Who or what is our Sun?

[caycegal]

I believe Ra uses the term "Logo" to refer to our sun. I think there's a correlation to the Gospel of John, "In the beginning was the Word (Logo)." Is the Sun supposed to be a subGod, or an archangel, or what? Do we communicate with our sun? Do we pray to it? Does it care about us? Or does it set up a game board in which we are the pieces and simply watch us play the game? I get the impression from the Ra material that it is a conscious entity.

Would love to hear your ideas about this.

[Spaced]

The Sun is an aspect of the One Infinite Creator. All the matter in our solar system is made of stardust that has been and continues to be shaped the the Sun's gravity, magnetic field and the effects of solar wind. The Sun also determines the workings of the laws of physics and the template for the Archetypal Mind within our solar system.

This is my understanding

[kycahi]

I just talk to my higher self/guardian angel. If s/he wants to pass along my thoughts to a greater entity, it's okay with me. I do accept that our Sun is a very important being.

[Aaron]

These search results might help.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?q=sub+l...s=1&st=any

[neutral333]

Good Point.
dObviously there is something more to the sun than what we have been told. Ra chose the name knowing the connection it has to the sun. What is something different we can be told about the sun? We know about the physical/material importance of the sun, what about the spiritual.

[Conifer16]

well some of the people of Ra live on or in the sun, so it is a home. "best nuclear fusion viewing vacation homes in this quarter of the galaxy!" :-P

[Patrick]

Actually Ra said that our Sun is a sub-Logos. The milky way is our Logos and we ourselves are sub-sub-Logos.

[Shin'Ar]

In the quotes on the page posted by Austin Ra is adamantly evading the actual designation of some aspect of difference between logos and sub logos.

A logos is a field of consciousness, as we are all. A logos would be much more evolved and ancient.

there are many celestial bodies that no longer contain the field of consciousness that once used them and are now no different than the left over shell of the human form when its use is fulfilled.

Ra makes specific reference to this in this quote:

29.9 Questioner: Then the planet which we walk upon here would be some form of sub-sub-Logos. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. A planetary entity is so named only as Logos if It is working in harmonic fashion with entities or mind/body complexes upon Its surface or within Its electromagnetic field. UNQUOTE


This should suffice as evidence that a logos is a field of consciousness. A planetary body without that interacting consciousness it would no longer be a logos, which is precisely what Ra meant to express.

[Siren]

Is the Sun supposed to be a subGod, or an archangel, or what? Do we communicate with our sun? Do we pray to it? Does it care about us? Or does it set up a game board in which we are the pieces and simply watch us play the game? I get the impression from the Ra material that it is a conscious entity.

This galaxy itself is a Logos (the "central sun" being its core). All stars in this major galaxy are sub-Logoi of that Logos ("extensions," if you will). Planetary entities (such as this one) are sub-sub-Logoi.

To ask if this sun cares about you would be akin to asking if you care about yourself. You are not separate from it (nor are any of the planetary entities in this planetary system), you are most intimately related to your sun.

You may pray to your sun if you so deem appropriate. It is a conscious entity. As a Thought/Focus/Love it is—as all intelligent energy is—very much conscious. It's consciousness, however, is Logoic.

[Ankh]

Actually Ra said that our Sun is a sub-Logos. The milky way is our Logos and we ourselves are sub-sub-Logos.

Basically it is so. However, sometimes Ra also called our sun Logos.

[Bring4th_Austin]

In the quotes on the page posted by Austin Ra is adamantly evading the actual designation of some aspect of difference between logos and sub logos.

Twas Aaron


To respond to the OP, the primal functions of our sun as a sub-Logos are to choose the framework of the Archetypal Mind, as Spaced said, as well as to augment our evolution in various other ways. Ra never goes in depth about how our reality is affected by the sub-Logos, but some specific examples are choosing the form of our 3D body, supposedly granting us opposable thumbs so we may grasp physical tools, and encouraging our communication to be of the sound-vibratory nature rather than telepathic, both in order to intensify the veil.

Ra says that each subsequent Logos gains knowledge from every previous Logos' experiment, learning which archetypal systems and whatever other choices they make regarding our evolution are efficient or inefficient.

Ra also claims that the Logos does not know what sort of effects these choices will have on the existence they spawn, as they are all experiments. For instance, giving us opposable thumbs gave way to the ability to grasp weapons as tools, and created an unexpectedly bellicose existence for several of the planets in this system...this bellicosity has hindered evolution to a great extent. Also, with the very first implementation of the veil, it was "unimagined" that this might give rise to the Service to Self polarity.

Other than that, Ra themselves don't give many hints as to the actual beingness of our sub-Logos, what it experiences, what its the of evolution is like, and how it might affect our evolution after the initial framework for reality is chosen. I feel like the information given by Ra hardly scratches the surface of the concept of the Logos.

[Spaced]

If I were nerdy enough to use a Dungeons & Dragons analogy, which I am, I would say the Sun is the Gamemaster and we are the players. Together we create the story

[Plenum]

Other than that, Ra themselves don't give many hints as to the actual beingness of our sub-Logos, what it experiences, what its the of evolution is like, and how it might affect our evolution after the initial framework for reality is chosen. I feel like the information given by Ra hardly scratches the surface of the concept of the Logos.

I think the interesting point to observe is that we, as individual experiencers, are defined as sub-sub-Logos.

and contained within this is all the Infinity and Creative Prowess of the 'One Infinite Creator'. We are a universe unto ourselves, with all the potentials of distorted/undistorted behaviour at our fingertips.

when indigo ray is properly unlocked, the energy of the logos/cosmos becomes available for whatever purpose we choose. Do you think you have third eye activation? does the intelligent energy flow through your fingertips?

(rhetorical question)

[AnthroHeart]

Are all Logos black holes? Science says that at the center of every galaxy is a supermassive black hole.
Our Logos is 3 million solar masses.

[Siren]

Are all Logos black holes? Science says that at the center of every galaxy is a supermassive black hole.
Our Logos is 3 million solar masses.

The Logos is a Thought/Focus/Love, an energy nexus/vector, which tapping into and drawing from its own infinite reservoir of intelligent potential, produces the materia known as light. The Logos, more than being the brightness or darkness of that light, is rather its source.

Thus the Logos creates light. Through the various stages of Creation (from the onset of the white light and its subsequent prismatic refraction into the seven vibratory spectra, or densities), the Logos radiates and absorbs this light from and into itself. In this sense, you may contemplate the black hole is an inwardly-turned star whose light is being systematically absorbed. This is the final step before dissolving once again into the Allness of the One Infinite Creator.

[hogey11]

Doesn't the fractal concept apply perfectly here? Within each fractional portion you have an imprint of the whole?

[Bring4th_Austin]

I think the interesting point to observe is that we, as individual experiencers, are defined as sub-sub-Logos.

and contained within this is all the Infinity and Creative Prowess of the 'One Infinite Creator'. We are a universe unto ourselves, with all the potentials of distorted/undistorted behaviour at our fingertips.

when indigo ray is properly unlocked, the energy of the logos/cosmos becomes available for whatever purpose we choose. Do you think you have third eye activation? does the intelligent energy flow through your fingertips?

(rhetorical question)

Doesn't the fractal concept apply perfectly here? Within each fractional portion you have an imprint of the whole?

While we have the potentials of distorted/undistorted behavior at our fingertips, the hierarchical nature of the Logos system means that we must work within the system we are offered. Our own sun is offered the full and complete cosmic mind, and refines it into a particular pattern for us to experience. We further refine what is offered to us through the archetypal mind becoming co-Creators on our particular "level" of Logoic experience.

Who are we refining this experience for? Looking at this system in a fractal pattern, who are we a Logos for as our sun is a Logos for us? What sort of influence "trickles down" through our own refinements, and how is it further refined from that point?

Is there evolution happening on that level? Is there evolution happening on the level of our Sun? Is our evolution through what we perceive to be densities simply a unique factor of our "fractal stage?" Are other levels what we might perceive as "static," their own movements being unperceived from our vantage point?

[AnthroHeart]

Siren, how do neutron stars fit in then? They aren't dense enough to form a black hole, but they are the densest objects in the Universe known to science. When a star supernovas, is that that particular subLogos reaching 7th density? Or do neutron stars possess a consciousness? Are they stuck forever not able to collapse to a black hole?

[Spaced]

Siren, how do neutron stars fit in then? They aren't dense enough to form a black hole, but they are the densest objects in the Universe known to science. When a star supernovas, is that that particular subLogos reaching 7th density? Or do neutron stars possess a consciousness? Are they stuck forever not able to collapse to a black hole?

Neutron stars are stars that have reached the end of their lifespans but did not reach the mass necessary to become a black hole. In this way I suppose that the neutron star would then by the corpse of a logos, an empty vessel, and that the logos' consciousness may have transferred to a newly born star. at least that's what I was thinking

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Who are we refining this experience for? Looking at this system in a fractal pattern, who are we a Logos for as our sun is a Logos for us? What sort of influence "trickles down" through our own refinements, and how is it further refined from that point?

maybe we are the logoi for the cells in our bodies, or for the bacteria in our guts.

[AnthroHeart]

If two neutron stars collide, then they will become a black hole. So I'm not sure if it's the death of a Logos. So many questions. 4D will be amazing when we have access to universal knowledge.

[Ankh]

Are all Logos black holes? Science says that at the center of every galaxy is a supermassive black hole.
Our Logos is 3 million solar masses.

Questioner: Then the black hole would be a point at which the environmental material has succeeded in uniting with unity or with the Creator? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The black hole which manifests third density is the physical complex manifestation of this spiritual or metaphysical state. This is correct.

Questioner: I thought that I would make a statement and let you correct it. I’m trying to make a simple model of the portion of the universe that we find ourselves in. Starting with the sub-Logos, our sun, we have white light emanating from this which is made up of the frequencies ranging from the red to the violet. I am assuming that this white light then contains the experiences through all of the densities and as we go into the eighth density we go into a black hole which becomes, on the other side, another Logos or sun and starts another octave of experience. Can you comment on this part of my statement?

Ra: I am Ra. We can comment upon this statement to an extent. The concept of the white light of the sub-Logos being prismatically separated and later, at the final chapter, being absorbed again is basically correct. However, there are subtleties involved which are more than semantic.

The white light which emanates and forms the articulated sub-Logos has its beginning in what may be metaphysically seen as darkness. The light comes into that darkness and transfigures it, causing the chaos to organize and become reflective or radiant. Thus the dimensions come into being.

Conversely, the blackness of the black hole, metaphysically speaking, is a concentration of white light being systematically absorbed once again into the One Creator. Finally, this absorption into the One Creator continues until all the infinity of creations have attained sufficient spiritual mass in order that all form once again the great central sun, if you would so imagine it, of the intelligent infinity awaiting potentiation by free will. Thus the transition of the octave is a process which may be seen to enter into timelessness of unimaginable nature. To attempt to measure it by your time measures would be useless.

Therefore, the concept of moving through the black hole of the ultimate spiritual gravity well and coming immediately into the next octave misses the subconcept or corollary of the portion of this process which is timeless.

[native]

Since Ra left Venus, can we assume they are a part of the sun?

[zenmaster]

Since Ra left Venus, can we assume they are a part of the sun?

That's their expression and identity is seems now.

[Ashim]

The sun is not what most people think it is. It's a gateway, not so much a 'place' like we are used to imagining.
You can't give your address as a location on or in the sun. That does not make sense.
To get places faster you don't travel through space like we attempt in 3d, but through the suns or stars. Light travel.

[Aaron]

Since Ra left Venus, can we assume they are a part of the sun?

That's their expression and identity is seems now.

I agree with you that it is their "expression and identity" as you put it. The sun/sub logos seems to be their current base of seeking or holder of their vibration.

However, there is this to consider about their current location as we are experiencing time here on earth... from 14.4:

Therefore, this was not pursued further. There was a landing approximately 3000 of your years ago also in your South America, as you call it. There were a few attempts to aid your peoples approximately 2300 years ago, this in the area of Egypt. The remaining part of the cycle, we have never been gone from your fifth dimension and have been working in this last minor cycle to prepare for harvest.

[Ankh]

Other than that, Ra themselves don't give many hints as to the actual beingness of our sub-Logos, what it experiences, what its the of evolution is like, and how it might affect our evolution after the initial framework for reality is chosen. I feel like the information given by Ra hardly scratches the surface of the concept of the Logos.

78:20: You may fruitfully view each Logos and its design as the Creator experiencing Itself.

65:17: You may begin to see your relationship to the Logos or sun with which you are most intimately associated. This is not the relationship of parent to child but of Creator, that is Logos, to Creator that is the mind/body/spirit complex, as Logos.

41:4: In relationship to intelligent infinity, the sun body is, equally with all parts of the infinite creation, part of that infinity.

In relation to the potentiated intelligent infinity which makes use of intelligent energy, it is the offspring, shall we say, of the Logos for a much larger number of sub-Logoi. The relationship is hierarchical in that the sub-Logos uses the intelligent energy in ways set forth by the Logos and uses its free will to co-create the, shall we say, full nuances of your densities as you experience them.

In relationship to the densities, the sun body may physically, as you would say, be seen to be a large body of gaseous elements undergoing the processes of fusion and radiating heat and light.

Metaphysically, the sun achieves a meaning to fourth through seventh density according to the growing abilities of entities in these densities to grasp the living creation and co-entity, or other-self, nature of this sun body. *Thus by the sixth density the sun may be visited and inhabited by those dwelling in time/space and may even be partially created from moment to moment by the processes of sixth-density entities in their evolution*.

13:16: Each step recapitulates intelligent infinity in its discovery of awareness. In a planetary environment all begins in what you would call chaos, energy undirected and random in its infinity. Slowly, in your terms of understanding, there forms a focus of self-awareness. Thus the Logos moves. Light comes to form the darkness, according to the co-Creator’s patterns and vibratory rhythms, so constructing a certain type of experience. This begins with first density which is the density of consciousness, the mineral and water life upon the planet learning from fire and wind the awareness of being. This is the first density. [Sometimes Ra calls Logos for co-Creator or Love or primal mover or great activator]

There is much, much more that Ra said about our sun, or Logos/sub-Logos/co-Creator than this though...

[native]

They do seem to represent the sun.

[AnthroHeart]

Ra is living in the sun in time/space, but what about in 6D space/time? Or do they not need to be in the physical by 6D?
In 6D, space/time, the sun is still doing it's fusion so I don't think you could live there in space/time in any density.

I wonder if wanderers of Ra are still part of the social memory complex, except that they are veiled. And that Ra knows what each of their members is thinking or writing.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Other than that, Ra themselves don't give many hints as to the actual beingness of our sub-Logos, what it experiences, what its the of evolution is like, and how it might affect our evolution after the initial framework for reality is chosen. I feel like the information given by Ra hardly scratches the surface of the concept of the Logos.

78:20: You may fruitfully view each Logos and its design as the Creator experiencing Itself.

65:17: You may begin to see your relationship to the Logos or sun with which you are most intimately associated. This is not the relationship of parent to child but of Creator, that is Logos, to Creator that is the mind/body/spirit complex, as Logos.

41:4: In relationship to intelligent infinity, the sun body is, equally with all parts of the infinite creation, part of that infinity.

In relation to the potentiated intelligent infinity which makes use of intelligent energy, it is the offspring, shall we say, of the Logos for a much larger number of sub-Logoi. The relationship is hierarchical in that the sub-Logos uses the intelligent energy in ways set forth by the Logos and uses its free will to co-create the, shall we say, full nuances of your densities as you experience them.

In relationship to the densities, the sun body may physically, as you would say, be seen to be a large body of gaseous elements undergoing the processes of fusion and radiating heat and light.

Metaphysically, the sun achieves a meaning to fourth through seventh density according to the growing abilities of entities in these densities to grasp the living creation and co-entity, or other-self, nature of this sun body. *Thus by the sixth density the sun may be visited and inhabited by those dwelling in time/space and may even be partially created from moment to moment by the processes of sixth-density entities in their evolution*.

13:16: Each step recapitulates intelligent infinity in its discovery of awareness. In a planetary environment all begins in what you would call chaos, energy undirected and random in its infinity. Slowly, in your terms of understanding, there forms a focus of self-awareness. Thus the Logos moves. Light comes to form the darkness, according to the co-Creator’s patterns and vibratory rhythms, so constructing a certain type of experience. This begins with first density which is the density of consciousness, the mineral and water life upon the planet learning from fire and wind the awareness of being. This is the first density. [Sometimes Ra calls Logos for co-Creator or Love or primal mover or great activator]

There is much, much more that Ra said about our sun, or Logos/sub-Logos/co-Creator than this though...

Bear with me here.

Are these quotes related specifically to the information I felt was lacking, or are they supplementary?

Perhaps you could expand on your understanding of how these particularly might answer these questions.

For instance, I'm guessing you might have been saying that some of these help shed light on the beingness of our sun as Logos:

78:20: You may fruitfully view each Logos and its design as the Creator experiencing Itself.

In my current understanding of it, this comment, with regards to how it helps us further understand our Sun, is shallow. In my opinion we can view each entity and event, whether an experiencer or provider of experience, as the Creator experiencing Itself. I feel like this quote could be applied to nearly all of creation beyond just our Sun. This conceptualization does not help me understand our Logos any more than it may help me understand the spider hanging out in the corner of my room (I've named him Stefan). Is there perhaps something more behind this quote you see that perhaps I do not?

65:17: You may begin to see your relationship to the Logos or sun with which you are most intimately associated. This is not the relationship of parent to child but of Creator, that is Logos, to Creator that is the mind/body/spirit complex, as Logos.

This again to me is shallow and does not expound upon the true nature of our sun as Logos nor our relationship to it, but simply hints that the relationship may be seen as more significant than that of parent and child, and then simply defines some terminology. Within this quote Ra does not specifically tell us exactly how this relationship is significant, but rather simply that it is significant. I would not complain that Ra would allow us to discover the significance of this relationship on our own, but please share if you feel that Ra's words here tell more than I am seeing. Of course I would be interested on any intuitive notions spurred from these words, but in this context I'm more interested in what Ra themselves are revealing to us. In my current understanding of it, this quote is, as I said, barely scratching the surface.

41:4: In relationship to intelligent infinity, the sun body is, equally with all parts of the infinite creation, part of that infinity.

Again, is this not something that could also be said of Stefan the Spider?

In relation to the potentiated intelligent infinity which makes use of intelligent energy, it is the offspring, shall we say, of the Logos for a much larger number of sub-Logoi. The relationship is hierarchical in that the sub-Logos uses the intelligent energy in ways set forth by the Logos and uses its free will to co-create the, shall we say, full nuances of your densities as you experience them.

This is what I felt I was describing in my post which you quoted. Using intelligent energy to create the full nuances of our experience being the layout of our archetypal mind and our 3rd density body complex form. Are you aware of any other direct descriptions of the nuances of our experience offered by our Sun as Logos?

In relationship to the densities, the sun body may physically, as you would say, be seen to be a large body of gaseous elements undergoing the processes of fusion and radiating heat and light.

I'm pretty sure we have figured that one out without Ra

Metaphysically, the sun achieves a meaning to fourth through seventh density according to the growing abilities of entities in these densities to grasp the living creation and co-entity, or other-self, nature of this sun body. *Thus by the sixth density the sun may be visited and inhabited by those dwelling in time/space and may even be partially created from moment to moment by the processes of sixth-density entities in their evolution*.

Again, this seems to me to be saying that the meaning of the Logos is more significant than perceived, and not how it is more significant that perceived. So in fourth through seventh density we are much more able to appreciate the beingness and true nature of our Sun, yet when we are striving to understand it in third density, what good does this information do us? I don't fret that our ability to grasp the nature of the sub-Logos is limited from our standpoint. However, it seems you feel there is more to what Ra is saying here...how does this information, in itself without intuitive augmentation, help our understanding of the Sun?

What I am left wondering after studying Ra's words on the Logos are as I stated: what is the true nature of its beingness? What or how does it experience? Our own evolution being of mind/body/spirit through the densities, what is the evolution like of a sub-Logos as Logos? And after the initial framework of our existence is chosen, how does the sub-Logos consciously affect our evolution?

I do appreciate your effort to shed some light on these questions through providing these quotes, but I need your help in understanding how they might answer these questions.

[Ankh]

I do appreciate your effort to shed some light on these questions through providing these quotes, but I need your help in understanding how they might answer these questions.

Sorry brother, but I don't have the needed time for the moment, as in less than 9 hours I will begin a journey which final destination will be your beautiful country. =)

But how about we take these questions and we contemplate them and discuss them *together* at say a bonfire in say... one week or so while seeing each other?