The undeniable truth of Darkness and STS

[Monica]

Stories and myths have been used since antiquity to convey the concepts of the archetypal energies. The archetypes are found in religious texts (personified by the characters in those stories), and oracles such as the Tarot, Astrology, Kabbalah, etc. Different stories, different characters, but underlying them all are the same concepts.

[Shin'Ar]

Stories and myths have been used since antiquity to convey the concepts of the archetypal energies. The archetypes are found in religious texts (personified by the characters in those stories), and oracles such as the Tarot, Astrology, Kabbalah, etc. Different stories, different characters, but underlying them all are the same concepts.

Yes, and that even extends to many of our so called fairy tales. Not to mention the codes and symbols found throughout the ancient sites and texts. This is the basis of Freemasonry.

[Monica]

Yes, and that even extends to many of our so called fairy tales. Not to mention the codes and symbols found throughout the ancient sites and texts. This is the basis of Freemasonry.

Yes. Just about any work of literature could be used to illustrate the archetypes, and codes and symbols are found in religious texts, sacred sites, architecture, etc. It's everywhere.

What makes the Ra Material stand out for many of us is that it's very stripped bare of any fluff...no stories, just the raw concepts presented with as little distortion as possible.

[godwide_void]

Listen and comprehend: Shin'Ar is on our side. I find it ironic that someone who carries himself with such zealousness and piousness towards serving our Creator is being challenged, dismissed and accused of having not so pure intentions as opposed to being celebrated, which is what I'd expected to have occurred from someone who not once has given the indication that at the forefront of his mind are not constant thoughts of being of service to the Creator in dispersing light and love-filled wisdom at any given opportunity. Sure, Shin'Ar might be a bit guilty of "preaching to the choir" so to speak, in that many of us here have obviously heard of and uttered similar rhetoric of spearheading a movement back towards the One beneath the banner of light, and perhaps his accusation of there being some here who are aligned with a more negative paradigm in his attempt to simply warn others of the danger of following a path which shies away from loving harmony rather than towards was probably not the most proper thing, but keep in mind that such a course of action was taken by him due to his ardent desire to be of service to you all by shedding light on a path which would not be conducive to anybody's pursuits here.

And even if Shin'Ar is on to something in that some among us are allegedly "STS" and act as a wolf in sheep's clothing, there is no indication that anybody here is attempting to spread disinformation or tarnish the positive path, or spread negative philosophies under the guise of a positive one. Even if this were the case, such efforts would not be successful given that nobody here would fall for trickery of this nature anyways, nobody here will be diverted from their chosen polarity simply because someone who is inherently greedy and manipulative made a few posts trying to sway others to become as such. Maybe there was no need to jump to such a conclusion. Oh, and just because he decided to post an entire excerpt from The Brown Notebook (and mind you, he at no point claimed that he authored these thoughts) as a way of supporting his cause, without making mention of where it was from, he is now deemed deceitful, deceptive, liar, possibly STS, etc. Really? So this small shenanigan somehow invalidates the 20+ other threads and posts he's made where he does nothing but offer praise to our Creator and champion the imminent glory of walking towards the Light??

I read his Wanderer's Thread story. He is very humble, and holds a vision of harmony as many of us here do. There is no reason for him to be in the situation of having to defend the quality of his character. Shin'Ar is an extremely wise and devoted disciple who has much to offer this community. The Ra Material is not the foundation for his philosophies, remember this. All which has been spoken by him has emerged from his very being, not being limited to what Ra has said. Perhaps it is actually threatening to some of you, the manner in which Shin'Ar presents and voices himself?; as being one steeped in ancient esoteric rites, of one who holds experiential knowledge of the very things he references rather than mere speculation and analysis of concepts which only remain as such in the minds of many, of one who practices and perceives rather than simply ponders, one who is aligned with the Light of his own accord and not because Ra mentioned it. Heed his words. His level of understanding goes deep, and his integration of it into life successfully affords him the opportunity to profess what he feels to be the most positive paradigm to ascribe to, yet the sage remains shunned and subjected to skeptical inquiry. He has every right to hold the demeanor and disposition he holds now, because face it: he is privy to ancient wisdom, he has experienced, he may indeed hold a deeper comprehension of the "light and love". He carries himself not with pride or arrogance, but with humble acquiescence and a strong desire to serve our Creator.

I will repeat, that Shin'Ar is on our side. There is absolutely no sense in trying to potentially drive him just because he might push some of you out of your comfort zones, something which shouldn't even be as such! His urgency to be of service for awakening is to be expected in this critical time, which might be perceived as him coming off "a little strongly", but even so he's doing so with the intention of spreading love and light, not disinformation of any sort. It is uncommon to find people these days who are deemed "prophets" that aren't done so in a snide and satirical manner, yet I am genuinely willing to apply the term to Shin'Ar. It is unbecoming for those of the community to seemingly "have it out" for him, depicted by their unwillingness to correspond with him and their skeptical remarks of him. His consciousness is one whom is very rewarding to share with.

All in all, as a community founded on the Law of One and the principles of love, acceptance, harmony, unity in diversity, and seeking and serving the Creator in all others, such discrepancies such as this shouldn't even have ever arisen. The opinion of he who has hands-on experience with the metaphysical and theosophical initiation should be valued, and little "slip-ups" of service should be allowed to slide. If none of you here are STS and don't intend to manipulate the community so as to send us all to undergo a downward spiral of negativity, his accusations shouldn't have affected you. And really, this whole STO vs. STS business has created an us vs. them mentality here, leading to a gap that needs to be bridged. Both polarities exist. Both are valid learning paths. One seeks the Light, the others shies away from it. Nobody here seems to shy from the Light unless specifically stated that they do. Hopefully, none here are trying to rob others of their light or sway them from the light. We all seek the light and love, correct? K, cool. Senseless internal conflicts such as this are completely unnecessary and unbecoming of this community. Just about every thread he makes includes the words "love" and "light" a few times in each post, and now he starts trying to relay to others that at this time it would be best to seek to perceive the One in All. He's just trying to relay to people that it'd be best to drift towards the Light rather than away from it. He is only trying to do what he feels would be the best way to serve you all, isn't it clear from the types of posts he makes?

Shin'Ar, go forth and do what you feel must be done. Our Creator blesses you for your efforts.

[Plenum]

hey GV, how's it going?

wondering where you've been ...

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yeah, lots of misunderstandings brother. That's why the Cosmos speaks in musical tones, as you well know

STAY JOYFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Monica]

Not sure if I felt imposed upon, but what I did react at was, a trap, and I didn't see it. I didn't get it. I was blind to it. When it was discovered, I got shocked that any member on this forum would go into such extremities in order to spread their philosophy. :exclamation:

Hmmm....I continue to marvel at how different people perceive the same actions in different ways. I can understand that, since you perceived Shin'Ar's actions as setting a trap, that you would understandably be bothered by that.

I didn't perceive Shin'Ar's actions as setting a trap. I didn't perceive any ill intent on his part at all; rather, I perceived a genuine desire to serve, which didn't work out very well because of the differences in approach and viewpoints, as I explained in my previous couple of posts. But I have myself fallen prey to other kinds of traps. The most common one I've fallen for is when people ask for help when they really don't want help, and our efforts end up getting sucked into black holes. I've gotten sucked into that one many times! Maybe someday I will learn to recognize that pattern.

In most cases, the person meant well but just had issues and blockages, and the appropriate response is love combined with wisdom.

Perhaps, in this case, it too calls for more wisdom on both sides, but there was no malevolent intent, as far as I can tell.

That is why I wrote in that post, that maybe Shin'Ar does teach us, but not in the ways that he tells us that he teaches.

Is that not true for us all?

Yes it is. Working on it. /

As we all are!

[Ankh]

Hmmm....I continue to marvel at how different people perceive the same actions in different ways. I can understand that, since you perceived Shin'Ar's actions as setting a trap, that you would understandably be bothered by that.

I am trying to leave it behind me, but sure have some issues left over, and since you asked

The post:

That entire post was taken from the transcripts of the Brown Notes.

After studying them it was undeniably obvious the stand that Hatonn and Latwii take on STS and the darkness. If you read what I have posted there you cannot deny it.

I had hoped that some of these members here who have been avoiding the discussion and trying deperately to sidestep all around might attack that thread thinking they were my words and catch themselves in a trap where they would actually be denying the teaching of hatonn and Latwii.

Tha did not heppen because they simply refused to even consider the thread at all no matter how hard I tried to lead them to it. I suspect they knew what I had in mind right from the start and that is why tyhey wouldn't go there.

so my plan did not work.

But that is NOt the issue here. I am not here to be liked by you. I am here to love you and try to tell you what I have found here in the place.

I didn't perceive Shin'Ar's actions as setting a trap. I didn't perceive any ill intent on his part at all; rather, I perceived a genuine desire to serve, which didn't work out very well because of the differences in approach and viewpoints, as I explained in my previous couple of posts.

I am working on this, Monica. But now perhaps you can see something that you've missed before?

As we all are!

I know.

[Monica]

I am working on this, Monica. But now perhaps you can see something that you've missed before?

No, I saw all that before. I just didn't read as much into as you did.

[Ankh]

No, I saw all that before. I just didn't read as much into as you did.

Ok, so you think it's ok for members of this community to set up traps for each other?

[Monica]

Ok, so you think it's ok for members of this community to set up traps for each other?

How do you get that from what I said?

[Oldern]

Ok, so you think it's ok for members of this community to set up traps for each other?

How do you get that from what I said?

...because that was admittedly what Shin'Ar has been doing, and you said that you just do not see it that way

I am with Ankh with this one - not that it matters -, this behaviour is not really the most elegant or most joyful way of expressing a teaching and brightening the mood. But whatever fits our boats.

[Monica]

...because that was admittedly what Shin'Ar has been doing, and you said that you just do not see it that way

I am with Ankh with this one - not that it matters -, this behaviour is not really the most elegant or most joyful way of expressing a teaching and brightening the mood. But whatever fits our boats.

In no way shape or form did I ever say it was 'ok' for anyone to intentionally 'trap' another. I never said that, and to say I did, is a gross misinterpretation or misrepresentation.

[Ankh]

Ok, so you think it's ok for members of this community to set up traps for each other?

How do you get that from what I said?

...because that was admittedly what Shin'Ar has been doing, and you said that you just do not see it that way

I am with Ankh with this one - not that it matters -, this behaviour is not really the most elegant or most joyful way of expressing a teaching and brightening the mood. But whatever fits our boats.

I agree completely with Oldern here.

Monica, you said that you didn't perceive Shin'Ar's actions as setting a trap. I provided you with the quote where he clearly states that he did. So I asked you if you seen it, and you said yes - but didn't read to much into it. There isn't so much to "read into" it, other than reading the very words, which were: "might attack that thread thinking they were my words and catch themselves in a trap where they would actually be denying the teaching of hatonn and Latwii." Is that ok?

But otherwise I am with Oldern - not that it matters - but whatever makes us sleep at nights. =)

[Monica]

I agree completely with Oldern here.

Monica, you said that you didn't perceive Shin'Ar's actions as setting a trap. I provided you with the quote where he clearly states that he did. So I asked you if you seen it, and you said yes - but didn't read to much into it. There isn't so much to "read into" it, other than reading the very words, which were: "might attack that thread thinking they were my words and catch themselves in a trap where they would actually be denying the teaching of hatonn and Latwii." Is that ok?

But otherwise I am with Oldern - not that it matters - but whatever makes us sleep at nights. =)

The point is, Ankh, that I did NOT say it was 'OK' to do that. You are saying I said something that I didn't say.

You are making a statement, then backing it up with an argument that has nothing to do with your original statement.

I didn't say it was ok or not ok.

[Ankh]

The point is, Ankh, that I did NOT say it was 'OK' to do that. You are saying I said something that I didn't say.

Monica, I am asking. Do you think that it's ok? I didn't say that you said it, just asking...

[Monica]

Monica, I am asking. Do you think that it's ok? I didn't say that you said it, just asking...

I prefer not to judge the motivations of others. Why are you trying to pin me down and get me to judge someone?

[Ankh]

I prefer not to judge the motivations of others. Why are you trying to pin me down and get me to judge someone?

I am not trying to get you to judge anyone. What I asked is: do you think that it's ok for members of this community to set up traps for each others? Just this, nothing else.

[Diana]

I prefer not to judge the motivations of others. Why are you trying to pin me down and get me to judge someone?

I am not trying to get you to judge anyone. What I asked is: do you think that it's ok for members of this community to set up traps for each others? Just this, nothing else.

I say forgive Shin'Ar. We all have our foibles. None of us is perfect. My guess is that it was not meant as a trap.

I, myself, have struggled continuously to be understood correctly here, and I am a writer (by profession). Let's cut everybody a little slack and help each other.

[Monica]

I prefer not to judge the motivations of others. Why are you trying to pin me down and get me to judge someone?

I am not trying to get you to judge anyone. What I asked is: do you think that it's ok for members of this community to set up traps for each others? Just this, nothing else.

Ankh, it does still seem like you're trying to get me to judge Shin'Ar, because you already know my stance on such issues. You already know that I think any action taken with malicious intent isn't 'ok' for one aspiring to STO. And you already know that I cannot judge the motivation of another person, though I did state that I believe Shin'Ar's intentions to be good, based on what I've read of his posts.

If the person's intentions are good, but his actions are misinterpreted by others, then it may be that all parties involved need to learn more wisdom and better communication skills. If intentions were good, then, at most, the action might later be viewed as a mistake, and the person might endeavor to use more wisdom next time.

So are mistakes 'ok'?

Bottom line is, I don't think Shin'Ar's action was any more or any less 'ok' than many other things I've seen happen here on this forum, many of which never got any outcry at all.

So I guess I'm wondering what all the fuss is about this time.

I say forgive Shin'Ar. We all have our foibles. None of us is perfect. My guess is that it was not meant as a trap.

Ankh has just pointed out that the word trap was used, therefore it's a trap.

So a lot of weight is being carried by that word. It seems that nothing Shin'Ar can say can alleviate the perception that his actions were malicious.

Let's say there is a feral cat in my neighborhood. I set up a humane trap, catch him, get him neutered, and adopt him. He's now well-fed, happy, and pampered. Were my actions malicious because I trapped him?

I would much rather not trap that cat. I'd much rather just set out some food and gradually tame him.

For the record, I'm not saying Shin'Ar's choice of approach was ok. Understanding something isn't the same as approving of it.

Neither am I saying it wasn't. I'm not saying anything at all about that, because I see no point in it. Is it 'ok' for me to misinterpret another member? Is it 'ok' for members to bicker? Is gossip ok? Are hurt feelings ok? I can think of myriad other mistakes and errors in judgment that happen on a daily basis here at Bring4th. It's not my place to judge those daily occurrences. This is but one of many; there's nothing special about it.

Why does this happen here on the forum, where people ask me to approve or disapprove of something they or someone else does?

I, myself, have struggled continuously to be understood correctly here, and I am a writer (by profession). Let's cut everybody a little slack and help each other.

Oh yes, me too!! I agree we should all cut everyone a little slack.

Look at what just happened. This discord with Shin'Ar has been going on for how many weeks or months now? Why, until yesterday, has no one else bothered to find out what he really meant by his use of the term STS?

Why did some choose to get offended, instead of realizing that maybe it was just a terminology problem?

I hadn't been reading Shin'Ar's posts, but when he posted his explanation of STS, and the stuff about the religions, I could see right away that his background is just different. The term STS didn't mean the same thing as it means to Law of One students.

(Does anyone remember when gay meant happy?)

My intention was to get clarification from Shin'Ar, not analyze or judge his intentions.

I hope my efforts at communication helped, because I'm done with this. I agree with Diana; I think it's time to move on. I wasn't entrenched in discord with Shin'Ar, so maybe it's easier for me to move on than it is for those who were more involved.

But you know what? I've noticed there sure are a lot of new threads lately. Now that I've quit modding, I'm missing a lot of discussions. But the cool thing is, Bring4th is getting to be a big place.

Is there room enough for all of us? Can we COEXIST? (Without getting, as Tenet would say, butthurt!)

[Tenet Nosce]

godwide_void - You make some very brilliant and wise points in your post that I intend to ponder and take to heart.

[Monica]

I don't want to speak for Shin'Ar, but my understanding of his concerns has nothing to do with the validity of both paths; it has to do with someone on one path dabbling in the other path.

(Shin'Ar, please correct me if I'm misunderstanding you.)

[3DMonkey]

Please, Shin'Ar! Correct us all!

[Monica]

Please, Shin'Ar! Correct us all!

I asked for correction only if I was misrepresenting his views, not for anything else.

[3DMonkey]

Please, Shin'Ar! Correct us all!

I asked for correction only if I was misrepresenting his views, not for anything else.

I ask for his almighty views to shed light on my is-being. And yours. He will answer. I wait.

[Bring4th_Austin]

godwide_void, that post was great, except I'm having a bit of trouble understanding your train of through regarding one issue here. Maybe you could clarify?

And really, this whole STO vs. STS business has created an us vs. them mentality here, leading to a gap that needs to be bridged.

I completely agree with this. I have never seen anyone disagree with Shin'Ar that the STS polarity needs to be ignored, and that discernment shouldn't be used. However, you go on to say:

He's just trying to relay to people that it'd be best to drift towards the Light rather than away from it. He is only trying to do what he feels would be the best way to serve you all, isn't it clear from the types of posts he makes?

Shin'Ar, go forth and do what you feel must be done. Our Creator blesses you for your efforts.

Now, you've admitted that Shin'Ar has accused various members of being STS. Shin'Ar has openly admitted to "trapping" them into revealing themselves and then attempts to discredit those people...consistently saying (in many different words) "it is those who disagree with me that you should be wary of." Shin'Ar was (read, WAS...I understand his moderation notice seems to have been effective), very obviously trying to create an US Vs. THEM dynamic. Warning certain members to beware of other members, especially ones that disagree with him? Essentially what was happening was Shin'Ar would accuse any member who disagreed with him of being STS, and saying that that members words should be discredited because of it.

Yet you go on to ask Shin'Ar to "go forth and do what you feel must be done."

I agree with your attitude. I think your post was greatly insightful and if taken to heart can help everyone here understand to some capacity. But these specific things do not add up. Shin'Ar wished to increase the gap between STO and STS, especially forum members he saw exhibiting behaviors he discerned to be such, rather than bridge that gap. I completely agree that the gap should be bridged, but I completely disagree with the idea that this is what Shin'Ar was trying to do.

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The type of behavior I saw exhibited by Shin'Ar, especially in the past couple days (prior to his warning), was divisive and inherently detrimental to the quality of the community as a safe place for discussion of topics we all hold dear. However, I don't see any reason not to continue to accept Shin'Ar as a insightful contributing member to the community, as that particular behavior changes. We talk about discernment over judgement, and I personally feel it is incredibly easy to discern Shin'Ar's previous goal of "ratting out STS members" and discrediting their contributions to the community. We can't ignore this discernment as it directly affects the quality of the community as a whole. Perhaps the whole ordeal can help lead us all to a better understanding of what it is to release judgement, offer acceptance, yet discern for the greater good of a community. I agree that much of the dissonance experienced in the wake of Shin'Ar's contributions may be attributed to miscommunication and misunderstanding, but I am ready to provide, with direct quotes from Shin'Ar's posts, clear reason for why I discerned this behavior to be what it is.

So I ask, please don't write off what happened and sweep it under the rug. Let us understand what happened and learn from it, free of judgement, and understand how it affects the community as a place of light.

Monica, I agree that Shin'Ar is not the first to exhibit these behaviors...we're probably all guilty of similar behavior at some point in the past. I don't feel that means we should ignore what has been brought to light. I think it may serve as a great reflection for the community as a whole to learn from.

Shin'Ar, you are loved and accepted here. Perhaps as you exhibit new posting habits and gain a greater understanding of vast array of members' view, how we relate those to the Ra teachings, and how we all view the infinite inclusiveness of the Creator, you won't feel it necessary to offer such a strong service where it is not called for. I look forward to your contributions and wisdom you shed on the many concepts we discuss here.

Can we all hug?

[Monica]

Now, you've admitted that Shin'Ar has accused various members of being STS.

Great post, Austin! But I'm wondering whether you might have missed Shin'Ar's post in which he explained his different definition of STS? He didn't intend it in the way Law of One students use the term. Please see the last few posts, if you missed them.

Shin'Ar has openly admitted to "trapping" them into revealing themselves and then attempts to discredit those people

I can't speak to any efforts to discredit anyone - I have no idea about that - but when I saw his 'trapping' I thought about when my son was little and I sneaked some veggies into his food without him knowing it. I wanted him to taste it first, before he knew what was in it, because if he knew it had veggies in it, he would decide he didn't like it before he even tried it.

That is how I perceived Shin'Ar's posting of the Brown Notes without saying who the author was. Sort of like those veggies. He seemed to want to see if people would have their minds already made up before they even read it.

Not optimal, surely, but I wouldn't call it malicious.

I agree that much of the dissonance experienced in the wake of Shin'Ar's contributions may be attributed to miscommunication and misunderstanding, but I am ready to provide, with direct quotes from Shin'Ar's posts, clear reason for why I discerned this behavior to be what it is.

So I ask, please don't write off what happened and sweep it under the rug. Let us understand what happened and learn from it, free of judgement, and understand how it affects the community as a place of light.

I missed all that so really can't comment. To clarify: I'm not proposing that anything be swept under the rug. By all means, those who feel there is more to clear up should certainly work to clear it up. I'm just leaving this discussion because I wasn't involved in any of this, and I just popped in to try to clear up what I saw as some gross misunderstandings.

Monica, I agree that Shin'Ar is not the first to exhibit these behaviors...we're probably all guilty of similar behavior at some point in the past. I don't feel that means we should ignore what has been brought to light. I think it may serve as a great reflection for the community as a whole to learn from.

Agreed! It will serve as a great reflection if everyone looks in the mirror and not just at Shin'Ar.

Can we all hug?

[Unbound]

I would like to make a further expression in this regard. I am to going to be blunt, and honest with the fullest of my perceptions.

There has been here played many dramas of the temporal world. We have fought, we have laughed, we have cried and shared in song together, shared in pain together and ultimately all come together to share in wisdom, love and companionship. All of those who are here, it doesn't matter who, is here because they seek, is here because they realize that it is worth seeking through the field of other selves. There are many ways that others may be interacted with to produce evolution within the One Field of Consciousness. We understand that since there is only One, and that we are That Which is One, All is That One, that there is no movement which does not cause evolution within that movement.

However, also understood is that idea that there is that which is Unmoved. We understand that the One Which Moves dances with the Unmoved One in an infinite alternating spiral devouring itself to sustain its own growth. This stillness is the point of Sustenance, where devouring and growing are in complete balance, the design of the seed. We understand that there is a natural tension which results from the imbalancing of this stillness, whereby devourment or growth becomes a manner of expression, where the Sustenance is Transmuted in to Motion or Energy. This is the plant growing from the seed.

All time exists simultaneously, the plant and the seed are One. The Source is That, a Source of Sustenance, which is Love, Wisdom, Knowledge, Consciousness, Experience, the Seed of All Creation. We understand that we must connect with this Source, not as a rule, but as it is the Prime Archetype of this Universal Expression it is that only thing which may be moved away from or towards, the Universal Reference Point, from which all Points derive and are Motions thereof. We understand that The Source self-differentiates through the dualistic mechanism of Formation. The Source attempts to achieve the kinetic state of its undifferentiated potentials, which have no Motion as they are in Equilibrium. Motion Circulates and Breathes, spins and expands/contracts.

The Source is Infinite, which means it is Without Definition of Boundaries. Motion is boundaries upon That Without Boundaries. There is interplay. There is drama within the Motion.

We see here drama within the Motion. We wish to express to the greatest extent we may the Oneness of this interaction. We see that there is much discomfort between fields of individual consciousness. We see that there are Motions which are complex in their activity, resulting in confusion from individuated perspective. We see that there is misunderstanding, and also great revealing of understanding.

We understand that there is dualism of perspective on the Source. We understand that there are many realities, many perceptual experiences further than that of the human body. We understand that the One Consciousness that we all are is akin to the stillness. The motion is identity, that One Consciousness in Motion. There is Identity in Motion which is the interplay of the One Consciousness. These identities interact through the meshing of moving patterns. There are hard patterns, soft patterns, fast patterns, slow patterns, complex patterns, simple patterns, any kind of pattern you can think of. They all interact.

We understand also that every pattern changes when it interacts with another pattern. We understand this to be evolution of the motion. We understand that evolution is the mechanism of motion. We understand that without motion there is no evolution. We also understand thus that without The Source, without the potential for motion, we have no motion, and thus no evolution.

We see here that ultimately, all individuals within this field of consciousness that is the forum are striving for The Source. Even those that disdain, disregard or refute such a thing existing are still drawn to and fro by powers beyond that which they understand, or are even aware, their desires. Desire is motion. The Source has no desire, for desire is a movement, an attraction, but The Source is in equilibrium, Stillness. When an individuated portion of the One Consciousness aligns itself with the nature of The Source that is the One Field of Consciousness, Stillness, it is no longer caught in motion, in movement. Thus, to do so, requires a harmonizing of those motions which constitute desire. This does not remove desire, this returns desire from a kinetic state to a potential state. Upon doing so, the desires, then being returned to The Source, are no longer a Motion, but instead become a Potential for Motion.

Thus, excessive desires which plague the body may be transmuted in to a state in which they no longer possess Identity, and thus as Potential for Motion may be utilized by The Source as further Motion. Of course, as such, the One Consciousness may then choose what the Potential for Motion that is associated with desires will express as in kinetic form. This, we feel, is what is meant by the many teachings as a "detachment from the flesh", when one is no longer caught in the motion of their own desires and has instead within them the potential and capacity to utilize desire in accordance to the will. Before, the Will, which could be considered that which is the mechanism of potential made kinetic, was distorted and scattered energy, for there was too much motion. When the desires are integrated, external motion is lessened and the Will becomes more efficient, more concentrated.

Therein lies the importance of the teachings which lie behind the concept that is Service. We understand that there is growth and devourment. We understand that these are the two modes of evolution. We understand that Consciousness may thus be oriented either towards growth or devourment, or in accordance with The Source.

The Source is Nature, the complete mechanism of nature, in Potential. The cycles of Nature are thus the motion of The Source. Thus, we know that animals, plants, the stars, the planets, the seasons, these things are of Nature, and are thus as The Source. We understand that balance is that which is seeked by many. We understand that all seek the Source, which is Equilibrium. We also understand that there shall never cease to be Motion. Thus, we understand that to return to the Source is not to be disengaged from Motion, but to be aware of the Self as Source, and Other Self as Motion. Thus we reveal that inherent within all Motion, is The Source, and thus Stillness. Thus, All is The Unmoving Source in Motion.

We understand the nature of the message from the one who identifies as Shin'Ar. We understand the expression of the motion towards Source. We understand that there are modes of evolution, there is growth and devourment. We also understand that overactive devourment, as entropy, can only be ultimately diminishing. We understand that to live according to the tenets of devourment, one is engaging in diminishment. We understand that this is not in balance with The Source, as the source is in Equilibrium. We thus also know that too much growth can be equally detrimental to a system.

Now, we also understand that although it is desirous to return to The Source, we also understand that to be One with the Source means to be a part of that which The Source does, which is... create motion, expression and energy. This is thus to imply that when one connects with The Source, it is not the end of the road of the development of Consciousness. The Source can be connected with and still Motion shall continue. The question thus then, is when one has connected with Source, in which manner shall it create Motion? Will it create motion which is excessive in growth or devourment? Or will it create motion which is fluid and balanced in its growth and devourment, thus achieving deeper Oneness with The Source?

All is energy. See how when there is discord we all devour that energy, we take fun in the pursuit, in the hunt, the desire. This is our inclination towards devourment. When we see harmony and resonate with it, we shine and uplift, this is our inclination towards growth. These two must be weighed and balanced in every moment.

We understand there has been much, much confusion of language between these fields of consciousness. We understand that there is tension as a result of the way catalyst is being digested. We also understand that there is a way by which this tension may be relieved, through the harmonizing capabilities of all individuated fields of consciousness. We understand this capability to be Love, to be that which is Acceptance. We ask all of you, and of ourselves, how we are using that Love? Is our Love hard or is it gentle? Why have we all become so caught up in the illusions of our separation?

Words are powerful, and are the triggers for many things, we would urge all to consider the power they wield through this medium. We see greater understanding on the horizon and all shall reconcile in time, we give you all blessings, shanti, adonai.

[Monica]

Wow, that's some heavy stuff there, Eternal One!

[Shin'Ar]

It is possible that some of the posters in this thread may have missed my post in the wandered thread because it was moved to an older one. I attempted to explain myself and apologize for what was obviously alot of misunderstanding, caused by our different defintions of self serving.

I admitted that now that Monica had picked up on that misunderstanding that I can now see why some of you reacted to my terminologies the way that you did.

With regard to my being accused of setting a trap and using my wording of that to support the accusation, all I can say is that my wording is not always appropriate. I posted those quotes in the hopes of getting someone to respond to what I had been trying to get responses to in other thread that just wasn't working. I hoped that if I could get those who were in disagreement with those quotes to actually say so, than I could finally figure out who is what. And maybe I would be able to figure out why things were so confusing. I went about it this way because I knew that my own words were only drawing contention.


Now, afterwards, as I treid to explain my reason for goiung about it, I did say that I had hoped to entrap people in their arguments. My wording probably could have been different. But I did not mean that I was deliberately setting a trap. I meant that I hoped to catch them trapped in their own arguments of quotes made from others who I thought they would respect.

It seemed like a clever way of conrtinuing the discussion on another playing field to me, and i have posted that I should have been more obvious about it. but being obvious would have defeated the purpose of it.

Now if anyone feels they want to drag this out solely for the purpose of degrading me, that is their choice. No one can stop them from making that choice.

I think that no one can disagree with me when I note that my efforts regardless of how one fells about them, has certainly opened up the discussion on the dangers and risks of dabbling on the STS path. Which is all I really wanted to accomplish in the first place because it does matter to me that such danger might be allowed to take root, without ever being challenged.

I have spoken with the Mods about the forum guidelines and have conceded to try to understand when my passion begins to border on preaching so that I can use caution with regard to words and terms that would create offense. Even in this thread already it is not hard to see the particular members who seem to be eager to either taunt, ridicule or condemn me. But I am not going to grab onto that line. The mods are ready to hang me on it, lol.

So I will just ignore the taunting and the judgement, and seek to be a Light in the darkness by simply loving you all regardless of how you might feel about me. It is not important that I am liked, it is important that I show love toward you. That is my choice and in my full control.

I am extremely curious as to how many of you managed to come to this place? In my experiences there are very few who come to an understanding about the One Consciousness, and histroy is rampant with generation after generation of humans slowly coming to this understanding via a long road of poor decisions. It has taken many lifetimes for many to reach this level of understanding, and yet, suddenly here you all are in this place speaking of such things, as though it was commoinplace knowledge all along. I know that to some of you it may seem very natural for you to be here, but I assure you it is NOT.

There are many who have speant lifetimes trying to get to where you are now. many wise people could not arrive here. many very intelligent people could not comprehend these truths that you realize so casually. I don't think that we all realize the enormity of the awareness that we have acquired here. we are experiencing an extremely accelerated awakening in the final months of the great coming change.

And so as The Eternal has so poignantly expressed, the devouring is creating some hiccups.

When fields of consciousness share such vast amounts of information, a burp is to be expected.

[Aaron]

Oh man, Eternal... that is awesome! Not only for the message, but also because:

There has been here played many dramas of the temporal world. We have fought, we have laughed, we have cried and shared in song together, shared in pain together and ultimately all come together to share in wisdom, love and companionship. All of those who are here, it doesn't matter who, is here because they seek, is here because they realize that it is worth seeking through the field of other selves. There are many ways that others may be interacted with to produce evolution within the One Field of Consciousness. We understand that since there is only One, and that we are That Which is One, All is That One, that there is no movement which does not cause evolution within that movement.

This could be what the civilization realizes at the very beginning of 4D. Perhaps that even captures the first thought of a social memory complex.

However, also understood is that idea that there is that which is Unmoved. We understand that the One Which Moves dances with the Unmoved One in an infinite alternating spiral devouring itself to sustain its own growth. This stillness is the point of Sustenance, where devouring and growing are in complete balance, the design of the seed. We understand that there is a natural tension which results from the imbalancing of this stillness, whereby devourment or growth becomes a manner of expression, where the Sustenance is Transmuted in to Motion or Energy. This is the plant growing from the seed.

And with this realization and the complete physical balancing of their planet... they become 5D!

All time exists simultaneously, the plant and the seed are One. The Source is That, a Source of Sustenance, which is Love, Wisdom, Knowledge, Consciousness, Experience, the Seed of All Creation. We understand that we must connect with this Source, not as a rule, but as it is the Prime Archetype of this Universal Expression it is that only thing which may be moved away from or towards, the Universal Reference Point, from which all Points derive and are Motions thereof. We understand that The Source self-differentiates through the dualistic mechanism of Formation. The Source attempts to achieve the kinetic state of its undifferentiated potentials, which have no Motion as they are in Equilibrium. Motion Circulates and Breathes, spins and expands/contracts.

Now our friends are in 6D. +1 for the word archetype!

After this point, I'm pretty sure Eternal contacted intelligent infinity and started channeling.

Seriously though, thank you for that amazing post.