The Secret Life of Plants

[Whitefeather]

The topic of THIS thread is about spreading awareness about the life of plants.
The reference about the other thread was to explain some circumstances to Ruth, though I carefully edited out all brutal words. Words can be weapons, they can hurt and, I didn't want that to happen in this thread.

I apologize for the misunderstanding. I did think you were referring to the meat thread.

I do feel you are judging us all a little harshly, regarding the words you think are brutal in the meat thread. You certainly are free not to participate in it .

Apologies accepted regarding confusion of thread.

Indeed, the 'eating meat' thread is brutal at least for me and my level of harmony. I am free indeed not to participate into it. Believe me, I would get no more insight from this thread than from my higher self and consciousness which is the source of my peace, love and understanding.

I do NOT judge, ever! On account of projection, it means that you are judging me harshly, don't you.
It is not only you, but really, it is happening too often in this forum for my peace of heart. Though, I've gathered what is happening in this thread.

Diana, you addressed your post to me and, my line of questions and comments was meant to guide you kindly somehow to look into yourself, to the foundation of your thoughts and feelings because EVERYTHING is a projection of the self.

There is no other reason for me to be in this forum than giving the hand and guiding brothers and sisters to gather awareness at that particular nexus when it is IMPORTANT that as many as possible gain more awareness. Awareness of what? Awareness of and related to the nature of the self including what some would call 'ego' or 'intellectual mind', the argumentative part of an entity, the ever chatting mind of the yellow ray which pushes the spirit away. This is a most important step in awareness. Awareness is a work done first about the self. It then expands to other-selves, and only in third position it reaches the other densities below as well as the ones above including the universe, though there is some overlapping at work too.

Now, do you see why I created this thread about the life of plants? To create awareness, not a controversy. Do you know why so few are interested?

[Ruth]

I am interested in the secret lives of plants!

Whitefeather - the Mom plant I mentioned earlier is a so called "spider plant" or airplane plant. She didn't want me to take her picture because she isn't looking her best right now - it is already very cold here and my grow light was out for a couple of weeks. Still she has managed to put off a couple of new "babies" which she has encouraged me to take from her and plant in their own pots so they can begin to mature on their own.

People often think I'm kidding that this plant speaks to me, but I'm not. I love her as much as I love my cat!

It does surprise me somewhat that there are not more of us here who feel so connected to plants and recognize their ability to feel and communicate. I feel that the veggies I grow in my garden "feel" delighted to know that I will harvest them and eat them, thereby allowing them to become part of my reality, to interact with the other "beings" that live inside my body, etc. etc. I feel that my veggies are sometimes far more intricately aware of the dance of life than I am. I learn from them and give them thanks!


Love and light!

[Monica]

Indeed, the 'eating meat' thread is brutal at least for me and my level of harmony.

Controversial topics can seem very intense, no matter how nice and respectful the participants are.

I am free indeed not to participate into it.

Yes, you certainly are!

Believe me, I would get no more insight from this thread than from my higher self and consciousness which is the source of my peace, love and understanding.

This seems rather strange to me. What, then, is the purpose any online discussion, if not to learn from one another and expand our thinking? Does not the Higher Self present us with various experiences, for the purpose of providing catalyst, by which we learn and evolve?

I see no separation from what we learn from our Higher Self, and what we learn from our daily interactions with other-selves. It's all one.

I do NOT judge, ever! On account of projection, it means that you are judging me harshly, don't you.

Projecting can work both ways!

I personally think that, even if we are projecting onto one another, there is always something of value in what the other person has to say.

It is not only you, but really, it is happening too often in this forum for my peace of heart.

Whitefeather, I'm curious whether you've read the Cognitive Distortions thread? It explores the different communication styles of our members and how our community can serve the needs of those with different styles. Some enjoy intellectual debate, others don't.

Though, I've gathered what is happening in this thread.

? Can you explain? Do you mean the meat thread or the plants thread? What is 'happening'?

Diana, you addressed your post to me and, my line of questions and comments was meant to guide you kindly somehow to look into yourself, to the foundation of your thoughts and feelings because EVERYTHING is a projection of the self.

All Diana said was that she thought your words about the thread being "brutal" were a bit harsh.

There is no other reason for me to be in this forum than giving the hand and guiding brothers and sisters to gather awareness at that particular nexus when it is IMPORTANT that as many as possible gain more awareness.

No other reason? Surely there is something in it for you as well! Being that we all can learn from one another.

Awareness of what? Awareness of and related to the nature of the self including what some would call 'ego' or 'intellectual mind', the argumentative part of an entity, the ever chatting mind of the yellow ray which pushes the spirit away.

My understanding of the Law of One is that all rays are important, though there can be imbalances and blockages. I don't think any one ray pushes away the spirit.

In some cases, the spirit may even be prodding the person to be pro-active. We each have our respective missions. Some are more activist in the world than others. It's all good.

This is a most important step in awareness. Awareness is a work done first about the self. It then expands to other-selves, and only in third position it reaches the other densities below as well as the ones above including the universe, though there is some overlapping at work too.

Hmmm...Interesting perspective. My understanding from Ra is that introspection and working with the catalyst of other-selves are both important. I don't see them as sequential.

Now, do you see why I created this thread about the life of plants? To create awareness, not a controversy. Do you know why so few are interested?

You'll get no controversy from me! I love the plants in my garden that I lovingly tend. The only controversy I see in this thread, so far, are the references to the other thread.

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I feel that the veggies I grow in my garden "feel" delighted to know that I will harvest them and eat them, thereby allowing them to become part of my reality, to interact with the other "beings" that live inside my body, etc. etc. I feel that my veggies are sometimes far more intricately aware of the dance of life than I am. I learn from them and give them thanks!

That's very similar to how I feel about my garden and fruit trees! And even the weeds...actually especially the oh-so-valuable weeds!

I found it interesting that Ra said even a locale could develop self-awareness. I feel a budding self-awareness in my back yard.

[Ruth]

I had to come back to look at this thread again because I started thinking that I was the first one to bring in the other thread. But it was Monica who posted a link to it as the first response to Whitefeather's post.

I only wish now that Whitefeather and I had not taken time to make a response to Monica's post, but simply continued with our discussion of plant life/awareness and relative research. The you said/I said posts are so very tiresome for me.

Love and light.

[Monica]

I had to come back to look at this thread again because I started thinking that I was the first one to bring in the other thread. But it was Monica who posted a link to it as the first response to Whitefeather's post.

I only wish now that Whitefeather and I had not taken time to make a response to Monica's post, but simply continued with our discussion of plant life/awareness and relative research. The you said/I said posts are so very tiresome for me.

Ruth, you seem to be implying that it was I who started a "you said/I said" exchange in this thread simply by posting a link, as though that were somehow wrong or inflammatory. If I'm understanding you correctly, I don't think that's a fair implication.

I routinely link related threads to each other. There is a tremendous amount of discussion about plants in the other thread, including discussion about this very research, so it was appropriate to link to it. My post was neutral. The 'bashing' of the other thread came later and, in all fairness, deserved a response.

We encourage our community to express any unresolved issues. But that's what the Cognitive Distortions thread is for. We created that thread so that other threads don't get off-topic.

No response was necessary to my neutral link. That link was for the benefit of other members who might stumble upon this thread and are genuinely interested in the topic, and might actually be interested in exploring the many dozens of thoughtful posts about plants in the other discussion.

You will see such 'related thread' links scattered throughout this forum. It's just routine housekeeping, for the benefit of our members. It was in no way any sort of invitation to bring up any perceived grievances from that other thread. I wasn't the one who did that.

If anyone wishes to discuss the 'brutality' in the other thread any further, I can split this thread so that it doesn't taint the plants discussion. I'd be happy to do that so this thread can get back on course.

[Diana]

I had to come back to look at this thread again because I started thinking that I was the first one to bring in the other thread. But it was Monica who posted a link to it as the first response to Whitefeather's post.

I only wish now that Whitefeather and I had not taken time to make a response to Monica's post, but simply continued with our discussion of plant life/awareness and relative research. The you said/I said posts are so very tiresome for me.

Love and light.

I understand your feeling Ruth. But please allow the others to respond when comments are made that put something (the meat thread) in a poor light. After all, why would it be okay for yours and Whitefeather's opinions to be posted, but not someone else's who may have a different point of view?

Monica's post about the content being related to the meat thread was neutral, and part of her duty as a mod .

Peace and love

[Whitefeather]

Diana and Monica, you are both derailing the thread.

[Monica]

Diana and Monica, you are both derailing the thread.

Suggestion: If you want to start a new thread and keep it light and fluffy, then it's rather unreasonable to make negative comments about other discussions and other people, and then expect them not to reply. It's kind of like making a jab then running away.

In addition, the other thread was even quoted, with excerpts taken out of context, and negative commentary given about those quotes.

An invitation to split the thread and resolve any grievances was extended to you, but instead of resolving the issues, we're told we're derailing?

Responding to the same topic isn't derailing. If the originator of the thread brings up a topic (in this case, the 'brutality' of another discussion, implying that certain people were 'brutal') and the participants in that other discussion politely ask for more clarity, in the very same thread, that isn't derailing.

Again, neither Diana nor I started the 'off-topic' discussion about 'brutality on the meat thread.' We just responded to it.

[Whitefeather]

Diana and Monica, you are both derailing the thread.

Suggestion: If you want to start a new thread and keep it light and fluffy, then it's rather unreasonable to make negative comments about other discussions and other people, and then expect them not to reply. It's kind of like making a jab then running away.

All the negative comments have been from you and from Diana.

[Monica]

The reference about the other thread was to explain some circumstances to Ruth, though I carefully edited out all brutal words. Words can be weapons, they can hurt and, I didn't want that to happen in this thread.

The only person you quoted was me. This statement gives a very clear implication that my words were brutal and hurtful.

[Whitefeather]

The reference about the other thread was to explain some circumstances to Ruth, though I carefully edited out all brutal words. Words can be weapons, they can hurt and, I didn't want that to happen in this thread.

The only person you quoted was me. This statement gives a very clear implication that my words were brutal and hurtful.

Haven't you read why I quoted you? Can you see the CONTEXT of the quote?

[Monica]

All the negative comments have been from you and from Diana.

Wow. I'm stunned. No effort is made to point out what we did that was supposedly 'negative', a declaration is made that you are here 'only' to teach us, but not to ever learn from others, and a blanket statement is made that we are totally at fault.

And the irony is, that if either Diana or I make any additional efforts at reaching an understanding, we will likely be accused of being 'brutal' or, at the very least, of 'projecting.'

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Haven't you read why I quoted you? Can you see the CONTEXT of the quote?

You strongly implied that my words were brutal. Do you really expect me to not respond to that?

I actually didn't respond to that... I let it slide. Until more accusations were made, explicitly saying Diana and I are totally at fault.

Was that really necessary?

Incidentally, I actually wasn't even intending to participate at all in this thread. I wanted to let you have your own space, which you seemed to want. But then I was quoted, and negative comments about my posts were made...

Again, if the objective had been to simply discuss plants, then there was no need to make negative comments about other discussions and other people. To do so is to invite response. To then reject and criticize that response, with no effort at understanding, and then add accusations on top of that, isn't fair or reasonable.

To make accusations, then accuse others of derailing or being negative when they respond, is jabbing.

[Whitefeather]

Monica,
I am NOT interested in THAT conversation.
Peace, please.

[Monica]

Monica,
I am NOT interested in THAT conversation.
Peace, please.

Fine. I'm not either. I do have a request though: If you have a grievance, please bring it out in the open in the thread designated for that, or pm the person you have the issue with. Please don't make comments, then criticize or reject responses to those comments. That is 1-sided.

[Diana]

Monica,
I am NOT interested in THAT conversation.
Peace, please.

You throw out accusations very easily.

It is ironic that you say "peace." It's difficult to make peace with someone who wants to say what they want to say, but won't allow others to respond. I will leave you to your thread, and for you to contemplate your words. You did say words can be weapons, and certainly you have thrown arrows.

[Whitefeather]

Monica,
I am NOT interested in THAT conversation.
Peace, please.

You throw out accusations very easily.

It is ironic that you say "peace." It's difficult to make peace with someone who wants to say what they want to say, but won't allow others to respond. I will leave you to your thread, and for you to contemplate your words. You did say words can be weapons, and certainly you have thrown arrows.

You throw out accusations very easily.

Accusations?!?

It is ironic that you say "peace."

You are mistaken. 'Peace' for me is not ironic.

It's difficult to make peace with someone who wants to say what they want to say, ...

No one ask you to make peace if you find it difficult.

...but won't allow others to respond.

You have responded all you wanted so what are you complaining about?

I will leave you to your thread, ...

That is not a new decision. This thread has been 'left alone' from the start.

... and for you to contemplate your words.

You mean, the word 'peace'? Then, I'll leave you to contemplate your sin, the only true sin, which is the negation of the Spirit, be it of another self.

... certainly you have thrown arrows.

No, I have not. Review what I wrote.

[Monica]

Monica,
I am NOT interested in THAT conversation.
Peace, please.

You throw out accusations very easily.

It is ironic that you say "peace." It's difficult to make peace with someone who wants to say what they want to say, but won't allow others to respond. I will leave you to your thread, and for you to contemplate your words. You did say words can be weapons, and certainly you have thrown arrows.

You throw out accusations very easily.

Accusations?!?

It is ironic that you say "peace."

You are mistaken. 'Peace' for me is not ironic.

It's difficult to make peace with someone who wants to say what they want to say, ...

No one ask you to make peace if you find it difficult.

...but won't allow others to respond.

You have responded all you wanted so what are you complaining about?

I will leave you to your thread, ...

That is not a new decision. This thread has been 'left alone' from the start.

... and for you to contemplate your words.

You mean, the word 'peace'? Then, I'll leave you to contemplate your sin, the only true sin, which is the negation of the Spirit, be it of another self.

... certainly you have thrown arrows.

No, I have not. Review what I wrote.

Weeks later...still no introspection? Still no interest in considering the other point of view? It's still 100% the other people at fault?

[Whitefeather]

... certainly you have thrown arrows.

No, I have not. Review what I wrote.

Weeks later...still no introspection? Still no interest in considering the other point of view? It's still 100% the other people at fault?

Why pointing at me when talking about yourself?

[Monica]

Why pointing at me when talking about yourself?

This is getting ridiculous. (flashbacks from junior high)

OK I'll spell it out: Both Diana and I made attempts at communication and reconciliation. We asked honest questions, in a sincere attempt to understand what you had supposedly found offensive in that other thread (which you brought up). You didn't respond to our efforts but instead insisted we were the ones at fault, while ignoring our actual thoughts and taking zero responsibility for yourself.

We're both willing to take partial responsibility, but we're both quite stunned that you don't seem interested in sharing that responsibility, and instead keep insisting that you are only here to teach us, and keep telling us to look at ourselves, while, apparently, refusing to do so yourself.

Real communication and sharing of feelings is what heals rifts. Not cutesy hearts while shutting down any communication/connection.

Real peace comes from understanding and accepting the other person and their point of view, even though you might not agree with it. Suppressing any differing viewpoints isn't peace. Refusing to engage in discourse just to keep the peace, isn't peace when there is obviously still some negative feeling being suppressed by either party. Just saying the word peace isn't peace. Real peace is accepting the other person (and their feelings and viewpoints) in love, not throwing a jab at them and running away, then accusing them of needing to look in the mirror if they ask you why you jabbed at them. Or worse...sinning. (!)

I had hoped, after 2 weeks, that this could be resolved. But to just repeat the same thing, isn't resolving anything.

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That is not a new decision. This thread has been 'left alone' from the start.

Maybe there have been so few posts, because of all the drama.

[Whitefeather]

Why pointing at me when talking about yourself?

This is getting ridiculous. (flashbacks from junior high)

At last we agree on something which has been my position from the start!

OK I'll spell it out: Both Diana and I made attempts at communication and reconciliation. We asked honest questions, in a sincere attempt to understand what you had supposedly found offensive in that other thread (which you brought up). You didn't respond to our efforts but instead insisted we were the ones at fault, while ignoring our actual thoughts and taking zero responsibility for yourself.

We're both willing to take partial responsibility, but we're both quite stunned that you don't seem interested in sharing that responsibility, and instead keep insisting that you are only here to teach us, and keep telling us to look at ourselves, while, apparently, refusing to do so yourself.

Real communication and sharing of feelings is what heals rifts. Not cutesy hearts while shutting down any communication/connection.

I had hoped, after 2 weeks, that this could be resolved. But to just repeat the same thing, isn't resolving anything.

Wow, hold on the horses again.
If you would kindly start to stop making assumptions telling me my position, we could go somewhere. You may tell me YOUR position but you may not tell me mine! Why? Because telling people what their position is is a form of control upon them and, they will react to it. I disagree when you have invented/decided that I am this and that and, when you are quarelling me for what you imagine that I am, did or think; I find this ridiculous! You leave me no space for me, in a manner of speaking. It is when I came with a mirror, so to say. Besides, assumptions always are where problems of communication start. I know my position and it is not what you are saying.

Your description above is nicely put but is not what happened!

And I am surprised that you are talking on Diana's behalf?!

(for my part, I have nothing against a 'curtesy' heart. In a forum where we do not see one another and where therefore, the presence is missing, it helps to show the position where I/we stand.)

[Monica]

You may tell me YOUR position but you may not tell me mine!

Right on!

Previously stated:

I do NOT judge, ever! On account of projection, it means that you are judging me harshly, don't you...

Diana, you addressed your post to me and, my line of questions and comments was meant to guide you kindly somehow to look into yourself,

There is no other reason for me to be in this forum than giving the hand and guiding brothers and sisters

My impression, from your words, is that you seem to have put yourself in the position of 'teacher.'

All perspectives are valid. I like hearts too, except when they're used in an incongruent way.

I have nothing more to add.