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artichoke · 01-09-2009, 03:03 AM

http://www.universetoday.com/2009/01/05/...o-collide/

They say the Milky Way seems to have gotten heavier and is spinning faster. That assumes, I think, that we're in the same relative location within the galaxy.

An alternate explanation, that I think would also explain the data, is that we are moving closer to the center of the galaxy. That would make sense if we are experiencing an increase in density.

But our surrounding stars would have to move with us, otherwise the night sky would look different.

Observations of daytime differences, changes in sunrise and sunset times and the sun's trajectory through the sky, are discussed often here. http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zetanew.htm . Their explanation is that another planet is coming through the solar system, throwing off gravitational relationships. A general move toward the galactic center (instead of a new huge planet in the vicinity) might provide an alternate explanation for these phenomena as well.

*Bring4th_Steve* · 01-09-2009, 03:49 AM

Artichoke,

Great UniverseToday reference to the article on the galaxy! There are some definite changes taking place, and I do agree that they are very likely tied to our own movements into a denser energy field (as part of our transition to 4D).

I didn't resonate with anything in ZetaTalk, though. The content is contains many fear-based statements and focuses on transient information. Any time you rely on transient data, you have to account for the fact that probability nexuses are constantly changing as society continues to manifest itself through its actions and beliefs.

There are also clues that the information is "detuned". The entities claim that love is necessary and vital, but yet they backhand you with a statement of fear, like, "..but be weary of the pole shift!"

Be careful when you see messages with mixed polarity.

artichoke · 01-10-2009, 06:21 PM

(01-09-2009, 03:49 AM)Bring4th_Steve Wrote: Artichoke,

Great UniverseToday reference to the article on the galaxy! There are some definite changes taking place, and I do agree that they are very likely tied to our own movements into a denser energy field (as part of our transition to 4D).

I didn't resonate with anything in ZetaTalk, though. The content is contains many fear-based statements and focuses on transient information. Any time you rely on transient data, you have to account for the fact that probability nexuses are constantly changing as society continues to manifest itself through its actions and beliefs.

There are also clues that the information is "detuned". The entities claim that love is necessary and vital, but yet they backhand you with a statement of fear, like, "..but be weary of the pole shift!"

Be careful when you see messages with mixed polarity.

Quite frankly, zetatalk has a lousy record of accuracy, and it looks like they try to avoid questions that they claim they would know but actually cannot even guess at the answer (their frequent "snappy answers"). My opinion is the same as yours, but it's just an opinion.

That doesn't mean I don't quote them, to an audience that is tuned-in like the one here. I'm all in favor of reading widely. But I would not send a newcomer to all this stuff to them; it's not fair until they have a bit of background first.

*Bring4th_Steve* · 01-16-2009, 04:10 PM

Actually, you won't find too many entities who spew fear-based material to be accurate at all. Entities try to gain trust by showing signs of love and understanding, and then they'll slip in a little doom and gloom here, a little uncertainty there, and before you know it, the next mass landing is being predicted! Confused

I think that's very wise for you to mention that you prefer to allow others to reach a similar level of scrutiny to help prevent them from getting trapped in fear-based statements.

There are certainly TONS of mixed-polarity sites out there, so if people have planned for themselves to receive such catalyst, it will occur, as planned. I do know that unlike those other sites, Bring4th is trying to root itself in messages of love and understand as strongly as possible. The more the community seeks love-based truth, the more this site will be fulfilling its mission. So definitely keep your great insights coming and be sure to use your heart to determine whether a message you read is mixed-polarity before it gets posted to Bring4th.

Keep on truckin'!
Steve

artichoke · (This post was last modified: 01-17-2009, 05:54 AM by artichoke.)

Well OK, I'll try to keep things a bit more on the beam here. But I may not be able to post much in the geek forum because my approach to science is to look at things from all the angles I can bear to think of, the more uncomfortable the better. This doesn't mean I won't post to Bring4th, just that I'll probably be primarily in the other sections.

Maybe someone will find this site but none of the negative ones, because their incarnational plan calls for that.
Mine calls for eclecticism, if things are going at all according to plan! Honestly in this world, my thoughts are well summed up by the Cat Stevens lyrics

Whoa, baby baby it's a wild world
And it's hard to get by, just upon a smile ...

so I usually assume that people will have run into lots of ... um ... catalyst.

I would suggest one other thing, in comparing our style here with what we might read from Ra or Q'uo. I'm getting this idea from the book "Bringers of the Dawn" but I suspect I've also seen it elsewhere. Entities from outside this world do not have the right to infringe on our free will here. But I don't think we are supposed to be as conservative. We can go all-out to do as much as we can. Here "in the soup", we have the right to bring all our knowledge, biases, etc. to bear in our service to others, or for that matter our service to ourselves. In other words, Q'uo might not be able to say direct uncomplimentary things about Zetatalk, but we can. And if one of them were to incarnate here, that person could too.

Monica · (This post was last modified: 01-17-2009, 01:10 PM by Monica.)

(01-17-2009, 05:33 AM)artichoke Wrote: Maybe someone will find this site but none of the negative ones, because their incarnational plan calls for that.
Mine calls for eclecticism, if things are going at all according to plan!

Hi artichoke!

I definitely understand what you're saying, and I too have had an eclectic path. My experiences with less-than-pure info have helped me learn, so I certainly don't regret them!

For what it's worth, I don't think Steve is saying that those experiences aren't valuable, and I don't think he's trying to tell anyone that they can't or shouldn't read that stuff. He's just trying to honor the guidelines of the forum, which, from what I understand, were part of Carla's vision in creating this forum.

I don't want to speak for Carla of course, but my impression from her is that she envisioned this forum as a narrow-beam gathering place for those seeking to learn/teach the LOO, and, even though many of us have obviously learned from a great many other sources, if we get too much into that other stuff here on the forum, it may dilute the purpose of this forum. Especially since there are literally hundreds (thousands?) of other websites/forums out there catering to mixed-polarity messages, there isn't really a need to add 1 more mixed-polarity forum...but there IS a need to have a forum that is as pure in its polarity as we can possibly make it.

I don't think it's so much about worrying that some newbie might stumble upon a mixed-polarity message (since that person will find it one way or another if it's appropriate for him/her), as it is about having a place for Wanderers/LOO adherents to gather, exchange ideas related to the LOO, teach/learn, and recharge from the wild world out there...it's tough going sometimes, and we all need to recharge a bit sometimes...this could be a safe haven for us to get back on track, get inspired, and hone the Light we wish to shine into the world. We can better do that if we have at least 1 place to go to, that can help keep us focused.

That's just my take on it!

(01-17-2009, 05:33 AM)artichoke Wrote: I would suggest one other thing, in comparing our style here with what we might read from Ra or Q'uo. I'm getting this idea from the book "Bringers of the Dawn" but I suspect I've also seen it elsewhere. Entities from outside this world do not have the right to infringe on our free will here. But I don't think we are supposed to be as conservative. We can go all-out to do as much as we can. Here "in the soup", we have the right to bring all our knowledge, biases, etc. to bear in our service to others, or for that matter our service to ourselves. In other words, Q'uo might not be able to say direct uncomplimentary things about Zetatalk, but we can. And if one of them were to incarnate here, that person could too.

This is a good point and one that is, imo, worthy of discussion. I have often wondered whether to follow Q'uo's guidelines of providing help only to the call. But I wasn't sure if we were expected to have such a high standard of non-interference as entities currently not incarnate in the Earth plane. Since we are here in this illusion, it's a bit more difficult to accurately discern the call of an other-self, especially since people's words and actions aren't always congruent with their true desires. In addition, there is the question of: Since we did come here to try to help increase the Harvest, just how much 'speaking up' is appropriate? Obviously, we all know to smile at the cashier at the grocery store and just help raise the vibration with love and joy, but many of us feel driven by various causes (environmental, political, charitable, whatever) and Ra has indicated that many Wanderers have indeed taken on roles in which they did important work that affected the lives of many. We don't have to be famous of course, but just willing to speak up or take action on something that we feel is important...whatever that may be...and when we do that, are we abiding by the standards set by Q'uo? And should we abide by those standards?

I don't know the answer to this and am interested in others' viewpoints. If someone remembers Q'uo already addressing this, please let us know! I do remember a session in which Q'uo said something to the effect of, if we feel very compelled to get involved in something, then we probably have an important contribution to make in that area. But I don't recall Q'uo specifically addressing the question of only offering help when there is a call...or how to discern exactly whether there is a call. It seems to me that the entire planet is sort of calling out, so it's a little harder to intuit individual calls when we're in the midst of it.

artichoke · (This post was last modified: 01-17-2009, 06:49 PM by artichoke.)

I'll continue this tangent ...

For Q'uo outside of our illusion, the Call may have certain forms. But here in our illusion, the most frequent form of Call is, in my opinion, catalyst!

We are "on display" in many ways to many people, and how we deal with real-life catalyst is an important statement that we have no way to avoid making. I've resented that "on display" status in the past but feel I have gotten past that now, more-or-less, maybe just because things have been relatively easy lately for me. We need not pretend we are somehow above the soup, no we are fully in it, with all the rights and privileges that come with it!

Ra said that we are here to fulfill our every desire. This is our life, we should really live it. And we don't have to ask Q'uo for instructions unless we want to. Their information is sometimes quite clever and their insights useful, but personally I think I'm better at the nitty-gritty 3-D free-will stuff (getting things done properly, getting proper things done, in this environment) myself. If they knew everything (and they always say they don't) what would they need me for? (and they always say they do!)

Monica · 01-19-2009, 03:27 AM

(01-17-2009, 06:46 PM)artichoke Wrote: Ra said that we are here to fulfill our every desire. This is our life, we should really live it. And we don't have to ask Q'uo for instructions unless we want to. Their information is sometimes quite clever and their insights useful, but personally I think I'm better at the nitty-gritty 3-D free-will stuff (getting things done properly, getting proper things done, in this environment) myself. If they knew everything (and they always say they don't) what would they need me for? (and they always say they do!)

Ra said we are here to fulfill our desires, yes, but Ra also said that we are here to choose our polarity, and Ra was very clear that choosing the STO polarity means not harming an other-self or infringing on their free will, dominating them, or any such STS activity. Suggestions were given as to how to express our desires without harming another.

I don't recall Q'uo ever suggesting that we ask for instructions about anything. Quite the opposite, in fact: in every session, Q'uo makes it clear that they are offering their service, but if we do not resonate with it, just discard.

I don't recall Q'uo ever saying they needed us. They benefit from the teach/learn process, just as we do. But I don't recall anything about need. They are here to be of service. I don't think they would be offended in the least if you decline their service, or just use the parts that you resonate with.

artichoke · 01-19-2009, 02:03 PM

If we have not chosen polarity we are here to do that. I don't know if you meant to imply that I harmed someone else or infringed on their free will -- please clarify. What were the suggestions on how to express our desires without harming another?

I didn't say "ask for instructions", that's your phrase. I should clarify that I'm better at choosing direction for myself, and that's largely because I am here "in the soup" and am more familiar with the experience here. (In the greater sense, there is not a distinction between us of course, but I'm the guy on my particular front-line.) I don't claim to choose for others. Like Q'uo and like you here, I offer my opinions.

And at the moment I'm wondering at the amount of discomfort my opinions seem to be causing. Heck, there's a guy on another thread who has announced that he is STS or striving to perfect that, and everyone thanks him for his presence! Smile

I won't try to act like Q'uo -- but which part of Q'uo are you thinking of anyway? I like Oxal, who is rather abrupt and straightforward. There's also the one who talks a lot about being in a ball of white light. Anyway, the service I'm offering right here is encouraging us to be straightforward.

Latwii said they do need us so that they can be of service. Where? Probably somewhere around 1980, give or take a few years, which is where I've been reading lately.

Monica · 01-19-2009, 03:06 PM

(01-19-2009, 02:03 PM)artichoke Wrote: If we have not chosen polarity we are here to do that. I don't know if you meant to imply that I harmed someone else or infringed on their free will -- please clarify. What were the suggestions on how to express our desires without harming another?

No, I wan't implying anything about you at all - sorry if it seemed that way! Sad

I was speaking in generalities.

The LOO is full of guidelines for the STO path. Not infringing on the free will of others is the ultimate prime directive for those choosing the STO path. Since we all have had emotions concerning others, Ra recommended that those emotions be released and transmuted in such a way so as not to harm an other-self. There are myriad ways to do that...physical activities to release stress and anger, using the imagination but not acting upon those impulses, etc. Q'uo has also provided detailed instructions on how to recognize negative emotions and bring them up into the heart chakra, where they can be transformed into love. (I'm actually trying to locate that transcript - it is a very powerful technique!)

(01-19-2009, 02:03 PM)artichoke Wrote: I didn't say "ask for instructions", that's your phrase.

Sorry if I misunderstood! I was responding to your earlier post:

(01-17-2009, 06:46 PM)artichoke Wrote: ...Ra said that we are here to fulfill our every desire. This is our life, we should really live it. And we don't have to ask Q'uo for instructions unless we want to...

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(01-19-2009, 02:03 PM)artichoke Wrote: I should clarify that I'm better at choosing direction for myself, and that's largely because I am here "in the soup" and am more familiar with the experience here. (In the greater sense, there is not a distinction between us of course, but I'm the guy on my particular front-line.) I don't claim to choose for others. Like Q'uo and like you here, I offer my opinions.

OK.

(01-19-2009, 02:03 PM)artichoke Wrote: And at the moment I'm wondering at the amount of discomfort my opinions seem to be causing. Heck, there's a guy on another thread who has announced that he is STS or striving to perfect that, and everyone thanks him for his presence!

Not sure what you're referring to. I'm not uncomfortable...but I can't speak for anyone else.

We thanked the other guy for his service. If he is truly on the STS path, it is a difficult path. However, the LOO is biased to STO, so we do seek understanding of everyone participating in this forum that this forum does have a decidedly STO bias, since it is based on the LOO.

artichoke · (This post was last modified: 01-19-2009, 06:47 PM by artichoke.)

I thought the LOO was a statement of reality, not a statement of STO orientation. At some point, I think they call it 6D, one gets above polarization as one is growing in realization of the LOO.

Like Newtonian mechanics work the same whether you're a Democrat or a Republican.

While there may be distortions of it, including STO distortions, it is what it is. Our journey is to discover more and more about it.

Perhaps STS have different views of reality, but it's interesting that the guy chose to visit here.

Monica · (This post was last modified: 01-19-2009, 08:29 PM by Monica.)

(01-19-2009, 06:45 PM)artichoke Wrote: I thought the LOO was a statement of reality, not a statement of STO orientation. At some point, I think they call it 6D, one gets above polarization as one is growing in realization of the LOO.

Ra/Q'uo, while beyond polarity themselves, have stated that they answer the call of STO entities.

Of course, I agree that certainly anyone, regardless of polarity, may find value in the info. None of us can presume to know what value the info might have for another.

artichoke · 01-19-2009, 09:00 PM

Nit-picky detail perhaps but I don't think all of Q'uo is beyond polarity. Laitos for example is in 5D I think, though sometimes I thought it was 4D, and so they are within a density of polarization.

Travis · 01-19-2009, 09:41 PM

Ra/Q'uo are not beyond polarity as you would have to be in 7th density to achieve that. Ra is 6D. Q'uo is 4D as Hatonn, 5D as Latwii and 6D as Ra.

artichoke · 01-19-2009, 10:52 PM

Travis, those levels are what I first thought, but then reading back around 1980, I saw statements that put I think Hatonn and Latwii at 5D and 6D respectively. Sorry I don't have the reference handy, there are an awful lot of transcripts, but I remember thinking that I had thought them one density lower.

Not that the number makes a big difference all by itself, maybe they were counting differently?

I think 6D has been called "beyond polarity" or similar words. I'm sure I've read that negative polarity can't get there, as it cannot suck up enough energy involuntarily from others to make it that far, so even if those in 6D have characteristics of positive polarity, they don't have "strong counterparts" to enjoy or whatever one does with friends of negative polarity.

*Steppingfeet* · (This post was last modified: 01-21-2009, 02:05 AM by Steppingfeet.)

Just a quick addition to this great thread. I do believe that Ra is "beyond polarity".

Session #1

Quote:RA: I am Ra. We communicate now. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized; the complexities are simplified; the paradoxes have a solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

A helpful key to understanding why the entity polarizing positive would be receptive to Ra's understanding and why Ra would attempt to communicate exclusively with those of service to others polarity is in the description given to the positive path: "the path of that which is", in contrast to the description given to the negative path: "the path of that which is not".

The negative polarity is predicated upon the conscious rejection of love and the divinity of all. Therefore, though beyond polarity, Ra's message of that which is: unity, love, light, and joy, would be rejected by those of the negative polarity as being folly.

Only those upon the path of that which IS, the positive path, would be able to receive Ra's vibration.

As to the others... Hatton is fourth density, the density of love, and Latwii is fifth density, the density of wisdom. Both are still working in polarized time/space, according to L/L's channeling.

Correct me if I'm wrong!

Much love,
GLB

PS: I like your analogy of the operation of Newtonian physics as being identical upon the Republican and Democrat, Artichoke. Great analogy!!

Travis · (This post was last modified: 01-21-2009, 01:42 AM by Travis.)

artichoke Wrote:Travis, those levels are what I first thought, but then reading back around 1980, I saw statements that put I think Hatonn and Latwii at 5D and 6D respectively.

Hatonn is in the fourth density. Here is a quote:

Hatonn Wrote:We are in a
heavenly kingdom, as we are in the fourth density,
that density of love, and from this density we can see
the Creator in each of you and in each of us.

Click for link to this transcript

Latwii is in the fifth dimension. Quote:

Latwii Wrote:We of
Latwii inhabit the density of five. That is the density
of light, the seeking of wisdom.

Click for link to this transcript

(01-19-2009, 10:52 PM)artichoke Wrote: I'm sure I've read that negative polarity can't get there, as it cannot suck up enough energy involuntarily from others to make it that far, so even if those in 6D have characteristics of positive polarity, they don't have "strong counterparts" to enjoy or whatever one does with friends of negative polarity.

Negative entities of the fifth dimension can graduate to the sixth dimension but eventually have to switch polarity to positive to continue their evolution. Here is a quote from the study guide:

Quote: RA: There are no negative beings that have obtained the Higher Self manifestation. (B2, 66)

XV. NEGATIVE SIXTH DENSITY ENTITIES SWITCH TO THE POSITIVE PATH

RA: As the 6th density approaches, the negative orientation is thrown into confusion and little space travel is attempted. (B3, 13)

RA: These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for

after 5th density graduation wisdom is available but it must be matched with an equal amount of love. This is difficult to do for negatively oriented entities so they will choose to release the negativity and leap into 6th density positive. (B2, 66)

RA: The 6th density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of the 6th density.

THUS, LOVING THE CREATOR AND REALIZING AT SOME POINT THAT THE CREATOR IS NOT ONLY SELF BUT OTHER-SELF AS SELF, THIS ENTITY CONSCIOUSLY CHOOSES AN INSTANTANEOUS ENERGY REORIENTATION SO THAT IT CAN CONTINUE ITS EVOLUTION. (B2, 66)

(01-20-2009, 11:32 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Just a quick addition to this great thread. I do believe that Ra is "beyond polarity".

Indeed! I found this in the study guide:

Ra Wrote:We seek without polarity. Thus we do not invoke any power from without, but our search has become internalized as we become light/love and love/light. We seek balances between love and wisdom which more and more allow our understanding of experience to be informed that we may come closer and closer to the unity with the One Creator which we so joyfully seek. (B3, 98)

Monica · 01-23-2009, 05:01 PM

From the very first session:

Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We are those who are of the Law of
One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized; the complexities are
simplified; the paradoxes have a solution. We are one. That is our nature
and our purpose.
We are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of
success in transmitting the Law of One, of Unity, of Singleness to your
peoples. We have walked your planet. We have seen the faces of your
peoples. However, we now feel the great responsibility of staying in the
capacity of removing the distortions and powers that have been given to the
Law of One. We will continue in this, until, shall we say, your cycle is
appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next. We are not a part of
time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times.

06-24-2009, 05:24 PM

I have read several items claiming that our solar system is moving toward the Galactic Center. These remind me of the urban legends that circulate every few years as the orbits of Mars and Earth come closer. There are claims as the planets get closer that Mars will appear in the night sky larger than the Moon. Well, if that did happen we would be goners for sure due to the gravitational forces that would be at work. Anyway, it is highly unlikely that we are moving towards the GC, particularly due to the centripetal force of galactic rotation. What generally is meant is that we are coming into some alignment with the GC and a third point, although that third point never is clarified. [We are always in alignment with the GC if you only consider us and the GC because two points are connected by a straignt line at all times... simple geometry.] Also, movement of our solar system to the center of the galaxy would notmake the galaxy heavier. Basic thermodynamics. Density is one thing, wieght another. No, I think the references to density are more metaphysical than anything.

For a more exciting and at the same time scientific research study, check out Binary Research Institute's analysis that we likely are partners in a binary star system. I find this fascinating given how the shift from a geocentric perspective changed civilization and what a possible new shift in perspective might hold for us!

(01-09-2009, 03:03 AM)artichoke Wrote: http://www.universetoday.com/2009/01/05/...o-collide/

They say the Milky Way seems to have gotten heavier and is spinning faster. That assumes, I think, that we're in the same relative location within the galaxy.

An alternate explanation, that I think would also explain the data, is that we are moving closer to the center of the galaxy. That would make sense if we are experiencing an increase in density.

But our surrounding stars would have to move with us, otherwise the night sky would look different.

Observations of daytime differences, changes in sunrise and sunset times and the sun's trajectory through the sky, are discussed often here. http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zetanew.htm . Their explanation is that another planet is coming through the solar system, throwing off gravitational relationships. A general move toward the galactic center (instead of a new huge planet in the vicinity) might provide an alternate explanation for these phenomena as well.

Bruno · (This post was last modified: 07-01-2009, 11:42 AM by Bruno.)

(01-20-2009, 11:32 PM)Bring4th_GLB Wrote: Just a quick addition to this great thread. I do believe that Ra is "beyond polarity".

Session #1

Quote:RA: I am Ra. We communicate now. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized; the complexities are simplified; the paradoxes have a solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

A helpful key to understanding why the entity polarizing positive would be receptive to Ra's understanding and why Ra would attempt to communicate exclusively with those of service to others polarity is in the description given to the positive path: "the path of that which is", in contrast to the description given to the negative path: "the path of that which is not".

I don´t think this is correct, but i may be wrong.
Ra doesn´t need to be beyond polarity to recognise the unity between poles, or to work for that goal - integration and unification. It is just a matter of perception, and also of will too.

If the 'positive path' is to acknowledge just one side of the equation (i.e. love) it is just as discriminating as acknowledging only the opposite of love.
Perhaps the 'positive path' is more likely one of 'integration', whereas the 'negative' one is that of discrimination and distinction.

Quote:The negative polarity is predicated upon the conscious rejection of love and the divinity of all. Therefore, though beyond polarity, Ra's message of that which is: unity, love, light, and joy, would be rejected by those of the negative polarity as being folly.

Unity cannot mean focusing only on one side of reality. That is rejecting the Oneness that emcompasses all creation, in its infinite aspects.

Bruno

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