A Fourth Choice

[Observer]

That is why only slightly more than 50% STO is enough to be STO. I am currently at 51% and I feel this to be well balanced. Nearly without polarity, simply means well balanced in wisdom and compassion for ALL, self and other self.

How are you able to know the exact percentage?

Using a pendulum.

Dowsing? Pickle told me about this once.

[Joseph326]

Casey, I feel that I understand what you are saying. I will share a few thoughts about polarity. Take from this what you will. There is, from a certain perspective, absolutely no way in which any action does not serve both the Self, all other Selves, and the entirety of Creation. The observation of the actual motion between choices allows enough continuity of direction for the concept of polarity to apply. Within every moment point the entirety of the Infinite One resides, peering out/in through various filters of its choosing.

In response to the thoughts you shared regarding the ability to shift from one reality to another at will..you do this constantly from moment to moment. The brain is wired to do this on autopilot, with some practice it is possible to train it into awareness of its own processes as you shift between frequencies. As you begin to see the various layers of reality and the shifting processes, you may come to realize jus how many choices you truly have. And that they all exist simultaneously as the Whole of you.

[Patrick]

That is why only slightly more than 50% STO is enough to be STO. I am currently at 51% and I feel this to be well balanced. Nearly without polarity, simply means well balanced in wisdom and compassion for ALL, self and other self.

How are you able to know the exact percentage?

Using a pendulum.

Dowsing? Pickle told me about this once.

Actually that number was dowsed by Pickle. I'm still not very accurate with the pendulum, but I'm getting there.

[Liet]

Actually that number was dowsed by Pickle. I'm still not very accurate with the pendulum, but I'm getting there.

The more equal the activity of your green and yellow rays, the more commonplace it will be to see a hexagon when you close your eyes. (if you can see such things to begin with)

[3DMonkey]

How I see it...


"1) A leap beyond the densities of polarization directly into unity at any point within the current lifetime."

The moment this question is pondered is the same moment that the density of polarization choice manifests.


"2) Potential graduation [walking the steps of light] through dematerialization- the current reality frame is simply stepped out of."

Dematerialization if of a body. This electronic device [your computer] could be here materially or it may not, the mind thinks it is here but the mind isn't the proof that it is here, to the mind, it is only a thought. The mind can think that the body has material or that it doesn't, so everything can Dematerialize in this way, but the mind will never be the body.


"3) This path is continued with absolutely no loss of consciousness to [or beyond] what Ra terms as the eighth."

Loss of consciousness? That's relative to the thought of the moment.

"Took you thought today" - Ra

[seejay21]

I'm going to go out on a limb here. For me, in my experience, the choice of polarity is an illusion. It's also the glue that holds the viel together.

The most beautiful "lesson" of this density is love. Unconditional love. When you discover that within yourself, and how you are connected to everything you actually lay polarity aside, 100%. WARNING: This is not easy. Shedding polarity, and judgement is the "joke" of the ascension process, and provides the "work" (catalyst) that is required. It's a cleverly devised joke, and you are playing it on yourself. You can't ascend unless you ponder polarity, and play the game. It's the key tool to discovering.

I think that your 4th choice, is actually the only choice.

[omcasey]

Quote:
However, a few have penetrated the eighth level which is only available from the opening up of the seventh through the sixth. Penetration into the eighth or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle.
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Would anyone more familiar with the Ra material than I please give commentary on this? I am assuming they mean the seventh through the sixth chakras? Also, what is a practical working definition of intelligent infinity? What, specifically, would someone who has accessed it be experiencing? Would the one reaching for it be exhibiting signs? Can you intuit what these might be?


in gratitude for your assistance,

Casey

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Attempting to bring this into focus

Hello, everyone..

I appreciate you letting me take a moment to be clear.

The information I am looking for in regard to my queries pertains to the Ra GROUP'S insight-- into 1) awakening/ascending in this lifetime, prior to and in lue of any death scenario, directly into unity. In relation to this, the next query, in regard to anything the Ra GROUP has shared, is 2) whether or not this feat would require a different focus than intentionally polarizing, in the way of those graduating into 4D. I ask this because I do not see how intentionally polarizing could ever help shift one directly beyond polarization. On the matter of what I am calling 'a fourth choice' [making a leap from 3D beyond the densities of polarization directly into unity], I am satisfied by the collective replies that is not gone into at any length in the Material. Thank you, Austin, for your original post, it continues to be incredibly helpful. And thank you to those who have supplied relevant quotes, this has also been of great assistance.


Liet,

You said: "Maximizing polarization only gets you so far (end of 4th density)...".

Is this idea from you?, or from the Ra material.

If the latter, is it possible for you to supply relevant quotes?, this would be helpful.


in gratitude,

Casey

[seejay21]

Would anyone more familiar with the Ra material than I please give commentary on this? I am assuming they mean the seventh through the sixth chakras? Also, what is a practical working definition of intelligent infinity? What, specifically, would someone who has accessed it be experiencing? Would the one reaching for it be exhibiting signs? Can you intuit what these might be?

ahh.. You remind me of myself when I first came to this forum. What I've come to know as "The Ra Material" is a Q and A excercise. Don is the questioner, Ra provides the answers (usually). Not all questions are asked, which means, not all answers are provided. Many of Don's questions aren't relevant to anything other than they are interesting quesitons in their own right, or Don thinks the question may be interesting to someone. They aren't all questions about seeking the truth of the "Law of One".

As such, the "Ra Material" is incomplete. There are gaps. Ra didn't come from the depths of the universe and say "this is the truth of reality", he said, "ask me a question and I will answer it". Don's questions and Ra's answers are not divine. It's not a divine work, it's a historical account of questions and answers between two entities from different dimensions (cool enough in itself).

You can search through the material and find many relevant clues (quotes), but YOUR answer is going to only come from within. One of the biggest obstacles in the Q and A sessions is the fact you can't articulate the nature of intelligent infinity and reality with common spoken words. It's basically imposible. You won't find the answer in any book, or on any Internet forum. You must experience it yourself to know, and even then, you won't be able to put it in words.

When I first came to this forum, I posted this:

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=594

(i have some assention sypmtoms)

I think when I posted this I was hoping someone would tell me what happened to me that night, and that someone "more familiar" with the Ra material would offer a divine explanation, and I would suddenly know my path. That hasn't happend to my original hope. I've discovered something more than that though. The truth of "me" is for "me" to discover for myself, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[omcasey]

Seejay I understand, and am with you..

I have read, and am aware of what the Ra material is, and what it's limitations are. But my week-long devouring of the communications is not in par with those who have been studying and applying the material for far longer. I am asking for the information I am for reasons different to yourself. My purposes are more study and resource related, I simply wish to know if my query is something Ra went into. And, if so, how they went into it. I am already with all my own fundamental experiences and perspective, I am not looking to be influenced, I am looking for connections.. which are close enough to me to give me a sort of leg up. Thank you for helping me clarify this.

Also~ it is not that other perspectives are unwelcome,
it is that first and foremost I am looking to hear what Ra shared. Having offered this, if individual commentary then wishes to be given there is space for this. But as I am new here, and new to the Ra material if it could be stated which ideas are from Ra and which ideas are from others, this of course would be helpful.


Casey

[3DMonkey]

"Also, what is a practical working definition of intelligent infinity? "

I find this question hilarious. No offense whatsoever. The idea that there would be a unanimous "practical working definition" tickles me to no end.

[omcasey]

"Also, what is a practical working definition of intelligent infinity? "

I find this question hilarious. No offense whatsoever. The idea that there would be a unanimous "practical working definition" tickles me to no end

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3DMonkey,

We seem to have somewhat of a start simply with the reference to the eighth [8D?].. To your knowledge, did Ra ever give insight into what the meaning of 8D is to them? Would it be outside/beyond this universe?, this learning system. What are some other word equivalents one might use for the same thing? I am not going for anything complex here, just a simple, broad-working definition. Right now these words mean nothing to me. Give me some torque. Anyone.


Casey

[godwide_void]

The 8th Density is that level of consciousness which the One Infinite Creator exists at as the interconnected awareness and sustenance of all, birthing all things and being that which all things are assimilated into once more. It is the infinite and manifested creature which resulted as the first breath/sound/thought of the Source, being the mysterious, etheric architect and all-encompassing hyper-intelligence. This infinite Source, becoming aware through some unknown means, decided to create a focal point through which it may devise a means in which to manifest Itself. The being responsible for this expressing of the primary and linked forging attributes of creative manifestation, sustenance, and destruction is the completed being which comprises the 8th Density which is, as Ra also stated, the beginning of the 1st Density. It is the One in which all arises from and coalesces into, which exists above and beyond all things, which dwells deep within us and all which has being, and consequently being that which all things exist within.

I speak from memory as I offer this visual description of the 8D: it is an omni-directionally ever-expanding void consisting of innumerable star systems which adorn each and every inch of it as crystalline jewels. These galactic gems form a visage resembling a face shaped as a throne, similar to a very stylized Easter Island statue head. Each moment which passes, this void expands, and new star systems flow outwards from the center to accommodate any space which becomes available. Though this process is powerfully chaotic, there is only deep and tranquil stillness which pervades this realm as the overarching feeling.

To address some other points of yours; in regards to ascension within this lifetime as per your definitions of manifesting oneself in another density, relocating one's awareness there permanently, this is not possible and exists outside the scope of the 'rules' of this density, though one may temporarily revisit the density which they have stemmed from. One who has chosen to incarnate here and undergo experience of this dimension is as a creature of this dimension. Depending upon the origin of one's density or the stage of evolution which one's consciousness has reached, experiences, temporal or otherwise, may be achieved as that consciousness, having originated from higher realms and not of a lower form, would have certain permissible slips, capabilities and factors which would entail a greater degree of resources one may draw upon, enter into and work with. However, be that as it may, the 3rd Density remains the 3rd Density, and regardless if one is from the 5th Density or higher, the veil of metaphysical amnesia is still in place subjecting us to a 'quarantined' and restrictive state. One may 'ascend' inasmuch as the boundaries of this realm allows it. The degree to which one may ascend who is native to this planetary sphere is probably akin to those yogis and other assorted spiritual master's levels. Those of originally higher densities hold in latent potentiation a gamut of attributes which may be expressed through this form given one learns how to access and activate them. There is ascension for 3D entities, though it is not in the way which you view it as of vanishing and materializing into another realm of existence. The point in which consciousness will evolve is essentially around the corner, so while ascension is a nice prospect to achieve here, it pales in comparison to the meta-ascension which this world will undergo.

Also, what is a practical working definition of intelligent infinity? What, specifically, would someone who has accessed it be experiencing? Would the one reaching for it be exhibiting signs? Can you intuit what these might be?

I would define intelligent infinity as the perhaps formless, oceanic essence which is the hyper-intelligent coding that formulates the entirety of the megacosm, from macrocosm to microcosm, Creator and Creation, the process of all; the Source, as has been termed. Where the One Infinite Creator is what dwells behind the awareness of all sentient beings, acting as the various perspectives of consciousness, the Source is that digital coding which has created these various programs of "awareness", "consciousness", "intelligence", etc.

I will direct you to a revealing Ra quote:

15.7 Questioner: What is the greatest service that our population on this planet could perform individually?

Ra: I am Ra. There is but one service. The Law is One. The offering of self to Creator is the greatest service, the unity, the fountainhead. The entity who seeks the One Creator is with infinite intelligence. From this seeking, from this offering, a great multiplicity of opportunities will evolve depending upon the mind/body/spirit complexes’ distortions with regard to the various illusory aspects or energy centers of the various complexes of your illusion.

Carefully consider that which I have outlined. Those who fixate their gaze beyond this illusion and solidify the volition to seek the Creator, God, what have you, the moment in which this seeking has begun is the moment in which the Creator has begun devising and implementing the plans in which to allow this goal to come to fruition. Be it through prayer, meditation, contemplation, keeping pious thoughts in the fore and background of one's mind, active service, any manner of seeking the Creator will beget the beginning harmonization of one's beingness with a connective functionality with Intelligent Infinity.

You query upon the signs and experiences of one who is "one with infinite intelligence". These symptoms are entirely circumstantial, though I will offer a vague generalization: finding oneself instantly 'knowing' things previously unknown, a feeling of being able to manipulate one's surroundings through the mind alone, observing that one's thoughts are, without impediment, leading to manifestation of circumstances, people and/or events. Observing a highly rapid evolution in one's spiritual progress, noticing that revelatory signs are much abound, astoundingly frequent, and follow an intricately and intelligently designed order. The one who is with infinite intelligence is the one who is able to participate in the waltz with the Universe in sync, and in a modern sense would best be considered a "reality hacker".

I will leave you with one thing that you would do well to muse upon: all outwards seeking leads back to the inner destination.

[omcasey]

Godwide, thank you for your reply.. I will read through it in the morning.

I just love synchronicity..
I was just stopping by to say I was listening to Carla on the ZanyMystic show and she gave Ra's definition of Intelligent Infinity and the One Infinite Creator. So, yes!, wonderful, one more down.


woo hoo

Casey

[Liet]

Liet,

You said: "Maximizing polarization only gets you so far (end of 4th density)...".

Is this idea from you?, or from the Ra material.

If the latter, is it possible for you to supply relevant quotes?, this would be helpful.

Questioner: In the last session you made the statement that “We, that is Ra, spent much time/space in the fifth-density balancing the intense compassion that we had gained in the fourth-density.” Could you expand on this concept with respect to the material you just discussed?

Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density, as we have said, abounds in compassion. This compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. It is the salvation of third density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity.

Thus we, as a social memory complex of fourth density, had the tendency towards compassion even to martyrdom in aid of other-selves. When the fifth-density harvest was achieved we found that in this vibratory level flaws could be seen in the efficacy of such unrelieved compassion. We spent much time/space in contemplation of those ways of the Creator which imbue love with wisdom.

Ra: I am Ra. In fifth-density harvest, polarization has very little to do with harvestability.

[Patrick]

Ra did state that BEFORE there was polarities in the sense of STO and STS, there was only STO. The veil created a new path, the STS path, STO was not created with the veil, STO was always there. STO is all inclusive.

So STO includes this fourth choice of not playing the defense game against STS. STO is acceptance of all that is.

Once you find your Self out of the polarity realms, you find your Self in STO automatically.

[Plenum]

Along with the idea of 1) not choosing [to polarize], 2) choosing service to others, 3) choosing service to self, there is option 4) choosing to make a leap beyond the densities of polarization directly into unity. I have heard Carla speak of, at the moment of death 'walking the steps of light', stopping where it feels the most comfortable. But what is the Ra group's Insight into awakening/ascending in this lifetime, prior to and in lue of any death scenario?.. and do they speak of this fourth option in what they share. It certainly does feel to my choice. It seems far more central, and imperative in my case to focus on improving the quality of [my] consciousness through entropy / fear reduction, a natural by-product of which is clearly a service to all. From Ra's perspective would this fourth choice be valid. What is probable and possible in their eyes?

I think we all serve the Creator, in our own way.

I mean, think of a worm in the soil, wriggling around after a rainstorm. That is service.

think of your microwave oven heating food up. That is service.

think of you typing this post. That is service.

we cannot know the repercussions of each thought or action we take here in 3d; there are echoes that ripple through time and space.

it is all service, and all benefit.

[omcasey]

This is understood and I concur, thank you, plenum..

Valtor,
post coming to you soon, gotta start the day! first


Casey

[godwide_void]

Manage to read through my post yet, casey?

Godwide, thank you for your reply.. I will read through it in the morning.

I just love synchronicity..
I was just stopping by to say I was listening to Carla on the ZanyMystic show and she gave Ra's definition of Intelligent Infinity and the One Infinite Creator. So, yes!, wonderful, one more down.


woo hoo

Casey

Did it provide an adequate answer to your query?

[omcasey]

Godwide..

Yes, thank you for filling in the blank on Intelligent Infinity =ing the One Infinite Creator, this has been of assistance and contributed to further resolution. I appreciate you addressing this element of my query. The paragraph related to ascension [as I am here defining it] in this lifetime I will carry over into a thread of it's own. I do not wish to confuse the focus here. The collective energy has resulted in a near complete manifestation of the data I am requesting.


Valtor,

Ra did state that BEFORE there was polarities in the sense of STO and STS, there was only STO. The veil created a new path, the STS path, STO was not created with the veil, STO was always there. STO is all inclusive. So STO includes this fourth choice of not playing the defense game against STS. STO is acceptance of all that is. Once you find your Self out of the polarity realms, you find your Self in STO automatically.

It is possible I may be able to bring a relevant point of focus within my query into fuller view.

For much the same reasons as MAN being used to denote the fundamental, ie: 'that which came first', and WOMAN to denote an offshoot, as is common to our current historical record, the pattern you bring forth does not work for me. It carries too much stigma. As a sub-pattern of understanding it could be said to have it's purpose, but as a fundamental, or universal pattern it is skewed [which I say in all evenness and with respect]. There are multiple considerations.

The first is that the concept MAN can be used to denote the whole of the dominant local species, as well as be used to denote the male polarity. The same with STO, it can be used to denote the essential seed energy of the All That Is, as well as be used to denote a particular range of distortion of such within the various dimensional frequencies. Employing the same term to denote both the fundamental and one chosen aspect of the created is fine, but it carries the capacity to be confusing. A person communicating with such a pattern clearly must see and have integrated the distinct uses and applications. Otherwise, there is incompleteness and incorrectness in what is put forth.

This pattern also carries the capacity for imbalance, for within the densities of polarity there is a resulting unfairness to the remaining polarity. In the example of man/woman, those currently expressing through the female polarity can likely somewhat unanimously attest to this. The bias toward the vernacular of the male polarity [MAN] being chosen and used to denote the fundamental [/greater] will more often be a potentially harming sort of trigger. Much dust will be created to first work through and clear, prior to even the remotest, true communication and understanding between self and other selves. The pattern I wish to receive will carry far less dust.


In redirecting my attention now to your precise thought,

"BEFORE there was polarities in the sense of STO and STS, there was only STO. The veil created a new path, the STS path.."

I would find to be more accurate, that originally there was STO in the sense of it being used to denote the seed energy of the All That Is, and the veil created the distortion of the polarities of the STO and STS paths; this latter distorted STO being distinct from the prior. The distinction being seen and duly noted, there is now balance.


I hope this comes through clearly, and helps in accurately receiving where I am coming from..,

Casey

[Patrick]

Yes it's much clearer this way and I do agree with you. I like your analogy to male and female polarities. This opens the door for a better understanding of the other type of polarities. Since you seem interested about what Ra said on the concept of polarities in general, I will share my personal understanding of it in relation to male and female.

It is true that our current octave as a whole has been designed with polarity in mind and the path back to the Creator being the uniting of all these polarities. But what I was referring to in my previous post is that according to Ra, STS was never planned for. It was a big surprise. It's not part of the design of this octave of experience.

The difference with male and female is substantial. According to Ra, male and female are actually harvested concepts from the previous octave, as is positive and negative, and are central to our current octave. STS was never even thought of as a possibility before it was actually experienced and could never ever have been experienced without the introduction of the veil in 3rd density. The veil being the illusion of separation. Without the veil all is aware that all is One. All is aware of their connection. The veil is relatively "recent".

It is also true that talking of STO without STS can be meaningless. For me, what I call the STO path includes the path that was available before STS became a reality and the path that continues after we have unified these polarities.

Without this I would, like you, say that a 4th choice is indeed available.

In these quotes we can see that Ra says that before the veil there was no STO and no STS, but in some of these quotes Ra also use the terminology STO to refer to what there was before the veil.

It's certainly a very vast subject.

78.10 Questioner: I realize that we are on very difficult ground, you might say, for precise terminology. It is totally displaced from our system of coordinates for evaluation in our present system of language.

These early Logoi that formed in the center of the galaxy wished, I assume, to create a system of experience for the One Creator. Did they then start with no previous experience or information about how to do this? This is difficult to ask.

Ra: I am Ra. At the beginning of this creation or, as you may call it, octave there were those things known which were the harvest of the preceding octave. About the preceding creation we know as little as we do of the octave to come. However, we are aware of those pieces of gathered concept which were the tools which the Creator had in the knowing of the self.

These tools were of two kinds. Firstly, there was an awareness of the efficiency for experience of mind, body, and spirit. Secondly, there was an awareness of the most efficacious nature or, if you will, significator of mind, body, and spirit. Thirdly, there was the awareness of two aspects of mind, of body, and of spirit that the significator could use to balance all catalyst. You may call these two the matrix and the potentiator.

78.13 Questioner: Then we have, at the beginning of this galactic evolution, an archetypical mind that is the product of the previous octave which this galaxy then uses and acts upon under the first distortion of free will to evolve the total experience of this galaxy. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is quite correct.

78.14 Questioner: But, in doing this, there was at the center of the galaxy, the lack of knowledge or the lack of concept of possiblity of extending the first distortion, so as to allow for what we have experienced as polarity. Was there any concept of polarity carried through from the previous octave in the sense of service-to-others or service-to-self polarity?

Ra: I am Ra. There was polarity in the sense of the mover and the moved. There was no polarity in the sense of service to self and service to others.

77.19 Questioner: Do the Logoi that choose this type of evolution choose both the service-to-self and the service-to-others path for different Logoi, or do they choose just one of the paths?

Ra: I am Ra. Those, what you would call, early Logoi which chose lack-of-free-will foundations, to all extents with no exceptions, founded Logoi of the service-to-others path. The, shall we say, saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced.

77.20 Questioner: In other words you are saying that originally the Logoi that did not choose this free will path did not choose it simply because they had not conceived of it and that later Logoi, extending the first distortion farther down through their evolution, experienced it as an outcropping or growth from that extension of the first distortion. Am I correct in saying that?

Ra: I am Ra. Yes.

[omcasey]

Valtor,

Thank you for your feedback.. I am pleased to hear I am coming through more clearly. The male/female example I employed, just to put it to paper, was for the sole purpose clarity; it was felt this example allowed more understanding to come through regarding the capacity for imbalance.

To be very precise, rather than the broad concept of polarity in general, it is the idea of intentional polarization toward either STO or STS for the purpose of graduation that I am interested in. To bring it in even nearer to me, the interest is to whether it is or is not applicable to me in my current situation and state of experience. Then, ultimately, if yes, how so. These last bits are for me to know from within myself. The immediate task - for me - is to come into a fuller understanding and relationship with the concept. Which with the combined help of everyone here I am indeed doing.


with my sincerest appreciation..,

Casey

[Patrick]

Yes indeed, why must we choose STO or STS to graduate from 3d ? It's a good question.

Graduation from 3d has also been described by Ra as how much love/light you are able to work with. Maybe this is a more useful avenue of inquiry.

IMHO these quotes may help answer. Particularly the last answer of that session.

82.12 Questioner: I was interested specifically in how this very first division showed up in this octave. I was interested to know if it made the transition through first, second, third, fourth, etc. densities? I would like to take the first mind/body/spirit complexes and trace their experience from the very start to the present so that I could better understand the condition that we are in now by comparing it with this original growth. Could you please tell me precisely how this came about as to the formation of the planets and growth through the densities, if that is the way it happened, please?

Ra: I am Ra. Your queries seem more confused than your basic mental distortions in this area. Let us speak in general and perhaps you may find a less confused and more simple method of eliciting information in this area.

A very great deal of creation was manifested without the use of the concepts involved in consciousness, as you know it. The creation itself is a form of consciousness which is unified, the Logos being the one great heart of creation. The process of evolution through this period, which may be seen to be timeless, is most valuable to take into consideration, for it is against the background of this essential unity of the fabric of creation that we find the ultimate development of the Logoi which chose to use that portion of the harvested consciousness of the Creator to move forward with the process of knowledge of self. As it had been found to be efficient to use the various densities, which are fixed in each octave, in order to create conditions in which self-conscious sub-Logoi could exist, this was carried out throughout the growing flower-strewn field, as your simile suggests, of the one infinite creation.

The first beings of mind, body, and spirit were not complex. The experience of mind/body/spirits at the beginning of this octave of experience was singular. There was no third-density forgetting. There was no veil. The lessons of third density are predestined by the very nature of the vibratory rates experienced during this particular density and by the nature of the quantum jump to the vibratory experiences of fourth density.

82.15 Questioner: Specifically, I am trying to grasp an understanding of the process of experience in third density before the veil so that I can better understand the present process. As I understand, it the mind/body/spirits went through the process of what we call physical incarnation in this density but there was no forgetting. What was the benefit or purpose of the physical incarnation when there was no forgetting?

Ra: I am Ra. The purpose of incarnation in third density is to learn the ways of love.

82.16 Questioner: I guess I didn’t state that exactly right. What I mean is, since there was no forgetting, since the mind/body/spirits had, in what we call the physical incarnation, their full consciousness, they knew the same thing that they would know while not in the physical incarnation. What was the mechanism of teaching that taught the ways of love in the third-density physical prior to the forgetting process?

Ra: I am Ra. We ask your permission to answer this query in an oblique fashion as we perceive an area in which we might be of aid.

82.17 Questioner: Certainly.

Ra: I am Ra. Your queries seem to be pursuing the possibility/probability that the mechanisms of experience in third density are different if a mind/body/spirit is attempting them rather than a mind/body/spirit complex. The nature of third density is constant. Its ways are to be learned the same now and ever. Thusly, no matter what form the entity facing these lessons, the lessons and mechanisms are the same. The Creator will learn from Itself. Each entity has unmanifest portions of learning and, most importantly, learning which is involved with other-selves.

82.18 Questioner: Then prior to the forgetting process there was no concept of anything but service-to-others polarization. What sort of societies and experiences in third-density were created and evolved in this condition?

Ra: I am Ra. It is our perception that such conditions created the situation of a most pallid experiential nexus in which lessons were garnered with the relative speed of the turtle to the cheetah.

82.21 Questioner: Then even though, from our point of view, there was great evolutionary experience it was deemed at some point by the evolving Logos that an experiment to create a greater experience was appropriate. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and may benefit from comment. The Logos is aware of the nature of the third-density requirement for what you have called graduation. All the previous, if you would use this term, experiments, although resulting in many experiences, lacked what was considered the crucial ingredient; that is, polarization. There was little enough tendency for experience to polarize entities that entities repeated habitually the third-density cycles many times over. It was desired that the potential for polarization be made more available.

82.22 Questioner: Then since the only possibility at this particular time, as I see it, was a polarization for service to others, I must assume from what you said that even though all were aware of this service to others necessity they were unable to achieve it. What was the configuration of mind of the mind/body/spirits at that time? Why did they have such a difficult time serving others to the extent necessary for graduation since this was the only polarity possible?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the tendency of those who are divinely happy, as you call this distortion, to have little urge to alter or better their condition. Such is the result of the mind/body/spirit which is not complex. There is the possibility of love of other-selves and service to other-selves, but there is the overwhelming awareness of the Creator in the self. The connection with the Creator is that of the umbilical cord. The security is total. Therefore, no love is terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, is made to serve for love or to benefit from fear.

82.26 Questioner: Before the veil, during the review of the incarnation, were the entities at that time aware that what they were trying to do was sufficiently polarize for graduation?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

82.27 Questioner: Then I am assuming that this awareness was somehow reduced as they went into the yellow ray third-density incarnative state even though there was no veil. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is distinctly incorrect.

82.28 Questioner: OK. This is the central important point. It seems to me that if polarization was the obvious thing that more effort would have been put forward to polarize. Let me see if I can state this differently. Before the veil there was an awareness of the need for polarization towards service to others in third density by all entities, whether incarnate in third-density, yellow-ray bodies or in between incarnations. I assume, then, that the condition of which we earlier spoke, one of wealth you might say, was present through the entire spectrum of experience whether it might be between incarnations or during incarnations and the entities just simply could not manifest the desire to create this polarization necessary for graduation. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. You begin to grasp the situation. Let us continue the metaphor of the schooling but consider the scholar as being an entity in your younger years of the schooling process. The entity is fed, clothed, and protected regardless of whether or not the schoolwork is accomplished. Therefore, the entity does not do the homework but rather enjoys playtime, mealtime, and vacation. It is not until there is a reason to wish to excel that most entities will attempt to excel.

82.29 Questioner: You have stated in a much earlier session that it is necessary to polarize more than 50% service to others to be harvestable fourth-density positive. Was this condition the same at the time before the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

The query is not answered easily, for the concept of service to self did not hold sway previous to what we have been calling the veiling process. The necessity for graduation to fourth density is an ability to use, welcome, and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the One Infinite Creator. In your own terms at your space/time nexus this ability may be measured by your previously stated percentages of service.

Prior to the veiling process the measurement would be that of an entity walking up a set of your stairs, each of which was imbued with a certain quality of light. The stair upon which an entity stopped would be either third-density light or fourth-density light. Between the two stairs lies the threshold. To cross that threshold is difficult. There is resistance at the edge, shall we say, of each density. The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross. It was this situation which faced the Logoi prior to the veiling process being introduced into the experiential continuum of third density.

[3DMonkey]

Valtor,

Thank you for your feedback.. I am pleased to hear I am coming through more clearly. The male/female example I employed, just to put it to paper, was for the sole purpose clarity; it was felt this example allowed more understanding to come through regarding the capacity for imbalance.

To be very precise, rather than the broad concept of polarity in general, it is the idea of intentional polarization toward either STO or STS for the purpose of graduation that I am interested in. To bring it in even nearer to me, the interest is to whether it is or is not applicable to me in my current situation and state of experience. Then, ultimately, if yes, how so. These last bits are for me to know from within myself. The immediate task - for me - is to come into a fuller understanding and relationship with the concept. Which with the combined help of everyone here I am indeed doing.


with my sincerest appreciation..,

Casey

Consider one of your thoughts, any thought. There are many facets involved in this one thought. This thought could contain memories, biases, projections, persons, etc. These are entities, and these entities are others. From this point, you have a choice of where to direct your service. If to others, you accept these entities as part of you, integrate them, love them, attempt to give them moral support, etc. If to self, you control which entities are allowed into your being, reject them as separate, attempt to push them away, etc.

[Confused]

41.16 Questioner: And then what entity would be the simplest that would have red, orange, yellow, and green rays activated?

Ra: I am Ra. This information has been covered in a previous session. To perhaps simplify your asking, each center may be seen to be activated potentially in third density, the late second-density entities having the capability, if efficient use is made of experience, of vibrating and activating the green-ray energy center.

The third-density being, having the potential for complete self-awareness, thus has the potential for the minimal activation of all energy centers. The fourth, fifth, and sixth densities are those refining the higher energy centers. The seventh density is a density of completion and the turning towards timelessness or foreverness

3.10 Questioner: Then if an individual is totally informed with respect to the Law of One and lives the Law of One, then such things as the building of the pyramids by direct mental effort would be commonplace. Is that what I am to understand?

Ra: I am Ra. You are incorrect in that there is a distinction between the individual power through the Law of One and the combined, or societal memory complex mind/body/spirit understanding of the Law of One.

In the first case only the one individual, purified of all flaws, could move a mountain. In the case of mass understanding of unity, each individual may contain an acceptable amount of distortion and yet the mass mind could move mountains. The progress is normally from the understanding which you now seek to a dimension of understanding which is governed by the laws of love, and which seeks the laws of light. Those who are vibrating with the Law of Light seek the Law of One. Those who vibrate with the Law of One seek the Law of Foreverness.

We cannot say what is beyond this dissolution of the unified self with all that there is, for we still seek to become all that there is, and still are we Ra. Thus our paths go onward.

77.17 Questioner: Would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, positive polarity. There was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function of only the positive polarization evolving from the original creation of our sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true-color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.

Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

[Cyan]

Manage to read through my post yet, casey?

Godwide, thank you for your reply.. I will read through it in the morning.

I just love synchronicity..
I was just stopping by to say I was listening to Carla on the ZanyMystic show and she gave Ra's definition of Intelligent Infinity and the One Infinite Creator. So, yes!, wonderful, one more down.


woo hoo

Casey

Did it provide an adequate answer to your query?

Yes it did, thank you =)

[AndresOr]

Valtor,

Thank you for your feedback.. I am pleased to hear I am coming through more clearly. The male/female example I employed, just to put it to paper, was for the sole purpose clarity; it was felt this example allowed more understanding to come through regarding the capacity for imbalance.

To be very precise, rather than the broad concept of polarity in general, it is the idea of intentional polarization toward either STO or STS for the purpose of graduation that I am interested in. To bring it in even nearer to me, the interest is to whether it is or is not applicable to me in my current situation and state of experience. Then, ultimately, if yes, how so. These last bits are for me to know from within myself. The immediate task - for me - is to come into a fuller understanding and relationship with the concept. Which with the combined help of everyone here I am indeed doing.


with my sincerest appreciation..,

Casey

hi casey, well i won't quote Ra's or Carla's (Jim talks rarely) word, but i will use a sinthesis of his teaching, harvest in this case from 3d to 4d came more naturally after the dead process, a normal 3d native does not have the ability to do what you describe, they need polarization, them you will go to time/space and take the step of light, whether if it is sto or sts, it is the same thing, been able to handle more speed of rotation of the photon, if you can not, them you come back to 3d.

What you are describing in the process of dematerialization from this 3d space/time, i believe it is perfectly possibly to do this, it is matter of having the ability to do it, i believe that it is have nothing to do with harvest (end of this mayor cicle), it is a power that you achieve, and i believe that you will be going to 3d time/space, them changing bodies indigo or violet, them reviewing the incarnation (or the other way around), and going where you will need to go, if you were a 3d native, you will go to 4d, but clearly you seem to be a 6d wanderer, normally you them will go to your home density.

But remember that to say "going straight to unity" it is not really so, it is a process of transformation in the mecanical sense (many energies), so maybe you are thinking too generally.

Namaste, light and love to you, as always sorry for my english, i can not express clear enough my answer.

[omcasey]

Hi, Andres..

Your delivery is very good, I am understanding you well and send thanks..

There are a couple really interesting points here, and I feel you have helped me understand the concept of harvest a bit more accurately. I experience dematerialization from within the [other] dimensions on a regular basis, it is my primary mode of transport, as it were, when traveling.. and I have also been let to experience, to a particular degree, dematerialization [DISappearing] from my physical location. It has been suggested to me that I am putting a 'governor' on myself, for the time being, from going any further with this because were I to go all the way with it now the probability is that I would not return to complete what is still yet to do. I understand from within myself this to be true. But one day soon I will be done and this will be my mode of departure. It is why I have been put through the training / trial runs and let to sample the experience.

It is intriguing to me that you say "..and i believe that you will be going to 3d time/space, them changing bodies indigo or violet, them reviewing the incarnation (or the other way around), and going where you will need to go..".. May I ask why you believe this?, do you have particular experience, or inner communication that relays this to you. Or is it something Ra has put through. I ask because of how closely it matches a recent experience. I am reviewed periodically, I shift consciously into them, remain conscious throughout, and am oftentimes let to retain the awareness having shifted back into this reality. So I am curious what has you say this.


Thank you for anything you can share..,

Casey

[Patrick]

...Or is it something Ra has put through...

I can confirm that this is pretty much how Ra described what happens after our incarnation.

[omcasey]

Hi, Valtor..

In regard to the bodies indigo or violet, can you offer more commentary?, or supply links to Ra's insight.

thank you!,

Casey

[Patrick]

My pleasure.

47.9 Questioner: Which bodies do we have immediately after physical death from this yellow-ray body that I now am in?

Ra: I am Ra. You have all bodies in potentiation.

47.10 Questioner: Then the yellow-ray body in potentiation is used to create this chemical arrangement that I have as a physical body now. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect only in that in your present incarnation the yellow-ray body is not in potentiation but in activation, it being that body which is manifest.

47.11 Questioner: Then after death from this incarnation we still have the yellow-ray body in potentiation, but then in the general case of our planetary population after death, would they then normally have the green-ray body manifested?

Ra: I am Ra. Not immediately. The first body which activates itself upon death is the “form-maker” or the indigo-ray body. This body remains — you have called it the “ka” — until etherea has been penetrated and understanding has been gained by the mind/body/spirit totality. Once this is achieved, if the proper body to be activated is green-ray, then this will occur.

70.17 Questioner: Now here is the point of my confusion. If, after physical death, a Wanderer would return to his home planet why cannot the same entity be extracted from negative time/space to the home planet rather than incarnating in negative space/time?

Ra: I am Ra. As we stated, the position in negative time/space, of which we previously were speaking, is that position which is pre-incarnative. After the death of the physical complex in yellow-ray activation the mind/body/spirit complex moves to a far different portion of time/space in which the indigo body will allow much healing and review to take place before any movement is made towards another incarnative experience.

I perceive a basic miscalculation upon your part in that time/space is no more homogenous than space/time. It is as complex and complete a system of illusions, dances, and pattern as is space/time and has as structured a system of what you may call natural laws.

70.15 Questioner: I think that to clear up this point I will ask a few questions that are related that will possibly help me to understand this better because I am really confused about this and I think it is a very important point in understanding the creation and the Creator in general, you might say. If a Wanderer of fourth, fifth, or sixth-density dies from this third-density state in which we presently find ourselves, does he then find himself in the third-density time/space after death?

Ra: I am Ra. This will depend upon the plan which has been approved by the Council of Nine. Some Wanderers offer themselves for but one incarnation while others offer themselves for varying lengths of your time up to and including the last two cycles of 25,000 years. If the agreed-upon mission is complete the Wanderer’s mind/body/spirit complex will go to the home vibration.

30.3 Questioner: Upon our physical death, as we call it, from this particular density and this particular incarnative experience, we lose this chemical body. Immediately after the loss of this chemical body do we maintain a different type of body? Is there still a mind/body/spirit complex at that point?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The mind/body/spirit complex is quite intact; the physical body complex you now associate with the term body being but manifestation of a more dense and intelligently informed and powerful body complex.

30.4 Questioner: Is there any loss to the mind or spirit after this transition which we call death or any impairment of either because of the loss of this chemical body which we now have?

Ra: I am Ra. In your terms there is a great loss of mind complex due to the fact that much of the activity of a mental nature of which you are aware during the experience of this space/time continuum is as much of a surface illusion as is the chemical body complex.

In other terms nothing whatever of importance is lost; the character or, shall we say, pure distillation of emotions and biases or distortions and wisdoms, if you will, becoming obvious for the first time, shall we say; these pure emotions and wisdoms and bias/distortions being, for the most part, either ignored or underestimated during physical life experience.

In terms of the spiritual, this channel is then much opened due to the lack of necessity for the forgetting characteristic of third density.

48.7 Questioner: Thank you. I would like to take as an example an entity, starting before birth, who is roughly high on the seniority list for positive polarization and possible harvestability at the end of this cycle and follow a full cycle of his experience starting before his incarnation—which body is activated, the process of becoming incarnate, the activation of the third-density physical body, the process as the body moves through this density and is acted upon by catalysts, the process of death, and the activation of the various bodies so that we make a full circuit from a point prior to incarnation back around through incarnation and death; you might say one cycle of incarnation in this density. Could you do that for me?

Ra: I am Ra. Your query is most distorted for it assumes that creations are alike. Each mind/body/spirit complex has its own patterns of activation and its own rhythms of awakening. The important thing for harvest is the harmonious balance between the various energy centers of the mind/body/spirit complex. This is to be noted as of relative import. We grasp the thrust of your query and will make a most general answer stressing the unimportance of such arbitrary generalizations.

The entity, before incarnation, dwells in the appropriate, shall we say, place in time/space. The true color type of this location will be dependent upon the entity’s needs. Those entities, for instance which, being Wanderers, have the green, blue, or indigo true-color core of mind/body/spirit complex will have rested therein.

Entrance into incarnation requires the investment or activation of the indigo-ray or etheric body for this is the form maker. The young or small physical mind/body/spirit complex has the seven energy centers potentiated before the birthing process. There are also analogs in time/space of these energy centers corresponding to the seven energy centers in each of the seven true-color densities. Thus in the microcosm exists all the experience that is prepared. It is as though the infant contains the universe.

The patterns of activation of an entity of high seniority will undoubtedly move with some rapidity to the green-ray level which is the springboard to primary blue. There is always some difficulty in penetrating blue primary energy for it requires that which your people have in great paucity; that is, honesty. Blue ray is the ray of free communication with self and with other-self. Having accepted that an harvestable or nearly harvestable entity will be working from this green-ray springboard one may then posit that the experiences in the remainder of the incarnation will be focused upon activation of the primary blue ray of freely given communication, of indigo ray, that of freely shared intelligent energy, and if possible, moving through this gateway, the penetration of violet-ray intelligent infinity. This may be seen to be manifested by a sense of the consecrate or hallowed nature of everyday creations and activities.

Upon the bodily complex death, as you call this transition, the entity will immediately, upon realization of its state, return to the indigo form-maker body and rest therein until the proper future placement is made.

Here we have the anomaly of harvest. In harvest the entity will then transfer its indigo body into violet-ray manifestation as seen in true-color yellow. This is for the purpose of gauging the harvestability of the entity. After this anomalous activity has been carefully completed, the entity will move into indigo body again and be placed in the correct true-color locus in space/time and time/space at which time the healings and learn/teachings necessary shall be completed and further incarnation needs determined.

82.25 Questioner: I don’t grasp too well the condition of incarnation and the time in between incarnations prior to the veil. I do not understand what was the difference other than the manifestation of the third-density, yellow-ray body. Was there any mental difference upon what we call death? I don’t see the necessity for what we call the review of the incarnation if the consciousness was uninterrupted. Could you clear up that point for me?

Ra: I am Ra. No portion of the Creator audits the course, to use your experiential terms. Each incarnation is intended to be a course in the Creator knowing Itself. A review or, shall we say, to continue the metaphor, each test is an integral portion of the process of the Creator knowing Itself. Each incarnation will end with such a test. This is so that the portion of the Creator may assimilate the experiences in yellow-ray, physical third density, may evaluate the biases gained, and may then choose, either by means of automatically provided aid or by the self, the conditions of the next incarnation.