The act of eating is a service.

[Diana]

I consider All There Is to be other-self. The self in 3d is unimaginably limited, the rest of self that we call other-self is infinite.

Would you also say that ALL is evolving?

[Patrick]

I consider All There Is to be other-self. The self in 3d is unimaginably limited, the rest of self that we call other-self is infinite.

Would you also say that ALL is evolving?

Yes it's the nature of light/love itself. It's spiraling upward (evolving) always. i.e. crystals are evolved minerals.

[Diana]

Would you also say that ALL is evolving?

Yes it's the nature of light/love itself. It's spiraling upward (evolving) always. i.e. crystals are evolved minerals.

I agree. Positing that ALL is evolving, then would you say the choices we make have an impact on evolution in general, even evolution of ALL?

And do you think, since ALL is evolving, that even the densities are not static, and subject to evolution, or at least, change?

[Patrick]

I agree. Positing that ALL is evolving, then would you say the choices we make have an impact on evolution in general, even evolution of ALL?

All of our interactions have an impact on evolution, including of course our choices. All the impacts it has, even just breathing air, are not possible for us to know. This density is not of knowing, even subjectively. This IMHO is important to grasp. The purpose of 3d is not of knowing, but of testing the strength of your acceptance or the strength of your resolve to control. Of course, wanderers have other reasons to be here.

And do you think, since ALL is evolving, that even the densities are not static, and subject to evolution, or at least, change?

Yes, before entities were complex, the nature of the densities was the same as it is now, but their purpose has since evolved somewhat. The Logoi experiences and this experience becomes their harvest and their nature.

[Diana]

I agree. Positing that ALL is evolving, then would you say the choices we make have an impact on evolution in general, even evolution of ALL?

All of our interactions have an impact on evolution, including of course our choices. All the impacts it has, even just breathing air, are not possible for us to know. This density is not of knowing, even subjectively. This IMHO is important to grasp. The purpose of 3d is not of knowing, but of testing the strength of your acceptance or the strength of your resolve to control. Of course, wanderers have other reasons to be here.

And do you think, since ALL is evolving, that even the densities are not static, and subject to evolution, or at least, change?

Yes, before entities were complex, the nature of the densities was the same as it is now, but their purpose has since evolved somewhat. The Logoi experiences and this experience becomes their harvest and their nature.

Okay. So if all choices have an impact on evolution, and even the densities themselves evolve, then it is reasonable to assume that choices have an impact on the evolution of densities.

The two paths you mention above--acceptance and control--are fairly simple. But I think there is more to it than that. There is evolution to consider. Let's take the idea of eating to demonstrate:

An individual can look out at this world and see that food is provided in certain ways, meat from factory farms for example, and accept that it is done so.

Or, one can see factory farms and understand out of compassion that they are cruel, and seek to control the situation by becoming an activist.

I see a 3rd scenario. An individual can look at the factory farms, decide he/she does not want to participate or contribute to them out of compassion, and seek to actively participate in the evolution of humans and food by envisioning something better. The envisioning could include sharing information with no attachment to outcome, yet still holding the vision. By choosing to hold a vision one contributes to evolution.

We can be passive observers in this game of life, and that's fine. We can vibrate with life and vision and participation (as those of Ra did by answering a call), and create big vibrations for "the creator." This is hard for me to put into words. But I do see a difference between passivity and purpose. Purpose does not equal control, necessarily, and passivity does not equal acceptance necessarily.

I think our choices do matter in how and what we eat. They matter beyond our service to self in nourishing our bodies. Choices that contribute to a better future aren't necessary; things can be "all is well" as they are; but not for me. And I don't see it as control, I see it as evolution.

[Shin'Ar]

I agree. Positing that ALL is evolving, then would you say the choices we make have an impact on evolution in general, even evolution of ALL?

All of our interactions have an impact on evolution, including of course our choices. All the impacts it has, even just breathing air, are not possible for us to know. This density is not of knowing, even subjectively. This IMHO is important to grasp. The purpose of 3d is not of knowing, but of testing the strength of your acceptance or the strength of your resolve to control. Of course, wanderers have other reasons to be here.

And do you think, since ALL is evolving, that even the densities are not static, and subject to evolution, or at least, change?

Yes, before entities were complex, the nature of the densities was the same as it is now, but their purpose has since evolved somewhat. The Logoi experiences and this experience becomes their harvest and their nature.

Okay. So if all choices have an impact on evolution, and even the densities themselves evolve, then it is reasonable to assume that choices have an impact on the evolution of densities.

The two paths you mention above--acceptance and control--are fairly simple. But I think there is more to it than that. There is evolution to consider. Let's take the idea of eating to demonstrate:

An individual can look out at this world and see that food is provided in certain ways, meat from factory farms for example, and accept that it is done so.

Or, one can see factory farms and understand out of compassion that they are cruel, and seek to control the situation by becoming an activist.

I see a 3rd scenario. An individual can look at the factory farms, decide he/she does not want to participate or contribute to them out of compassion, and seek to actively participate in the evolution of humans and food by envisioning something better. The envisioning could include sharing information with no attachment to outcome, yet still holding the vision. By choosing to hold a vision one contributes to evolution.

We can be passive observers in this game of life, and that's fine. We can vibrate with life and vision and participation (as those of Ra did by answering a call), and create big vibrations for "the creator." This is hard for me to put into words. But I do see a difference between passivity and purpose. Purpose does not equal control, necessarily, and passivity does not equal acceptance necessarily.

I think our choices do matter in how and what we eat. They matter beyond our service to self in nourishing our bodies. Choices that contribute to a better future aren't necessary; things can be "all is well" as they are; but not for me. And I don't see it as control, I see it as evolution.

And though I agree with you on the outlook I am not sure I can state that this is the way that the human should or shouldn't think.

I think there is something at the core of being human that has more to do with our apathy toward certain matters than mere choices and observations/understandings. I don't know exactly what that means, but I sense that it is there. Instinct? Primal genetic coding? I don't know.

But if we consider the truth of what you say and it's logic, do we not have to apply such to everything? What you suggest has farther reaching implications than mere dietary choices.

Many of us now already make choices about not eating tuna because of the dolphins, not wearing furs because of the abuse, etc.

But are we ready to stop driving our cars to work? Are we ready to stop using our refrigerators? How far are we prepared to lower our standard of living for the sake of compassion?

There are far too many issues for us to adopt them all and expect to continue living in a 'civilized' world.

Great compassion requires great sacrifice.

If you are willing to move into a cave, eat nothing but water and air, and never so much as rub your skin off, let alone take a step, than it might be possible to say that you are a fully compassionate being.

otherwise we must be selective about our priorities.

Some will choose not to eat meat.

Others may find that a secondary priority to their choice not to kill plantlife, leaving them no other choice but to eat meat instead.

It is not so much the choices that matter, as does the way we implement how we apply the mechanics of our choices.

If we choose to eat meat, how do we attain it and will we be conscious of how we affect other beings in the process, or will we be totally apathetic toward it?

Now that is a matter of choice.

Is that how the human goes about their priorities? absolutely not!

Why? Desensitization.


Move forward! The same I can say to the world at large.

It's all about magnetism; the drawing together, or attraction of, one thing to another. Be it fields of consciousness, planets, gravity, or dimensions, there is a naturally designed attraction that is behind the entire process of 'creation experiencing itself'. And when we realize this as individuals, we can use that knowledge to benefit us, and our humanity as well. And as a species we can also apply such knowledge to improve and evolve our existence globally, even universally.

For one simple example, consider what changes to our planet might occur if we should make use of the knowledge of magnetic attraction for the purpose of transporting our vast populations around the planet. In Shanghai, the magnetic levitation propulsion mass transit system has been in use and hugely successful. What if we were to get rid of all the pavement, replace it with parks and farmland, and relieve ourselves of our reliance on oil? Imagine a world free from the entanglement of paved ribbons that now choke the face of the planet. Imagine a world free of the pollution from internal combustion engines, and free from the struggle to acquire oil.

Think about the benefits of using magnetism to vastly alter our world. Surely the expenses involved would more than be worth it in the end. Building the infrastructure for a magnetic levitation system could be easily paid for alone by the money we would save from military interventions over oil related instances around the world. We will spend billions upon billions of dollars to support military operations, and spend fortunes tending to those countries that supply the oil, and yet, we cannot seem to figure out that if we spent a small portion of that money a little differently, all of that other hassle would be eliminated.

Seems so simply logical, doesn't it? If this does not convince you that something 'strange' is afoot, than I cannot get through to you.

The ancients knew all about the connection between magnetism and the human experience; between the vibratory frequency of the human design and the harmonic balance of creation, and all about ascendance and transcendence. Many of their monuments and legends are testaments of this magnetic harmony and inter-dimensional experience.

All I can do is tell you that there is a reality about magnetism/vibration/frequency that surrounds you in every aspect of your life, that some may call quantum physics, magic, occult, or supernatural, but it is as natural as the air you breathe, and just as important to your ability to evolve. It is up to you to figure out why this truth remains such a 'mystery'.

Many thoughts abound speaking of ways of enhancing one's life, which runs the gamete from, accessing your creative spirit for enhancing your material environment, where such proponents claim one can make themselves wealthy and prosperous by 'positive thinking', to another aspect of spirituality involving the accessing of some aspect of one's higher self for the purpose of ascending immediately into Nirvana, some place of heavenly bliss.

In between these two, and throughout this process of accessing and moving from physical to spiritual, we find the manifestations of those processes in religion and philosophy. And this has become the human experience.

[Patrick]

Okay. So if all choices have an impact on evolution, and even the densities themselves evolve, then it is reasonable to assume that choices have an impact on the evolution of densities.

The two paths you mention above--acceptance and control--are fairly simple. But I think there is more to it than that. There is evolution to consider. Let's take the idea of eating to demonstrate:

An individual can look out at this world and see that food is provided in certain ways, meat from factory farms for example, and accept that it is done so.

Or, one can see factory farms and understand out of compassion that they are cruel, and seek to control the situation by becoming an activist.

I see a 3rd scenario. An individual can look at the factory farms, decide he/she does not want to participate or contribute to them out of compassion, and seek to actively participate in the evolution of humans and food by envisioning something better. The envisioning could include sharing information with no attachment to outcome, yet still holding the vision. By choosing to hold a vision one contributes to evolution.

We can be passive observers in this game of life, and that's fine. We can vibrate with life and vision and participation (as those of Ra did by answering a call), and create big vibrations for "the creator." This is hard for me to put into words. But I do see a difference between passivity and purpose. Purpose does not equal control, necessarily, and passivity does not equal acceptance necessarily.

I think our choices do matter in how and what we eat. They matter beyond our service to self in nourishing our bodies. Choices that contribute to a better future aren't necessary; things can be "all is well" as they are; but not for me. And I don't see it as control, I see it as evolution.

I think I understand what you mean Diana.

Regarding the choices we make, there is always a question of priorities, because we can't have it all. We all have our priorities and those of us wishing for a better world (a better experience here on 3d Earth) have their own vision and priorities in how to achieve that goal.

Beliefs are also chosen. Within the sets of belief I chose to align with, if there was a belief that my stopping to eat meat would actually help improve the way animals are treated, I would stop.

[Patrick]

...
otherwise we must be selective about our priorities.
...

Would you believe it if I told you that I did not read your post before replying to Diana? Synchronicity my friend!

[Shin'Ar]

...
otherwise we must be selective about our priorities.
...

Would you believe it if I told you that I did not read your post before replying to Diana? Synchronicity my friend!

I saw that! lol

[omcasey]

Within the sets of belief I chose to align with, if there was a belief that my stopping to eat meat would actually help improve the way animals are treated, I would stop.

I haven't read the full thread, my apologies, Valtor..

I am just wondering if you are taking a first step toward this.. meaning not participating in the eating of animals you know to be mistreated, such as those which are factory farmed and could be labeled as 'conventional'. We know organically raised farm animals, such as chickens, cows, etc.. are fed a more natural diet, graze opening, and are not given growth hormones which dramatically reduce the quality of their life.. If you are eating meat(s) are you eating/supporting those which you have researched and found to be raised more organically? I don't feel there is anything wrong with eating meat.. my perspective stems more toward health and happiness, of the animal and people kingdoms alike. My being deals more with transitions and transitional ideas, than with static points; which in and of themselves are never in actuality complete, there is always and inevitably a new level / depth of awareness we are moving toward. If only we would consistently cognize it.


Casey

[Patrick]

Within the sets of belief I chose to align with, if there was a belief that my stopping to eat meat would actually help improve the way animals are treated, I would stop.

...If you are eating meat(s) are you eating/supporting those which you have researched and found to be raised more organically?...

Hello Casey,

Yes I do give my support when an opportunity is available. I must admit it is hard to come by where I live. So I eat wild game when I can.

But mainly, I focus on what I believe is the root cause of the maltreatment and a whole host of other issues. That is to say our use on Earth of the concept of money. I created a website that is just in alpha test release right now to make available a parallel system where a resource-based economy can function in cooperation with a money based economy, giving humans a viable alternative to money and a way to make a transition.

Here is the link: http://rbeportal.com/Home/About

[omcasey]

Hi Valtor..

This is wonderful, and not something just anyone would think of or dive into. If you gave your mind to contemplating this matter somewhat more regularly, I've no doubt you would continue drawing even more to you in the way of opportunity. It exists in every moment, as we know, opening ourselves to it more consistently yields very well for us. I will enjoy being here as more indeed begins coming through. The most wondrous things come through open doorways; we are portals to each other.


Casey

[Patrick]

...If you gave your mind to contemplating this matter somewhat more regularly, I've no doubt you would continue drawing even more to you in the way of opportunity...

Thank you my friend. Yes indeed I believe the time is right for me to work more on the website. I received offer for help and some good ideas. I will direct more of my energies to this endeavor. You are not the only person to have mentioned this very recently.

[BrownEye]

My mother called me today to tell me that someone on the news said organic food does not have as many nutrients as non organic foods.

The dumbing down has been successful.

[omcasey]

Only were it irreversible and permanent would this actually be so what opening into more accurate understanding did you supply for your Mom when she said this?

Now this would be worth hearing, and worth continuing on.

[Patrick]

Cool avatar Pickle.

[BrownEye]

Only were it irreversible and permanent would this actually be so what opening into more accurate understanding did you supply for your Mom when she said this?

Now this would be worth hearing, and worth continuing on.

My mother knows about organic foods. She is wheelchair bound arthritic. After less than a year with me she gained more movement, dropped taking anything for pain, lost some weight, and the relatives were asking her why she looked younger suddenly.

She hated living under a different roof with different rules, and also didn't like having to deal with our diet. Very quickly after she moved back with my sister she noticed an "unclean" feeling, her pain started to come back, and she quickly gained her weight back. She continually brings up wishing she could change her diet, but my sister has control of that.

Cool avatar Pickle.

I'm trying to figure out what kind of emotions I want to evoke in others LMAO!

[Patrick]

Cool avatar Pickle.

I'm trying to figure out what kind of emotions I want to evoke in others LMAO!

Well that guy has a "WTF!?" expression.

[Patrick]

Here's a good scientific article on consensus.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2719747/

...In science consensus is irrelevant. What are relevant are reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period...

...It is indeed hard to disagree with Mr. Crichton. The historical track record of scientific consensus is nothing but dismal. Many examples can be cited, but there are some classical ones. Nicholas Copernicus and his follower, Galileo Galilei, experienced the effects of consensus when they advanced theories that planet Earth was not the center of the Universe...

No consensus may be a good thing .

[Diana]

Regarding the choices we make, there is always a question of priorities, because we can't have it all. We all have our priorities and those of us wishing for a better world (a better experience here on 3d Earth) have their own vision and priorities in how to achieve that goal.

Yes, I understand. We must have priorities, because there is so much to do and so much more that can be done.

And yet, there is another way to look at it instead of prioritizing (which still needs to be done for tasks/actions). That is, in every choice, every decision, one stops for a moment to ask one's self, is this my highest best for myself and for the all. It sounds like a tall order, and yet, one can have that mindset. It doesn't mean that one is in constant worry over the right decisions. It means, when faced with a meal, for instance (self-prepared, a host's meal, or a restaurant) one simply chooses the foods that are derived from the most respectful and harmonious sources. If I go to a friend's house for dinner, I never request special food, I simply eat the foods that have not been associated with cruelty (that I know of).

Beliefs are also chosen. Within the sets of belief I chose to align with, if there was a belief that my stopping to eat meat would actually help improve the way animals are treated, I would stop.

I respect your beliefs. I have to admit, however, the belief that you don't contribute to the way animals are treated while supporting an industry which treats animals badly, does not make sense to my logical mind. Perhaps you could explain further?

[Patrick]

...

Beliefs are also chosen. Within the sets of belief I chose to align with, if there was a belief that my stopping to eat meat would actually help improve the way animals are treated, I would stop.

I respect your beliefs. I have to admit, however, the belief that you don't contribute to the way animals are treated while supporting an industry which treats animals badly, does not make sense to my logical mind. Perhaps you could explain further?

What I have come to realize is that our logical mind is part of the veil. It's part of the illusion of separation. It tells us that it's either/or, when in reality it's both/and. That is why there are no paradox in reality. Since I realized this, I've been able to accept seemingly contradictory viewpoints as both being true at the same time.

So I think we are both right. You believe it is eating meat that supports maltreatment of animals and I believe it is the concept of money (i.e. greed) that supports maltreatment of animals. You chose to not eat meat and I chose not to use money. Of course that didn't go so well for me. The time is not right, but we are getting there.

So you see we both believe to be doing the "right" thing. And I'm sure we both are.

[BrownEye]

In 3D there actually is "separation" as part of the experiment. To imagine that we are not in 3D is kind of avoidance of 3D.

I will post a childrens explanation that I put up on DI.

The Mysterious Everything flows in bite sized chunks (literally) through life, from one living thing to another living thing to another living thing, and so on and so on, but not forever. ("Energy's One Way Trip"). Matter also flows through life, but in this section we are only talking about energy.
This flow of energy is transported through the animals by a system biologists call the food chain.

energy on land moves from plant to animal to animal in bite sized chunks. For almost all animals, the energy that allows them to "keep on going" comes from the sun. But animals can't get energy directly from the sun (except sometimes for warmth). They need help. In the ocean, that help comes from a whole bunch of little tiny greenish critters (organisms might be the word more sophisticated sources would use) called phytoplankton (or photoplankton?).
Phytoplankton do for ocean animals what the green plants on land do for the land animals. They make themselves into food for everyone else.
Isn't that thoughtful?

Yup, they are the ones (pretty much the only ones in the ocean) that turn sunlight and carbon and oxygen into glucose and other simple sugars (by a process called photosynthesis) and other molecules that animals can eat. From this tiny but very numerous beginning the sun's energy begins its progression up through the food chain.

But as the energy moves up the food chain from phytoplankton to animal to animal there is less and less of it available for animals to use (see the previous section on Energy Flow through Plants and Animals).

Because there is less and less energy to go around as it moves through the animal food chain, there are less and less animals; and even though some of the animals get pretty big, the total mass and weight of those animals is much less than the total mass and weight of the Primary Producers. The little Primary Producers in the oceans have to keep busy - not just busy making carbohydrates from sunlight, but also busy reproducing themselves. The typical life span of one of these little phytoplankton critters is just 1 to 5 days. So we need them to stay focussed, stay numerous, and keep busy, busy, busy. All other living things depend on them.

Black bears and brown bears are in our omnivorous club. And pigs we think. Can you think of any others?
I can't think of anything better than being an omnivore. We can be either primary or secondary consumers. It's so empowering!

I can't think of anything more empowering than being similar to a bear or pig. LMAO!

http://www.ftexploring.com/me/pyramid.html

[Patrick]

In 3D there actually is "separation" as part of the experiment. To imagine that we are not in 3D is kind of avoidance of 3D.
...

“All, all of you players, each other-self, whatever your hand, I love you.”

I'm not avoiding 3d, I'm ascending it.

[BrownEye]

Dear ones, what is the goal? Is it to be healthy and, at the same time, honor God? Most would say, "Yes." All right, it's time for some spiritual logic. Question: Where did we establish that God was? Answer: The creator is inside you. So how do you honor that divine plan that is inside you? The answer is to stay alive as long as you can! It's to hold your light on the planet as long as you can. So how can I give one dietary "should" to all of you who are so unique and different? For that matter, how could anyone give a generic instruction about one "correct diet" to such a vast array of different Human body types? Yet they do.

Here's the answer: Inside each of you there's something called innate. Innate is "body intelligence". Innate is the energy of body consciousness you use when you do "muscle testing" [kinesiology]. Innate knows what's happening at the very cellular level of your own body, which you do not know. Innate is the consciousness of your DNA itself. It's the ultimate source for your own "body awareness".

Innate knows about something called Akashic inheritance. This is the knowledge of who you used to be in past lives. All your dietary needs, to stay alive longer with health, are based on a cellular structure that knows what it wants and needs, and it "needs" what it is used to, dear ones.

It doesn't matter who you are or where you live. If you have arrived on this planet from a past lifetime in India, you're going to want to eat like an Indian - even if you are in Montana! If you had spent lifetimes in Asia, and today you're from Brooklyn, you might still want to eat like an Asian. Your chemistry "remembers" and craves what it feels will satisfy efficient digestion and health.

Your Akashic inheritance is far stronger than you give it credit for. Past life energies are NOT in the past! They are a quantum energy of your spiritual makeup that is current and something you carry around as part of your "whole self" this time around. They affect you!

The body will tell you that very thing, if you ask it. Your cellular structure will cry out for those things that you are used to, and will make your body relax and be comfortable with the chemistry it is used to. If you are new to this culture and spent the last five lifetimes in another one, don't be surprised if the former culture's diet is what you crave. The vegetarian diet will be something that serves him/her because they're in touch with their Akash. They are eating what their cellular structure thrives to eat, not what someone told them to eat to make them more spiritual.

Pay attention to your body intelligence, for it will tell you a lot about who you've been. There is no should except one: Stay alive and be healthy. Listen to your cellular structure and it will tell you what you should eat. Is this not spiritual logic for you? Do not try to convert another to your "correct way" of eating. Honor the Akashic system and realize that your innate knows far better than you do what will work for you. My partner is currently attempting the "Glutton Free" diet. [Kryon humor]

http://www.kryon.com/k_channel11_Patagonia2-12.html

I wonder why the reference to "vegetarian" after the explanation?

But, how many know how to communicate with their DNA? The body intelligence is something I was looking to empower, but I got sidetracked.

---

The Genome Project decoded only approximately 3% of the total physical DNA. The remaining 97% was then termed "junk", inferring it has no purpose. The truth is that the human body is extremely efficient and anything that is of no use becomes atrophied and is evolved out of existence within a few generations.


If 97% of our DNA is junk, why do we still have it?


That so-called "junk DNA" in your body contains all your history since you first incarnated onto this planet, many lifetimes ago. It's where your akashic record, the record of your Soul, resides. Our DNA has been called a living library because of the wealth of information stored on it.


There are ten additional strands of DNA, or five double helix strands, which were disconnected or de-activated eons ago. Science has yet to discover these strands, although they have seen the shadows of them on their electronic microscopes. They call them "shadow DNA".


With 12 Strands of DNA activated, you have access to ten times the information available from your DNA.

These additional strands encompass the following areas of your life:
- Connection to God / Supreme Creator;
- Inner vision, receiving messages from spiritual guidance;
- Communication, both physical and spiritual;
- Love, both human and Divine;
- Physical Body;
- Life force energy (Chi) and personal will;


Signs of spiritual progress:
Thirst for clean water: The new intracellular electromagnetic connections in your body will naturally encourage you to drink more pure water. This results in a more pure body, free of toxins. Your body will be working with a greater number of electromagnetic connections and needs to be properly hydrated to ensure clear, strong communication between you and your spirit guides.


Hunger for pure food: Your cravings for food will change effortlessly to that which is more pure and has a greater nutritional content, such as organic and raw foods. This process will be effortless, almost seeming to be automatic.


Greater health: You'll have a clearer, stronger connection to your body and will be able to communicate with and reprogram the DNA in every cell. Additionally, as you shift your eating and drinking habits to include healthier choices, your body will respond by having better health.


Inner peace.


Greater energy: The increased number of electromagnetic connections within your body will enhance the natural flow of energy throughout all your physical systems.

http://humansarefree.com/2011/04/amazing...ating.html

[ReptilianOrionLizardKing]

the so called holy book sayeth, thou shall not consume the flesh of the shellfish. i believe it means selfish people!

[Patrick]

I deeply resonated with that Kryon message.

Thank you my friend for posting this.

[Shin'Ar]

Sitting on the edge of the wharf casting a bobber out into the water in hopes of catching tonight's dinner, the fisherman sets down the rod to chase after a new distraction.

He grabs his dipnet and chases off into the bushes after a young porcupine, where upon catching up to it he begins to bludgeon the little creature into a bloody pulp of unliving flesh.

After his little adventure he returns to his fishing pole which now has a nice tasty trout securely hooked on the line. He reels it in and removes the fish from the hook and clubs it over the snout with a stick to stop it from squirming around.

Satisfied that he has dinner for the table he strolls over to a nearby bush and relieves himself there, thereby killing the plant that has finally succumbed to regular toxic shock.

I don't think we really need to establish boundaries here. Do we?

[Diana]

Sitting on the edge of the wharf casting a bobber out into the water in hopes of catching tonight's dinner, the fisherman sets down the rod to chase after a new distraction.

He grabs his dipnet and chases off into the bushes after a young porcupine, where upon catching up to it he begins to bludgeon the little creature into a bloody pulp of unliving flesh.

After his little adventure he returns to his fishing pole which now has a nice tasty trout securely hooked on the line. He reels it in and removes the fish from the hook and clubs it over the snout with a stick to stop it from squirming around.

Satisfied that he has dinner for the table he strolls over to a nearby bush and relieves himself there, thereby killing the plant that has finally succumbed to regular toxic shock.

I don't think we really need to establish boundaries here. Do we?

Even worse than the above scenario, is an advanced, educated society buying neat little packages of food from the grocery store effectively cutting off the knowledge of where the food came from. Very ingenious of humans.

[Shin'Ar]

yes, it is an exaggeration of my depiction. We all know what is right and wrong.

[Monica]

We all know what is right and wrong.

Ya think so? I'm not so sure. Many don't even think there is such a thing as 'right and wrong' - they think those are antiquated concepts.