Resulting from a short side trip in another thread, I just wanted to try sorting out those groups that are sometimes confused and that are known to us as
The Council of Saturn
(Emphases just to highlight where the confusion comes from.)
But who are The Council of Nine who are the same as The Nine (and maybe the Nine Principles)? I don't really get a grip on them yet. To begin with, the information provided by Ra and Q'uo is quite clear:
The Council of Nine and The Nine
Don here refers to the appendix of The Nine’s channeling in the book, Uri: A Journal of the Mystery of Uri Geller, by Andrija/Henry Puharich.
So clearly, The Council of Nine are The Nine are no-one else but the positively polarized entities formerly known as Yahweh, now Yod Heh Shin Vau Heh, who, despite having reached harvestability to 4th density, have decided to remain in the inner planes of 3rd density of our planet to help humanity in the way they deem the most effective, and Puharich (and his channels Geller, Horne and Schlemmer) and Probert seem to have been the only semi-undistorted (which also means semi-distorted) sources of the information given by The Nine until January 25, 1981, when the quoted Ra session had been held. So far, so good. But how much distorted were they already, and what about other and later sources, such as Dr. James J. Hurtak, Jenny O’Connor, David M. Myers...?
And what about this information, that to me seems to have at least some validity to it, too? What the authors are quoting of Tom and The Nine doesn't sound like Confederation members at all... Why is that? Have the channels distorted the information (maybe unconsciously)? Have the publishers distorted it? And if so, why didn't The Nine cease the contact? Or have, at least at times, negative sources made the instruments and listeners believe they are The Nine because of the instruments' disregard of the need of challenging them or their inability to hold the contact in a stable and conscious manner? And how could all of this be sorted out? Has anyone of you ever read a larger portion of The Nine's channelings, maybe even of different channels, so as to be able to compare them? Is there any way to separate the wheat from the chaff at all?
Q'uo unfortunately didn't say much about this aspect of the contacts when asked about The Nine in 2008:
So without any doubt, part of the explanation is a strong bias on the parts of some or all of the instruments. But does this account for such strongly distorted information as seem to have come out of The Nine contacts? And why did The Nine allow this to happen (continued the contact with the same instruments) in such a fashion that seems contradictory to their own aims?
I'm not concerned about myself with this, I'm perfectly fine with Ra's and Q'uo's information and trust my discernment, but then there are others... I'm concerned about The Nine channelings because so much intermingling of positive and negative information seems to have taken place in their name. Do we want/have to see and treat The Nine's channelings just as any other negative or mixed source information that seem to be so numerous out there, using our own discrimination (or, as Q'uo suggested in this context, to follow our hearts and to follow the path of resonance) and probably largely ignoring them, despite knowing, that the original The Nine were/are the ones formerly known as Yahweh who have a "sincere and genuine desire to help" and to get positive information out there? Or is there a way to help others with something like a guideline to sift through the material in a sensible (and safe) manner?
Sidenote: Even more confusion on a Council of Nine (the first part is obviously about The Council of Saturn and The Confederation, but the second part... oh well).
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- The Council of Saturn
- The Council of Nine and
- The Nine
The Council of Saturn
Ra Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. The members of the Council are representatives from the Confederation and from those vibratory levels of your inner planes bearing responsibility for your third density. The names are not important because there are no names. Your mind/body/spirit complexes request names and so, in many cases, the vibratory sound complexes which are consonant with the vibratory distortions of each entity are used. However, the name concept is not part of the Council. If names are requested, we will attempt them. However, not all have chosen names.
In number, the Council that sits in constant session, though varying in its members by means of balancing, which takes place, what you would call irregularly, is nine. That is the Session Council. To back up this Council, there are twenty-four entities which offer their services as requested. These entities faithfully watch and have been called the Guardians.
The Council operates by means of, what you would call, telepathic contact with the oneness or unity of the nine, the distortions blending harmoniously so that the Law of One prevails with ease. When a need for thought is present, the Council retains the distortion-complex of this need, balancing it as described, and then recommends what it considers as appropriate action. This includes: One, the duty of admitting social memory complexes to the Confederation; Two, offering aid to those who are unsure how to aid the social memory complex requesting aid in a way consonant with both the call, the Law, and the number of those calling (that is to say, sometimes the resistance of the call); Three, internal questions in the Council are determined.
These are the prominent duties of the Council. They are, if in any doubt, able to contact the twenty-four who then offer consensus/judgment/thinking to the Council. The Council then may reconsider any question.
(Emphases just to highlight where the confusion comes from.)
But who are The Council of Nine who are the same as The Nine (and maybe the Nine Principles)? I don't really get a grip on them yet. To begin with, the information provided by Ra and Q'uo is quite clear:
The Council of Nine and The Nine
Ra Wrote:7.10 Questioner: Is the Council of Nine the same nine that was mentioned in this book? [Questioner gestures to Uri.]
Ra: I am Ra. The Council of Nine has been retained in semi-undistorted form by two main sources, that known in your naming, as Mark and that known in your naming as Henry. In one case, the channel became the scribe. In the other, the channel was not the scribe. However, without the aid of the scribe, the energy would not have come to the channel.
7.11 Questioner: The names you spoke of, are they Mark Probert and Henry Puharich?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
Don here refers to the appendix of The Nine’s channeling in the book, Uri: A Journal of the Mystery of Uri Geller, by Andrija/Henry Puharich.
Quo Wrote:You asked about contacts such as that of Phyllis Schlemmer with “The Nine,” and the one called Tom...
[...]
When one speaks of such entities as The Nine, one speaks of a kind of entity that has an unusual relationship with some of those within the inner planes of this planet. The entities which make up The Nine are, in fact, those of the entity known to this instrument as Yahweh.
[...]
This means that these entities which together make up The Nine or Yahweh have never grown past the impulse or desire to interfere—for the good, of course—in the story of planet Earth. There is a tremendous love of the people of Earth from this group and a sincere and genuine desire to help.
As a sidenote about Yahweh, Ra Wrote:Ra: I am Ra. There were two other techniques used: one by the entity no longer called Yahweh, who still felt that if it could raise up entities which were superior to the negative forces, that these superior entities could spread the Law of One. Thus this entity, “Yod Heh Shin Vau Heh,” came among your people in form according to incarnate being and mated in the normal reproductive manner of your physical complexes, thus birthing a generation of much larger beings, these beings called “Anak.”
So clearly, The Council of Nine are The Nine are no-one else but the positively polarized entities formerly known as Yahweh, now Yod Heh Shin Vau Heh, who, despite having reached harvestability to 4th density, have decided to remain in the inner planes of 3rd density of our planet to help humanity in the way they deem the most effective, and Puharich (and his channels Geller, Horne and Schlemmer) and Probert seem to have been the only semi-undistorted (which also means semi-distorted) sources of the information given by The Nine until January 25, 1981, when the quoted Ra session had been held. So far, so good. But how much distorted were they already, and what about other and later sources, such as Dr. James J. Hurtak, Jenny O’Connor, David M. Myers...?
And what about this information, that to me seems to have at least some validity to it, too? What the authors are quoting of Tom and The Nine doesn't sound like Confederation members at all... Why is that? Have the channels distorted the information (maybe unconsciously)? Have the publishers distorted it? And if so, why didn't The Nine cease the contact? Or have, at least at times, negative sources made the instruments and listeners believe they are The Nine because of the instruments' disregard of the need of challenging them or their inability to hold the contact in a stable and conscious manner? And how could all of this be sorted out? Has anyone of you ever read a larger portion of The Nine's channelings, maybe even of different channels, so as to be able to compare them? Is there any way to separate the wheat from the chaff at all?
Q'uo unfortunately didn't say much about this aspect of the contacts when asked about The Nine in 2008:
Quo Wrote:And so the desires of those upon planet Earth mingle with the desires of those of The Nine to create a self-fulfilling link in which the information continues to be offered because it is desired.
And this is a point which is worthy of some examination. We find it helpful to work with instruments such as this one, who has no particular need to express its own thoughts, for we are able to channel through this instrument that which we wish to say without this instrument’s adding or subtracting information according to its opinions. It is helpful to have instruments with whom to work who have no biases as far as the outcome of their words.
The more need there is on the part of the instrument to channel certain things, the more likely the instrument is to take that which we have to say and to create of our thoughts a little more than we had to say, shall we say. The biases of the channel are always a part of any channeling. The only question is to what extent the bias of the channel has influenced the material produced.
So without any doubt, part of the explanation is a strong bias on the parts of some or all of the instruments. But does this account for such strongly distorted information as seem to have come out of The Nine contacts? And why did The Nine allow this to happen (continued the contact with the same instruments) in such a fashion that seems contradictory to their own aims?
I'm not concerned about myself with this, I'm perfectly fine with Ra's and Q'uo's information and trust my discernment, but then there are others... I'm concerned about The Nine channelings because so much intermingling of positive and negative information seems to have taken place in their name. Do we want/have to see and treat The Nine's channelings just as any other negative or mixed source information that seem to be so numerous out there, using our own discrimination (or, as Q'uo suggested in this context, to follow our hearts and to follow the path of resonance) and probably largely ignoring them, despite knowing, that the original The Nine were/are the ones formerly known as Yahweh who have a "sincere and genuine desire to help" and to get positive information out there? Or is there a way to help others with something like a guideline to sift through the material in a sensible (and safe) manner?
Sidenote: Even more confusion on a Council of Nine (the first part is obviously about The Council of Saturn and The Confederation, but the second part... oh well).
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