it is a planetary logos. In my own opinion everything in existence is simultaneously a logos and a logoi. You are the logos analog to your cells, organs, and thought. However you are a sub Logos to gaia. I  do believe there are reptillians amongst the Orion group, and many more myriad of beings. So I recomp on my first statement saying it is just a behavioural or thought metaphor or symbalance.

I said that I feel it could be more that Ra is the Orion Group higher self, trying to reach the distorted parts of themselves...not so much exclusively reptilian.
Besides this point.
Is it outside the realms of possibility, that an ape/reptile hybrid was used?
Or that Ra, when on wanderer missions, got swept up in the melodrama and is now spread across multiple other social memory complexes, including the Orion group

[AnthroHeart]

Ra is all that is. Just like we are.