In regards to eating meat

[Shemaya]

As far as I know, humans are Gaia's body as well, the whole planet is. Gaia grieves over all planetary suffering, animals , humans, and especially children.... all suffering is painful to her.

Eating meat does not necessarily cause great suffering to the animal. Death is not necessarily "suffering". Inhumane treatment and cruelty cause suffering however, and I am sure Gaia grieves over that also.

Oh, so are you saying Gaia is ok with humans eating animals, but not if the animals suffer?

Yes, Gaia is Ok with humans eating animals as part of the circle of life, and she grieves over all planetary suffering, including animal suffering.

[Monica]

I think i have seen the light. I think there may be truth to the idea that bucking the system, con-sensus reality, the establishment, really does take an elitist zealot driven by fanaticism.

LoL!

Wow, Pickle, you mean we're fanatical, elitist zealots after all???

[Tenet Nosce]

ROFL @ "... what Gaia thinks..." as if we know. Oh wait, that's right only the elite few really know what Gaia thinks. Let's make them our gurus and do whatever they say.

(Also, sorry Pickle, but you are out by virtue of your manhood. Gaia only speaks to women. )

[Monica]

Yes, Gaia is Ok with humans eating animals as part of the circle of life, and she grieves over all planetary suffering, including animal suffering.

1. Did 'Gaia' mean humans eating animals in the way the Native Americans did? Only the extent necessary for survival? Or did 'Gaia' mean bacon for breakfast, hamburger for lunch, and chicken for dinner? With no connection at all to the animals that were killed...?

2. Being that most of the meat consumed comes from torturous slaughterhouse conditions, was any distinction made when this question was asked of 'Gaia?'

3. Who channeled Gaia? How can we be 100% certain that this channeling was 100% free of distortion?

4. Being that the vast majority of people, including New Age psychics and channels, do eat meat, is it possible that their bias might have added some distortion?

[Shemaya]

I'm elite? LOL!

[Monica]

ROFL @ "... what Gaia thinks..." as if we know. Oh wait, that's right only the elite few really know what Gaia thinks. Let's make them our gurus and do whatever they say.

Tenet, you have it backwards! Gaia spoke to meat-eaters, not the elite, fanatical zealots. And 'she' spoke in your favor, after all, so maybe you should reconsider trusting 'her.'

[Tenet Nosce]

I'm elite? LOL!

Yes.. but you are my kind of elite, so that makes it OK!

[Monica]

I'm elite? LOL!

Because you channel 'Gaia'? I think Tenet got it mixed up. After all isn't there some sort of consensus on this thread that it's the 'fanatical zealot vegetarians' who are elitist?

Unlesssss...wait a minute...could it be possible there are different categories of elite?

WOW! What if...only those who can channel are elite? I mean, they do after all have elite knowledge the rest of us don't have.

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I'm elite? LOL!

Yes.. but you are my kind of elite, so that makes it OK!

Um...isn't that kinda...divisive?

[Shemaya]

Yes, Gaia is Ok with humans eating animals as part of the circle of life, and she grieves over all planetary suffering, including animal suffering.

1. Did 'Gaia' mean humans eating animals in the way the Native Americans did? Only the extent necessary for survival? Or did 'Gaia' mean bacon for breakfast, hamburger for lunch, and chicken for dinner? With no connection at all to the animals that were killed...?

Don't know, You'll have to use your own discernment on that one.

2. Being that most of the meat consumed comes from torturous slaughterhouse conditions, was any distinction made when this question was asked of 'Gaia?'

No it was not

3. Who channeled Gaia? How can we be 100% certain that this channeling was 100% free of distortion?

You have to use your own discernment...a mentor of mine who channels Gaia, as well as my own resonance with the planet...I apparently channel Gaia, but not in words.

4. Being that the vast majority of people, including New Age psychics and channels, do eat meat, is it possible that their bias might have added some distortion?

Individual bias always adds distortion , imo. That's why you just take what moves you, what opens you up, and what resonates, and leave the rest.

[Tenet Nosce]

ROFL @ "... what Gaia thinks..." as if we know. Oh wait, that's right only the elite few really know what Gaia thinks. Let's make them our gurus and do whatever they say.

Tenet, you have it backwards! Gaia spoke to meat-eaters, not the elite, fanatical zealots. And 'she' spoke in your favor, after all, so maybe you should reconsider trusting 'her.'

I don't trust people who agree with me, or who tell me I am "OK" being who I am. I don't know about this Gaia. She seems too agreeable and motherly to be a goddess. Couldn't I pick a more wrathful or vengeful goddess who wants to "whip me into shape" or something?

[BrownEye]

On certain sections of gaia, it is fine for people to eat neighboring people.

I think rational thought is best used to look at where we want to be in the future as compared to where we are now. Then look at what steps actually need to be taken to get from here to there. Obviously this takes campaigning, cheerleading, and activism. I can think of a few that are in a position to do this.

[Tenet Nosce]

Um...isn't that kinda...divisive?

Yes, that is what made it a joke with an . Isn't that what those smileys mean? Or should I have used or ?

Or I suppose you could take offense at it if you prefer. It is your free choice.

[Shemaya]

Oh yes, you could pick Kali....and she has definitely made some appearances. It is Kali Yuga after all.

[Monica]

1. Did 'Gaia' mean humans eating animals in the way the Native Americans did? Only the extent necessary for survival? Or did 'Gaia' mean bacon for breakfast, hamburger for lunch, and chicken for dinner? With no connection at all to the animals that were killed...?

Don't know, You'll have to use your own discernment on that one.

2. Being that most of the meat consumed comes from torturous slaughterhouse conditions, was any distinction made when this question was asked of 'Gaia?'

No it was not

Well I find it a bit odd that that question wasn't asked. You said "lots" of people channel Gaia and they all say "the same thing" that eating animals is ok. How many of these channels eat meat? All of them, perchance?

Individual bias always adds distortion , imo. That's why you just take what moves you, what opens you up, and what resonates, and leave the rest.

Then, in that case, would you agree that it's possible that, if the person channeling eats animals, then the information might be distorted/biased in favor of "Gaia thinks it's ok for humans to eat animals" ?

[Tenet Nosce]

On certain sections of gaia, it is fine for people to eat neighboring people.

Good point.

I think rational thought is best used to look at where we want to be in the future as compared to where we are now.

Then- what is the purpose of telling people others how they feel, or how they should feel, as regards this issue? Do you think this helps or hinders us in getting where we want to be?

Then look at what steps actually need to be taken to get from here to there.

What do you see as the next step?

Obviously this takes campaigning, cheerleading, and activism.

Is that all? Or do you see other components to this?

I can think of a few that are in a position to do this.

A few? I've always thought it would take the many...

[Monica]

Yes, that is what made it a joke with an . Isn't that what those smileys mean? Or should I have used or ?

Or I suppose you could take offense at it if you prefer. It is your free choice.

Oh yeah, smileys totally undo what is said. Ok.

[BrownEye]

Is that all? Or do you see other components to this?

Rational thought among the people?

You're right, i give up LoL!

[Shemaya]

1. Did 'Gaia' mean humans eating animals in the way the Native Americans did? Only the extent necessary for survival? Or did 'Gaia' mean bacon for breakfast, hamburger for lunch, and chicken for dinner? With no connection at all to the animals that were killed...?

Don't know, You'll have to use your own discernment on that one.

2. Being that most of the meat consumed comes from torturous slaughterhouse conditions, was any distinction made when this question was asked of 'Gaia?'

No it was not

Well I find it a bit odd that that question wasn't asked. You said "lots" of people channel Gaia and they all say "the same thing" that eating animals is ok. How many of these channels eat meat? All of them, perchance?

Individual bias always adds distortion , imo. That's why you just take what moves you, what opens you up, and what resonates, and leave the rest.

Then, in that case, would you agree that it's possible that, if the person channeling eats animals, then the information might be distorted/biased in favor of "Gaia thinks it's ok for humans to eat animals" ?

I haven't asked them what they eat...I don't recall saying "lots" of channels saying this. One that I know personally, another that I read on another occasion. I think any channel can be distorted, probably safe to say that all channeling is distorted or biased to some degree.

Why are you so curious about what I have to say about Gaia? If its not resonating with you, it shouldn't matter, then again I do have a Gaia vibe I've been told, whatever that is

[Tenet Nosce]

Rational thought among the people?

Yeah, I doubt that. They are too busy name-calling and pointing fingers at each other.

You're right, i give up LoL!

I've heard this rumor that sometimes surrender works better than control...

[Monica]

I haven't asked them what they eat...I don't recall saying "lots" of channels saying this.

You didn't use the exact word "lots" but you did indicate multiple channels, here:

The animals are Gaia, their body is her body, and she has said through different channels the same message. You've said it doesn't resonate with you, Monica, and that's Ok, but it doesn't make it untrue.

One that I know personally, another that I read on another occasion. I think any channel can be distorted, probably safe to say that all channeling is distorted or biased to some degree.

Well then it seems logical to me that if the channel has a bias in favor of eating meat, then there is a high likelihood of distortion on that topic.

Why are you so curious about what I have to say about Gaia? If its not resonating with you, it shouldn't matter, then again I do have a Gaia vibe I've been told, whatever that is

Because of your statement:

Gaia is OK with humans eating meat.

This sounds very 'authoritative' to me. Sort of like saying "well Carla eats meat therefore it's ok" just in this case an even greater 'authority' is being used to justify one's actions - Gaia herself!

I mean, who could argue with that?

It sounds just like when the Christians say "God said it in the Bible I believe it that settles it."

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Tenet, I'm curious as to your take on this. How would you react if, say, yossarian or I were to say "Gaia says we should quit eating animals because it causes her suffering" ?

How would any of you react if we said that?

[Tenet Nosce]

Yes, that is what made it a joke with an . Isn't that what those smileys mean? Or should I have used or ?

Or I suppose you could take offense at it if you prefer. It is your free choice.

Oh yeah, smileys totally undo what is said. Ok.

Could be. Seeing as how your uncensored self apparently won't allow me to pass a smiley to another member without telling me what I mean by it, I don't see how it really matters, anyway.

[3DMonkey]

Get it. Got it. Good.

[Monica]

Could be. Seeing as how your uncensored self apparently won't allow me to pass a smiley to another member without telling me what I mean by it, I don't see how it really matters, anyway.

C'mon Tenet, you're sounding butthurt again.

[Tenet Nosce]

Tenet, I'm curious as to your take on this. How would you react if, say, yossarian or I were to say "Gaia says we should quit eating animals because it causes her suffering" ?

How would any of you react if we said that?

I would ask you to ask Gaia if we should stop having children because it causes us suffering.

[3DMonkey]

Get it. Got it. Good.

This belongs at the end of page 108. Sorry. Refresh confused me.

[Tenet Nosce]

Could be. Seeing as how your uncensored self apparently won't allow me to pass a smiley to another member without telling me what I mean by it, I don't see how it really matters, anyway.

C'mon Tenet, you're sounding butthurt again.

It doesn't matter if I am butthurt or not. You probably wouldn't believe me, anyway!

[Monica]

I would ask you to ask Gaia if we should stop having children because it causes us suffering.

I think you missed my point. You seem to readily accept someone's assertion that 'Gaia' said something, because it agrees with your own opinion. (You didn't challenge it, anyway.)

So I was wondering whether you would so readily accept it, if it didn't agree.

[BrownEye]

This thread is some serious entertainment for the anonymous masses.

[Monica]

This thread is some serious entertainment for the anonymous masses.

Yeah!

Speaking of entertainment, has anyone else watched the slaughterhouse videos yet? They are great entertainment! Who needs Netflix!

[Shemaya]

You don't take what I'm saying as authoritative?
Don't have to watch the videos...it's all happening in real time.