The nature of overcoming.

[Patrick]

I have been contemplating the nature of what it means to overcome, as meant by Ra, for a long time now. I am still mostly unable to grasp the meaning of it when it comes to everyday life.

What does it mean to you?

For reference, I have this quote in mind.

18.5 Questioner: Thank you. I have a question here that I will read: “Much of the mystic tradition of seeking on Earth holds the belief that the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world ignored for the individual to reach ‘nirvana,’ as it is called, or enlightenment. What is the proper role of the individual self and its worldly activities to aid an individual to grow more into the Law of One?”

Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.

The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One; this preserving the primal distortion of free will.

The reason it is unwise to overcome is that overcoming is an unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming thus creates the further environment for holding onto that which apparently has been overcome.

All things are acceptable in the proper time for each entity, and in experiencing, in understanding, in accepting, in then sharing with other-selves, the appropriate description shall be moving away from distortions of one kind to distortions of another which may be more consonant with the Law of One.

It is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any desire. It must instead be understood and accepted. This takes patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with compassion for self and for other-self.

IMHO the "in this density" part is extremely relevant to the discussion I would like to have in this thread.

Thank you my friends!

[Plenum]

question: do you have any desire that you are unwilling to fulfill, either in practice or imagination?

even the most taboo thought or fantasy.

if you are unwilling to entertain it, you are ignoring/overcoming it.

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as a side note, a lot of bizarre desires are keyed to blockages. So examining what one considers 'strange wants' can help backtrace the source of the blockage. By not dealing with the blockage, one is perpetuating it.

ie, this is just another example of the general approach of examining and observing one's mental chamber, and learning to understand and then accept all that passes through it.

[Patrick]

question: do you have any desire that you are unwilling to fulfill, either in practice or imagination?

even the most taboo thought or fantasy.

if you are unwilling to entertain it, you are ignoring/overcoming it.
...

Actually, I am not ignoring my desires and I am trying to experience each one of them.

But what happens with those desires that are contradicting each others?

E.g.: You desire to be less overweight and you also desire to eat when hungry (while being hungry most of the time).

This is but one example of the dilemmas I face everyday.

Ra did speak about balancing our desires, but that is still unclear to me when it comes to everyday living here in 3d.

[Spaced]

question: do you have any desire that you are unwilling to fulfill, either in practice or imagination?

even the most taboo thought or fantasy.

if you are unwilling to entertain it, you are ignoring/overcoming it.
...

Actually, I am not ignoring my desires and I am trying to experience each one of them.

But what happens with those desires that are contradicting each others?

E.g.: You desire to be less overweight and you also desire to eat when hungry (while being hungry most of the time).

This is but one example of the dilemmas I face everyday.

Ra did speak about balancing our desires, but that is still unclear to me when it comes to everyday living here in 3d.

That's where you run in to this archetype, Transformation of the Mind


Where you have these conflicting desires a choice has to be made clearly in favour of one or the other if you wish to move forward.

[Plenum]

But what happens with those desires that are contradicting each others?

E.g.: You desire to be less overweight and you also desire to eat when hungry (while being hungry most of the time).

This is but one example of the dilemmas I face everyday.

Ra did speak about balancing our desires, but that is still unclear to me when it comes to everyday living here in 3d.

hey Patrick, I don't mean to be patronising, but there is a solution to your specific problem.

let me tell you my own story about food.

I might have mentioned before that my dad was a chinese chef, and that for most of my growing up years, he ran his own takeaway shop. He worked long hours, but the consequence was that we got to eat well

what he cooked for us was not the stuff he served up as chinese takeaway; it was more traditional, and based on thousands of years of Chinese people experimenting with optimum blends of ying/yang energies in foods.

so food was not an issue for my first 18 years. It was just transparent, and worked. It was healthy and satisfying.

but after my 'spiritual awakening' I thought I would re-invent the wheel, and change everything about my life, including food. So I dabbled with vegetarianism, veganism, fruitarianism, Atkins, etc, etc. Nothing was satisfying. Some left me tired. Some left me hungry. Some left me restless.

it was an issue of technique. I just hadn't found the optimum diet to suit this particular physical complex's needs. You might have read about blood type diets, about ectomorphic diets, etc etc. Everyone has their set of parameters in which they will function very well.

As it turns out, many traditional/indigenous diets strike a very strong balance between health, energy, longevity, and climactic conditions. That is a good place to begin investigating.

some people feel a strong draw towards a meat-free diet, and spiritually mentally and physically, it is absolutely perfect for them. I have noticed that many converts convert early in life. It calls out to them. Others have a different balance.

[Patrick]

@Spaced
So then choosing one conflicting desire over another is not overcoming one of the two ? It's not ignoring one of the two?

@Plenum
"there is a solution to your specific problem"
I'm not sure I saw the solution in your post. I too have tried so many diet styles. The only one that has somewhat worked so far is low-carb and very heavy on meat.

The other thing is I also desire to share the same diet my GF is eating. In a past relationship, we were not eating the same diet and this was truly a strain on the relationship.

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Anyway, does it really comes down to choice? There is no way to balance these desires ?

Plus this example is just one of many. I am more interested in the nature of overcoming in general. What does it mean that "nothing shall be overcome" in third density ? We do this work in higher densities ?

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Thanks to your blog Plenum. I found this.

Group question: Our question this week has to do with desire. We would like to know what it is to balance desire. A lot of times we think we know what we want. We think we understand that if we had a certain ability or a certain thing we would be able to function more efficiently. We would be more whole. We would be more balanced. And then when we do achieve that it turns out to be other than what we thought. We would like Q’uo to give us information about working with our desires. How do we determine what we really want rather than what we think that we want?

[Patrick]

...Be sure that when you use the mind you use it as you would any tool or resource. Be sure that you do not allow the mind to use you. For, as we said, the mind of the physical vehicle has a life of its own, and it can and it will drive your consciousness to distraction if you allow the mind to race away with you. It is a good tool. It is a poor, poor master. Rather, we would suggest that you come to the working with desire from the heart because the heart is that point within the energy system of the body wherein the one infinite Creator dwells and awaits the reaching of the hopeful heart. It is as though that which you most keenly desire with your spirit and your soul is already within you, more yours than your breathing or your heartbeat, closer to you than your own bones and flesh, so that the judgment and analysis and understanding that you have within you and can apply to questions that you have about desire are in place, waiting for you to achieve the quietness and confidence of self, to turn to them and to allow them their full sway.

Whether a seeker decides to get this car or that computer or that larger tent in a very important way makes almost no difference in the spiritual life of the seeker that makes these choices. But when you move into the area of desires for qualities, for truth, for higher spiritual capacity, then you are beginning to work with desires that are very helpful in terms of acceleration of your spiritual self, the moving forward of that process of the evolution of the spirit for which you took flesh in the first place. When next you have these desires for things or for qualities gaze at them from a secure and restful place from within your own heart, knowing that you have all that you need if you are one with the infinite Creator, yet knowing that you dance the dance of life. And while you are moving through the steps of this beautiful and intricate dance, desires shall arise and may well be satisfied. Know that this is a not only accepted but protected activity, that you have not cast yourself into the outer reaches of foolishness simply because of desire. For it is your nature and your glory to desire, but what shall you desire? There is always the choice...

[Plenum]

Thanks to your blog Plenum. I found this.

hey, that's so cool that a keyword search for 'desire' returned 3 distinct sessions. neato!!

[JustLikeYou]

The balancing exercise has two distinct parts:

1. You experience, examine, feel, grasp the emotion. You let it become distinct so you can see all of its features.
2. You look within yourself for its opposite, that is, the emotion which contradicts it, as you described. Then you repeat the process for this emotion.

The emotions push us towards actions, but they need the ratification of the will in order for any action to manifest. Those with weak will ratify all emotions, hence their actions contradict. The balancing exercises foster a strong will through awareness. When you become aware of what it is you feel and why you feel what you feel, when you become aware of the motivations for your actions especially during the actions themselves (this is called "catching yourself in the act"), then you give your will the necessary information to choose which direction it wants to go. This is where the choosing that Spaced mentioned comes into play: if you learn that one of your desires is STO and the other is STS, then you know which one you want to encourage. To encourage a desire is to act on it. To discourage a desire is to allow itself to play out in your mind and then release the experience as satisfactory, or, even better, to see exactly why and how it is not an appealing prospect to manifest the desire.

Most importantly, however, the purpose of the balancing exercises is to release attachments, regardless of the content of the emotion. When we have conflicting desires, it is because we are attached to some aspect involving them. For me, the attachment was always a bias about what is "right" and "wrong". Thus, I have attachments to desires which align with certain social norms. But I also have attachments to desires which directly conflict with social norms. This is because telling yourself "you can't have that experience" causes you to want the experience, even if your heart does not truly desire it. If I can let go of the notion that I must abide by social norms, the desire to break the rules just for the sake of breaking the rules will fall away, just as will the desire to follow the rules. So the more you tell yourself "I need to have X eating habits," the more you will want to break that rule. Rather, if you observe exactly how you feel when you engage in your various dietary experiments, you will learn which feelings you want to encourage (by repeating the action) and which feelings you want to discourage (by ceasing the action). For my part, I have reduced the sugary foods in my diet, not by imposing a rule upon myself, but by observing that I do not like giving into the emotions that make me want to eat them and I do not like the effects they have on my body.

[Shin'Ar]

The balancing exercise has two distinct parts:

1. You experience, examine, feel, grasp the emotion. You let it become distinct so you can see all of its features.
2. You look within yourself for its opposite, that is, the emotion which contradicts it, as you described. Then you repeat the process for this emotion.

The emotions push us towards actions, but they need the ratification of the will in order for any action to manifest. Those with weak will ratify all emotions, hence their actions contradict. The balancing exercises foster a strong will through awareness. When you become aware of what it is you feel and why you feel what you feel, when you become aware of the motivations for your actions especially during the actions themselves (this is called "catching yourself in the act"), then you give your will the necessary information to choose which direction it wants to go. This is where the choosing that Spaced mentioned comes into play: if you learn that one of your desires is STO and the other is STS, then you know which one you want to encourage. To encourage a desire is to act on it. To discourage a desire is to allow itself to play out in your mind and then release the experience as satisfactory, or, even better, to see exactly why and how it is not an appealing prospect to manifest the desire.

Most importantly, however, the purpose of the balancing exercises is to release attachments, regardless of the content of the emotion. When we have conflicting desires, it is because we are attached to some aspect involving them. For me, the attachment was always a bias about what is "right" and "wrong". Thus, I have attachments to desires which align with certain social norms. But I also have attachments to desires which directly conflict with social norms. This is because telling yourself "you can't have that experience" causes you to want the experience, even if your heart does not truly desire it. If I can let go of the notion that I must abide by social norms, the desire to break the rules just for the sake of breaking the rules will fall away, just as will the desire to follow the rules. So the more you tell yourself "I need to have X eating habits," the more you will want to break that rule. Rather, if you observe exactly how you feel when you engage in your various dietary experiments, you will learn which feelings you want to encourage (by repeating the action) and which feelings you want to discourage (by ceasing the action). For my part, I have reduced the sugary foods in my diet, not by imposing a rule upon myself, but by observing that I do not like giving into the emotions that make me want to eat them and I do not like the effects they have on my body.

wiser words were never spoken!

well, probably, but always by very wise people, lol.

This is what Ra is saying in a nutshell,(wonder what that analogy means),

to understand our emotions we must make the effort to be in control of them. And being in control does not mean denying an aspect of them, it means discerning the consequences of allowing one specific emotion to be the one which we actually experience, as opposed to the one we cast off as a result of our imaginary 'discerning' of the experience that it would subject us to.

many times in our lives we will find ourselves giving in to particular emotions without indepth consideration of why we feel that way or why we allow ourselves to feel that way.

The choice is always ours, and yet we often just fall right into an emotional state without even discerning why. emotions are far too often irrational, ill conceived, and spontaneous.

First impulses and first impressions we know are wrong. And yet we often enable such quickness in reaction to stimuli and catalyst with regard to our emotions.

When we face a problem that makes us respond immediately with anger, instead of attempting to discern whether or not we should actually be angry, or what the future consequence of such a response will be, we tend to just go with the spontaneity of the moment and then accept that our emotional response must therefore be rational and deserving. And so we allow that anger to build and become the mainstay for that situation, even defending it further as the players in the circumstance try to explain.

the anger overrides and deafens us to rationale now and becomes a thing to hold tightly to rather than cast off as our mistake.

How many times have we found ourselves in argument with an other only to later find resolution and wish that we had handled that differently in hind sight?

Emotion is the trigger finger of expression and feeling, and if we allow it, that gun will pop off at every little bump in the road.

Discernment of and understanding all of the emotions that could be expressed/felt in a situation, is the solution to that trigger finger going off unnecessarily.

I think that in this case Ra is utilizing overcome as a synonym to conquer. whereas we engilsh speaking folk might tend to interpret overcome as succeeding.

Ra is pointing pout that we are not to conquer our emotions by ignoring or avoiding them, because it is necessary to experience each in order to discern which is the best emotion to achieve a beneficial end.

This human experience is for us to learn about emotion throiu8gh discernment, and discover the various aspects of love and how it relates to other aspects.

"The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away."

[Patrick]

...To encourage a desire is to act on it. To discourage a desire is to allow itself to play out in your mind and then release the experience as satisfactory, or, even better, to see exactly why and how it is not an appealing prospect to manifest the desire...

Excellent! Thank you very much my friends. This is really helpful.

[Meerie]

Patrick, I know I said that before but I really think a pastlife regression could help you on that issue, identify the root of it and thus dissolve it.... If you go to Dolores Cannons website you can find hypnotists who trained with her. There should be some in your area as well. Sorry I cannot link it here :-)

[TheInfinite1]

Any desire, no matter how odd it is labeled, is the same if ignored/overcame.

Many of the desires which do not seem to spring from love and compassion can express blockages in the energy centers. E.g. addiction can be seen as a blockage in the orange ray center dealing with personal habits.

There is imbalance when a desire isn't met as the desire and satisfaction of meeting the desire is a complete circle. A desire can be either met by experiencing it or it may be balanced in the Mind.

[Patrick]

Interesting, pride seems to be central to the concept of balancing desires.

...Pride as it interacts with natural desires is as the cancer which takes over natural cells and begins multiplying them without stint. Growth, desire is considered an excellent thing but prideful growth in the form of the cancerous tumor can kill the organism which experiences it. So we would say that perhaps it might be useful to think of the desires that one has, asking oneself whether the pride is stirred up in the expressing of this desire, whichever one that the seeker is considering

This is subtle work, but as each desire comes forward the mind may entertain it, gazing at it to find those places where prideful will has puffed up the importance of obtaining that which one desires...

...The instinct of the seeker is often to [fight] against the way the experience is going, to desire a change, whereas the deeper desire of the self may well be to experience loss, limitation or some difficulty. We would ask you then to think of your desires as those things which are natural and good in their essence.

However, because the illusion is thick and because there is the veil drawn between the conscious mind and the unconscious mind many times it seems impossible to embrace that which is occurring, even though the deep mind does indeed embrace this seemingly negative situation. The task of the seeker is simply to place the self within the fire and allow the catalyst to burn away that pride of self which suggests that the desirerer knows the way to purify desire. You have within you the capacity for great faith and we may suggest that one way to exercise this capacity and so enlarge it is to reflect, when faced with that which one does not desire, with the quiet mind which is willing to open the hand and say “Here is all I feel. Teach me what is the pure desire and what is the husk and chaff of pride.”...

...There are words that aid in the gradual working away at that pride which says “I know better.” Words such as “surrender,” “allow,” “accept.” These are words of health when used carefully. We suggest that a great tool to use in working with pride is kindness towards the self. You are within an illusion which insists that you begin with impure and cluttered emotions.

All the wisdom and passion that there is lies within, yet because the spiritual child is young it is clumsy and awkward. It feels so much love and yearning and wishes so much to be more comfortable, more light and spirit-filled. Yet we say to you that the path that is appropriate for each, no matter how wise, who comes into incarnation is the path of impure and confusing desires and it is within this puzzling atmosphere of emotion and thought within which each is intended to do the work and find the learning within the incarnation. The Creator to be found is found here, within that sea of confusion and prideful desire that mask the rightful and pure emotion that is hunger and thirst for truth, love, and for beauty.

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Patrick, I know I said that before but I really think a pastlife regression could help you on that issue, identify the root of it and thus dissolve it.... If you go to Dolores Cannons website you can find hypnotists who trained with her. There should be some in your area as well. Sorry I cannot link it here :-)

I believe this would defeat the purpose of me being here veiled as I am. I would then need to retake these lessons in yet another 3d incarnation.

[βαθμιαίος]

I believe this would defeat the purpose of me being here veiled as I am. I would then need to retake these lessons in yet another 3d incarnation.

It's your decision, of course, but I don't see it that way. If we can heal imbalances from previous incarnations, I believe they're healed forever. It's a matter of accepting our full self.

[Patrick]

I believe this would defeat the purpose of me being here veiled as I am. I would then need to retake these lessons in yet another 3d incarnation.

It's your decision, of course, but I don't see it that way. If we can heal imbalances from previous incarnations, I believe they're healed forever. It's a matter of accepting our full self.

Then why veil our previous incarnations ?

[βαθμιαίος]

To give us free will, but the veil is not a brick wall. It's semi-permeable and can be lifted, and that's by design.

79.21 Questioner: The first change made then for this extension of free will was to make the information or make the communication between the Matrix and Potentiator of the Mind relatively unavailable one to the other during the incarnation. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. We would perhaps rather term the condition as relatively more mystery-filled than relatively unavailable.

[Patrick]

Thank you Meerie and Tobey.

I guess that if I do not feel good about doing this, then maybe it's not in my best interest at this time. Or maybe it's just a catalyst like any other and I should experience it.

[βαθμιαίος]

Yeah, definitely, if you don't feel good about it don't force it. It might be interesting to sit with the discomfort some, though. Maybe you could investigate the response you're experiencing and see what you can uncover about it.

Personally, I'm leery of past-life regressions, too.

It's interesting that Don did regressions of many people but wasn't (I believe) able to undergo the process himself.

[Ruth]

I have found a time or two that my lesson was that I could reject the lesson.

I'd say trust your own inner guidance.

[Spaced]

I'd say trust your own inner guidance.

Always excellent advice

[Meerie]

Yeah, definitely, if you don't feel good about it don't force it. It might be interesting to sit with the discomfort some, though. Maybe you could investigate the response you're experiencing and see what you can uncover about it.

Personally, I'm leery of past-life regressions, too.

It's interesting that Don did regressions of many people but wasn't (I believe) able to undergo the process himself.

It is not scary or anything at all, I can assure you. Your higher self will make sure you are safe and nothing will come up that you wouldnt be able to handle :-)
But I am kinda biased anyways cuz I love Dolores Cannon and her books and the past life regression I had, led by one of her students, was one of the personal highlights for me last year.
So please disregard me as I am highly subjective :-P

[AnthroHeart]

I once did an interim-life regression (between lives), and saw cartoon characters and outer space.

[Spaced]

Yeah, definitely, if you don't feel good about it don't force it. It might be interesting to sit with the discomfort some, though. Maybe you could investigate the response you're experiencing and see what you can uncover about it.

Personally, I'm leery of past-life regressions, too.

It's interesting that Don did regressions of many people but wasn't (I believe) able to undergo the process himself.

It is not scary or anything at all, I can assure you. Your higher self will make sure you are safe and nothing will come up that you wouldnt be able to handle :-)
But I am kinda biased anyways cuz I love Dolores Cannon and her books and the past life regression I had, led by one of her students, was one of the personal highlights for me last year.
So please disregard me as I am highly subjective :-P

The idea of past-life regression has always been a part of my spiritual framework since my father has been heavily involved in exploring his past lives since I was young and used to tell me stories about them all the time (which as a young skeptic I always took with a rather large grain of salt). He's always found it to be an excellent way of dealing with emotional and even health problems in his current life.

I've only made one attempt at past life regression and I just got a tiny little glimpse. Just me looking down at sandalled feet on sand feeling really sad about the loss of a daughter.

[Patrick]

I will simply meditate on past-life regression and see how my guidance-system nudges me on this subject.

[Confused]

Then why veil our previous incarnations ?

Probably to have an easier time too, in terms of not loathing ourselves and others. All the undiluted memories of the pain, the injustices, despicable deeds, disappointments, etc, of the past incarnations, even if coupled with the joys and the beauty, may be too much of an overload causing an entity to lose control over its conscious mind and/or impulses.

The following quote, though not on the matter at hand, may serve to illustrate a point related, in a round about fashion.

18.11 Questioner: Did this entity, then, even though he intellectually understood the Law of One, misuse it and have to go through this healing process?

Ra: I am Ra. This entity became, may we use the vibration sound complex, overstimulated with the true nature of things. This over-stimulation resulted in behavior that was beyond the conscious control of the entity. The entity thus, in many attempts to go through the process of balancing, as we have described the various energy centers beginning with the red ray and moving upwards, became somewhat overly impressed or caught up in this process and became alienated from other-selves. This entity was positive. However, its journey was difficult due to the inability to use, synthesize, and harmonize the understandings of the desires of self so that it might have shared, in full compassion, with other-selves. This entity thus became very unhealthy, as you may call it, in a spiritual complex manner, and it is necessary for those with this type of distortion towards inner pain to be nurtured in the inner planes until such an entity is capable of viewing the experiences again with the lack of distortion towards pain.

[caycegal]

Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.


The reason it is unwise to overcome is that overcoming is an unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming thus creates the further environment for holding onto that which apparently has been overcome.

My take on this is influenced by my study of the Abraham material. When I resist or fight something, I add energy to it, and help it to grow. For example: we declare war on drugs, and gradually drugs become a huge part of our reality because of the tremendous amount of energy pumped into that which is being fought.

This is why Mahatma Gandhi was able to break the British Empire - he did not fight it or try to overcome it.

According to Abraham, whatever we focus on or give attention to grows and increases in our experience. Whatever we fight or resist likewise grows and increases in our experience. Therefore, if we want peace, love and joy we must focus on, think about, practice, imagine, peace love and joy.

In my Psychology 101 class in college we learned that any reinforcement works, whether positive or negative, to increase a behavior. Same principle. Punishment increases a behavior as well as praise, in other words. You can't punish something into non-existence. You can create what you want by focusing on that thing.

[Patrick]

...On the horizon, the sun starts to rise. The glow in the east becomes more and more seen by the eye. First the sky, from its darkened state, begins to mellow into very soft color that is almost imperceptible, a very dark indigo. It lightens to a bluish color, and furthermore into oranges. And yet the sun still has not risen above the horizon. But one can feel it just below the arc of the Earth.

And when that sun is at its last possible [point], before it is seen, there is a sudden transition. If one has been blessed enough to see a sunrise, [you know that there is] the time when there is no sun and then suddenly, as though an explosion, the sun appears where there was no sun, peeking up above the horizon. We would say this is like desire.

Desire is resting beneath the horizon of your Earth and shows its signs without appearing, and when it is ready it will pop into existence.

The seeker can do little about this. It will come when it will come. You cannot encourage the sun to rise, any more than you can push it back down under the horizon. As with the sun, [desire] will travel across the sky, and it will peak, and then it will dip down again. It may disappear for some time and the seeker may feel, “I have lost my desire,” but we assure you the sun still exists. Just because [or even though] you cannot see it, it is still there, my friends.

As with the cycle of the adept, as this group has mentioned during this weekend, a sine wave of peaks and crests, of valleys and balances, there is a cycle to desire as well. The desire will come back around again as the sun does...

That's an interesting perspective on desire.

Anyway, thanks to you fine people, I am now at least able to be at peace with my desires.

[AnthroHeart]

...On the horizon, the sun starts to rise. The glow in the east becomes more and more seen by the eye. First the sky, from its darkened state, begins to mellow into very soft color that is almost imperceptible, a very dark indigo. It lightens to a bluish color, and furthermore into oranges. And yet the sun still has not risen above the horizon. But one can feel it just below the arc of the Earth.

And when that sun is at its last possible [point], before it is seen, there is a sudden transition. If one has been blessed enough to see a sunrise, [you know that there is] the time when there is no sun and then suddenly, as though an explosion, the sun appears where there was no sun, peeking up above the horizon. We would say this is like desire.

Desire is resting beneath the horizon of your Earth and shows its signs without appearing, and when it is ready it will pop into existence.

The seeker can do little about this. It will come when it will come. You cannot encourage the sun to rise, any more than you can push it back down under the horizon. As with the sun, [desire] will travel across the sky, and it will peak, and then it will dip down again. It may disappear for some time and the seeker may feel, “I have lost my desire,” but we assure you the sun still exists. Just because [or even though] you cannot see it, it is still there, my friends.

As with the cycle of the adept, as this group has mentioned during this weekend, a sine wave of peaks and crests, of valleys and balances, there is a cycle to desire as well. The desire will come back around again as the sun does...

That's an interesting perspective on desire.

Anyway, thanks to you fine people, I am now at least able to be at peace with my desires.

Yeah, desires won't keep us in 3D like I had assumed from that other thread.

[Cyan]

...On the horizon, the sun starts to rise. The glow in the east becomes more and more seen by the eye. First the sky, from its darkened state, begins to mellow into very soft color that is almost imperceptible, a very dark indigo. It lightens to a bluish color, and furthermore into oranges. And yet the sun still has not risen above the horizon. But one can feel it just below the arc of the Earth.

And when that sun is at its last possible [point], before it is seen, there is a sudden transition. If one has been blessed enough to see a sunrise, [you know that there is] the time when there is no sun and then suddenly, as though an explosion, the sun appears where there was no sun, peeking up above the horizon. We would say this is like desire.

Desire is resting beneath the horizon of your Earth and shows its signs without appearing, and when it is ready it will pop into existence.

The seeker can do little about this. It will come when it will come. You cannot encourage the sun to rise, any more than you can push it back down under the horizon. As with the sun, [desire] will travel across the sky, and it will peak, and then it will dip down again. It may disappear for some time and the seeker may feel, “I have lost my desire,” but we assure you the sun still exists. Just because [or even though] you cannot see it, it is still there, my friends.

As with the cycle of the adept, as this group has mentioned during this weekend, a sine wave of peaks and crests, of valleys and balances, there is a cycle to desire as well. The desire will come back around again as the sun does...

That's an interesting perspective on desire.

Anyway, thanks to you fine people, I am now at least able to be at peace with my desires.

Yeah, desires won't keep us in 3D like I had assumed from that other thread.

Desire seems to be the only thing that can push us to 4d (the love of)