An appreciation of 'Outlier' Don Elkins

[BrownEye]

Exactly. Do you have any experience with magic? I have mostly knowledge to go on here. Does it make sense that the objects used in the protection ritual could attract a certain sort of _________ that wasn't actually there?

I have experience with the side effects of others using magic. What they tend to do is use symbols and sigils without first testing if it is even safe to do so. These symbols and sigils are most times connected to things in the astral realm that may just "need" a connection to the physical. The other part of this is that certain symbols activate dormant "info" inside us, possibly DNA related, that will create something that wasn't there beforehand. There are a few different ways a symbol can have meaning, my habits are to see what a symbol does to my strength before I make a decision.

So I can see how in the mind of somebody who is very new to the Law of One, and who is steeped in a certain line of thought with little experience outside of their religious belief system would easily project the return of Christ into the Ra communication.

I had gotten the message that it would be best to read the LOO first, in order to understand the bible.

People have been proclaiming the return of Jesus for the last 2000 years, and yet he has not come.

From my understanding it is the return of a "type" rather than an individual. The texts have understanding hidden behind parables while the literal parable is what is promoted. As in a type of person, what I have mentioned as Mankind/Humankind, and the eventual evolution that is inevitable.

Roman catholicism is the only religion I have much personal experience with,

So you have direct experience of being taught a parable as literalism. Have you figured out what the Holy Grail is yet?

Revelations was not given by a man of god anyways. I may start up a thread with the obvious mistranslations that continue to be used through all subsequent translations. But, if you think about it, how hard would it be to create a belief system which promotes a future vision, therefore manifesting that vision through years of indoctrination and the hive minds hardline belief bringing it about?

Heck, it could even be that this "foretold end" is created to bring about a destruction, which will only be stopped by our caretakers anyway. Like a reality failsafe system that works in the same way overpopulation limiters kick in.

[Tenet Nosce]

I have experience with the side effects of others using magic. What they tend to do is use symbols and sigils without first testing if it is even safe to do so. These symbols and sigils are most times connected to things in the astral realm that may just "need" a connection to the physical. The other part of this is that certain symbols activate dormant "info" inside us, possibly DNA related, that will create something that wasn't there beforehand. There are a few different ways a symbol can have meaning, my habits are to see what a symbol does to my strength before I make a decision.

Ahh, I see. Well maybe that is what is going on here.

I had gotten the message that it would be best to read the LOO first, in order to understand the bible.

Yeah that would put a whole different spin on things. I can definitely concur that many passages and stories from the Bible that were previously confusing to me make much more sense when I view it though a different lens.

From my understanding it is the return of a "type" rather than an individual. The texts have understanding hidden behind parables while the literal parable is what is promoted. As in a type of person, what I have mentioned as Mankind/Humankind, and the eventual evolution that is inevitable.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

This is on of my favorite quotes from the Bible. Although, I would much rather just get right to the "meat" of the teaching and read straight from the Gospel of Thomas.

So you have direct experience of being taught a parable as literalism.

Yes. I later learned that the technical term for this is synecdoche. Not the telling of the parable, but rather the literal interpretation thereof.

Have you figured out what the Holy Grail is yet?

I know of a seeker who goes by Montalk that is hot on the trail of the Holy Grail.

He believes that is may actually exist as an example of demiurgic technology, or spiritual weaponry of sorts. An object that can be charged with life energy, or vril, and be used to essentially break the rules of physical creation. Or at least that is my take. Better to let him speak for himself on that one.

Of course, when taken in a nonliteral context the "cup that holds the blood of Christ" could very well be a reference to his physical descendants. Of course that is heresy of the worst kind in the view of the church. Luckily for us some scholars have been willing to step outside of the "box" and look to history for clues. And luckily for them, the church no longer has power to take a person's life for stepping outside of the fabricated dogma.

Revelations was not given by a man of god anyways. I may start up a thread with the obvious mistranslations that continue to be used through all subsequent translations. But, if you think about it, how hard would it be to create a belief system which promotes a future vision, therefore manifesting that vision through years of indoctrination and the hive minds hardline belief bringing it about?

I think this is an interesting topic, and in many ways I believe this was done through the Book of Daniel. The book of Daniel was written circa 300 BCE and recounted the events that took place between 600 BCE and 500 BCE during the Babylonian exile of the Hebrews.

Incidentally, this is the same time period when a number of new religions and systems of thought were springing up around China, India, and Greece. Can you imagine? The Temple has been destroyed, and the Hebrews are forced to leave the Promised Land. How traumatic for these people! Even more so after being told they were the "Chosen Ones" of God. I mean, if they were God's people, then why didn't God step in? So you can see how much potential there was for this type of distortion to manifest. What really cooks my noodle is to think that this is what Yahweh/Jehovah had planned all along.

So I think the Book of Daniel was an attempt to reframe Judaism by positing some future time when the "wrath of God" would be unleashed in vengeance and restore the Throne of David through the coming of the Messiah. Revelations picks up this apocalyptic theme and essentially Christianizes it.

Say, that reminds me have you ever seen Jesus Camp? I watched it a few months back on Netflix and it really gave me the heebie-jeebies.

Heck, it could even be that this "foretold end" is created to bring about a destruction, which will only be stopped by our caretakers anyway. Like a reality failsafe system that works in the same way overpopulation limiters kick in.

Maybe. I am somewhat skeptical of any caretakers stepping in to rescue humanity at the last second. I truly believe that all of the solutions that humanity needs to move forward are already staring us right in the face, if only we would pull our noses out of materialism and dogma long enough to look.

[kycahi]

These are all highly charged with Christian symbolism, as you well know. Do you see what I am getting at, or is this nonsensical to you?

The stuff might be well-recognized as symbols from the Christian religion, but I dunno how they would become "charged," nor with what. Therefore to me it is not nonsensical, it just is not interesting.

So I can see how in the mind of somebody who is very new to the Law of One, and who is steeped in a certain line of thought with little experience outside of their religious belief system would easily project the return of Christ into the Ra communication.

IMO, the kind of "somebody" who would project that is unlikely to read much of the LOO. If they read all of it though, they would see commentary about JC himself that ought to discourage such projection.

People have every right to interpret the LOO their own way, but it has been around for a long enough time to scare up Satan-believers to label it as evil literature. I don't know if that has happened, and of course it still may, but I think the material kind of protects itself in its low-key and slightly cryptic style.

[Tenet Nosce]

The stuff might be well-recognized as symbols from the Christian religion, but I dunno how they would become "charged," nor with what. Therefore to me it is not nonsensical, it just is not interesting.

Questioner: Secondly, she would like to know why she feels more healthy now that she has begun these sessions and feels more healthy as time goes on?


Ra: I am Ra. This is a function of the free will of the entity. This entity has, for many of your years, prayed a certain set of sound vibration complexes before opening to communication. Before the trance state was achieved this prayer remained within the conscious portion of the mind complex and, though helpful, was not as effective as the consequence of this prayer, as you would call this vibrational sound complex, which then goes directly into the unconscious level, thus more critically affecting the communication from the spiritual complex.

IMO, the kind of "somebody" who would project that is unlikely to read much of the LOO. If they read all of it though, they would see commentary about JC himself that ought to discourage such projection.

People have every right to interpret the LOO their own way, but it has been around for a long enough time to scare up Satan-believers to label it as evil literature. I don't know if that has happened, and of course it still may, but I think the material kind of protects itself in its low-key and slightly cryptic style.

Agreed.

[BrownEye]

I know of a seeker who goes by Montalk that is hot on the trail of the Holy Grail.

I did not know about that list of traits. Most of the traits fit, while a couple don't seem to. He appears to be way off track though, mostly because of indoctrination making everyone believe it was simply an "object". The symbol of the grail is up on display in every catholic church. That is the only hint I will give out.
Heck i'm way off topic.

[Tenet Nosce]

Back in my college days, I often attended weekly meditation meetings at friends, Hal and Jo. Hal was the one who first introduced Don to that particular kind of channeling. They had lived in Michigan until the car company where Hal worked opened a plant in Louisville. Anyway, at about one in eight or ten of those weekly meetings Don would show up. He sometimes channeled but often just sat in (as I did).

Check this out! It looks like some of those transcripts have turned up, and have just been made public by David Wilcock.

http://divinecosmos.com/media/1950s_ETs.pdf

They refer to meetings both in Livonia and Warren. This is so bizarre... ever since I came across the Ra material I have felt very personally connected to it, but can't quite figure out how. Now, after all these years, I come to find out that there is a link back to the area I grew up. Not to mention the timing...

Say, you wouldn't happen to recall if there was a man named Leo/Leonard who attended any of those meetings, would ya?

Also, please see some of my comments about the material here.

[kycahi]

This is the comments:

RE: 1981.01.05 - 1981.01.15 Last Hatonn Contact Before Ra
Some new information just released by David Wilcock. This document contains several transmissions from Hatonn, and a few from Latwii, to a group operating in the SE Michigan area during the 50's and early 60's.

http://divinecosmos.com/media/1950s_ETs.pdf

When I read Hatonn's words here, I get the same sort of impressions. Hatonn seems to be genuinely concerned with being of service to humanity. At the same time, I see certain areas where they appear to have limited understanding.

For example, they say that all of creation is one, but then draw lines between the "light" and the "darkness". So, are the "dark ones" part of creation, or not? They say evil doesn't exist, but for the minds of men. They keep using "GOD" and "the Father" rather than the "One Infinite Creator". They speak much of love, but little of wisdom. They refer to the coming "cataclysm". They speak of the Father knowing what is "right" and "wrong" and what people "should" do. They speak of surrounding oneself with light from the outside, yet do not mention the inner light shining from within. And so on.

This is what I am attempting to get at by suggesting that the Ra contact was an intervention. Hatonn, gotta love 'em, doesn't seem to have much understanding of the dark path, even to the point where at times they seem to deny that it truly exists. They certainly don't understand that the "light" STO and "dark" STS paths are equally valid under the Law of One.

So given the context of a Disclosure-type event, it concerns me that Hatonn, or others of the same vibratory level, would fail to mention to humanity that there are actually two paths available and that there is nothing "wrong" about the dark path. It is simply another choice.

Third-density is about making the "Choice".... so how can somebody make a choice if they are only offered one option?

Hatonn was channeled by lots of folks, each of whom inevitably influenced the information at least a little. Hence "God," "Father," "should," "cataclysm" etc. That's why I see this source as adjunct to the Ra material.

People of a density higher than 3rd may not take seriously the concept of "dark" or "evil." I hope not, anyway. They're gross and ugly to me.

My computer choked on the pdf link.

I scanned this thread and saw comments about Don Elkins being unstable and schizophrenic. That is not the man I knew at all. In his first Physics class, I remember him saying that because it's an Engineering School, correct answers are everything--an engineer can't excuse a failing bridge with, "But I used the right method!" Many weeks later in a lab, he wrote problems on the board for us to solve on paper and turn in. One guy raised his hand and asked which method to use on one of them, and Don said, "As far as I'm concerned, you can use witchcraft as long as you have the right answer within 5%." He said what he meant and meant what he said.

[Tenet Nosce]

I scanned this thread and saw comments about Don Elkins being unstable and schizophrenic. That is not the man I knew at all.

Wait... I'm confused! Where are comments about Don being unstable and schizophrenic?

[kycahi]

Wait... I'm confused! Where are comments about Don being unstable and schizophrenic?

They were back in post 19. I used the browser search feature.

[Tenet Nosce]

Wait... I'm confused! Where are comments about Don being unstable and schizophrenic?

They were back in post 19. I used the browser search feature.

Oh, you are talking about this?

Don had depressive disorder long before the Ra contact. Sometimes it was bad and other times it wasn't visible. He had a terrific sense of humor and usually was good company. After moving to California, I would call them up on a Saturday to chat. Usually Carla answered and we exchanged anecdotes for awhile, but sometimes Don answered. I would say my name and he usually said that Carla would be back in awhile. Then I would say okay, what's been happening with you? Half the time, he would be curt so I would thank him and end the call, and the other half he might get excited to tell about meeting with Charlie Hixson or talk about some new close encounter he investigated.

Charlie Hixson. I will track him down as well. Yes, it kind of sounds like Don may have had some sort of bipolar disorder, and the Ra contact may have added some schizophrenic features on top of it. I believe that some cases of schizophrenia are a result of what happens when revelations are made to a mind that is not sufficiently prepared. I have observed LSD to have particularly negative aftereffects in others. Perhaps it has something to to with it being lab created? Would you feel moved to share if Don had any experiences with mind-altering substances?

Well, you were the one who pointed out the bipolar features of his personality. I pointed out that he also appeared to have schizophrenic features, as in:

Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that makes it difficult to tell the difference between real and unreal experiences, to think logically, to have normal emotional responses, and to behave normally in social situations.

Pointing out that somebody's behavior has schizophrenic features is not the same as calling them schizophrenic. However, I am pretty sure that anybody walking into an MD's office complaining of physical ailments due to an attack by a fifth-density negative entity would probably end up with that label.

So I guess I am at a loss as to your point. Are you saying that Don was different before the Ra contact? Or you just don't like the term "schizophrenic".. or...?

Anyway, I am not all that concerned one way or another. From what I understand of Don, he was in many ways a remarkable man. I'm sure he has moved through that traumatic experience by now, and I would venture a guess that he isn't too concerned with maintaining a positive image of his former self in the mind of somebody he never met.

I am more interested if you happened to know of a Leonard/Leo at any of those Michigan channeling groups!

[kycahi]

If someone who has different moods at different times is unstable, then I'm unstable. OTOH, I consider that an unstable person should not be trusted with machinery, and Don was trusted with large passenger jets.

I think of schizophrenia as not always perceiving the reality that others do. Don was very aware of things around him and that made him good company. Perhaps "schizophrenic features" is something else entirely that I don't know.

I didn't hear that Don walked into an MD office and complained of an attack by a 5D negative entity. That certainly would raise eyebrows. It also would be years after I moved from Louisville.

I don't remember hearing any detail about the Michigan channeling.

[3DMonkey]

I use schizophrenic loosely to simply mean high strung or hyperactive. 'a bit schizophrenic'

[Tenet Nosce]

I think of schizophrenia as not always perceiving the reality that others do. Don was very aware of things around him and that made him good company. Perhaps "schizophrenic features" is something else entirely that I don't know.

I didn't hear that Don walked into an MD office and complained of an attack by a 5D negative entity. That certainly would raise eyebrows. It also would be years after I moved from Louisville.

LOL, no not Don. I'm sorry I should have specified. Years ago I had a close friend who had some personality issues similar to the way you described Don... at times very quiet and withdrawn, at times exuberant.

I came across the Ra material shortly after we met. I tried to share some of the ideas with him in an effort to help him... including the concept of 5D negative entities. Many years later I believe he succumbed to an attack. It totally broke his personality, and he is now schizophrenic. Sometimes I can't help but wonder if I hadn't planted the idea in his head Inception-style, would he every have become a target...

I don't remember hearing any detail about the Michigan channeling.

Shoot. I have this nagging intuition that my grandfather Leo was somehow connected to those meetings.

[Tenet Nosce]

These are all highly charged with Christian symbolism, as you well know. Do you see what I am getting at, or is this nonsensical to you?

The stuff might be well-recognized as symbols from the Christian religion, but I dunno how they would become "charged," nor with what. Therefore to me it is not nonsensical, it just is not interesting.

My apologies for replying to you with more possibly uninteresting information, however I just came across a quote which is relevant, even if uninteresting.

Questioner: Is the instrument comfortable? Is there anything that we can do to increase the comfort of the instrument?

Ra: I am Ra. The candle could be rotated clockwise approximately 10° each session to improve the flow of spiraled energy through the being’s receiving mechanisms. This particular configuration is well otherwise. But we ask that the objects described and used be centered with geometric care and checked from time to time. Also that they not be exposed to that space/time in which work is not of importance.

[kycahi]

Sorry I can't remember where, but I think I remember reading around here that those detailed careful suggestions regarding that placement was more a way to get Don and Jim to focus on Carla's needs than on the actual placement. Or something like that. Anybody?

[fr33d0m]

My understanding is Ra's reference to the adjustment of the physical items in the room was a round about way of letting them know they were getting off topic in their questioning. The group realized this at some point.

I truly wish I had known this great man: Don. I have only seen video of him, which I felt honored to be able to see. One of my heroes.

[Pi_Sahasra]

A long way in the making, this entity now makes its introduction by way of their 3rd density wanderer avatar.

Please allow the avatar to speak freely in 3rd density form with its many distortions.

First, as an awakened and responsible wanderer, this has been a long time coming. Over the years, taking my wanderer path through the incursions and excursions of the trials and tribulations since, I have finally found my way back home, no matter the source, no matter the interpretation, no matter instrument, followed through, the way of the scientific method. It is truly an inescapable moral truth of truth seeking and to have led me here all the same at this truly morbid time no longer questions my faith in me and my fellow higher spirit-inner realms-mind/body/spirit complex team.

It is I, Don, your child, your being, your wanderer, your fan, your lover, your hero, your pessimist, your 5th Density STS culprit, your one! We are all one! For all that has happened, we shall allow nothing to tarnish that which is only homage to your great work so ruthlessly defined by the sharpening blade of science, observation and objectivism in humility of the truth and facts above all else before judgement. The karmaic balance was so ripe within the texts of Ra it was an instantaneous snap into the very fibers of my infinite love/light energy fibers that looped the continuum.

Homage:

Don, you wouldn't believe me if I told you, I had the greatest life experiences because of you and Carla. There I was, the extended(break) batch of dental college. Couldn't even qualify to get into the finals because of poor handling (shall we say poor instrumentation of this mind/body/spirit complex) of the final year; I just broke up with one of the few entities I will come to know and love in all their holographic identity throughout my life, I had to be stuck in a place i dont wanna be for another 2 years, I had almost no financial support to last for months of lifestyle expenditure and I was an atheist tipping to agnostic.

I was like my life was f*****, Don, oblivion doesnt sound too bad you know? But I had a confidence brewing within. Something has snapped within. I had met a gay relative back home 2 years ago who introduced to me about you Don, the L/L Research, Carla, the Law of One, the works. He knew I was a science major and an open atheist at that point but an open to debate one who didnt put much stock in his faith of atheism either. For the next 2 years, something dawned within...a familiarity with the words, a relativity to its meaning, the understanding of its subjectivity of it all and its metaphysical interpretations of the history of the universe and its dimensions that somehow made my scientific pursuit magnetized in a polar lock.

By the time I was near the ledge, I had the hubris to say f*** it. If I'm gonna die, I might as well try finding the answer to whats the point it all myself. So what did I know to do back then? Nothing. Im studying dentistry, what do you think I would have known? LOL. All I had was time, a pretty good confidence of myself (enough to procrastinate studying to ace the finals because i didnt even get the chance to face it before) and the internet. As an experienced digital researcher by that point, I gained access to basic channeling techniques, pre-meditated some ambiance and instrumentation of my own complexes and the surrounding as much as the extended period allowed me and launched in my own (almost Buddha-like) pursuit and quest for truth.

You won't believe Don, all I did was defined my instrumentation properly like you did, and maintained a proverbial anchor because I was solo-ing this project, it was do or die. In simple terms, after much trial and practice, I combined meditation, channeling and mantra into one singularity with the sole focus of seeking my point, my truth in relative to the 3rd density. I needed to know....was I really needed in this density? Do I even need to go through the process? With that in mind, as Asian descent, I assimilated the forms vedic and buddhist recitals in the form of mantra whilst attempting to channel and meditate in a static receiving ambiance. The mantra, if I remember correctly was; I seek the wisdom, I seek the all, I seek God. The mantra is not premeditated but formed both in conscious (before) and in-congruent (during) states of channeling. At first, I felt stupid doing it Don, like you wouldn't believe. Nobody has done this before, or at least I have observed. What if I invoke a STS 5th density character I barely even know of back then, ya know?!

But the mantra that is form in and out of states is chaotic. It is formed both within and without, almost like consciousness. It strengthened my core in its pursuit at its sheer desperation and almost divine willpower. In that purity of open state, I was channeled. The recognition was instantaneos, it was my higher self/guardian angel/higher holographic representation whatever we call it. There was no buffer, no diffusion, distortion, link breakage, it was as clear as crystalline. The exchange also was purely telepathic but it was moored out of time. It felt so strong, vivid that I cant even remember how long it took place but mediocre journaling attempts place it at an hour plus for the whole session on noting time before and after the entire session.

In my journal, I wrote: The guide told me I know who it is but my fear and humility prevents me from its truth. I only know of its love for, I can feel it even now showering me as I write this. I've gone to a place I can never come back. I know not what to do. But the guide told me not to worry about what I should or should not do, my destiny is not with me but with Him/Them, it was inevitable however my form took. At the end, I was shocked, this is no normal guide that helped me before. It sounds like me but spoke like it was God (or God in my eyes at that moment, its speech pattern, its insinuation, its face indistinguishable from 3rd density phase but me). Even though I am confused, it is easier for me now to reach this state and the feelings that came from it is truth. My mind can make me happy but it can never make them come from the inside like this. It was pure love/light.

When the session ended Don, I had tears that never ran down my eyes for ages. It was a trance I have never experience till then. But it was the only one that had that spark of meaning the most. In that moment, I knew that All is One and broke me down a path of active re-enlightenment. Over time, it became clear that they are of 5th dimension and I am just the 3rd density avatar of them. That is how the holographic principle works. In a way we are no wanderers if not awakened but in a larger truth, we are all wanderers by right.

Don't you think that's infinitely poignant Don?

I hope you are doing well in your higher densities Don, love/light knows your work should be.

Infinite love and light to thee, Adonai
Wanderer Pi

P.S.: I believe Ra makes it clear that STS isn't in its own right negative by distinction but opposite to STO in polarity only like a subatomic particle spin or color. Over time my/our practice and sessions have revealed that to achieve Gateway transcendance/harvest to Ra's realm, I/We would need the 50% STS polarity to make the smoothest transition into 6th. What is 6th if not pure fusion? What is beyond the gateway if not the beginning fusion of densities of multiple universes and dimension? Ra understands this importance to dissuade label onto polarities and that is why I'm here. To learn STS in 3rd density with purely STO vibrational instinctual foundation. To inform that STS 5th density wanderers aren't some demonic entities. Some are purely 4th and 5th dimensional STO based polarities relearning STS in 3rd densities. In order to assimilate primal raw universal fusion, STS is also important to assimilate for are we not the will and the hands of our holographic principles that lead to the One and All? Shall we disrespect ourselves and in turn disrespect the All that is One? Shall we disservice ourselves and in turn disservice the All that is One?

In your Memory Don, wander forever on

[AnthroHeart]

I think I came from 5th density STS. Maybe to harvest positive and maybe bring back something to their world. Though I don't know.
I'm creating a new world that I plan to harvest into.

[caregiverdude]

I am new here, so forgive me if I sound quite unpolished regarding the Ra Law of One material.

I have a question that perhaps someone can commiserate with me. Carla notes that she and Jim felt that Don was psychotic, a very serious mental condition. Instead of leaving him alone to sort things out, why didn't they take him to a psychiatrist in Louisville? You don't help someone who is psychotic by leaving that person alone, especially if he is suffering spiritual attack. I do realize that in the early 80's there may have been fear of a psychiatrist's judgment of the entire Ra phenomena as some sort of shared delusion. But from experience, I can verify that such a doctor could have saved Don's life.

In 2010 I had a class nervous breakdown. My symptoms were similar to Dons. But I did have presence of mind to know that I needed external help since nothing internal (prayer, meditation, visualization, affirmation...) helped at all. I found an amazing psychiatrist who for the next 3 years led me through a review of my subconscious. He helped me acknowledge the source of fear and anxiety, bringing me back to sanity (at least as we humans currently define this term). Yes, I was given medications upfront to balance my mind, since this was necessary to calm me to the point where I could do interactive therapy (it is hard to to therapy when you are bouncing off the walls).

OK. It was another time. But if only they had asked for medical therapeutic help (the medications could have brought Don back to a relative calm while therapy could have healed him).

But supposedly Don appeared to Carla a few days after his death and seemed happy as a clam (an expression from the past that seems to imply that someone at some time shared consciousness with a clam!).

[caregiverdude]

I just registered to say that I knew Don and agree with the observations shared here.  He was equally superior and humble and never assumed that what someone else knew was to be challenged or dismissed.

Don wasn't perfect.  After all he was living as we all do, in the third density.  He had dark moods that colored his ability to participate in life with others, though he never let it be part of his outward personality.  He didn't gripe or act ugly, ever, in front of me.  He would sometimes say things that revealed discouragement, and Carla might just say, "Don, ixnay."  That was enough.  He stayed quiet after that or left the room.

Don was complicated and frequently discouraged.  The Ra Material touched his passion for the truth and kept him going.  I always will be grateful for having been a very small part of his life.

I cringed when I read this portion of your fascinating post. The WORST THING you can do for someone suffering from serious depression is to shut them up, to deny their negativity, to give the person no outlet as the mind tries to do impromptu therapy with a loved one. This might reflect a New Age tendency to deny the negative as if it has such great overwhelming power that simply acknowledging negative situations might destroy the world. To borrow from the Christian tradition, we are to be spiritual warriors, and that entails going into dark places and bringing people enslaved there into the light. This is not done by saying "ixnay". This is equivalent to saying "I know you are enslaved in the dark. I just don't want to hear about it because it might rain on my happy parade".

I went through what Don went through and New Age friends fled. They didn't want to hear about it. They shushed me up and poured pixie dust over my throbbing wound. Happily, I ended up in mainstream medical care with a psychiatrist who DID LISTEN. Together over 3 years we healed much that needed to be expressed.

[Dtris]

I just registered to say that I knew Don and agree with the observations shared here.  He was equally superior and humble and never assumed that what someone else knew was to be challenged or dismissed.

Don wasn't perfect.  After all he was living as we all do, in the third density.  He had dark moods that colored his ability to participate in life with others, though he never let it be part of his outward personality.  He didn't gripe or act ugly, ever, in front of me.  He would sometimes say things that revealed discouragement, and Carla might just say, "Don, ixnay."  That was enough.  He stayed quiet after that or left the room.

Don was complicated and frequently discouraged.  The Ra Material touched his passion for the truth and kept him going.  I always will be grateful for having been a very small part of his life.

I cringed when I read this portion of your fascinating post. The WORST THING you can do for someone suffering from serious depression is to shut them up, to deny their negativity, to give the person no outlet as the mind tries to do impromptu therapy with a loved one. This might reflect a New Age tendency to deny the negative as if it has such great overwhelming power that simply acknowledging negative situations might destroy the world. To borrow from the Christian tradition, we are to be spiritual warriors, and that entails going into dark places and bringing people enslaved there into the light. This is not done by saying "ixnay".  This is equivalent to saying "I know you are enslaved in the dark. I just don't want to hear about it because it might rain on my happy parade".  

I went through what Don went through and New Age friends fled. They didn't want to hear about it. They shushed me up and poured pixie dust over my throbbing wound. Happily, I ended up in mainstream medical care with a psychiatrist who DID LISTEN. Together over 3 years we healed much that needed to be expressed.

What you ask about has only a few people who were around who could answer. While fascinating, I don't find it to be helpful for personal evolution to ask "why did they not," or "why did they". Its ok to use other peoples lives to learn from, but judging their actions thru the eyes of someone in a different time and place will never give any meaningful answer.

[Diana]

Don wasn't perfect.  After all he was living as we all do, in the third density.  He had dark moods that colored his ability to participate in life with others, though he never let it be part of his outward personality.  He didn't gripe or act ugly, ever, in front of me.  He would sometimes say things that revealed discouragement, and Carla might just say, "Don, ixnay."  That was enough.  He stayed quiet after that or left the room.

I cringed when I read this portion of your fascinating post. The WORST THING you can do for someone suffering from serious depression is to shut them up, to deny their negativity, to give the person no outlet as the mind tries to do impromptu therapy with a loved one. This might reflect a New Age tendency to deny the negative as if it has such great overwhelming power that simply acknowledging negative situations might destroy the world. To borrow from the Christian tradition, we are to be spiritual warriors, and that entails going into dark places and bringing people enslaved there into the light. This is not done by saying "ixnay".  This is equivalent to saying "I know you are enslaved in the dark. I just don't want to hear about it because it might rain on my happy parade".  

I went through what Don went through and New Age friends fled. They didn't want to hear about it. They shushed me up and poured pixie dust over my throbbing wound. Happily, I ended up in mainstream medical care with a psychiatrist who DID LISTEN. Together over 3 years we healed much that needed to be expressed.

I had a similar reaction when I read that. We all have a tendency to repress feelings. And heaping censorship on top of that is pretty inconsiderate.

The three people who acquired the Ra Material are/were just beings here like us all; so Carla controlling Don like that—inasmuch as it can be understood out of context—is just lack of awareness, which we all have in one way or another. 

Trying to understand Don doesn't seem likely, but may be relevant to those who require validation. I don't.

I so get the New Age community and the veneer of "positivity" glossing over anything really challenging. There is a poem by Ella Wheeler Wilcox, written in the 1880s or thereabouts, the famous lines of which are: When you laugh the world laughs with you; When you cry, you cry alone. Aside form the deeper implications that we must walk our own paths and be responsible for our own evolution, there is the more surface sentiment that does manifest in human interaction.

[flofrog]

I feel so grateful towards Jim, Carla, and Don. And I feel so grateful for the existence of this forum. And knowing that Jim still grieves for the loss of his wife and certainly for the loss of his friend, I feel very detached from the research of this thread.

[AnthroHeart]

I can sympathize with Don because I've had like three mental breakdowns. Fortunately though I did go to mental hospitals.

[Pi_Sahasra]

The neural net is a poorly understood subject back then...it still is now but through the scientific method, helped regular folks have insights into the mind. Most of the solutions actually stem biologically through the processing of the brain and tackling it in that manner takes practice that have lasted lifetimes. Through my studies of both biological and spiritual information, we already have the answers symbolically represented within ancient texts. These were religious doctrines. Most if not all were of a spiritual nature and pursuit. In them, all forms of meanings of the structure of consciousness emerges. If we overlap them onto biology and physics, this is the answer I have received.

Consciousness isnt just internal, it is external as well. How do I spin this into quantum physics? Well, this is where i believe thought-form exist. Dark Matter. How? The entire neural net/nervous system is designed in loops. There is even micro-loops that specifically circles within the brain called the brain cores. Imagine the speeds of the action potential running across this circuit like the Large Hadron Collider cyclotron of an electron travelling just as fast, some action potentials crash into each other, like the atom smashers. Im confident that this cyclotron effect of our neural net produces quantum effects on the higgs field/boson that is the only thing known in the universe that reacts with dark matter. Why dark matter? Because I believe dark energy condenses into dark matter and have increased over time after inflation. Dark energy is evidence of the infinite creator/energy because it is sourced from extra-dimensional mediums, the infinite field where infinite energy exists, otherwise dark energy would have slowed, decreased or stopped by now but it has been found so far to only exponentially increase over time.

Now how does this play out as consciousness? Imagine the cyclotrons in axon-dendrite branch that loops within the brain core processing centres. Everytime this charged potential circles in a certain way, a specifically different distortion of dark matter occurs through some form of dynamo effect or electromagnetic field interference that generates a higgs potential and a thought/consciousness is formed for a quantized moment. This is followed by the nerve cell enzymes and receptors recognizing that quantized moment and performing what is called tagging that strengthens this particular loop and action potential pathway. How our brain works in actuality is that these pathways are always running the loops generating the distortions and producing a continued dark matter distortion field effect that produces thought and consciousness.

This is what I believe Ra meant when they defined thought-form. It is my assumption that in the extreme future, one might be able to use dark matter as a form of travel into inter-dimensional space. For now, the implications are universally shattering. Imagine that dark energy is presented in our dimension as "expanding space". Think of how much energy that needs, where is it coming from and that when this energy is diffused into dark matter, it becomes thought form in our dimension at least available to our physically imaginable senses.

Thought form is everywhere, dark matter is everywhere. It forms a filamentous web across the universe and is present more in dense galactic bodies. For it to be both an interdimensional reacting as well as an external dimensional matter makes even more sense, that thought is shared....throughout even the multiverses. But it is not the infinite energy in its purest form and it is also not simply a meta mind thing. It is highly stylized to how all neural networks work to produce the field distortions of dark matter and thus individualized. Thus consciousness is from within and without...


P.S:

But then you would then ask, how come no one found it yet at the LHC or elsewhere, cyclotrons are practically everywhere right? How do you measure thought made in such a way? Remember all our robotic and computer circuits so far are linear, and most oscillating ones that produce vibrations do mimic thoughts, but they are merely representations or 2D. It is not continuous thought...so I ask again, how do you measure thoughts made from distortions in the dark matter field. We can't...yet. Notice that I labelled them as distortions as well and Im pretty confident one day, it will be represented in physics in some form of this as well.