5D STS -> 6D STO

[Liet]

Doesn't surprise me. I feel I need to develop these through experience rather then meditation/specific energy work. As I have been lacking both red/yellow physically related activities lately.

yellow and yellow/orange are pmuch the only actualy "physical" colors.

the root doesnt make you any more physical at all.. altho lacking activity in "all chakras but the root" means you are physical by default.

[Sagittarius]

Doesn't surprise me. I feel I need to develop these through experience rather then meditation/specific energy work. As I have been lacking both red/yellow physically related activities lately.

yellow and yellow/orange are pmuch the only actualy "physical" colors.

the root doesnt make you any more physical at all.. altho lacking activity in "all chakras but the root" means you are physical by default.

I see, any advice for developing these chakras? Also does the fact I see gold/green/purple mean I'am a 5th or 6th density wanderer ?

[Liet]

I see, any advice for developing these chakras? Also does the fact I see gold/green/purple mean I'am a 5th or 6th density wanderer ?

5th turning 6th.

to develop the root just make sure that your energies always extend outwards from the root (and dont disconect it from its origin)...
the lower parts of the root (aka legs) are directly connected with (yields to) the belly/solarplexus -> "active crown" and brow/forehead...
and the area just above the root with the heart/throat -> "passive crown"

the root is connected with the entire spectrum, hence

The delicacy, shall we say, of the choosing of the crystal is very critical and, in truth, a crystalline structure such as a diamond or ruby can be used by a purified channel who is filled with the love/light of One, in almost any application.

to develop the solar plexus you might wanna be preforming active meditation, aka not sitting around trying to feel everything around you (as much as otherwise).
force it (atleast to some extent)... be in control..... be the leader of your energies.
also; entering physical activity "being mobile" // working out, will strengthen it.

[Sagittarius]

I see, any advice for developing these chakras? Also does the fact I see gold/green/purple mean I'am a 5th or 6th density wanderer ?

5th turning 6th.

to develop the root just make sure that your energies always extend outwards from the root (and dont disconect it from its origin)...
the lower parts of the root (aka legs) are directly connected with (yields to) the belly/solarplexus -> "active crown" and brow/forehead...
and the area just above the root with the heart/throat -> "passive crown"

the root is connected with the entire spectrum, hence

The delicacy, shall we say, of the choosing of the crystal is very critical and, in truth, a crystalline structure such as a diamond or ruby can be used by a purified channel who is filled with the love/light of One, in almost any application.

to develop the solar plexus you might wanna be preforming active meditation, aka not sitting around trying to feel everything around you (as much as otherwise).
force it (atleast to some extent)... be in control..... be the leader of your energies.
also; entering physical activity "being mobile" // working out, will strengthen it.

Haha thanks mate that makes a lot of sense. I have been slacking off physically lately, done to much sitting around. Have a friend who came back from a different city the other day for the holidays, he is very active and spontaneous. Guess he will be my saviour.

[Diana]

to develop the solar plexus you might wanna be preforming active meditation, aka not sitting around trying to feel everything around you (as much as otherwise).
force it (atleast to some extent)... be in control..... be the leader of your energies.
also; entering physical activity "being mobile" // working out, will strengthen it.

Haha thanks mate that makes a lot of sense. I have been slacking off physically lately, done to much sitting around. Have a friend who came back from a different city the other day for the holidays, he is very active and spontaneous. Guess he will be my saviour.

In yoga, there is an exercise called "breath of fire" that uses the solar plexis for breathing. Yoga works on the entire body and core, the glandular systems, and the organs, etc, aside from the higher benefits of mindfulness and balancing.

I recommend hot yoga, or Bikram's yoga (also hot). This way you sweat and rid the body of toxins .

[Cyan]

so... ur red/orange/yellow/violet/indigo turning white?

I have no idea.

the thousand petal lotus.

back away abit from the screen... focus in the center, increase your color intake whilst observing the pic with your perhiperal vision when your mind is blank... what do you see?

now focus on each individual chakra, what do you see? which ones are of basic color and which make gold/silver/radiant-gold appear, which chakras cant be made seen? (or is difficult to)

afaik; when you are ready to be harvested towards the (mid?) 6th Density, you will see nothing but radiant-gold (which can split into the lime-gold-purple-silver combination).. this equals white (when you close your eyes) and seeing lime/pink around dark/bright borders.

FIrst i see a flash of bright orange followed by a crescendo of rainbowcolors then the whole picture starts to pulsate with colors as if on electrical fire and i have to turn it off. Not sure if thats a good thing or not

[Aaron]

I think I get it...

Meditating on that image is supposed to allow you to view your violet ray readout - i.e. your crown chakra. That's where the harvestability stuff comes in, because the crown is the readout of your entire energy field.

14.14 Questioner: Would there be any value to the people of this planet now to complete this machine?

Ra: I am Ra. The harvest is now. There is not at this time any reason to include efforts along these distortions toward longevity, but rather to encourage distortions toward seeking the heart of self, for this which resides clearly in the violet-ray energy field will determine the harvesting of each mind/body/spirit complex.

I think there are a couple ways to get caught up here. If you're too focused on trying to see colors in the image, you may not be able to witness whatever function will allow you to become aware of your violet ray. For example, just focusing on what the image represents may allow you to see the colors internally.

Another way would be to become too concerned about gauging one's own harvestability.

[Cyan]

The normal colors for me are green, purple, blue, red.

I see them starting from the center in "strands" and then pulsating back and forth. After that they just pulsate in round balls that expand "1 on one side and 1 on another" to give the impression of a off center pulsating wheel.

After i stare at that and let my child minds take over it turns into sweet pastel colors and pulsates towards and away back and forth so strongly i get light spasms followed by a deep "tunneling" and vanish from the situation and snapping back to reality.

Opinions appreciated and in fact asked for.

[Sagittarius]

Sometimes when I'am stoned and perform open-eye meditation I can see a spiralling vortex like structure exactly like the black lotus, quite amazing. I have a hard time looking at the image for a long time, I keep losing visibility and almost go cross eyed.

[Tyler Durden Maybe]

Original Post: "I believe I'm of the group of entities which switched from STS to STO in 6D and that I'm here to balance stuff that would take a long time to do in 6D. Who else here believes they're in this situation? Do you find yourselves lacking empathy for other people?"

Q. "Do you find yourselves lacking empathy for other people?"
A. No, to me, Empathy is automatic & intrinsic once you know every being is one. It would almost be like asking do you have Empathy for yourself? Of course. I've always known/believed all beings were one since I can remember, even before the LOO. Through what I've learned since the beginning of when I have memories. This learning was based on Religion (Mormonism), Philosophy & Science. It's a scientific principle based on Quantum Entanglement and the initial Singularity (i.e. the Big Bang) that all is one.

Boy, this answer may be a little different, but here goes...

Q. "Who else here believes they're in this situation?"
A. Maybe? I'm not sure about my previous situation actually.

Before I answer, this disclaimer: My Time/Space (6D Higher Self) probably wouldn't have this same opinion and would totally disagree, but since this is the Space/Time 3D me talking here it is. Plus, once I die and "Me" is the Time/Space "Me", I'm pretty sure he would nip this plan in the bud, even if I tried to do it, which is why I'm not doing it, but would like to if I could get away with it.

I'd like to imagine that I've switched Polarities a number of times. In fact, I'd like to think that I'm going for the All Time Creation Wide Record of Polarity Switching as the "Loophole" to never having to Graduate to 7D. The whole concept of 7th Density does not offer anything appealing to me in any way. RA says this of 7d: "At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all." That's not cool, I want a memory, I want an identity, I want a future. Therefore I'd like to think I have found and am using this "Loophole", that as long as I keep switching Polarities and Wandering Back and starting all over again, 7D Graduation is never attained.

So for example, get to 6D-, then from 6D- go to 6D Unity, then Wander back to 3D, then get into a Negative Density like 4D- and progress back up to 6d-, then go to 6D unity, and Wander back to 3D, and on and on, repeating infinitely. That's the Loophole.

But like I said, my Time/Space (Higher Self) would never go for that plan, so I scrapped it. My plan now is just have fun and follow my joy & excitement, whatever that may be. I don't worry about it, since I have a Higher Self (6D Unity going into 7D) I know I already made it, so No Worries!

[Ankh]

The whole concept of 7th Density does not offer anything appealing to me in any way. RA says this of 7d: "At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all." That's not cool, I want a memory, I want an identity, I want a future. Therefore I'd like to think I have found and am using this "Loophole", that as long as I keep switching Polarities and Wandering Back and starting all over again, 7D Graduation is never attained.

Perhaps there comes a time when all that there is to be experienced in this octave has been achieved, or experienced, and the entity realizes that there is nothing more to seek, or to experience, than the seeking, or experiencing the One Infinite Creator?

Lately, in my meditations, I've been able to experience some precious moments of this now. When everything just fades away, and there arises an awareness of closeness to the One Infinite Creator. Somehow I think that it is possbile to melt with it, to be filled with it being in third density. But in 7D you become one with all, and have an awareness of the One Infinite Creator...

Besides, these beings are able to create Higher Self. I say that it's awesome enough for little me!

[Liet]

But in 7D you become one with all, and have an awareness of the One Infinite Creator...

first you get all energy centers at maximum strength in equal balance..... now what? slowly become the rest of "all that is" and when its achieved, after an eternal instant; you start all over(for that is your only remaining will).

life in which you have already done all things an excess number of times is a bore, when repetition is something you shun away from (if you have a working root chakra, you crave renewal).

[Sagittarius]

But in 7D you become one with all, and have an awareness of the One Infinite Creator...

first you get all energy centers at maximum strength in equal balance..... now what? slowly become the rest of "all that is" and when its achieved, after an eternal instant; you start all over(for that is your only remaining will).

life in which you have already done all things an excess number of times is a bore, when repetition is something you shun away from (if you have a working root chakra, you crave renewal).

I thought Ra said there was even higher to go after this octave and that Ra didn't even know what it would entail.

[Tyler Durden Maybe]

Ankh,

What you quoted was this 3D Guy's thoughts and interesting idea for a plan based on what seems the most fun to me, meaning 7D = No Fun, Infinite 3D to 6D to 3D add infinitum = Way Fun. BUT There's no way my Higher Self would go along with that! (like I said before, that's why this plan was scrapped)

But it is entertaining to imagine that if I could pull it off somehow, then... Some Future Version of the LOO in some distant 3D World eons from now, the LOO Material would state:

Q. In this Octave, are there any beings who will never graduate into 7th Density because through their Free Will they have used the Infinite Polarity Switching Loophole to remain in this Octave Indefinitely for Infinity? Because they are going from 3D to 6D to 3D add infinitum?
A. Yes, there is one.

Q. What is their name?
A. His name is Tyler Durden.

[drifting pages]

Well keep following your excitement and see where it leads you, also you are always dissolved into ONE yet maintains your 3d identity, the mystery is how you do it, life is virtual (a dream) an illusion, yet you are a relation towards ALL THAT IS.
What causes you to be this you right now and not some other you, well that is the miracle.

GO the flow i say and well nothing else really matters.

There is no cause to anything when the source is ONE (being or otherwise no thought(movement, relation)

This is the paradox of the zero point, this is the mystery of existence this is what allows infinite relations and dreams within dreams that are and are not.

You disolves into infinity and is still here right now positive and negative and neither transcending all concepts and theory.


The experience of being you

[Liet]

But in 7D you become one with all, and have an awareness of the One Infinite Creator...

first you get all energy centers at maximum strength in equal balance..... now what? slowly become the rest of "all that is" and when its achieved, after an eternal instant; you start all over(for that is your only remaining will).
life in which you have already done all things an excess number of times is a bore, when repetition is something you shun away from (if you have a working root chakra, you crave renewal).

I thought Ra said there was even higher to go after this octave and that Ra didn't even know what it would entail.

oh they do know what it entails..... they just dont wanna get it right out in plain speach.

7th is the "eternal instant"... the restart happend when the 8th comes about..

cant say for sure that its the case (that things "restart" rather than continuing up in densities forever), but by everything they've said.. like "after this point theres no more looking back"... to me, its rock-solid

"theres no more looking back" means "you are no longer reflective" which means "you are no longer within the end of the spectrum"

the end of the spectrum is the most reflective
the beginning of the spectrum is the least reflective

[Sagittarius]

But in 7D you become one with all, and have an awareness of the One Infinite Creator...

first you get all energy centers at maximum strength in equal balance..... now what? slowly become the rest of "all that is" and when its achieved, after an eternal instant; you start all over(for that is your only remaining will).
life in which you have already done all things an excess number of times is a bore, when repetition is something you shun away from (if you have a working root chakra, you crave renewal).

I thought Ra said there was even higher to go after this octave and that Ra didn't even know what it would entail.

oh they do know what it entails..... they just dont wanna get it right out in plain speach.

7th is the "eternal instant"... the restart happend when the 8th comes about..

cant say for sure that its the case (that things "restart" rather than continuing up in densities forever), but by everything they've said.. like "after this point theres no more looking back"... to me, its rock-solid

"theres no more looking back" means "you are no longer reflective" which means "you are no longer within the end of the spectrum"

the end of the spectrum is the most reflective
the beginning of the spectrum is the least reflective

Ah I see. Guess we will just have to wait and find out. Kind of silly trying to comprehend it now with these limitations, nothing we say about it can do it justice.

[Ankh]

But in 7D you become one with all, and have an awareness of the One Infinite Creator...

first you get all energy centers at maximum strength in equal balance..... now what? slowly become the rest of "all that is" and when its achieved, after an eternal instant; you start all over(for that is your only remaining will).

life in which you have already done all things an excess number of times is a bore, when repetition is something you shun away from (if you have a working root chakra, you crave renewal).

I thought Ra said there was even higher to go after this octave and that Ra didn't even know what it would entail.

Questioner: In the previous session you mentioned the lightbringers from the octave. Am I to understand that those who provide the light for the graduation are of an octave above the one we experience? Could you tell me more about these lightbringers, who they are, etc.?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working.

This octave density of which we have spoken is both omega and alpha, the spiritual mass of the infinite universes becoming one central sun or Creator once again. Then is born a new universe, a new infinity, a new Logos which incorporates all that the Creator has experienced of Itself. In this new octave there are also those who wander. We know very little across the boundary of octave except that these beings come to aid our octave in its Logos completion. Is there any brief query which you have at this time?

[Liet]

Questioner: I’m sorry for having so much trouble with these concepts, but they are very difficult I am sure to translate into our understanding and language. Some of my questions may be rather ridiculous, but does this Higher Self have some type of vehicle like our physical vehicle? Does it have a bodily complex?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The Higher Self is of a certain advancement within sixth-density going into the seventh. After the seventh has been well entered the mind/body/spirit complex becomes so totally a mind/body/spirit complex totality that it begins to gather spiritual mass and approach the octave density. Thus the looking backwards is finished at that point.

[Ankh]

In my understanding, it is only now that is present/exists. Ah, what a pleasure to stop looking around all over the creation in fractions, but see it all and be it all now...

[neutral333]

I know I feel empathy for others easily. Now, to feel joy again, that would be something.

Every breath you take is a cause for joy. If not, you are holding onto regret. Let it go. Learn from it and let it go.

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But in 7D you become one with all, and have an awareness of the One Infinite Creator...

first you get all energy centers at maximum strength in equal balance..... now what? slowly become the rest of "all that is" and when its achieved, after an eternal instant; you start all over(for that is your only remaining will).

life in which you have already done all things an excess number of times is a bore, when repetition is something you shun away from (if you have a working root chakra, you crave renewal).

I thought Ra said there was even higher to go after this octave and that Ra didn't even know what it would entail.

Yeah but just a new set of levels. We are all constantly leaving and returning to the Creator.

[GrandKitaro777]

Hmmm I'm a very empathetic person, it becomes natural for me to be such since I understand the concept of oneness.

[Tenet Nosce]

I have not read this thread in detail. However, I just came across a quote from the Aaron/Q'uo Dialogues that I felt might be useful to those reading this thread:

The Aaron/Q’uo Dialogues, Session 19
25 Sep 93

There is no such thing as absolute evil. There are those beings who are negatively polarized in service to self and act in love for that self. The selfishness of that motivation, let us say the self-centeredness of that motivation, may cause immense suffering for others, yet one must still acknowledge that this being is motivated by some form of love, however distorted that love may be. Such a being may indeed even graduate from the earth plane, carrying that negative distortion; but it cannot return to the One ultimately, cannot move through the higher densities beyond sixth density with that negative distortion. It becomes a dead end. So, it may carry its negative distortion to a very high level, but eventually it must change its polarity to proceed.

We have transcripts available that detail this process of reversal of polarity. Should that interest any of you, they can be found and Barbara can provide, so I will not speak of it in depth.[1]

The difference in path, then, seems to be that the path of service to others speaks of awareness of the suffering of all beings and the deeply heartfelt desire to alleviate suffering. The path of service to self ignores that suffering because it accentuates the separate self. It cannot ultimately carry one back to full unity with the Creator because there is still the delusion of separation. It is therefore a truly more difficult path. Can one begin to have compassion for beings who are set on that path rather than fear and hatred of them? Their negative distortion causes as much pain to them as to others.

Having made the decision to live one’s life in service to others, one is constantly confronted by that fear in oneself which leads to grasping and aversion to self-service. Service to others and service to self are not mutually exclusive. This is a misunderstanding. Let us return to that imaginary being with the apple, whom we introduced last night. The apple is offered, seeing the child’s hunger. But what if it were the only food that the apple holder had, and that apple holder had also not eaten for several days? Is that thought, “I also am hungry,” an evil thought? We chop the apple in half and trust that further sustenance will be offered to each.

The self is also an other. You are part of this great scheme of things. To simply become a martyr and offer yourself with no respect for the needs of the self is to make needless sacrifice. Indeed, one must begin to respect the needs of the self while distinguishing which needs grow out of love and healthy respect, and which grow out of fear. That being who has had a full breakfast and the promise of a full lunch has no need to take half the apple. Can you hear the voice of fear that says, “What if I need it?” and simply note, “This is old mind speaking”? “In this present moment, I am not hungry and this child is hungry. In this present moment, I have no need of this food. I can give it freely.” But mind goes back to those past experiences of hunger or deprivation of any sort, and that old-mind consciousness wants to hoard because of the very basic human fear, “Will my needs be met?”

The person who lives its life in awareness will notice the arising of such thoughts and be able to identify what is the bare perception of this moment and what is old-mind habit. That same being, noticing that the desire to hold on to the apple is old-mind habit, that there is no present hunger or need—that same being will not scorn itself because that habitual reaction has arisen. It will see that reaction not as its own greed to be hated but as human fear which must be touched with compassion. So, it notices the old-mind habit arising in itself. It notices its movement toward contempt for that habit and it asks itself also to have compassion for the human with those fears, thus allowing space for it all to float. It then finds freedom to come back to the bare perception, to recognize in this moment, “There’s no hunger. I can give this.”

By bringing this level of awareness to each arising thought, emotion, and sensation, one begins to move away from the boundaries of old-mind habit, to live one’s life in the present, in the now. It is only in this moment that one can live with love and wisdom.

What I want you to see here is that the choice of service to self/service to others is not clear-cut: “I’m generous!” or, “I’m selfish!” Rather, it is built on staying in this moment with a deep respect for all beings, knowing oneself to be part of this linked chain of beings, heart open to the needs of all, seeing fear as it arises and making the conscious effort not to live by the dictates of fear.

How to walk a spiritual path? This, to me, is the essence of it: to notice each dialogue with fear and have the courage to remove oneself from that dialogue, not hating one’s fear, but also not owning one’s fear nor being controlled by it. It takes much courage. As you work with this, you come to an intersection. You find that there is a, what I call, “horizontal practice of relative reality,” living one’s life skillfully and lovingly, moment by moment, but that there is an illusory self who is doing that skillful, loving living.

There is also a “vertical practice” which cuts through the illusion of self. Q’uo just spoke to you of this. When it is next my turn to speak I will elaborate on it, but first I would like to pass the microphone back to Q’uo, who would like to speak to us to elaborate on some of what I have just spoken of. That is all.

[1] Deep Spring Center for Meditation and Spiritual Inquiry, 3003 Washtenaw Avenue, Suite 2, Ann Arbor, MI 48104; www.deepspring.org/archives.

Here is another quote I found in the Deep Spring Archives:

18 Dec 91

I am talking here about beings ... Let's go back to this question of density again. In fourth and fifth density, there are still the vestiges of an emotional body. In sixth density ... I use the term "density" here as a description of the density of the energy, how much shadow and how much clarity there is in it. Sixth density is the level of the higher self: there's no more emotional body at all. And yet, there is still a self; there is still personal awareness and memory. Seventh density is the beginning of moving beyond the self. The mental body also begins to fall away. There must be a tool of "self" in order to teach others. Pure awareness cannot manipulate that awareness so as to teach. The being who is capable of moving into seventh and then into eighth density, manifesting its energy as the pure spirit body returned to the awareness of full union with God-the being ready for seventh density who elects to stay in sixth density so that it can function as a teacher for others is doing what Jesus or the Buddha did.

Buddhism has a term for such beings. There is a word, "Bodhisattva." This is one who recognizes the suffering in the universe and is willing to come back to incarnation over and over again, rather than finding its own freedom ... coming back to serve others. That's one level-to be willing to return to third density. Another form of Bodhisattva is one willing to remain in sixth density.

That spirit that became Jesus was a sixth density being at the time that it agreed to come back. It was a sixth density being fully ready to move into eighth density, and held itself in sixth density only because of its desire and willingness to serve others. It knew that it would progress beyond sixth density when its work was done, but that it needed that mental body in order to continue its service. Following that final incarnation, the Buddha moved to that same level, and that being could also have progressed, but chose not to do so, but remained for some time to teach.

There are many beings who are capable of moving into seventh and eighth densities, and who yet remain at sixth density. Some of those beings moved to sixth density through third and fourth and fifth density, not quickly as the Buddha did. So, perhaps, there was nothing that remarkable about them on Earth except that they became ready to graduate, as many beings do, into fourth density ... that there was no more karmic need to incarnate. They became more remarkable when they reached this level of sixth density and were ready to progress into seventh density and said, "No, I am willing to remain with this to serve." In your terminology, such beings are thought of as angels. That is the closest definition for the word "angel" that I can offer: a being of sixth density that does not progress of its own free will, but stays in sixth density to be of service to others.

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I'd like to imagine that I've switched Polarities a number of times. In fact, I'd like to think that I'm going for the All Time Creation Wide Record of Polarity Switching as the "Loophole" to never having to Graduate to 7D. The whole concept of 7th Density does not offer anything appealing to me in any way. RA says this of 7d: "At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all." That's not cool, I want a memory, I want an identity, I want a future. Therefore I'd like to think I have found and am using this "Loophole", that as long as I keep switching Polarities and Wandering Back and starting all over again, 7D Graduation is never attained.

I don't know if you hold the record or not... but if I may take a slight jab at your illusory ego... I doubt you are quite as clever as you may think having found the "Loophole". I would perceive it as just a cosmic form of alchemy... distillation, condensation, distillation, condensation... yet one cannot fully enjoy the fruits of their labor until the alchemical apparatus is discarded and the Philosopher's Stone retrieved, yes? Plus, I can see how this might become boring after a few aeons.

According to my fallible understanding, part of the reason 6D entities may choose to incarnate in a 3D environment is to build upon the qualities of "love and faith" which can be used to springboard oneself into the next octave. It would appear that "wisdom and compassion" can result in a certain kind of inertia in sixth density which can only be balanced by the strong qualities of "love and faith" which are teach/learned in third density.

As far as memory and identity go, a ponderance: What is the source of these?

[Ankh]

Tenet Nosce, Ra stated that Jesus entity was of fourth density perfecting that density's lessons of love, and after that incarnation graduating into fifth density of wisdom/light. Q'uo stated that angelic beings, with some few exceptions, are beings that have never been incarnated and never will. These beings never left the vibration of the Creator/infinity.

I am not trying to say here that someone is right and someone is wrong. That's not the purpose of my post. However, these different information/s are confusing to an incarnated mind/body complex of third density space/time, behind the veil in a density that is not of this kind of understanding. I encounter this a lot, when reading different sources that are saying different things, and which sometimes even contradict each other.

[Tenet Nosce]

Tenet Nosce, Ra stated that Jesus entity was of fourth density perfecting that density's lessons of love, and after that incarnation graduating into fifth density of wisdom/light.

Yes, Ra did. I would only point out here that the source of this particular information is Session 17, which also appears to be the source of many confusing concepts and incessantly arguable points from the Ra material.

Q'uo stated that angelic beings, with some few exceptions, are beings that have never been incarnated and never will. These beings never left the vibration of the Creator/infinity.

I'm not a big fan of the term "angel" as there are so many conflicting definitions out there. However, I can say I am about halfway through the Aaron/Q'uo Dialogues and these two sources appear to be getting along well enough on their own as far as harmonizing seemingly conflicting information goes. Perhaps they will tackle this angel subject more thoroughly later on.

That's not the purpose of my post.

What is the purpose of your post?

However, these different information/s are confusing to an incarnated mind/body complex of third density space/time, behind the veil in a density that is not of this kind of understanding.

Isn't the purpose of the veil to create confusion?

I encounter this a lot, when reading different sources that are saying different things, and which sometimes even contradict each other.

I actively seek out this sort of contrast and find ponderance upon these to be quite illuminating. I do observe there are those parts of me that would sometimes prefer to have things all neatly packaged up with cute little bows tied around them, and to dispense with the mystery of this density. This is the part that would prefer to condense the whole of spiritual seeking down to a few simple quips or phrases of wisdom, or who would for example, elevate one particular source of information over the rest.

Yet I also see these desires arise from a fearful/doubtful part of me that results from being in such a heavily veiled environment. I am coming to see this as simply another opportunity for me to practice love and faith toward myself.

[Ankh]

Yes, Ra did. I would only point out here that the source of this particular information is Session 17, which also appears to be the source of many confusing concepts and incessantly arguable points from the Ra material.

Do you think that the information about Jesus in session 17, in the Ra material is not correct?

What is the purpose of your post?

This is the purpose:

However, these different information/s are confusing to an incarnated mind/body complex of third density space/time, behind the veil in a density that is not of this kind of understanding.

I actively seek out this sort of contrast and find ponderance upon these to be quite illuminating. I do observe there are those parts of me that would sometimes prefer to have things all neatly packaged up with cute little bows tied around them, and to dispense with the mystery of this density. This is the part that would prefer to condense the whole of spiritual seeking down to a few simple quips or phrases of wisdom, or who would for example, elevate one particular source of information over the rest.

Yet I also see these desires arise from a fearful/doubtful part of me that results from being in such a heavily veiled environment. I am coming to see this as simply another opportunity for me to practice love and faith toward myself.

Fair enough. There are pro's and con's with everything, and each is the Creator using it's own Free Will.

[Tenet Nosce]

i feel empathy for animals. rarely for humans. i want humans to be happy but i feel more strong for animals usually. what does that mean?

Who could really say but you? The first idea that popped into my limited mind was: perhaps you are a recent graduate.

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Do you think that the information about Jesus in session 17, in the Ra material is not correct?

Based on my limited personal experience with information in Session 17- I am currently of the mindset that it is wise to, figuratively speaking, keep a large pile of salt next to oneself when considering the information contained in Session 17. A simpler way to put this: I don't know.

In my current analysis, anything from Session 17 that cannot be clearly corroborated from other sessions is highly suspect as to its degree of truthfulness. That is the most I will say at this nexus.

This is the purpose:

However, these different information/s are confusing to an incarnated mind/body complex of third density space/time, behind the veil in a density that is not of this kind of understanding.

That is a statement, with which I would mostly agree. However- please forgive my apparent dullness of perception- I am still failing to see the purpose. Would it possibly be to "protect" your other-selves from confusion? I would prefer not to project my own thoughts into your mind. Would you perhaps spell it out for me?

[Ankh]

This is the purpose:

However, these different information/s are confusing to an incarnated mind/body complex of third density space/time, behind the veil in a density that is not of this kind of understanding.

That is a statement, which which I would mostly agree. However- please forgive my apparent dullness of perception- I am still failing to see the purpose. Would it possibly be to "protect" your other-selves from confusion? I would prefer not to project my own thoughts into your mind. Would you perhaps spell it out for me?

No, no protection of any kind. Just expressing my thoughts that contradicting information is confusing to our mind in this current space/time, which is as you point out before, is the purpose of the veil. This purpose is to "know thyself".

Further thoughts, that had nothing to do with my original post, is that the mind, bathing in too much confusion, may have difficulties to find focus.

[Tenet Nosce]

No, no protection of any kind. Just expressing my thoughts that contradicting information is confusing to our mind in this current space/time, which is as you point out before, is the purpose of the veil. This purpose is to "know thyself".

Ah, yes. Thank you for this clarification.

Further thoughts, that had nothing to do with my original post, is that the mind, bathing in too much confusion, may have difficulties to find focus.

It could focus on the confusion! But then again, that may result in more confusion...

[Ankh]

It could focus on the confusion! But then again, that may result in more confusion...

LOL!! See?

(Just kidding!) ; )