The nature of overcoming.

[AnthroHeart]

Desire seems to be the only thing that can push us to 4d (the love of)

The choice is the only thing that pushes us to 4d. I'm not sure though how having desires helps with balance. I'd like to use the catalyst of 3D to get balanced, here where it's easier than in higher density.

[Cyan]

You need a desire for something to have choices beyond random noise, i think?

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I mean that if you have no desire then you always default to path of least resistance and thus random "mass" noise?

[AnthroHeart]

If our desire makes others uncomfortable, than is it no longer STO?

[JustLikeYou]

The only way to make the Choice with an unwavering heart is to truly desire to walk that path. You can't argue yourself or will yourself into STO. A strong mind is necessary in order to come to know the true contents of the heart, but the mind is not the master; the heart is. The Choice must be the result of a long series of experiences which exhaust your desire to live in a mixed (i.e. confused) vibration. Or, to put it another way, we leave 3D because we get tired of the kinds of things you can do here.

[AnthroHeart]

The only way to make the Choice with an unwavering heart is to truly desire to walk that path. You can't argue yourself or will yourself into STO. A strong mind is necessary in order to come to know the true contents of the heart, but the mind is not the master; the heart is. The Choice must be the result of a long series of experiences which exhaust your desire to live in a mixed (i.e. confused) vibration. Or, to put it another way, we leave 3D because we get tired of the kinds of things you can do here.

Very thoughtful. One must be mindful of their path. I like what you say last. Even though we don't overcome desires, we should not hold onto attachments that are of 3D. At least that's how I'm seeing it now.

[Patrick]

...we should not hold onto attachments that are of 3D. At least that's how I'm seeing it now.

I would be surprised if lots of people around here are holding on to 3d. It seems to me that we are all pretty much tired of 3d and more than ready to exit this insanity.

[JustLikeYou]

Funny thing about being here is that it is so easy to mistake the balance between two desires for one of the two extreme poles. Wanting to leave 3D can be a matter of weariness or it can be a matter of extreme attachment -- it all depends on the intention. For example, someone who cannot forgive himself may want to relieve himself of life, but this lack of forgiveness is actually an attachment to the goings on in 3D.

For my part, I love this place. Didn't we come here to boogie? To have fun? To enjoy this lush planet? The only times I feel like I'm a little tired of it are when my body can't keep up with my mind/spirit or when the monolithic baricade that is modern culture seems like an impenetrable prison.

[Patrick]

I love this place too. It's just that I am now aware of how it could be if we collectively chose to start implementing a 4d society. So I am longing for this. One more desire of mine.

[Patrick]

We may say that within your system of chakras, the will is a faculty which draws its resources from above, as it were, whereas the desire is a faculty or capacity or condition in which one experiences the energy being drawn up from below and in that capacity being shaped, or configured, or oriented in a certain way so that it has a certain subjective resonance to the seeker.

This explains some things for me.

Will is from above, desire is from below and they meet to create experience. The Creator experiencing Itself.

We give to this instrument the image of a balky child who is being urged along and tugged by the hand by an adamant mother. It can happen. As this instrument has offered itself as an example, and that sometimes therefore does happen, that the adamant mother has a very firmly formed intention and is pulling the child harder than the child feels it right to be pulled. So the child, in response, can go limp and make its presence known to the mother as a drag or a burden on the progress, so to speak.

Even so can the relationship between a balky desire and an adamant will sometimes be experienced. That this may be experienced suggests that the two dimensions of seeking are not always in perfect harmony or coordination. We would ask, therefore, that each should reflect upon the nature of will in relation to the nature of desire. When one beseeches the one Creator that, “Thy will and my will be one,” one has not yet necessarily spoken of desire, except implicitly. One is, as we have said earlier, planting a seed. That work is always work well done.

And we do encourage each to consider well the function of will in the development of the desire. For desire can take many forms and needs, itself, to be subject to the kind of discrimination that the faculty of will can bring into play.

There are two ways in which will may be applied to desire. Will may be applied to desire in a mode of pressure, either in a jerky fashion, by violently trying to direct desire, or by a gentle laying on of hands in a firm, yet steady direction.

Both of these may control desire to a very limited extent, but as we have expressed before, desire will do as it will. The will of the person may also be set aside for the moment. The mother does well to stop jerking on the child or pushing the child where the child does not want to go [and instead] listening to the child, for desire may know better than will. All too much, the will tries to force the desire instead of listening to the desire.

Allow the desire for a time to pull back on the will. This will allow some slack in the rope for play and would be more efficacious for the will if there is a respite and a resetting and an understanding between the two forces. Working in concert, rather than against each other, more may be done. There will be more work performed.

We would advise those seeking not to put too much emphasis on will and likewise not too much emphasis on desire. One does not have authority over the other but they must learn to work in concert as two dancers. Not two dancers where one forces the other into its steps, but one which leads and one which follows, also leading at other times.

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I find this quote so beautiful.

In this instance the diamond, its presence, was formerly unknown but exploration found this diamond. The diamond is found and he who found the diamond knew not what he would find but knew that the process of tunneling was necessary. The one who seeks the diamond is your Creator, and you, my friends, are the diamond who is forged by time and pressure to become something beautiful.

[AnthroHeart]

Will is from above, desire is from below and they meet to create experience. The Creator experiencing Itself.

I like what you say here. What can you say about people who have near death experiences of going to hell? They mention how they were consumed with desire during life. Or some of them committed suicide. How is it that some NDE's are blissful, and some are hellish? I wonder if this has to do with our view and beliefs.

Not sure if this is the place to post this question, but it has to do with desire and how it pertains to the afterlife.

[Spaced]

Will is from above, desire is from below and they meet to create experience. The Creator experiencing Itself.

I like what you say here. What can you say about people who have near death experiences of going to hell? They mention how they were consumed with desire during life. Or some of them committed suicide. How is it that some NDE's are blissful, and some are hellish? I wonder if this has to do with our view and beliefs.

Not sure if this is the place to post this question, but it has to do with desire and how it pertains to the afterlife.

I think those who experience a hell-like experience after the end of their physical vessel do so because they believed that they deserved to go to hell.

I read a book about past-life regressions and in one story the person under hypnosis recalls the death of a previous incarnation after which they experience a full on biblical hell experience. This went on until they realized that it wasn't real and that they were just creating it for themselves, at this point the hell faded away to the standard white light, conversation with a higher being, review of life experience.

[AnthroHeart]

You'll find out quickly what you believe. When you have negative greeting, you too find out who you call out to for help. I called out to God to rescue me from the black hole, that I think formed because I was progressing too fast. I believe Ra helped me too. But then I get the fear of Ra in some cases because it is written in the bible not to put other gods before God. My real belief is in the Ra material, but during that awakening, it didn't save me. My mind kept expanding, and I found the cross of Jesus was contracting my mind. So to keep my mind from expanding out of control, I had to focus on the cross. Then it would focus down too much, and I'd go back to the Ra material, and have Ra to help. One of my many hells was thinking I was headed to the sun and not graduating 6D, but having to live in 3D in the sun, with "Ra" that was supposedly made up. It was when Irony turned against me.

It got worse when I started feeling my body heating up, and thinking I was now headed to a Cataclysmic Variable star, which is way more intense than the sun. The mind makes up the worst possibilities. But then I told myself it wasn't real and that I create my own reality, and it stopped. When I had opened myself up through indigo, the negative entities could give much more personalized greetings. In mine, I was being punished for violating free will of entities within my own Universe.

So now I don't push myself as hard. I let Ra live in my heart, and I seek the One Infinite Creator. And slowly, very slowly I feel the energy increasing. It's quite comfortable.

Thanks Spaced. That was very informative. It eliminated a degree of fear I had.

[Patrick]

Will is from above, desire is from below and they meet to create experience. The Creator experiencing Itself.

I like what you say here. What can you say about people who have near death experiences of going to hell? They mention how they were consumed with desire during life. Or some of them committed suicide. How is it that some NDE's are blissful, and some are hellish? I wonder if this has to do with our view and beliefs.

Not sure if this is the place to post this question, but it has to do with desire and how it pertains to the afterlife.

From the NDEs I read, the negative ones were for teach/learning purposes. A catalyst like any other. Also, there are a lot of different 3d planes in the inner planes of 3d Earth (time/space). I seem to recall Ra talking about the lower astral being populated by STS thought forms. That would fit with the Christian hell IMHO.

[Shin'Ar]

I will simply meditate on past-life regression and see how my guidance-system nudges me on this subject.

valtor,

There are many including sages and gurus of great wisdom, who say that in order to evolve in our state of being we must resolve issues of past identities.

In fact there are so many references to such practice in so many teachings around the world that one would think there must be some validity to it.

But let us remember that there are also many other aspects of truth distilled throughout worldly culture that ist true meanings often go misunderstood.

is it really unusual for us to find that a certain teaching has some validity whereas some aspect of it does not?

Are you aware of Christianity? lol Talk about your hodgepodge porridge of intermingled teachings and faiths.

My point and advice to you is that maybe what the ancients are telling us is simply that past life is important to our progression in that as we experience them we progress. It was never meant to say that there was some need to somehow go back into the past, or to somehow connect with our past identity, in order to progress. But simply that in experiencing our past lives, and gainging the understanding that we managed in that identity, we can now benefit from that and progress in this one.

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