If you could ask Lucifer a question

[Ashim]

Well, I guess I had to ask at some stage.

What if Lucifer is really the 'light bringer', most people are confused by this term, what does it mean?

Your questions?

Love & Light

[JoshC]

Assuming H_H told, to his best ability, all truths,

"What's with the discrepancies between Ra's information and yours (H_H's)?" Like how Ra says there are 5th and 6th negative, but H_H disagrees...

[Ashim]

No one ever said there were no 5th and 6th density Negative entities.

If you have a specific question please feel free. I will do, as always my best to serve.

Love & Light

[JoshC]

The time we spend between lives in time/space, is intended to restore our Soul Energy from within, in order to continue our upward progression. They [Orion Empire] are essentially 'imprisoned' within the 4th Density Negative cycle, as there is no Negative Harvest beyond the 4th Density.

Why does H_H say there is no negative 5th or 6th harvest?

[ayadew]

Perhaps there is no defined negative harvest in 4th density negative, ie there is only one form of harvest - not a polar one. Thus there cannot be a "positive harvest" in 4th density, there simply is the "harvest".

Just an intepretation due to the limits of language

[haqiqu]

Well, I guess I had to ask at some stage.

What if Lucifer is really the 'light bringer', most people are confused by this term, what does it mean?

Your questions?

Love & Light

"Is the Light you brought to 3rd density humans the illumination of freedom of choice? Such that, once given choice, humans could choose positive or negative? STO or STS? Light or dark? to then move always closer to positive being, if we choose to?"

[Bring4th_Steve]

HH is a known STS entity, whom has been referenced in the past on Bring4th. This entity "talks the talk" about Law of One details, but suddenly backhands the reader with fear-based material and denial of certain truths, which creates confusion for the readers. Of course, confusion is not a derivative of Love. If you compare STO-based materials to STS-based info, you will not be able to resolve any conflicting statements since they are naturally opposite in polarity. This is the main reason why we ask Bring4th members to please not return to the path of comparing LOO to STS sources.

Let's please stick to Ashim's original topic about Lucifer as a "light bringer". If you wish to discuss HH, there are a lot of forums and blogs where you can find STS related info dealing with this very subject matter.

Thank you for your understanding of this forum policy!
Steve

[love everything]

Hello Ashim,

Wonderful words indeed:

"If you could ask Lucifer a question"

I did too and there it was...........One

I struggled with this for quite some time until I met the goddess of darkness, and yet there she is, the goddess of darkness always encouraging you, "come through me and ye shall have the goddess of light"..........It was then just then that I realised that Lucifer was indeed the "light bringer"......I really didn't like the answer at 1st then there it was again......One..........bliss

Thank you
Love Everything xxx

[Ashim]

Greetings friends,
just to back-step al little. The original intent of my question was based only on the Ra material.
Here is the quote. Sorry I don't know the session or question number.

Quote:

"Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment and also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn."

Love & Light

[litllady]

First, please excuse my continuance of the off topic-topic. I just want to be clear on what others are saying.

I was under the impression that Ra does support that after 6d there is no negative harvest because the path that is not will have to be abandoned. Going into 6d, there is a uniting of both paths...to where they can all merge together into the 7th having no between anymore.

Can someone posts a link that says there will be a negative harvest in 6d please and if there is support for this not being so...can someone help still?

Now further on topic...the light being...or can I say, all light beings? Anyone heard of the Shemsu Hor? They are known as the Shining Ones...sometimes called 'Horus's disciples. Then we also have ancient references to people that seemed to 'shine' like the sun. So first, I wonder if these beings are really ancient ones that looked different then us. Second, there is strong evidence that the word 'Lucifer' is a title that relates someone to 'venus' the shining luminary that seems to 'rise' and 'fall'. Third, some say Lucifer is like the brother of Jesus, that we need both polarities of the archetypes, both of them bringing forth a different side to the same coin. Could it be that Lucifer doesnt exist past our archetypical mind?

Saying all of that...the day we can embrace both paths...is the day we can embrace ourselves with love. When one can appreciate both the dark and the light for they both bring = needs for us to, is the day we start to mature in our spiritual nature. Seeing how both paths form us and create us, we can let go of regrets and see it all as needed.

Has anyone seen the moving 'Legion'? This movie helped me understand the love that lower entities may have for us can be very strong.

In the movie, the archangel Michael is given a 'task'. He is to terminate the human species. God had lost faith in man. Michael, however, had not. He refused the task, in which he fell to Earth. He stripped himself of his Divine Wings, and fought along side man against his own kind, the angels.

As heart wrenching as it may seem to 'refuse' God, I think we all know the Divine doesnt conduct Theeself in such ways. But besides that...the love story of Michael for man...reminded me of Lucifer and man.

If Lucifer, the fallen one, was a real being...I dont think its name is Lucifer, for that name seems to have a fairly recent origin.

My mother told me something odd, through her NDE. She said that when she went under the Sphinx, she saw pictures in stone of what seemed to be the 'angels' standing before a throned being, here on Earth. I asked her if she felt then that the story of the 'fallen' beings was true, what was her feeling on the image. She was not sure what her feeling was about it. What confused her is she was Michael, her guide that she was with, in these images...and she didnt consider Michael to be a 'fallen angel'. I then told her...mabey it wasnt a 'bad thing' that angels came here to Earth...mabey it was a good thing that man later made it out to be bad and evil.

I know I pose more questions then answers, but anywho...

[charlie2012]

After 6th density there is no negative or positive, we notice there is only one path. That is why the soul group Lucifer are here, to understand that although they want to be positively oriented beings they will serve us by being self-serving. They probably wont go to fourth density negative after completing their contract, but finally walk into the light of 7th density, as will we all one day.

But to be on-topic, i actually have no questions for Lucifer. I would like to thank them all for constructing the most beautiful world where free will is more abundant than ever through orchestration. I think that this is the first time in our universe (solar-system) that there has been a "hidden-hand" behind the scenes who have scripted a play and i must say it works very well. On venus, one could not be very STS if one wanted to, because the knowledge did not exist there. On mars, being STO was also very difficult. Here on earth, there are endless possibilities!

Love & Light!

[Ashim]

Here on earth, there are endless possibilities!

Love & Light!

You hit the nail on the head this time Charlie2012!
I think your observation is spot on, however I am not sure that they 'must' have their karmic restitution - that means an incarnation in 4D negative before they return to their rightful position as 6th density.

Love & Light

[Peregrinus]

I believe that Lucifer was referred to as a light bringer because the thought form of a negative entity helps many polarize towards the positive. Did I miss something?

I also believe there is no fourth density harvest because one simply ascends to the fifth when the "understanding" is attained. "Understanding", in this case, being that of the workings of creation. This goes for both positive and negative spirits.