which was the third influence?

[Plenum]

in this passage here, Don asks about where entities have come from that populated the earth.

there are 3 MAJOR INFLUENCES, and 13 Minor Ones.

91.14 Questioner: How many different planets have supplied the individuals which now inhabit this planet?

Ra: I am Ra. This is perceived by us to be unimportant information, but harmless. There are three major planetary influences upon your planetary sphere, besides those of your own second-density derivation, and thirteen minor planetary groups in addition to the above.

going back into the material, I can deduce that TWO of these groups are Maldek and Mars (both planets within our solar system, and both who destroyed their own 3rd density conditions).

I am baffled as to the identity of the THIRD?

[Patrick]

The third is Earthlings. About 25% of humans are native Earth beings harvested from 2d.

[Bring4th_Austin]

The third is Earthlings. About 25% of humans are native Earth beings harvested from 2d.

Would make sense, but Ra specifies "besides those of your own second-density derivation." That means there is one more.

[Patrick]

The third is Earthlings. About 25% of humans are native Earth beings harvested from 2d.

Would make sense, but Ra specifies "besides those of your own second-density derivation." That means there is one more.

didn't see that.

Then my guess would be the Elites from the Hidden Hand material.

[BrownEye]

89.28 Questioner: What was Ra’s average total population incarnate on Venus in third density?

Ra: I am Ra. We were a small population which dwelt upon what you would consider difficult conditions. Our harvest was approximately 6 million 500 thousand mind/body/spirit complexes. There were approximately 32 million mind/body/spirit complexes repeating third density elsewhere.

While looking, I found this to be of interest as well.

89.39 Questioner: I just can’t understand why they would think that a planet that was doing as well as the population of Venus was doing as far as I can tell would need Wanderers in order to help with the harvest. Was this at an early point in Ra’s third density?

Ra: I am Ra. It was in the second cycle of 25,000 years. We had a harvest of six out of thirty, to speak roughly, millions of mind/body/spirit complexes, less than 20%. Wanderers are always drawn to whatever percentage has not yet polarized, and come when there is a call. There was a call from those which were not positively polarized as such but which sought to be positively polarized and sought wisdom, feeling the compassion of other-selves upon Venus as complacent or pitying towards other-selves.

This may explain some of the interactions that we see, but do not understand. Mostly taken in the wrong way.

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30.14 Questioner: Thank you. Can you give me a brief history of the metaphysical principles of the development of each of our planets that surround our sun, their function with respect to the evolution of beings?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall give you a metaphysical description only of those planets upon which individual mind/body/spirit complexes have been, are, or shall be experienced. You may understand the other spheres to be a part of the Logos.

We take the one known as Venus. This planetary sphere was one of rapid evolution. It is our native earth and the rapidity of the progress of the mind/body/spirit complexes upon its surface was due to harmonious interaction.

Upon the entity known to you as Mars, as you have already discussed, this entity was stopped in mid-third density, thus being unable to continue in progression due to the lack of hospitable conditions upon the surface. This planet shall be undergoing healing for some of your space/time millennia.

The planet which you dwell upon has a metaphysical history well known to you and you may ask about it if you wish. However, we have spoken to a great degree upon this subject.

The planet known as Saturn has a great affinity for the infinite intelligence and thus it has been dwelled upon in its magnetic fields of time/space by those who wish to protect your system.

The planetary entity known to you as Uranus is slowly moving through the first density and has the potential of moving through all densities.

[βαθμιαίος]

Deneb?

10.15 Questioner: I was wondering about the advent of the civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria, when these civilizations occurred, and where did they come from?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the last question of this working. The civilizations of Atlantis and Lemuria were not one but two. Let us look first at the Mu entities.

They were beings of a somewhat primitive nature, but those who had very advanced spiritual distortions. The civilization was part of this cycle, experienced early within the cycle at a time of approximately 53,000 of your years ago. It was an helpful and harmless place which was washed beneath the ocean during a readjustment of your sphere’s tectonic plates through no action of their own. They set out those who survived and reached many places in what you call Russia, North America, and South America. The Indians of whom you have come to feel some sympathy in your social complex distortions are the descendants of these entities. Like the other incarnates of this cycle, they came from elsewhere. However, these particular entities were largely drawn from a second-density planet which had some difficulty, due to the age of its sun, in achieving third-density life conditions. This planet was from the galaxy Deneb.

21.28 Questioner: ...Then in the second 25,000 year major cycle was there any great civilization that developed?

Ra: I am Ra. In the sense of greatness of technology there were no great societies during this cycle. There was some advancement among those of Deneb who had chosen to incarnate as a body in what you would call China.

[Patrick]

Deneb makes sense.

[BrownEye]

13 minor I would assume are from other star systems.

[Unbound]

We seek within.

[Ashim]

1. Lucifers planet - Maldek/Malona/The Silver Tongued
2. Mars - caught up in the same drama.
3. Venus - where the time/space healing took place

If there is a narrative then this would be my interpretation.

The 13 others would represent the ruling bloodlines on the planet.
Just my guess.

[Cyan]

3 + 1 (observer)

13 - 1 (observer)

and we end with

4 basic truths (the core earth level, also the 4 petals of the root chakra, symbolized as interactions of 4)

12 archtypes + observer

So, space/time is 3+1 and time/space is 13-1

12 is 6 archtypes from 2 major polarities each also being a form of "density" as viewed in terms of how "deep" once process is.

So ,3 major influences and 13 minor influences.

Not sure if it matches up but its what i've been thinking about

[Siren]

Roughly 50% were/are from the planet Mars. Approximately 25% natives to this Earth (that is, graduates from 2D to 3D). And the remaining 25% from various other sources/planets.

I take this remaining 25% as being primarily of Maldekian and Denebian "descent" (and remember, Deneb is a star system of planets—not a planet). And within this remaining 25%, I'd say perhaps a 5% (?) pertains to the 13 other minor planetary influences.

Take into consideration that some of the entities from Maldek "downgraded" from 3D to 2D for a some space/time, so they aren't necessarily experiencing a 3D experience as the rest.

It should also be noted that those entities native to this Earth begun their 3D cycle here, whilst those "transplanted" from elsewhere merely continue/d their 3D experience here (the latter were "re-cycled," and are not to be confused with "wanderers").

[Ashim]

I'm gonna stick by my guns.
Venus is her name.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giQ_SwN7lz8

[3DMonkey]

Just some famous numbers from the mind. Three- interesting that you can't find the third- like mystery, or shall I say spirit?

Here's a 3
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keter

Here's a 13
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl...n%27s_Cube

[Tenet Nosce]

Well, we have three groups of pyramid builders, one in south/central America, one in Egypt, and one in China.

We know from the material that the Egypt group originated from Venus, and the China group from Deneb. I don't recall any specific indications about the America group...? I guess that leaves Maldek/Mars by default.

Incidentally... isn't this the same group which was first on Maldek, then Mars, then Earth?? Or am I misremembering?

[βαθμιαίος]

I think the pyramid builders were all sixth density and probably not from Mars, Maldek, or Deneb, which were all given as third (or second) density planets that became uninhabitable for one reason or another. One sixth-density race worked with those of Atlantis (not China); the others, like you say, worked with those of Egypt and South/Central America.

[Tenet Nosce]

I think the pyramid builders were all sixth density and probably not from Mars, Maldek, or Deneb, which were all given as third (or second) density planets that became uninhabitable for one reason or another. One sixth-density race worked with those of Atlantis (not China); the others, like you say, worked with those of Egypt and South/Central America.

Whoops, yes I see that now in the quotes on Deneb!