If 6th desisty beings are unifying sto w\sts how does the 3d choice effect them

[Glow]

Wow maybe I should work on that title more.

I was thinking about this off and on and yeah I still don't have my wording quite right to ask, but I'm going to try anyways.

So Mr.\Mrs. 6D incarnates, and becomes 3d necessitating polarization to regraduate.

I'm curious though 6d see sto and sts as useful paths, so how would a 6d incarnated to 3d display or live that?
I know they see sto as the final path but they aren't as "anti-sts" as 4d, 5d.
If I'm not clear here, I wonder if they would be less polarized positive say 60% sto, where a 4d or 5d might get to 75%+ as those dimensions are more divisive?

This has just been rattling around in my head for a while so hopefully it makes some sense. Ive been thinking 6d would maybe be more likely to get lost as wanderers or because of their predisposition towards encompassing both paths. I admit I could be way off but I'm curious enough to ask.

[herald]

I think the definition of service is dependent on the density. This is one reason it is so hard to serve in the higher ones. We don't need as much, then.

[APeacefulWarrior]

Well, here are some thoughts/musings on the subject...

It's hard to talk about because "everyday life" for 6Ds is going to be practically incomprehensible to us. They can multitask on a level we can't really even wrap our heads around, like hyperdimensionally. I strongly suspect that whenever a 6D is involved with an incarnation, they're actually part of that incarnation across a multitude of timelines simultaneously. Maybe even all of the timelines associated with that entity.

So I think that to them, it's less about what any ONE life does, but more about the aggregate. The trends. Learning more about themselves and their remaining energy imbalances by looking at the averages of a million choices made by a million "quantum" variations on the same life. I doubt polarity -especially of a single lifeline- matters much, if any, to them. There's a strong suggestion that while polarity is important at the 3rd and 4th densities, it becomes far less important as one grows through 5th and 6th until, of course, it's ultimately abandoned.

Also, I tend to think they would also incarnate with some larger goals beyond their own personal development. Like, Ra said that a large number of people on Earth are ultimately part of him. And since Ra is greatly concerned with overseeing Earth's Harvest and 4D changeover, it would make sense if one of the primary goals of his incarnations was aiding in those efforts.

Finally, just something I've pondered: I wonder sometimes whether 6Ds actually incarnate directly. Since they're effectively a gestalt entity which is made up of the 4th and 5th density entities within their S/M/C, it logically follows that the 6D entity would still benefit from any incarnative activities their constituent 4 & 5Ds engage in. So I've got a notion that even if a Wanderer is "from" a 6D, that specific Wanderer is actually a 4D or 5D native who happens to ALSO be part of the 6D S/M/C. The 4/5D entity gets more direct incarnative experience to build their love or wisdom, the 6D entity learns from all those experiences across all timelines, and the individual incarnation gets the benefit of a gigantic S/M/C watching and guiding them.

Such "everyone wins" situations seems in line with the philosophy, so to speak, of positive S/M/Cs.

[AnthroHeart]

A 6D entity also has more free will than a 3D. They are free to do more.

[anagogy]

Wow maybe I should work on that title more.

I was thinking about this off and on and yeah I still don't have my wording quite right to ask, but I'm going to try anyways.

So Mr.\Mrs. 6D incarnates, and becomes 3d necessitating polarization to regraduate.

I'm curious though 6d see sto and sts as useful paths, so how would a 6d incarnated to 3d display or live that?
I know they see sto as the final path but they aren't as "anti-sts" as 4d, 5d.
If I'm not clear here, I wonder if they would be less polarized positive say 60% sto, where a 4d or 5d might get to 75%+ as those dimensions are more divisive?

This has just been rattling around in my head for a while so hopefully it makes some sense. Ive been thinking 6d would maybe be more likely to get lost as wanderers or because of their predisposition towards encompassing both paths. I admit I could be way off but I'm curious enough to ask.

In my opinion, 6D wanderers don't have to repolarize to graduate. Their spiritual complex is already of a harvestable nature and has been for eons. Meaning, they will have no problems returning to 6D after their earthly sojourn. However, they are 3rd density activated in mind and body while incarnate. The only difference between them and a native 3rd density incarnate is their spiritual complex, which acts as a kind of "armor of light" during incarnation. This is perceived by the incarnate wanderer as a bias towards truth. For example, one might be raised in a christian religion but inwardly feel something isn't right, and be inexplicably drawn to the concept of reincarnation despite his religious conditioning. This is just a random example. So aside from that bias and unconscious pull towards truth, a 6D wanderer is going to act just as ignorantly, we might say, as a native 3rd density being in many cases. But they will almost inevitably have a strong desire towards some type of spiritual communion, which will tend to move them naturally towards thoughts and behaviors more consonant with unity, but having 3rd density minds, they are likely going to make plenty of mistakes implementing those thoughts and behaviors.

Also, a 6D entity doesn't see the STS path as useful in and of itself. They see service to all as the ultimate balance, which includes self and others. But that is what STO really is, because service to others results in service to self. Service self results in service to others also, but not nearly as balanced as the other way around because in order for something to be a "service to another" it has to be seen by the other as beneficial on some level, which is less frequently the case in acts of service to self.

STS and STO are both seeking unity, or the creator, but the difference is STS only seeks unity insofar as it nets them more power. They don't actually want to merge with others, they just want the power that emanates from connection. That's what eventually results in the unsustainable spiritual entropy that stunts their evolution in 6D. They don't want to blend their identities with others, they want to dominate the other identities, and you can't progress in 6D without blending. In 6D efficiency of love and light balance is of supreme importance and all must be shared with all to achieve that equilibrium.

[spero]

as much as we might consider post unification 6d to be without polarity, it is still best represented by sto in the lower densities since that path accepts and utilises all the energy centers and would therefore be the closer approximation to the unity 6d strives for

[Glow]

as much as we might consider post unification 6d to be without polarity, it is still best represented by sto in the lower densities since that path accepts and utilises all the energy centers and would therefore be the closer approximation to the unity 6d strives for

I totally didn't mean they wouldn't be sto.
I was saying 60 vs the required 51%.

Part of what got me thinking this is the comments via Ra that state 4d wanderers ( Jesus) tend to be of love not yet balanced with wisdom so they can tend to be marters.

I will go find the quote. So that had me thinking perhaps the wisdom balanced with love 5D makes you a bit less strictly sto as you see you need your own love too.

Then in 6d being that they can embrace both paths as being necessary and of the creator ... I don't know lol incomplete though still

Either way I guess it would be irrelevant if they do not need to regraduate.

[Plenum]

I'm curious though 6d see sto and sts as useful paths, so how would a 6d incarnated to 3d display or live that?

I think the 'ultimate acceptance' is the acceptance of both paths as being entirely valid.

Once there is that 'integration', there is no more need for individuated consciousness.

In terms of your Question, it is something heavily dependent upon the chosen incarnate Personality.

The greatest barrier is 'knowing something to be true at a deeper level', and not being able to articulate that (seat those Understandings) in the current Incarnation.

To me, that is the challenge that those of Greater Experience have to face on an ongoing basis.

[Manjushri]

If 6D is in our "future" then wouldn't our present be very important to entities living within it? Without us or certain choices we make, their reality may not even exist.

[AnthroHeart]

I think the Logos or sub-Logos (sun) helps to ensure that all entities eventually make it.
Or it could just be the guardians from another octave giving their light.

[Minyatur]

If 6D is in our "future" then wouldn't our present be very important to entities living within it? Without us or certain choices we make, their reality may not even exist.

I think we are the Higher Self complexifying it's totality but we never are without the Higher Self, it is there in our beginning and every step of the way, watching over it's experience of itself.

[Dog Star]

i just want my higher self to tell me what to do, it is so difficult not knowing

[Minyatur]

i just want my higher self to tell me what to do, it is so difficult not knowing

It offers advices from your unconscious mind more than anything definite to do because it probably perceive not any lesser or better, but only the manifestation of free will.

I think each's interaction with the higher self is unique, so you can definitely connect with it in meditation to seek guidance from a clearer and more balanced perspective.

[anagogy]

i just want my higher self to tell me what to do, it is so difficult not knowing

True, but if you did know it would defeat the purpose of incarnating. We don't know deliberately. This is a grand experiment we have all chosen to participate in to see how our selves react in an environment of not knowing. The question is: will I see the unity through the illusion of separation? Will I act on the truth of that and see all others as my brothers and sisters and collect them in the heart of my being? Or will I wallow in the illusory separation and treat others as obstacles to be controlled and overcome? It's a kind of spiritual game of peekaboo we are playing with ourselves. As Ra said, the game can only be won in the melting influence of love.

[Plenum]

you can definitely bring yourself into greater alignment.

It just takes the 'right' Questions

[APeacefulWarrior]

I actually got some relayed feedback from my 4D & 5D guides about my own higher wishes about this incarnation. Although it was more about what not to do. Specifically, I've been strongly discouraged from inquiring too deeply about my own past lives and otherwise about who I "really" am outside of this incarnation. For whatever reason -which I'm also discouraged from digging into- I apparently wanted this life to be very much a blank slate.

The interesting thing is that I know my own free will is still preserved, and if I outright demanded to be told these things, they'd probably give in and let me know. But I've decided to trust their advice and my own higher wishes, and save such mysteries for later.

(After all, in the immortal words of Bill S. Preston, Esq: Why would we lie to ourselves? )

Either way, point being that it IS possible to get some feedback. But it's important to remember that your own free will and choices are still the most important factor here. The point of a life is to live it, and see what happens.

[Minyatur]

I actually got some relayed feedback from my 4D & 5D guides about my own higher wishes about this incarnation.  Although it was more about what not to do.  Specifically, I've been strongly discouraged from inquiring too deeply about my own past lives and otherwise about who I "really" am outside of this incarnation.  For whatever reason -which I'm also discouraged from digging into- I apparently wanted this life to be very much a blank slate.

The interesting thing is that I know my own free will is still preserved, and if I outright demanded to be told these things, they'd probably give in and let me know.  But I've decided to trust their advice and my own higher wishes, and save such mysteries for later.

This might be because I'm not much into guides, although I did talk with various ones at certain times, but is not this kind of information something you can find easily by connecting to yourself?

I got exact similar insight, that I don't desire to seek too deeply past lives or experiences elsewhere as it is not useful to what I am working on nor the change I am trying to bring to myself. But I didn't get this through asking something external and more like through looking at myself. These things were like feelings that are there within me.

[Glow]

I'm curious though 6d see sto and sts as useful paths, so how would a 6d incarnated to 3d display or live that?

I think the 'ultimate acceptance' is the acceptance of both paths as being entirely valid.

Once there is that 'integration', there is no more need for individuated consciousness.

In terms of your Question, it is something heavily dependent upon the chosen incarnate Personality.

The greatest barrier is 'knowing something to be true at a deeper level', and not being able to articulate that (seat those Understandings) in the current Incarnation.

To me, that is the challenge that those of Greater Experience have to face on an ongoing basis.

That resonates as the understanding I was seeking. Thank you

[Minyatur]

About the "ultimate acceptance", I also think there is at some point a moment of perceiving that every moment of your path was fated, that you always played your given role and could've never done otherwise, that each moment was literally always perfect and that you now are fully aware of it, that there was never positive/negative but instead cause and effect to be experienced.

In this would lie awareness that every STO act always were STS in their inherent nature, that you served others for yourself and never truly for others (as they are an extension of yourself). That every STS act always had the inherent good will and innocence that is found in the STO path also. You would really become unable to truly dissociate polarities and instead perceive in others (or your past self) that they either are in a state of harmony with themselves or not. You also see that every moment cannot and should not be removed, that this would make Love incomplete and render it void, that everything has truly it's place.

I think this is known for a long time, but there's a moment of like truly feeling it.

[Glow]

About the "ultimate acceptance", I also think there is at some point a moment of perceiving that every moment of your path was fated, that you always played your given role and could've never done otherwise, that each moment was literally always perfect and that you now are fully aware of it, that there was never positive/negative but instead cause and effect to be experienced.

In this would lie awareness that every STO act always were STS in their inherent nature, that you served others for yourself and never truly for others (as they are an extension of yourself). That every STS act always had the inherent good will and innocence that is found in the STO path also. You would really become unable to truly dissociate polarities and instead perceive in others (or your past self) that they either are in a state of harmony with themselves or not. You also see that every moment cannot and should not be removed, that this would make Love incomplete and render it void, that everything has truly it's place.

I think this is known for a long time, but there's a moment of like truly feeling it.

Ooooooh deep. I've thought the first part off and on, but hadn't considered the second.

This morning I started thinking about how accurate astrology is in the natal chart and cycles how all the aspects are scarily precise and was forced to wonder if we aren't just different computer programs. We are math lol It kinda started to stir my rebellious nature.

My thoughts were well if this is a program and I've been designed to feel such and such, and react in such and such a way I'm going to mess up the program and just not react or take things deeply anymore, do the opposite ... Then I realized that exact plan and thought pattern could have been programmed into my "life" too. No winning that rebellion. lol

I honestly hope it's all fated. Just an experience picked off a shelf to be had.
If I'm not actually me but an awareness experiencing something set in stone like a well balanced math equation it all matters much less. It could just be experienced vs taken so seriously.

The flip side of that is again we wouldn't need individual souls at all for that just the ONE under a heavy veil of illusion.

Going to have to read the second part again. Like it so far though.

[Minyatur]

Ooooooh deep. I've thought the first part off and on, but hadn't considered the second.

This morning I started thinking about how accurate astrology is in the natal chart and cycles how all the aspects are scarily precise and was forced to wonder if we aren't just different computer programs. We are math lol It kinda started to stir my rebellious nature.

My thoughts were well if this is a program and I've been designed to feel such and such, and react in such and such a way I'm going to mess up the program and just not react or take things deeply anymore, do the opposite ... Then I realized that exact plan and thought pattern could have been programmed into my "life" too. No winning that rebellion. lol

I honestly hope it's all fated. Just an experience picked off a shelf to be had.
If I'm not actually me but an awareness experiencing something set in stone like a well balanced math equation it all matters much less. It could just be experienced vs taken so seriously.

The flip side of that is again we wouldn't need individual souls at all for that just the ONE under a heavy veil of illusion.

Going to have to read the second part again. Like it so far though.

I've had the feeling of being like an open book in face of astrology haha, but I think when we become aware of the flow we are stuck within, it allows us to truly internalize the archetype (can be done through observing others also) and once they are truly internalized they become a known facet of yourself that can be invoked at will. They are like patterns of the mind, once you feel a sign you retain a memory of it's enertigical pattern. I think the adept seeks to unveil all the facets so it may use what it believes useful in any given moment, it jumps from one configuration to the other by invoking a different pattern within the self.

More than being math, you could see the archetypes as something that is explored. While it seem programmed, it really just is interconnection with facets of yourself. You are your own astral body yourself, with your own energitic signature, and every other thing is connected to you in significative and less-significative ways. Say you have a child, then the astral body your are will have a great impact due to closeness to this child's growth. If it had a different parent, then surely it'd be different in some way because of a different influence. The One-Mind is like a giant cosmic clockwork, each has it's part in it.

I think the soul has the ability to collect archetypes through perceiving itself moving through them, your soul kinda collects facets it knows itself through. Galactic explorations of archetypes!

[Minyatur]

A quote I find deeply inspiring from the Thoth Tablets that relates to a few things I've been talking about.

The consciousness below thee is ever-expanding
in different ways from those known to thee.
Aye, it, though in space-time below thee,
is ever growing in ways that are different from
those that were part of the ways of thine own.
For know that it grows as a result of thy growth
but not in the same way that thou didst grow.
The growth that thou had and have in the present
have brought into being a cause and effect.
No consciousness follows the path of those before it,
else all would be repetition and vain.
Each consciousness in the cycle it exists in
follows its own path to the ultimate goal.
Each plays its part in the Plan of the Cosmos.
Each plays its part in the ultimate end.
The farther the cycle, the greater its
knowledge and ability to blend the Law of the whole.
Know ye, that ye in the cycles below us
are working the minor parts of the Law,
while we of the cycle that extends to Infinity
take of the striving and build greater Law.
Each has his own part to play in the cycles.
Each has his work to complete in his way.
The cycle below thee is yet not below thee
but only formed for a need that exists.
For know ye that the fountain of wisdom
that sends forth the cycles is eternally
seeking new powers to gain.
Ye know that knowledge is gained only by practice,
and wisdom comes forth only from knowledge,
and thus are the cycles created by Law.
Means are they for the gaining of knowledge
for the Plane of Law that is the Source of the All.

Each of us is a manifestation of the Source, a manifestation of it's eternal striving. Each plays it's role, never better nor lesser for each role exists only in relation to the others. If one had the desire of the brightest light never tainted by darkness and came to experience it, then this has a cause of effect that will manifest it's opposite desire into manifestation in a different time and space through an other-self.

That is the nature of the Source, it does not seek to harmonize things or to find unity because that is it's true inherent nature that all things gravitate toward, it seeks to perceive itself in infinite ways, to see all it can be, to see itself within every parameter that can make itself different than how it has known itself. It does not seek a pleasant Love that is well to experience (well not at this time and space), it seeks to know Love in it's every facets, in all it's possible forms, to make this intelligent energy the most it can be, which is infinite in it's nature. A part of that was a movement without awareness of the STS facet of love, until it became the answer to a need that emerged from the experience of unawareness of it.

Everything truly is perfect, and this is the learning that may be the hardest to teach, but it is a moment of realization we all find through our own path.

[APeacefulWarrior]

This might be because I'm not much into guides, although I did talk with various ones at certain times, but is not this kind of information something you can find easily by connecting to yourself?

I got exact similar insight, that I don't desire to seek too deeply past lives or experiences elsewhere as it is not useful to what I am working on nor the change I am trying to bring to myself. But I didn't get this through asking something external and more like through looking at myself. These things were like feelings that are there within me.

(*shrug*) What's easy for some is difficult for others. I have a good working relationship with my guides, so I do that. Besides, it's kind of semantics anyway due to Oneness, but I find them to be a useful distortion to embrace, especially since I'm relatively certain we're all part of the same S/M/C.

[AnthroHeart]

APW, do your guides talk to you out loud, or through signposts?

[APeacefulWarrior]

Mentally. Internal voices, not external.

[Infinite Unity]

Crazy voices bro.

[Infinite Unity]

Water sums it all up. Water balances itself. Water contorts to any form. I agree with minyatur to a great degree. However I do believe we have a symbiotic relationship to the creator. I believe we are the creators passion. I believe we are the reason the creator can get up in the morning so to speak. The creator can create and manifest all kinds of things for us. However even beyond that I believe I'm a sense we are healing the creator. Healing the creator from what???? Lonliness? Selfishness? I don't know. I no longer believe we are full on the creator. I believe free will is an agreement with the creator for all eternity. There will be rough roads and high roads in the sun. But you will be forever and you have being and no what it is to feel, live, and love.

[Infinite Unity]

I no longer think of it in the same respect. I believe we really are Gods children. I believe we are suppose to want to be like our father. Not ourselves as the creator.

[Dog Star]

do i believe to believe? not sure

[Minyatur]

I no longer think of it in the same respect. I believe we really are Gods children. I believe we are suppose to want to be like our father. Not ourselves as the creator.

From the way I understand it, you exist at every level and there is no "Father" figure that exist without it's own "Father" figure and so forth. One day your individualization will stand at the level of what you deem to be the Creator you are not, and you will open the time/space of yourself to children to be born (as part of their infinite births) within yourself. In this lies that there is no above nor bellow, what we are manifests in an infinite thoughtform of itself, where it allows itself to play every role that exists in relation to itself. I think each of us incarnate our very own facet of the Greater Free Will if you will. we are facets of an eternal and infinite striving that gives birth to experience.

I think the Highest Creator is the Source and the Source is that which contains all things, never more with or without any portion of it, it is the sole thing that experiences. The Logos (Father of this Creation) is but a facet of many-ness that moved higher than us within the Infinite Stream, yet that still has infinity above Itself and infinity bellow Itself, just like we do.