Out In The Open

[Oceania]

creepy!!! check out this and see if you can spot some creepy stuff. now that Pickle pointed it out it's pretty obvious!

[Monica]

creepy!!! check out this and see if you can spot some creepy stuff. now that Pickle pointed it out it's pretty obvious!

Can you spell it out? I don't see it. Other than the tape over the mouth, which is to make a certain point, I don't see anything creepy...?

[Oceania]

hand gestures.

[Monica]

hand gestures.

Oh....I just watched it again and those all look like normal hand gestures to me. They have to do something with their hands!

[Oceania]

look at marlee matlin.

[BrownEye]

In the beginning someone covers the right eye of another, which is just a symbol of "wake up" to us IMO.

Then they use "fight for love" which just comes across as what they are against in the first place. I thought it takes hate to fight? Or is it only anger?

[Oceania]

can't you guys see what marlee matlin is doing? she's creepy!

[BrownEye]

Orion Nebula

So, the thing on left looks like the "hang loose" hand sign. In some frames it looks like the man in the moon.



Orion and the Hopi.

[Oceania]

why does Ryan Dawson say the star of david is a satanic symbol?

[Monica]

can't you guys see what marlee matlin is doing? she's creepy!

What? Marlee is deaf! That's just sign language!

[Oceania]

well why is she signing with the goat symbol like 3 times!

[Monica]

well why is she signing with the goat symbol like 3 times!

I have no idea. I don't know sign language! But I do know she's deaf, so that symbol must mean something in sign language. (You know she starred in What the Bleep, right?)

[Oceania]

yeah but she looks scary in that video. and i don't think ASL has that goat sign.

[_X7]

I've heard the "devil's horn sign" traces back through latin based languages. Google/Image this one word: cornuto + your pick of the politicians or groupies

I find the related subjects interesting, though, indeed a lot of speculation goes into making connections.... From my most recent reading of a paper book... The following quote comes from a human-identity which is not entirely clear, though published by Bridger House Publisher, Inc 1998:
The Spiritual Laws and Lessons Of The Universe
One of it's "Laws of Balance" reads:

17. Evil (Adversaries of God) Must Always Wear A Sign of Their Evilness
(By Their Fruits Ye Shall Know Them)


As to the controllers of Congress, one can search-surmise much here:

"American Legislative Exchange Council"

One of my hopes is to learn more of the whole planetary-game-system. As to how it's 'laws' work. Why the polarities seem so horribly foul, in terms of pillaging, scorched earth policies, double speak of governance, media-hypnotics, virtual-slaveries, etc....

Is it possible that devilish mayhem is "to be expected", so long as evil doers wear the visible sign of their own evilness? Is this sort of a plausible deniability? In the final analysis, the evil doer simply says "well, we told you so and you voted our evil-doers into office". "You broke it, you bought it".

[Tenet Nosce]

What an interesting topic! I very much appreciate this opportunity to share my limited and fallible understanding:

The goat head motif refers to Baphomet, or "Goat of Mendes", which is also considered to be a throwback to the Egyptian "god" Ba'al.

Mendes is an ancient Egyptian city. The known history of Mendes goes back as far as 4000 - 5000 years ago, somewhere in the time between Imhotep, the world's first known healer/physician/surgeon and High Priest of Ra at Heliopolis, and Sargon "The True King" in Babylon, and possibly his visitation by the Annunaki, or Nephilim, or "Sky Gods", if you will.

According to the Ra Material, and other corroborating sources, this period also corresponds to the very end of the last pyramid building phase, during the Taurean Age, when Ra and other sixth-density beings walked openly among the people of the earth. These pyramid-builders appear to have had three main focal points of activity: North Africa, East Asia, and Central/South America. Some people also believe that there was a fourth focal point of activity in Antarctica. Archaeologists did find evidence for this nearly fourteen years ago, though I am currently unaware if any further progress has been made along this line of inquiry.

Getting back to Mendes: it is a unique and enigmatic city. According to renowned archaeologist Donald Redford, Mendes was home to a mysterious cult of the "fornicating ram who mounts the beauties." As such, Mendes was also known as the "City of the Ram-Man". Ancient Greek reports, including Herodotus, corroborate the idea of ram-gods occasionally ritually fornicated with women.

The Ra-m, in turn, is a motif which originated during the turn of the Ages from Taurus (The Bull) to Aries (The Ram) , which roughly corresponds with the retirement of sixth density entities from 3D earth. Besides Egyptian and Greek historical accounts, events from this time period may also have been conceptualized by the stories of Ra-ma in the Hindu Mahabharata, as well as depictions of Mit-ra in the Sanskrit Rigveda and the Indo-Iranian Avesta.

About 1000 years after this time, during the rise of Judaism, Ba'al was depicted as an opponent of Yahweh. According to 1 Kings 18, the prophet Elijah mocked the followers of Ba'al, for worshiping a god seemingly impotent to "produce miracles", and later slew them in the name of the "One True God" Yahweh.

And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, "O Baal, hear us!" But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.

And it came to pass at noon that Elijah mocked them and said, "Cry aloud, for he is a god! Either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is on a journey, or perhaps he sleepeth and must be awakened."

Then the fire of the LORD fell and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood and the stones and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and they said, "The LORD, He is the God! The LORD, He is the God!"

And Elijah said unto them, "Take the prophets of Baal. Let not one of them escape!" And they took them; and Elijah brought them down to the Brook Kishon and slew them there.

Here are some relevant quotes from the Ra Material.

Questioner: Did the Orion group use similar methods for their impression 3,600 years ago?

Ra: I am Ra. The group or empire had an emissary in your skies at that time.

Questioner: Can you describe that emissary?

Ra: I am Ra. This emissary was of your fiery nature which was hidden by the nature of cloud in the day. This was to obliterate the questions of those seeing such a vehicle and to make it consonant with these entities’ concept of what you may call the Creator.

Questioner: And then how was the information passed on to the entities after they saw this fiery cloud?

Ra: I am Ra. By thought transfer and by the causing of fiery phenomena and other events to appear as being miraculous through the use of thought-forms.

This also seems to be the time period in which there was a swap of the Ram for the Goat in certain traditions and practices. Curiously, the choice of the hybrid species of goat may have had something to do with genetic engineering, and does correspond to the time frame given by Ra for the Orion contact/creation of those of "Anak".

Questioner: When did Yahweh act to perform the genetic changes?

Ra: I am Ra. The Yahweh group worked with those of the planet you call Mars 75000 years ago in what you would call the cloning process. There are differences, but they lie in the future of your time/space continuum and we cannot break the free will Law of Confusion.

The 2600, approximately, time was the second time—we correct ourselves: 3600—approximately, the time of attempts by those of the Orion group during this cultural complex; this was a series of encounters in which the ones called Anak were impregnated with the new genetic coding by your physical complex means so that the organisms would be larger and stronger.

Questioner: Then Yahweh, in an attempt to correct what I might call a mistake (I know you don’t want to call it that), started 3,300 years ago a positive philosophy. Were the Orion and Yahweh philosophies impressed telepathically, or were there other techniques used?

Ra: I am Ra. There were two other techniques used: one by the entity no longer called Yahweh, who still felt that if it could raise up entities which were superior to the negative forces, that these superior entities could spread the Law of One. Thus this entity, “Yod-Heh-Shin-Vau-Heh,” came among your people in form according to incarnate being and mated in the normal reproductive manner of your physical complexes, thus birthing a generation of much larger beings, these beings called “Anak.”

The other method used to greater effect later in the scenario, as you would call it, was the thought-form such as we often use among your peoples to suggest the mysterious or the sublime. You may be familiar with some of these appearances.

Questioner: Could you state some of those?

Ra: I am Ra. This is information which you may discover. However, we will briefly point the way by indicating the so-called wheel within a wheel and the cherubim with sleepless eye.

[Monica]

yeah but she looks scary in that video. and i don't think ASL has that goat sign.

I guess it's all in the perception. She doesn't look scary at all to me!

Maybe because I've seen her in What the Bleep and can't fathom her being an evil entity...maybe because I don't know sign language so it all just looks like sign language to me. Do you know sign language, Oceania?

Maybe I'm not that freaked out about the 'devil horns' because I've been to so many heavy metal concerts! It's normal for a lot of metalheads to do the horns, and it means nothing to them. They're just having a good time rocking out.

I think words and symbols do carry a charge but a lot of it also depends on how much value we put on them. A great example is the F word. The old generation thought it was the most vile word ever, and nowadays young people say effin this and effin that and it's no big deal. It has just replaced the word very!

The pentagram itself is a sacred symbol but fundamentalist Christians think it's 'satanic'. They don't care whether it's right side up or inverted.

My understanding is that neither is actually evil, but that the pentagram pointing up signifies matter reaching up to spirit, whereas the pentagram pointing down signifies spirit descending into matter.

Being that we've already been stuck in Maya for eons and are attempting to ascend, then the pentagram pointing up is the one we want, whereas the pentagram pointing down would serve only to keep us stuck. That's it. Nothing more sinister than that.

The same thing happened with the swastika. It had meaning similar to the pentagram, but the difference was in which direction it was spinning. Hitler co-opted an ancient symbol and turned it into a symbol for ultimate evil.

I wonder who decided that one's fingers in a certain configuration is evil? Maybe the power elite did use that symbol for something, in which case it's meaningful to them. But I don't think that necessarily makes it meaningful to us.

[Tenet Nosce]

The same thing happened with the swastika. It had meaning similar to the pentagram, but the difference was in which direction it was spinning. Hitler co-opted an ancient symbol and turned it into a symbol for ultimate evil.

The swastika is a revered symbol of the Jains. In my fallible opinion, I believe that the symbol represents a direct lineage of the concept of karman, or "vile icky stuff" that humans collect when they commit "unclean" acts, such as eating a forbidden food, for example. According to this belief system, karman can also be transmitted through heredity, or even simple physical contact, and was used to reinforce the notion of strict caste segregation throughout India, as well as extreme ascetic practices, intended to purge oneself from this defiling karman.

This concept was one of many that were carried by "missionaries" of sorts coming out of India all throughout the late 19th and early 20th centuries, partially in response to growing concern in India, and what is now Pakistan, as to encroachment by the British Crown.

It would appear that this concept of "defilement by action" became fixated by Hitler's mind on the Jews, and as it stood to reason to this psychopath, the only way to purge humanity of this "evil defiling influence" was to slay those people that he believed to be the carriers of this "uncleanliness". This idea appears to have been further reinforced by his distorted interpretation of the life force energy known as vril, as described in Lord Bulwer-Lytton's The Coming Race.

Funny how this idea keeps popping up again and again, and never (it would seem) with positive consequences.

[Oceania]

Monica i've seen her in countless things, including What the bleep, that doesn't mean she can't be a part of the hollywood elite. that's what this thread is about. the use of those symbols in media. and i know what the pentagram means. that doesn't mean it can't be used as a symbol by the people who want to signal their evilness.

[Tenet Nosce]

My understanding is that neither is actually evil, but that the pentagram pointing up signifies matter reaching up to spirit, whereas the pentagram pointing down signifies spirit descending into matter.

In my further fallible opinion, as the pentagram is the symbol of "binding", the downward-pointing pentagram represents the illusory chaining of the spirit to the flesh, accomplished by the equally illusory notion of the unclean, defiling influence of karman.

The balance of spirit and matter is symbolically represented by the six-pointed star.

[BrownEye]

I see two triangles in either form. The point where the two triangles meet seems to be the manifestation point of matter.

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Ra: I am Ra. By thought transfer and by the causing of fiery phenomena and other events to appear as being miraculous through the use of thought-forms.

An archangel can manifest its communications through a thought form created as any form it wishes, since it does not manifest itself.

[Oceania]

there's a guy who says the isreal flag is a satanic symbol.

[zenmaster]

there's a guy who says the isreal flag is a satanic symbol.

Oceania, you being a troll?

[Oceania]

why do you call me a troll? i was just curious why he thinks that. to my understanding it's the merkabah.

[Monica]

Monica i've seen her in countless things, including What the bleep, that doesn't mean she can't be a part of the hollywood elite. that's what this thread is about. the use of those symbols in media. and i know what the pentagram means. that doesn't mean it can't be used as a symbol by the people who want to signal their evilness.

Well I guess I just don't buy into the whole idea of 'evil' people broadcasting their evil by hand signals. Nor do I buy into the idea of any particular class of people, whether it's religion, culture, bloodline, or whatever, being so neatly categorized. If only it were so simple! If only we could just watch for hand signals to know if they're STS or STO.

I just don't think it's that simple. I think most people are of mixed polarity...even those in positions of power. I think the truly evil ones are trying to divide us, by telling us that those who go to a certain church, or move their hands in a certain way, or whatever, are evil...then they sit back laughing their asses off as we scramble trying to identify who is evil and who is not.

[Oceania]

i don't mean to say she's evil. i just thought it was odd.

[Monica]

i don't mean to say she's evil. i just thought it was odd.

OK

I was really wondering what bothered you so much, so I watched the whole thing again, paying close attention, and pausing and replaying the parts with Marlee.

I didn't see a single 'devils' horn' though the one pic where she has her hands clasped, the fingers are in the right position. BUT she also has her thumbs out too, so it's not the same. And that was the only one I spotted that was even close.

(for what it's worth)

[Oceania]

i dunno she just looked scary. and she was on L word which went really scary toward the end.

[Tenet Nosce]

An archangel can manifest its communications through a thought form created as any form it wishes, since it does not manifest itself.

Yes, although I think the key element in this case is manipulating events to "appear as being miraculous" so as to further impress elitism and specialness among those receiving the communication. As far as I am aware, archangels are more than happy to communicate with anybody who asks.

[BrownEye]

An archangel can manifest its communications through a thought form created as any form it wishes, since it does not manifest itself.

Yes, although I think the key element in this case is manipulating events to "appear as being miraculous" so as to further impress elitism and specialness among those receiving the communication. As far as I am aware, archangels are more than happy to communicate with anybody who asks.

I was thinking more along the lines of archangel type beings from elsewhere.

[Tenet Nosce]

An archangel can manifest its communications through a thought form created as any form it wishes, since it does not manifest itself.

Yes, although I think the key element in this case is manipulating events to "appear as being miraculous" so as to further impress elitism and specialness among those receiving the communication. As far as I am aware, archangels are more than happy to communicate with anybody who asks.

I was thinking more along the lines of archangel type beings from elsewhere.

From where?