01-06-2016, 04:48 AM
(01-06-2016, 03:47 AM)earth_spirit Wrote:(01-06-2016, 03:27 AM)Aion Wrote: I think it's a little insulting to suggest that every view of femininity comes from men
Okay, then what part comes from women? How many female leaders or philosophers are there in human history?
That a benign statement can be insulting has more to do with the reader than the writer.
Women have indeed been responsible in shaping tradional gender roles, but I don't think they created them.
(01-06-2016, 03:27 AM)Aion Wrote: that still seems like another attempt to play the blame game and point fingers ... I think any attempt to 'lay blame' is ultimately skewed and fruitless.
Of course. I'm not interested in laying blame.
My point is, these abstract labels are essentially meaningless, or can mean a lot of things if you want them to.
And yet, people are being shunned or subjected to violence for not conforming to them.
(01-06-2016, 03:27 AM)Aion Wrote: I'm also not one of those people who thinks everyone is gender-fluid
Me neither.
I don't think either gender 'created' them, I think they emerged out of conditions of life. I agree that they are empty in terms. I don't think that looking strictly to 'well known' philosophers or leaders really proves anything...
There are still many woman who enjoy and choose for themselves apparently 'feminine' traits so I can only conclude that there is some degree in which women do indeed identify with these things. Just like there are who identify more with traditional 'masculine' traits. These things don't make them 'more' or 'less' male or female than anyone else who might not choose such traditional values, just different types.