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    09-12-2011, 06:15 PM (This post was last modified: 09-12-2011, 06:16 PM by yossarian.)
    (09-12-2011, 03:45 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: I appear to recall, somewhere in the depths of my being, a type of existence where this does not occur. As such, confusion is confusing to me.

    ...

    But, might I add, in an environment such as this web forum which was created with the intention of seekers having the opportunity to share ideas and collaborate with one another- that is would be highly preferable for all to "assume good faith" with respect to other's posts, and to refrain from derailing threads when their personal issues get triggered. I count myself among those who would benefit from keeping this in the forefront of their mind.

    We could create this forum. It would require behavioural ground rules that are clear enough to be publicly agreed on from a 3d logical point of view. The rules would be stuff like refraining from personal comments unless personal comments are the topic of a particular thread, for instance.

    This would improve the quality of the forum when it comes to discussions of concepts and could avoid all the derailing into personal issues.

    But then it would be a different forum, and perhaps not as useful catalyst.

    It's arguable that those highly disturbing personal drama issues, while not being the most fun thing on Earth, are the most spiritually valuable and the best catalyst. Even though they get in the way of truth seeking.
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    09-12-2011, 08:27 PM
    TN, thank you for all your kind words, my brother. It warmed my heart! Heart

    You were creative in contemplating death in order to improve your relationships with the self and other selves. Although you stated that you are doing just fine, and don't consider such things as suicide, I wonder - are you longing to death/"ascension"?

    Sure I can share my personal opinion/belief: I believe in gradual Harvest, and I mean very, very slow. I believe that more and more of those, inhabiting dual bodies, will be incarnating, until there are only those entities alive, meaning that at that point everyone will be those new 4D+ entities, whose home this planet is. When there are no more 3D entities, who have not yet made up their mind regarding the choice, those 3/4+ entities will be giving birth to pure 4D+ bodies. This will happen in a distant (for you and me) future. Everyone who is dying now are subejcts to the Harvest. I had hard time to accept those "steps of light" that are stated in the material and that Carla talks about. Then, "by accident", I read a book called "Saved by the Light" which is probably written by one of those 4D+ entities incarnated in dual body, named Dannion Brinkley. In that book he writes about his near death experience. How he vibrated in certain frequency, but when he forgave some people reviewing his life, he started to vibrate at higher frequency and was on higher level as other higher entities; and there was also some light experiences when it becomes to glaring. Long story short, it sure sounded like those "light steps". It made more sense to me, but still, I've always pictured another scenario. And in that scenario it was an instant merging, or perhaps "ascending", into my true Self; instantly leaving the inner planes of the Earth, and there were no "steps of light" either. But hey, what do I know? Now I choose to believe that everything is going to be alright. I will be expecting this "ascension" (I really don't like that word), but if not - it's ok too. Back to the topic of Harvest, I don't think that anyone will notice something unusual, or remarkable such as a sudden veil removal, death etc. I think that it will be spread out over a very long time.

    Regarding bracketing - I think that since Q'uo channelings are made in conscious state of mind, sometimes people who are channeling this group skip few words, as you can see in that quote you provided.

    Thank you very much for the quote. Would you please remind me what session it was from? Thank you!

    Love and light! Tongue
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    09-12-2011, 09:47 PM (This post was last modified: 09-12-2011, 09:50 PM by AnthroHeart.)
    Ankh, have you heard when David Wilcock talked about project Looking Glass? It was a device that could see into the future. He gets his info from some insiders. Basically the device was like a reverse-engineered pineal gland.

    He says that after 2012, it all turns white. Is there something to this, that maybe in 2012, something happens perhaps in time/space where the future is no longer predictable like it was?

    I don't yet have a conclusion, though the energy is definitely increasing at what feels like an exponential pace. It's quite disorienting at times. Feels like I'm in a strong magnetic field that pulls and tugs at every part of me, especially around my face and jaw area. If it were something sudden (or perhaps over a few months) I wouldn't be surprised.
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    09-12-2011, 10:41 PM
    No, I have not, Wolf. I meant space/time when talking about the Harvest. If it will be sudden - cool! As I said, what do I know? Thinking in these lines I am just more prone to believe that everybody at this time being will live through their lives, and die of "high age". Nothing extraordinary will happen, and changes can only be seen over a long period of time. I might be, and perhaps even am, wrong =)
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    09-12-2011, 11:41 PM (This post was last modified: 09-13-2011, 12:15 AM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (09-12-2011, 08:27 PM)Ankh Wrote: You were creative in contemplating death in order to improve your relationships with the self and other selves. Although you stated that you are doing just fine, and don't consider such things as suicide, I wonder - are you longing to death/"ascension"?

    Well, actually I have for a while been of the mind that there is no such thing as "ascension" as the idea means taking this physical body with you into another density. However, 70.15 as posted above implies that this may actually be possible in special cases.

    Also, while we are on this quote... there is little mention of the Council of Nine, but for a few quotes. Incidentally, would you happen to know where to find more information on this? I did a Google search for Mark Probert and Henry Puharich and didn't notice anything independent from sites that are talking about the Law of One.

    One more thing, now that I think about it. When I was reviewing the some of the Cassiopaean channelings they made a comment I found intriguing. I might go back and pull the exact quote, but the gist of it was something like: there are really no "councils" or "hierarchies" but that these are control mechanisms that STS uses to trick STO into enslavement. I hope I am not misstating it... but I am pretty sure that was the general sentiment. Any thoughts on this?
    (09-12-2011, 09:47 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Ankh, have you heard when David Wilcock talked about project Looking Glass? It was a device that could see into the future. He gets his info from some insiders. Basically the device was like a reverse-engineered pineal gland.

    He says that after 2012, it all turns white. Is there something to this, that maybe in 2012, something happens perhaps in time/space where the future is no longer predictable like it was?

    I don't yet have a conclusion, though the energy is definitely increasing at what feels like an exponential pace. It's quite disorienting at times. Feels like I'm in a strong magnetic field that pulls and tugs at every part of me, especially around my face and jaw area. If it were something sudden (or perhaps over a few months) I wouldn't be surprised.

    Sorry to jump right on on your post to Ankh... but it is MY awakening thread!! Tongue

    Actually, I just wanted to pull forward this reply to you from More Positive But Less Harvestable.

    Perhaps it will be more productive to hash some of these things out here:


    07-11-2011, 11:51 AM (This post was last modified: 07-11-2011 01:57 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
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    RE: More Positive but Less Harvestable
    Quote: (07-11-2011 11:36 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: What did you mean by Curse of Ra? I didn't see any reference to Ra in that page. Though it did make interesting reading.

    Quote:David Wilcock Wrote:In other words, it seems to be a wrinkle in time, where you have to pass through this point where all the graphs would go flatline.

    They could never get that data, but that‘s what they wanted. They wanted to play it back through the chair without someone in it, and then go through it themselves. If they could get it to a point where it was systematic [and automatic, without the need for a human operator, they would be happy].

    A lot of these guys didn‘t want to go through the [vortex created by the] chair themselves. They didn‘t want to lose their lives. They were really, seriously wanting to know what was happening when people would hit this bump in 2012.

    That also ties in with Burisch‘s material, where it appears from his information that there is this surge of energy from the center of the galaxy and the Sun that bombards us with what he calls “micro-wormholes ” [some time around 2012].


    I am trying to say that Ra's actions are why the graph "goes flatline" when the remote viewers hit the end of 2012. Because of the abrogation of free will from the Ra contact, we are blind to the truth about 2012. Each must choose between the "original version" eventuated as the natural result of human evolution and the "apocalyptic version" created through the distortion of the Ra communication, through the unforeseen consequence of how it would be become twisted in Time in the minds of those not prepared to receive the Law of One. Moreover, I view the work of David Wilcock to be, in many ways, a continuation of the attempt to patch this Wrinkle In Time.

    So, the "Curse of Ra" is also the "hidden key" to history which provides for a continuity of misguided thinking, framed in false eschatology, from the end of the Egyptian Old Kingdom to modern day.

    Maybe in some way, Ra's intervention was a reflection of action taken in an even more distant time... the fabled Golden Age where the gods lived amongst men, and mated with them.

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    09-13-2011, 03:40 AM
    Great opening post, and a lengthy discussion already, I have to say : )

    Well.
    If I am a wanderer, then I did a hell of a bad job out of it so far.
    One thing I was always sure in this lifetime: the usual issues of my schoolmates, work colleagues and "peers" (not to mention: relatives) eluded me. I did not get why one has to be measured against others to be succesful. I did not get the testosteron-heavy fights and alpha-male seeking that continues even after school. I did not get the "existentiality". When I was living in the university dorm with two other people in a 3*2m room for years, I gave up (unconsciously!) on my "private life" and many people I know resented even visiting me, seeing how little space I have to live in. Well, as a "geek", it was okay for me, but looking back in retrospective, there might have been more to that.

    Now that I have been pondering with chakra opening meditation, I really feel like my life has become better now that I focus on the "existantial" side of me that really has been neglected (red/orange/yellow, and luckily green should be alright now : ).

    Does this translate into being a wanderer? My mind was always open to everything being one, connected. I had a deeper sense of supernatural since a child. I do not know what that means, but I am sure at least in that I am not like others, whose main problem is fame, money, sexuality and constant fighting in the places they learn/live/study. I am not immaculate, but these are not defining properties to me.

    Well, if this translate into simply being in an incarnation when I am facing different issues or being a wanderer is a question I cannot yet answer. All I know is that since encountering Ra material, all I can think about when doing creative stuff is "how can I slowly, steadily inject this knowledge into those that might be compatible with it, even if they themselves do not know it?".
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    09-13-2011, 08:00 AM
    (09-12-2011, 11:41 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Well, actually I have for a while been of the mind that there is no such thing as "ascension" as the idea means taking this physical body with you into another density. However, 70.15 as posted above implies that this may actually be possible in special cases.

    As I understand that quote, the "body" that Ra speak of, is not the heavy, chemical complex that we carry around in this space/time.

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:Also, while we are on this quote... there is little mention of the Council of Nine, but for a few quotes. Incidentally, would you happen to know where to find more information on this? I did a Google search for Mark Probert and Henry Puharich and didn't notice anything independent from sites that are talking about the Law of One.

    One more thing, now that I think about it. When I was reviewing the some of the Cassiopaean channelings they made a comment I found intriguing. I might go back and pull the exact quote, but the gist of it was something like: there are really no "councils" or "hierarchies" but that these are control mechanisms that STS uses to trick STO into enslavement. I hope I am not misstating it... but I am pretty sure that was the general sentiment. Any thoughts on this?

    No, my brother, I don't know. I have stopped searching, for the moment.

    My thoughts are that all these words like Creator, Council of Nine and similar, will have a completely different meaning once we are out of this illusion. It is hard to wrap the current mind around these concepts using words, as words themselves are limiting. Once you are "out of here", you'll see, you'll understand these concepts using the Law of One, or perhaps telephatic contact with unity, or one-ness. That is my belief.

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:Sorry to jump right on on your post to Ankh... but it is MY awakening thread!! Tongue

    By all means, my brother, please do jump in whenever you feel for it. Heart

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:I am trying to say that Ra's actions are why the graph "goes flatline" when the remote viewers hit the end of 2012. Because of the abrogation of free will from the Ra contact, we are blind to the truth about 2012. Each must choose between the "original version" eventuated as the natural result of human evolution and the "apocalyptic version" created through the distortion of the Ra communication, through the unforeseen consequence of how it would be become twisted in Time in the minds of those not prepared to receive the Law of One. Moreover, I view the work of David Wilcock to be, in many ways, a continuation of the attempt to patch this Wrinkle In Time.

    So, the "Curse of Ra" is also the "hidden key" to history which provides for a continuity of misguided thinking, framed in false eschatology, from the end of the Egyptian Old Kingdom to modern day.

    Maybe in some way, Ra's intervention was a reflection of action taken in an even more distant time... the fabled Golden Age where the gods lived amongst men, and mated with them.

    These thoughts that you express, and for that matter, everyone else's thoughts, like David Wilcock's etc, are based on "the reality as we know it" in this space/time. That reality or illusion, extends to the time/space which is hidden behind the veil for incarnated 3D beings. We create our own reality they say, and yes at some extent we all do that. That is why we are called co-Creators. Yet, in my opinion, as we who are incarnated in space/time are hidden, or live (means think), behind the veil, we are not seeing the "whole picture" so to speak, that is the time/space, among other things. May I specifically ask you what you mean by this:

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:the abrogation of free will from the Ra contact

    And this:

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:the "apocalyptic version" created through the distortion of the Ra communication
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    09-13-2011, 03:43 PM (This post was last modified: 09-13-2011, 08:16 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (09-12-2011, 08:27 PM)Ankh Wrote: You were creative in contemplating death in order to improve your relationships with the self and other selves. Although you stated that you are doing just fine, and don't consider such things as suicide, I wonder - are you longing to death/"ascension"?

    I simply long for peace and to exist in a peaceful sphere of influence. Not my own little "peace bubble". Real peace. Lasting peace.

    I've got it.... it is the huge "sigh of relief" one feels upon departing. That is the feeling I am looking for. If I can find that feeling within this environment, so much the better.
    (09-13-2011, 08:00 AM)Ankh Wrote: May I specifically ask you what you mean by this:

    Yes. Allow me to provide some seed thoughts for contemplation. Please be aware these ideas were- and are still- in the formative stages and are an attempt to intellectualize what I have been intuitively perceiving.

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:the abrogation of free will from the Ra contact

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:the "apocalyptic version" created through the distortion of the Ra communication


    Ra made contact with humans. Their teachings were distorted so as to be used to infringe upon the free will of humans, rather than to accentuate it and liberate them. I am sensing this has something to do with the concept of "harvest" as it was originally presented, and its being twisted into the historical eschatology of "Armageddon" as forwarded by those in contact with Yahweh, and passed down to us through the lineage of the Judaeo-Christian-Muslim (Abrahamic) belief system.

    This distortion is still -in this very moment- resulting in all manner of confusion as to the nature of this event. In particular is the notion that, since "Armageddon" is upon us, we must look to be "saved" by external figures such as Jesus/Maitreya/ETs etc.

    Another way that this creates an issue is because "2012" has become so identified with these catastrophic beliefs, that the average person does not look past that in order to investigate into the true meaning. As a corollary- I have suggested the possibility that a premature focus on "earth changes" in the latest contact by Ra has contributed to a continuation of this distorting influence.

    Free will has been abrogated because people are being offered a false choice. It is being framed in an EITHER/OR context... as has played out in this forum as the sudden/gradual conceptions of harvest. I humbly suggest that it is not EITHER/OR but somehow BOTH/AND. Moreover, I am hypothesizing that the ability to shift from EITHER/OR to BOTH/AND style of thinking.... IS EXACTLY THE SHIFT ITSELF.

    My apologies if this comment was confusing to you. I didn't mean to imply that Ra's contact infringed upon free will. I am insinuating that the conscious, and repeated, manipulation of Ra's message by Orion influences has resulted in an abrogation of free will by disallowing the populace to perceive that -other choices- are available to them.

    Please also refer to my post here in More Positive But Less Harvestable. Specifically the following excerpt:

    Quote:The main thing has to do with eschatology, which I will admit I didn't know the definition of until a few days ago. Basically, the term refers to beliefs about the end of the world.

    What I learned is that there are two distinct categories of eschatology.

    The first, called historical eschatology, is the kind you find in the Judaeo-Christian-Muslim school of thought. Which, I can't help but point out, is decidedly militaristic in its view. I'm down with the teachings of Jesus, but let's face it, Jehovah is a war god, pure and simple.

    This is classic Book of Daniel and Revelations-type stuff. In this view, time is conceived of as linear and the entire history of the world is leading up to some sort of cosmic climax, after which we all just live "happily ever after" or in "eternal damnation", according to however one is judged by God.

    A second, related idea is that of salvation. Again, most people who were raised in Western society take salvation to mean having something to do with a Savior or Hero who comes and rescues humanity from immanent doom. In some New Age circles, the Saviors are ETs come back to save us.

    With all due respect to my Jewish, Christian, and Muslim friends, this is NOT the mental framework which Ra is coming from. And I will admit, that much of my frustration in discussing this topic, and with the world in general, is this stubbornly dogged one-track mentality which insists on interpreting EVERYTHING in terms of Judaeo-Christian-Muslim belief systems.

    Does this suffice, or do you have further inquiries as to my meaning with these statements to which you referred?


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    I've always been curious why Ra couldn't talk about mummification "without infringement upon some basic energy balances between the positive and negative forces upon your planet."

    Quote:60.29 Questioner: Was there a purpose for mummification having to do with anything other than bodily burial?

    Ra: I am Ra. Much as we would like to speak to you of this distortion of our designs in constructing the pyramid, we can say very little for the intent was quite mixed and the uses, though many felt them to be positive, were of a nonpositive order of generation. We cannot speak upon this subject without infringement upon some basic energy balances between the positive and negative forces upon your planet. It may be said that those offering themselves felt they were offering themselves in service-to-others.
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    According to some info Dolores Cannon gained during a regression session, there was knowledge in ancient Egypt about how to resurrect mummies back to life. There fore the bodies had to be conserved, and not left to decomposition. From what I remember you can imagine it kind of like a walk-in. Some entity wanted a body, but not incarnate in the usual way, and therefore used a mummy.
    (of course that is not in line with Ra Smile )
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    I think it would just be another reanimated object. It would essentially be worthless for the entity to learn specific lessons here, so it would be left the grunt work of eating brains and walking very slow. lol.

    Now creating/cloning physical body complexes for incarnation is a different story IMO. The Annunaki did it and I'm starting to believe that the Annunaki certainly didn't create ALL of the humans we see on Earth. Other humanoid races had to have placed their genetic seed in one of the homo species.

    I always wonder what our bodies would've been like and even what our lives would've been like if mankind was allowed to evolve 100% naturally, and apparently until 400,000 years ago, we were evolving 100% naturally. I think our 3D bodies would look a little similar to what we are in now, but more facially apelike in appearance and much greater strength and more use of the brain. Neanderthals are speculated to have had an equal or higher cranial capacity than we do currently.
    (09-14-2011, 01:37 AM)Meerie Wrote: According to some info Dolores Cannon gained during a regression session, there was knowledge in ancient Egypt about how to resurrect mummies back to life. There fore the bodies had to be conserved, and not left to decomposition. From what I remember you can imagine it kind of like a walk-in. Some entity wanted a body, but not incarnate in the usual way, and therefore used a mummy.
    (of course that is not in line with Ra Smile )

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    09-14-2011, 03:01 AM
    (09-13-2011, 03:43 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: Ra made contact with humans. Their teachings were distorted so as to be used to infringe upon the free will of humans, rather than to accentuate it and liberate them.

    We don't know in details about how it has been back then (except for what Ra have told us: words got twisted. Humans got confused. Ra departed. Ikhnaton. He got killed. People went back to their beliefs. Something keeps Ra in this vibration since then. There were some distortions assigned to the Law of One, which they are trying to remove. Maybe something with the mummies, maybe more, maybe not.)...

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:I am sensing this has something to do with the concept of "harvest" as it was originally presented, and its being twisted into the historical eschatology of "Armageddon" as forwarded by those in contact with Yahweh, and passed down to us through the lineage of the Judaeo-Christian-Muslim (Abrahamic) belief system.

    ... but we do know something about now. We have the Ra material - recorded, transcribed, published as books, re-listened, and put on different websites. Question by question. Answer by answer. It is there for everyone to read. It cannot longer be distorted in the same way, in the form it is available right now. Everything that is not there, or which is unclear, are just guesses/interpretations. I am trying to separate other distortions here from what has actually been said during the Ra sessions.

    Tenet Nosce Wrote:This distortion is still -in this very moment- resulting in all manner of confusion as to the nature of this event. In particular is the notion that, since "Armageddon" is upon us, we must look to be "saved" by external figures such as Jesus/Maitreya/ETs etc.

    Another way that this creates an issue is because "2012" has become so identified with these catastrophic beliefs, that the average person does not look past that in order to investigate into the true meaning.

    Again, issues regarding Armageddon are coming from other sources than the latest Ra contact made in 1981, which is recorded and published word by word.

    (We had a group of 3D beings, calling for help. Confederation answered in a way it had been answering for billions of years, by landing and teaching by direct contact. These 3D beings made another choice, something that Confederation no longer could offer in terms of service to others, since that would be an abridgement of free will. Since there was a call, there were other guys who gladly answered that call.) There are no bad guys and good guys here. Just different vibrations/calls and answers, according to these vibrations/calls. Meaning that the activity that is in progress here is teach/learnings. No mistakes. And no one is to blame. Just usual 3D confusion... BigSmile

    Quote:As a corollary- I have suggested the possibility that a premature focus on "earth changes" in the latest contact by Ra has contributed to a continuation of this distorting influence.

    Would you please direct me to those sessions where "the premature focus on earth changes" are stated?

    Quote:Free will has been abrogated because people are being offered a false choice. It is being framed in an EITHER/OR context... as has played out in this forum as the sudden/gradual conceptions of harvest. I humbly suggest that it is not EITHER/OR but somehow BOTH/AND. Moreover, I am hypothesizing that the ability to shift from EITHER/OR to BOTH/AND style of thinking.... IS EXACTLY THE SHIFT ITSELF.

    There are lot of interpretations and attempts to decipher Ra's "unclarity" in certain topics so to speak. But we know that positive entities can not be clear regarding certain topics. Those who would like to answer these queries is our loyal opposition. I am not speaking about you, but discussing this in general (since you brought it up ;-))

    Quote:I am insinuating that the conscious, and repeated, manipulation of Ra's message by Orion influences has resulted in an abrogation of free will by disallowing the populace to perceive that -other choices- are available to them.

    It has to be balance. There is nothing more to do for the Confederation/Ra than to find an appropriate group, contact it and hope for the best. What people choose to do with that, is their choice, according to the laws of free will.

    Quote:Does this suffice, or do you have further inquiries as to my meaning with these statements to which you referred?

    I will just ask if there is anything that we can do to improve the contact or anything else that Tenet Nosce could state at this time that would aid us? BigSmile

    With lots of love and light, my brother!
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    09-14-2011, 10:05 AM
    how horrible to be a mummy, then again they don't have to use the bathroom.
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    09-14-2011, 11:38 AM
    Will we have to use the bathroom in 4D?
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    09-14-2011, 11:45 AM
    Quote:43.17 Questioner: Is it necessary to eat food in fourth density?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

    Considering 4D bodies are no longer chemical - I'm going to make a guess: no :¬)
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    09-14-2011, 11:55 AM
    (09-14-2011, 11:45 AM)Namaste Wrote: Considering 4D bodies are no longer chemical - I'm going to make a guess: no :¬)

    I'm not sure they're not chemical. They may just be different chemicals:

    Quote:43.16 Questioner: The physical vehicle that is used in fourth-density space/time is, I am assuming, quite similar to the one that is now used in third density. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. The chemical elements used are not the same. However, the appearance is similar.
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    09-14-2011, 12:01 PM
    Ah, thank you. It does leave the question open.
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    09-14-2011, 12:03 PM
    i'd love to not have to! Tongue what freedom.
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    09-14-2011, 12:10 PM
    Imagine the next followed Q/A's:

    Quote:43.17 Questioner: Then I am assuming that we would still need to poop in fourth density?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. We would like to add that the physical waste products which you call "poop", is in fourth density golden and smells like roses.

    *laugh*laugh*laugh* BigSmile
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    09-14-2011, 12:15 PM (This post was last modified: 09-14-2011, 12:17 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    (09-14-2011, 11:38 AM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: Will we have to use the bathroom in 4D?

    39.4 Wrote:Questioner: I noticed that most of the basic things seemed to be divided into units which total seven. In looking at a transcript by Henry Puharich of “The Nine” I found a statement by The Nine where they say, “If we get seven times the electrical equivalent of the human body then it would result in sevenon of the mass of electricity.” Could you explain this?

    Ra: I am Ra. To explain this is beyond the abilities of your language. We shall, however, make an attempt to address this concept.

    As you are aware, in the beginning of the creations set up by each Logos, there are created the complete potentials, both electrical, in the sense the one you call Larson intends, and metaphysical. This metaphysical electricity is as important in the understanding, shall we say, of this statement as is the concept of electricity.

    This concept, as you are aware, deals with potentiated energy. The electron has been said to have no mass but only a field. Others claim a mass of infinitesimal measure. Both are correct. The true mass of the potentiated energy is the strength of the field. This is also true metaphysically.

    However, in your present physical system of knowledge it is useful to take the mass number of the electron in order to do work that you may find solutions to other questions about the physical universe. In such a way, you may conveniently consider each density of being to have a greater and greater spiritual mass. The mass increases, shall we say, significantly but not greatly until the gateway density. In this density the summing up, the looking backwards—in short—all the useful functions of polarity have been used. Therefore, the metaphysical electrical nature of the individual grows greater and greater in spiritual mass.

    For an analog one may observe the work of the one known as Albert who posits the growing to infinity of mass as this mass approaches the speed of light. Thus the seventh-density being, the completed being, the Creator who knows Itself, accumulates mass and compacts into the One Creator once again.


    I just thought you would enjoy this quote... not sure what exactly it has to do with making poopie. BigSmile

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    hahahaha if only
    why do we have posting delays?
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    09-14-2011, 12:56 PM (This post was last modified: 09-14-2011, 09:48 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    [QUOTE NOTE POST]

    As I keep coming across interesting posts including information of which I may need to remind myself in the future, I will just copy and place some into this post, along with some notes.

    43.14 Wrote:Questioner: Then the big difference in harvestability between third and fourth density is that at the end of the third density the individual is harvested as a function of individual violet ray, but it is the violet-ray for the entire social memory complex that must be of a harvestable nature to graduate to the fifth density. Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct although in fifth density entities may choose to learn as a social memory complex or as mind/body/spirit complexes and may graduate to sixth density under these conditions, for the wisdom density is an extremely free density whereas the lessons of compassion leading to wisdom necessarily have to do with other-selves.

    It seems that graduation of 6D would involve the integration of those who graduated from 5D as a mind/body/spirit complex with those who graduated as a social memory complex. In this respect, the MBSC represents the Significator while the SMC represents the Potentiator. Also interesting of note is those MBSC who graduated 5D on the negative path, then suddenly switched in 6D. It would seem that there are two "flavors" of integration possible here. Actually, four flavors if an SMC can graduate on the negative path from 5D.

    So we have MBSC+/SMC+ , MBSC-/SMC+ , MBSC+/SMC- , MBSC-/SMC-. The +/- refers to the polarization upon graduation from 5D. [I see that "S.M.C" is automatically parsed as "Social Memory Complex". Perhaps the same function could be added for "MBSC" and "Mind/Body/Spirit Complex"]

    Also, this appears to have been entirely unanticipated by the Logos!

    47.2 Wrote:Questioner: The question that I was trying to ask at the end of the last session was: Of what value to evolution or experience with respect to the Creator knowing Itself are the positive and negative social memory complexes that form starting in fourth density, and why was this planned by the Logos?

    Ra: I am Ra. There are inherent incorrectness in your query. However, we may answer the main point of it.

    The incorrectness lies in the consideration that social memory complexes were planned by the Logos or sub-Logos. This is incorrect, as the unity of the Creator exists within the smallest portion of any material created by Love, much less in a self-aware being.

    However, the distortion of free will causes the social memory complex to appear as a possibility at a certain stage of evolution of mind. The purpose, or consideration which causes entities to form such complexes, of these social memory complexes, is a very simple extension of the basic distortion towards the Creator’s knowing of Itself, for when a group of mind/body/spirits becomes able to form a social memory complex, all experience of each entity is available to the whole of the complex. Thus the Creator knows more of Its creation in each entity partaking of this communion of entities.

    63.19 Wrote:Questioner: It would seem to me that some of the harvestable third-density entities are, however, relatively old since I know of some individuals who can bend metal who are over 50 years old and some others over 30. Would there be other entities who could bend metal for other reasons than having dual activated bodies?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Any entity who, by accident or by careful design, penetrates intelligent energy’s gateway may use the shaping powers of this energy.

    This includes wanderers.

    63.9 Wrote:Questioner: At present we have, in third-density incarnation on this plane, those third-density entities of the planet Earth who have been here for some number of incarnations who will graduate in the three-way split, either positive polarity remaining for fourth-density experience on this planet, the negative polarity harvestable going to another planet, and the rest unharvestable third-density going to another third-density planet. In addition to these entities I am assuming that we have here some entities already harvestable from other third-density planets who have come here and have incarnated in third-density form to make the transition with this planet into fourth-density, plus Wanderers.

    Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is correct except we may note a small point.

    The positively oriented harvested entities will remain in this planetary influence but not upon this plane.

    Eh? Why would the note a small point with such obscure terminology. What is the difference between this "planetary influence" and this "plane"?

    65.17 Wrote:Questioner: Then we deal with an entity that has not yet formed a social memory but is yet an entity just as one of us can be called a single entity. Can we continue this observation of the conglomerate entity through the galactic entity, or shall I say, planetary system type of entity? Let me try to phrase it this way. Could I look at a single sun in its planetary system as an entity and then look at a major galaxy with its billions of stars as an entity? Can I continue this extrapolation in this way?

    Ra: I am Ra. You can but not within the framework of third-density space/time.

    Let us attempt to speak upon this interesting subject. In your space/time you and your peoples are the parents of that which is in the womb. The Earth, as you call it, is ready to be born and the delivery is not going smoothly. When this entity has become born it will be instinct with the social memory complex of its parents which have become fourth-density positive. In this density there is a broader view.

    You may begin to see your relationship to the Logos or sun with which you are most intimately associated. This is not the relationship of parent to child but of Creator, that is Logos, to Creator that is the mind/body/spirit complex, as Logos. When this realization occurs you may then widen the field of “eyeshot,” if you will, infinitely recognizing parts of the Logos throughout the one infinite creation and feeling, with the roots of Mind informing the intuition, the parents aiding their planets in evolution in reaches vast and unknown in the creation, for this process occurs many, many times in the evolution of the creation as an whole.

    AHA! This is how the Ra/Akhenaten contact fell somewhat short. The distortion centers around this idea of the Father/Son relationship as expressed in the Abrahamic lineage.

    90.24 Wrote:Questioner: Were there any other circumstances, biases, consequences, or plans set up by the Logos other than those we have discussed for the evolution of Its parts through the densities?

    Ra: I am Ra. Yes.

    90.25 Questioner: What were these?

    Ra: I am Ra. One more; that is, the permeability of the densities so that there may be communication from density to density and from plane to plane or sub-density to sub-density.

    Interesting. I hadn't realized this was an innovation.


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    09-14-2011, 02:04 PM (This post was last modified: 09-21-2011, 01:26 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    TN'S PLAYGROUND

    (I've had enough of TN's ramblings and mumbo-jumbo. Please take me to "THE POINT" already!)


    UPDATE! We now have embedded multimedia, and a fascinating clip to boot. Grab some popcorn and scroll on in as things get curiouser and curiouser...




    (09-14-2011, 03:01 AM)Ankh Wrote: I am trying to separate other distortions here from what has actually been said during the Ra sessions.

    Precisely. I am grateful that we share this same intention.

    Ankh Wrote:Again, issues regarding Armageddon are coming from other sources than the latest Ra contact made in 1981, which is recorded and published word by word.

    Ra mentions "Armageddon" precisely once:

    24.3 Wrote:Questioner: Thank you. Then I assume that the Confederation stayed away from Earth for a period of time. What condition created the next contact that the Confederation made?

    Ra: I am Ra. In approximately 3,600 of your years in the past, as you measure time, there was an influx of those of the Orion group, as you call them. Due to the increasing negative influences upon thinking and acting distortions, they were able to begin working with those whose impression from olden times, as you may say, was that they were special and different.

    An entity of the Confederation, many, many thousands of your years in the past, the one you may call “Yahweh,” had, by genetic cloning, set up these particular biases among these peoples who had come gradually to dwell in the vicinity of Egypt, as well as in many, many other places, by dispersion after the down-sinking of the land mass Mu. Here the Orion group found fertile soil in which to plant the seeds of negativity, these seeds, as always, being those of the elite, the different, those who manipulate or enslave others.

    The one known as Yahweh felt a great responsibility to these entities. However, the Orion group had been able to impress upon the peoples the name Yahweh as the one responsible for this elitism. Yahweh then was able to take what you would call stock of its vibratory patterns and became, in effect, a more eloquently effective sound vibration complex.

    In this complex the old Yahweh, now unnamed, but meaning “He comes,” began to send positively oriented philosophy. This was approximately, in your past, of 3,300 years. Thus, the intense portion of what has become known as Armageddon was joined.

    However, this is not the first time that "Armageddon" appears in the transcripts. It first appears in 13 June 76, in a transcript where Don speaks with Hatonn about, not only Armageddon, but harvest, and mass landing:

    Quote:Don: How soon will the mass landing occur?

    We had hoped at one time to land in 1965. We had to give this plan up, due to the reluctance of many of your peoples to experience the possibility of our true mission. At this time, we are seeing the possibility of a landing next year. We are attempting to give this instrument the month. It begins with “A.” We cannot give a closer month to this instrument at this time. If she will relax we will attempt to condition her.

    (Pause)

    We will attempt a landing in August of 1977, as you know time.

    Questioner: How many craft?

    Approximately three million, although this is highly dependent on the success of our current mission. At present, many portions of your planet are not acceptable for landing. We are attempting at this time to widen our potential landings.

    Questioner: What is your mission and purpose in landing?

    I will have to use control. We have need of material within your atmosphere which enables us to store up, as it were, a power source. It is not in mineral form or any resource which your planet is lacking in abundance. We are unable to give this instrument the nature of the resource desired because she is not well-schooled in …

    Questioner: Is it a gas or a liquid or a solid?

    It is invisible.

    Questioner: Is it in the Earth, in the water or in the atmosphere around the Earth?

    It is atmospheric. We cannot say it is a gas. It is … this instrument would call it an element.

    Questioner: Will your landing be visible or invisible?

    It depends upon who you are. Those who are within our vibration will see us.

    Questioner: Approximately what percentage of the planet will be able to see you?

    We do not know. As you would say, we are working on it. There is a range of one third of your planet’s population, a great, great range, which we are working on at this time. Approximately one third of your planet’s peoples are at this time vibrating in such a way that they know who we are, whence we come and why we are here. They will, whether or not our mission succeeds, not only see us but go with the planet into the next vibration. We are deeply afraid that approximately one third of your planet’s peoples, no matter what we do, will be lost and will have to repeat this experience. We do not know what percentage of that other third we will be able to alert in time. It is a highly tempestuous bunch of people, as you would say. Many of them are simply on the verge, just the merest shock or profound experience away from the basic realization that it is time for them to become seekers.

    It is written that there will be those who go out into the harvest and it is highly, highly desirable at this time that there be as many harvesters as possible, for there are many that can be brought into the barn, as it were, at this time.

    Questioner: What will be the length of time in our years of the harvesting period?

    We do not have the ability to say, for it is completely dependent upon the consciousness of your peoples. That which is natural, as you may call it, is already highly advanced and nearly completed within the cycle-changing. The natural cycle will have been completed within two of your decades. The experience of your peoples has been very ragged, as you well know, and with the friction of those of your peoples who are resisting the vibration of change it may continue on for some time. Therefore, we can give you no answer.

    Questioner: Do you see a possible delay past the approximate date of next August, 1977? Could there be a delay for any reason?

    Oh, yes. We are at this time doubtful as to whether we will be able to complete our plan at this near date. We are simply working towards that with every thought of achieving it. But we would not be realistic if we did not say that there is every chance also that we will not be able to sway enough of your peoples by that date.

    M: Do you have an optional date if that one doesn’t work out?

    We have an infinite number of optional dates. We cannot land among your peoples if your peoples do not want us. We do have needs which your planet can help us with but we are also capable of supplying those needs in other ways. That which we need is available, though in far smaller quantities, in many different places. So we are never in a helpless position, or as you would call it, out of gas. We are always able to satisfy the present requirements of our dwelling-craft.

    (Side one of tape ends.)

    (While the tape was being changed, there was a question about Bigfoot.)

    (Carla channeling)

    … There is a contact but it is not our contact.

    Don: Whose contact is it?

    There has been much talk about “dark forces.” And yet there are dark forces. Contact with these creatures is of a somewhat, shall we say, sinister nature although it is to be remembered that, like all dark forces, these are not powerful in an ultimate sense.

    Questioner: Would this be interpreted classically as a portion of the Battle of Armageddon?

    Although we dislike that term, you may indeed think of darkness and light in a battle. We refrain from calling it the Battle of Armageddon due to the great fear which this term engenders, for it is a fearful story as it is written in your holy works.

    Yet the forces of light and the forces of darkness have battled long and hard for this planet and, indeed, you may think of a disease entering the body. Those defenders of the body come, surrounding and destroying those diseases. In such a way may you consider those apparitions which are of the darkness, for the forces of light are many times the strength of these. And the battle is never in doubt as to its ultimate end but only as to individual, shall we say, skirmishes.

    Questioner: What is the nature of the Bigfoot type of creature?

    We are having difficulty giving the concept to this instrument. We can give this instrument only the image of those things which are of light but have no substance. We do not call it astral because of the nature of these beings. They are of a more crystallized nature, whereas in the astral there is a partaking of a somewhat physical form of dense matter. Within this vibration from which these creatures emerge, the structure that makes up the body is of such a nature that it is far more light and in a way more fragile.

    Questioner: Can we expect an increase in the Bigfoot type of entity and possibly other entities of the same vibration or configuration in the future?

    Yes. That which produces these creatures is the expectation in thought form of various peoples. That which they consider to be a menacing or frightening aspect is what they will see, if the conditions are correct. Therefore, there will be other entities, depending upon the expectation that each person has.

    Questioner: Am I correct in assuming, then, the effects that are normally found when one is operating in, shall we say, astral conditions will be more manifest on this planet in what we now call the physical as the vibrational range changes? We will slowly transition?

    In general you are correct, but in fact this particular aspect of what you call the Battle of Armageddon does not partake of the normal astral abilities of each of your peoples, for within the abilities which are part of the normal transition to what you would call fourth density, each person would be able to control the thought forms that were desired by himself. Yet within these, as you call it, Bigfoot and other demonstration of thought form, these thought forms are involuntarily forced upon those who are witnessing it. This is due to the imbalance between the natural environment and the minds of your peoples, making it a potential battleground for the forces of darkness.

    Questioner: Where do the UFOs come from that are linked with the Bigfoot phenomenon?

    You are already correct in your assumptions. We are not able to give [to] this instrument, because she doubts what we have to say, due to the fact that she has heard it from you. Yet you are correct.

    Questioner: Is the instrument fatigued?

    (Laughter)

    I will leave this instrument, who is indeed fatigued. We are sorry for the amount of control we have had to use, yet we are very pleased to be able to answer your questions as best we can. I leave you in His love and His light. Never fear, my friends, for those who seek will never be left without the Comforter. Adonai vasu. I am Hatonn.
    We also see that "Armageddon" is mentioned in the introduction to Book V, specifically in Fragment 13:

    Quote:Fragment 13

    The following information refers to two of the most widely rumored events in Ufology in this country. The first refers to the supposed face-to-face meeting between extraterrestrials and then President Dwight D. Eisenhower and some senior military staff at Edwards Air Force Base in California in February, 1954. The second incident refers to the supposed crash of a UFO outside of Roswell, NM, in which the ufonauts on board supposedly died. It is further rumored that their bodies were stored in Hangar #18 at Wright Patterson Air Base in Ohio. Once again we encountered the temptation to pursue information that seemed on the surface to be extremely interesting but which in truth would yield little or no information which might aid in the evolution of mind, body, or spirit. And we would have lost the Ra contact because Ra’s “narrow band contact” was focused only on aiding our evolution and not on revealing the transient intricacies of how groups play games in this illusion.

    In 1962, when I joined with Donald to help make up the initial meditation group which grew into L/L Research, there were several rumors being bruited about. Supposedly, the government knew all about UFOs, had had contact There were alleged conspiracies that various sources warned the public about. To this day, there has continued a steady stream of such prophecies and doomsday warnings of all kinds. Only the dates of Armageddon have changed, usually predicting doom within the next two or three years.

    It is not that I do not think UFOs are communicating with our government. They might be. Certainly they are here; the landing trace cases alone prove that something that makes dents In the ground is visiting us, and the many witnesses and abductees create a comprehensive picture of human-alien contact that is undeniable. It is that I feel that the real treasure the UFO entities have brought us are those of the spirit, not those of this world Whatever the physical reality of UFOs and governmental doings, they remain part of the transient world picture: part of this heavy illusion. But the messages have a metaphysical content that 10,000 years would not make out of date or less meaningful. So I tend to respond to people’s questions about such highjinks as these with a redirection, back from phenomena to metaphysical truth.

    RA, Session #24, February 15, 1981, pg. 7-8

    QUESTIONER: One thing that has been bothering me that I was just reading about is not too important, but I would really be interested in knowing if Dwight Eisenhower met with either the Confederation or the Orion group in the 1 950s?

    RA: I am Ra. The one of which you speak met with thought-forms which are indistinguishable from third density. This was a test. We, the Confederation, wished to see what would occur if this extremely positively oriented and simple congenial person with no significant distortion towards power happened across peaceful information and the possibilities which might append therefrom. We discovered that this entity did not feel that those under his care could deal with the concepts of other beings and other philosophies. Thus an agreement reached then allowed him to go his way, ourselves to do likewise; and a very quiet campaign, as we have heard you call it, be continued alerting your peoples to our presence gradually. Events have overtaken this plan. Is there any short query before we close?

    QUESTIONER: Another question with that is: was there a crashed spaceship with small bodies now stored in our military installations?

    RA: I am Ra. We do not wish to infringe upon your future. Gave we you this information, we might be giving you more than you could appropriately deal with in the space/time nexus of your present somewhat muddled configuration of military and intelligence thought. Therefore, we shall withhold this information.

    Ra specifically refuses to address this question. And Q'uo even brings it up here:

    http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0211.aspx

    Q'uo Wrote:You could say indeed that 2007 was the year of shift and you could be right. You could have also been right in 1962 when this instrument first became aware of a channeled group that predicted Armageddon and the need to get to safe places, and every year since then.
    Carla even refers to "Armageddon" twice in 2008. Once during a channeling intensive when talking about negative contacts, and once during her speech at the Laughlin UFO Conference. She made some similar remarks at the 2002 conference: Again, if you read these full transcripts they all cover the same topics, challenging the entity in the name of Christ, negative greeting, etc:


    http://www.llresearch.org/homecomings/channeling_circles/cycle_1_channeling_intensive_1/2008_0210_02.aspx


    Quote:Carla: I’ve never channeled a negative entity. I’ve always been careful enough to avoid that. But as I understand it, the experience of channeling positive and negative entities is the same. They used to say that they come in on the same energy, when I’ve questioned before about how people get fooled. I’ve seen several really good sources through the years become tainted, and then become basically, as far as I’m concerned, discredited. They start out extremely positive and then because of people asking fear-based questions, they get more and more fear-based answers, and specific answers having to do with doom and gloom and Armageddon.

    http://www.llresearch.org/speeches/speec..._0228.aspx

    Quote:Carla: Third-density Earth does not have to have a man-made Armageddon or a natural cataclysm of planetary proportions, according to the Confederation. There will be a third-density wind-down, according to Ra, which will last some hundreds of years. We on third-density Earth will go right on doing our thing after 2012. However, new babies being born on Earth after 2012 will have the ability to run fourth-density energy as well as third-density energy. In fact, this is happening now, with the advent of the so-called Indigo Children.

    So, as you can see, these ideas were very firmly rooted in Don's mind, and indeed formed part of the reason why L/L made the decision to redact the Book V material. So much so that Q'uo even referred to it as little as four years ago.I have a feeling these are called "fragments" for a reason- that reason being because they are meant to be put back together. And it is still on Carla's mind as little as three years ago. So that tells me perhaps something isn't yet resolved about it.

    So let us review some connections here:

    Carla insists on challenging the contact in the name of Jesus Christ.
    Don insists on investigating into "earth changes" and disaster scenarios.

    Put them together and who do we get??

    Hatonn! Who likes to teach/learn about Jesus, and who also was possibly predicting Armageddon to various groups in the 50s and 60s. 1962 was the time that Jim and Don were brought together. Hatonn first attempted a mass landing in 1965. Then again in August 1977. They are still offering to mass land in order to give technologies to "heal the earth" this very day.

    Was Hatonn the group that predicted Armageddon in 1962? I am not sure. But if not Hatonn, then who??



    THE PREQUEL

    I was introduced to the Ra material through finding the works of seeker/entity David Wilcock through his site ascension2000.com. This occurred in 1994/1995, simultaneous with the rather unanticipated emergence of the Internet.

    Having previously embarked on a comparative study of religion, esoteric and occult philosophy, along with a concomitant pursuit of mathematics, physics and biology at a prestigious university, I was intensely intrigued by the scope and depths of these works connecting science, philosophy, and spirituality.

    This site has since been closed down, though the works are available here:

    http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/books-free-online

    As you can see, there are a trilogy of works:

    The Shift of the Ages
    The Science of Oneness
    The Divine Cosmos

    As you can next see, seeker/entity David Wilcock claimed the Law of One to be the philosophical lynchpin which drove him to deeply seek into the scientific basis of connectedness, or unity. At some point, David made contact with L/L Research, which provided the stimulus for his to write the following:

    Quote:The Law of One Study Guide
    Don Elkins, Ph.D., Carla Rueckert, Jim McCarty
    Quote: Study Guide compiled by Bob Childers, Ph.D. Web formatting, editing and additional compilation by David Wilcock
    Dedicated to Carla Rueckert whose joyful service allowed the words of Ra to speak to humanity, despite the nearly fatal tolls and hardships endured by the physical body complex. Ra's words, brought through in 1981, are arguably the ultimate source of accurate ET information to have emerged in modern history. This study guide gives a wonderful overview of the main philosophies, concepts and practices of the Law of One, predominantly through excerpts. Let's put it this way -- this is the ONLY work that has attempted to summarize Ra's worldview in one streamlined form. It is invaluable to all seekers of Truth, Wisdom and Compassion.

    David shares his own wanderer awakening story here:

    Quote:Wanderer Awakening: (online book)
    The Life Story of David Wilcock

    From the book:
    In the boundless depths of the Creation, I have found my home, a place to serve the One and come to a greater understanding of myself. From this watery planet at the far rim of the galaxy, I heard the cries of millions and millions of entities, living in fear and trepidation that they might never be free. I knew exactly what their cries meant, and could feel their pain as if it were my own. On their astral level, or what they might call "subconscious," they were quite well aware of the pressing crisis of their disconnection with their Source, the Light and Love of the One Infinite Creator. Yet on the conscious level, that of the waking Ego of their three-dimensional minds, they had forgotten. Indeed, there was so much for them to remember, so much that they were not seeing. At that moment, hearing those cries and feeling their pain, I vowed to take immediate action. Could I simply allow this to go on? To see these beings suffering, without them even knowing consciously what they were suffering from?

    Read the story where the two and a half hour musical came from!

    THE INCIDENT - PART I
    APRIL FOOLS


    Quote:On 01 April 03, a longtime friend and roommate succumbed to- what I perceive to be- a negative attack which resulted in a paranoid schizophrenic breakdown. The focus of this breakdown involved a delusion that I and a small group of friends were conspiring to have him committed to a mental institution. Also note that, over the years I had shared many ideas from the Ra material with my friend, including the concept of negative entity attacks. My friend- as far as I am aware- never took it upon himself to read the material.

    This breakdown persisted past three days time, at which I took steps to remove the entity/friend from my home. Concurrently with this event another person close in my life at the time had suddenly departed from this plane, and I had recently discontinued relations with a girlfriend. Although the relationship was not going anywhere, I had some few days prior been moved to make a sudden, and somewhat unexpected, break thus forfeiting what level of external support she could have offered.

    This is to say: there was a lot going on at once.

    I felt as if I was being overwhelmed upon all sides. Despite the insistence of the entity/friend that it was -I- who was spearheading this conspiracy- even going to ends as to suggest that I fabricated the death of the acquaintance- it appeared to me that this entity/friend was making a direct attack on me having carefully observed and calculating the precise moment when I might be at my weakest.

    This was exquisitely disturbing.

    Fearing for my own life and sanity, I contacted the family of the friend whose body I suspected was being hijacked by a negative entity- possibly of fifth density origin. However, this being a rather unusual concept- I did not voice these suspicions during the actual "Intervention" for additional fear of being called crazy myself. He finally removed himself from the situation, though I was left to take steps to officially evict him from my own home.
    To my friend who was involved in "THE INCIDENT":

    I am sorry for contributing to your suffering;
    Please forgive me for I knew not what I did;
    I love you as an immensely valuable part of creation.
    Thank you for offering me this opportunity for forgiveness.

    Being a student of the Law of One, I pondered deeply upon my knowledge of negative entities and wondered if such a 5D attack had just occurred. I pondered the below excerpt:

    Quote:Epilogue to Book V: (Jim McCarty) After we moved back to Louisville the mental/emotional dysfunction which Ra spoke of concerning Don occurred. Don was noted all his life for being very cool and extremely wise, emotionally unmoved by events which caused others to fall apart. His observations and advice always proved to be correct. Now, as this dysfunction worsened, Don saw himself intensely affected by even the smallest stimuli. His worrying deepened to depression and he sought healing counsel from every available source, yet nothing worked, and he resigned himself to a death which he saw quickly approaching.

    After seven months of this mental, emotional, and physical deterioration he became unable to sleep or to eat solid foods. By November he had lost one-third of his body weight and was experiencing intense pain. He refused further hospitalization which we saw as the last hope for his survival. The thought of having him put into the hospital against his will was abhorrent to us, but we decided to do it and to hope for a miracle, knowing of no other possible way to save Don’s life at that point.

    When the police came to serve the warrant a five and one-half hour standoff resulted. Don was convinced his death was imminent, and he did not want to die in a mental hospital. When tear gas was used to bring Don out of the house, he walked out of the back door and shot himself once through the brain. He died instantly.

    After his death Carla saw him three times in waking visions, and he assured us that all was well and that all had occurred appropriately—even if it made no sense at all to us.

    So we give praise and thanksgiving for Don’s life, for his death, and for our work together.

    THE INCIDENT - PART II
    "ALIEN LOVE BITE"


    Following these two deeply disturbing experiences, I pondered deeply upon the possibility that they were somehow connected.

    In my seeking, I also chose to contact David Wilcock for a personal reading. At the time he was publicly offering to channel Ra for a modest fee. I had two personal readings with Ra through seeker/entity David Wilcock. The first on 16 Oct 03 and the second on 06 Aug 04.

    In between these two readings, David Wilcock published a book in which he claimed to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce:

    Amazon.com Wrote:The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?: Interdimensional Communication and Global Transformation by Wynn Free and David Wilcock (Paperback - Mar 11, 2004)
    Buy new: $18.95 $12.63

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    Not too long after the second reading, I had another deeply troubling experience:


    THE INCIDENT - PART III
    THE PRE-SENT MOMENT
    or
    "ALIEN LOVE BITE" REVISITED



    Prologue:



    Still here? :-)

    This next part is more than a little bizarre. Not too long ago, I made a google search for "don elkins suicide" and turned up this page where the claim is made that seeker/entity actually did NOT live previously as Edgar Cayce, but as Rasputin: (NOTE: I am not aware at this nexus if the time span of these two lives overlapped)

    Quote:Rasputin

    David Wilcock believes he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, but the Akashic Records tell a very different story.

    We are told that Wilcock's own guides confirm his beliefs.

    Why must we believe that invisible entities without physical bodies possess higher knowledge and wisdom than us?

    Where is the logic or wisdom in that?

    Can we admit that our egos might distort psychic information?

    It is very easy to get psychic impressions and communicate with invisible entities. The error is taking anything on faith without THOROUGH investigation.

    At the end of the page, a quote is provided from a Wikipedia entry on Ra. Under this heading:

    Quote:Ra - Ra - Rasputin - The Demonic Channeled Messages of Ra(Channeled Non-Sense)

    However, this particular Wikipedia entry has since been deleted:

    May I draw special attention to the interaction between NuclearWarfare and Logos5557 below.


    WikiTalk Wrote:If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the deleting administrator using the information provided below.
    • 20:51, 27 August 2009 NuclearWarfare ([url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:NuclearWarfare]talk | contribs) deleted "Talk:Ra (channeled entity)" ‎ (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ra (channeled entity) (2nd nomination))
    • 14:08, 23 August 2009 Logos5557 (talk | contribs) moved Talk:Ra (channeled entity) to User talk:Logos5557/Ra (channeled entity) ‎ (the possible solution to save the article from an ongoing deletion discussion is to userfication)

    Also note, a short time later user Logos5557 was removed from Wikipedia:

    Quote:A page with this title has previously been deleted.
    If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the deleting administrator using the information provided below.
    • 21:54, 10 September 2009 Harej (talk | contribs) deleted "User talk:Logos5557/Ra (channeled entity)" ‎ (talk page of deleted user space page)

    Now let us go back to the past life reader's page in question. Here is the quote he offered, ostensibly from Wikipedia:


    Wikipedia (as posted on the website) Wrote:Ra is the name of an extraterrestrial group of supernatural entities purportedly contacted by Don Elkins, Carla L. Rueckert and James Allen McCarty, who formed the non-profit organisation L/L Research . In three years, beginning from 15 January 1981 till 15 March 1984 106 contact sessions were recorded. These sessions became the material of The Law of One books published through various different publishers.

    According to The Law of One, throughout the sessions, Carla Rueckert performed as deep trance medium (or channel), Don Elkins asked the questions and James McCarty meditated and flipped the recording tapes over as they finish each side. They applied specially constructed rituals and spells purported to be instructed by Ra, before each session.

    The purported communication depict an infinite universe where the core element is vibration. With the provision of "primal distortions" (Free will, Love, Light) logoi ("individualized portions of intelligent infinity", "creative principles of galaxies") create "guidelines", "potentials of experience", an octave-based structure (7 levels/bands) (which is composed of physical and incorporeal parts), and sub-logoi (stars). Sub-logoi further create (with further interpretation without removing or adding to guidelines) fertile "conditions" from which sub-sub-logoi (beings) emerge and undergo mental, physical and spiritual evolutions through reincarnation (each incarnation being intended to be a course in the Creator knowing Itself), and "journey" along the spectrum (octave-based structure) which may take billions of years.

    Ra entities identify themselves as a group from 6th band and describe their physical nature as being "made of light" in the channeled text. Their aim in communicating is to "service" humans, which they define as 3rd band beings, without infringing on free will.

    Don Elkins formed L/L Research with Carla Rueckert in 1970. In 1974, Carla Rueckert began chanelling and L/L Research published the resulting material. James McCarty joined the group in 1980, after beginning to attend their group meditations in 1978.

    In 15 January 1981, during one of the channeling sessions, Rueckert went into a deep trance state and "contact" with Ra entities began. Elkins, Rueckert and McCarty continued to hold sessions in order to contact with these entities until the suicide of Elkins in 7 November 1984 (he died of a gunshot wound to his head). Those sessions were published in a series of five books, collectively titled The Law of One (by a humble messenger Ra).

    Preceding sessions, Elkins, Rueckert and McCarty did things like singing, meditating etc. that would trigger positive feelings, harmony and make them align with the aim of the study. Then they performed their ritual of protection and cleansing of the room in which the contact would be made, and situated Rueckert in a prone position on the bed with the head pointed 20 degrees north-by-northeast (the north mentioned here is probably the magnetic north which compasses point), covering her body with a white blanket, her eyes with a white cloth, and hooked up the three tape recorder microphones just below her chin not to miss any of the session if one or two tape recorders would malfunction. As Rueckert mentally recited the Prayer of St. Francis, Elkins aligned the table which held the Bible ("the book most closely aligned with the instrument’s mental distortions, which are allied most closely with the Law of One"), candle, incense, and chalice of water in a straight line with her head, as recommended by Ra. After lighting the candle and incense, Elkins and McCarthy walked the Circle of One around Rueckert and repeated the words that started each contact. In second half of three years span they began to perform Banishing Ritual of the Lesser Pentagram additionally.

    According to the text, during sessions, Rueckert departed her "physical body" (remaining connected via silver cord) and a member of Ra used it remotely as an instrument to communicate. The channelling sessions took a question and answer style. The questions asked were on a wide range of subjects and events such as; "great monuments of antiquity", present and earlier civilizations of mankind, Maldek, Mars, Mu, Atlantis, bigfoot, karma, other beings and civilizations in the universe, the nature of evolution, energy centers of the body, kundalini, "sexual energy transfers", the physics of Dewey B. Larson, Nikola Tesla, influential figures in human history, ritual magic, white magic, the nature and function of the higher self, healing, reincarnation, meditation, psychic prophecy, "psychic attacks/greetings", thought-forms, cattle mutilations, "archetypical mind", Tarot, the "veil of forgetting", Eisenhower's meeting with extraterrestrials in 1954, UFO/government conspiracies, anger, balancing, Aleister Crowley, the Tunguska event, pre-incarnative choices, the ball lightning phenomenon.

    Not all questions were answered by Ra, in order not to infringe upon free will (of contactees or audience in general). Some information that is falsifiable or verifiable in nature were kept (such as the present location of the ark of the covenant, the records purportedly hidden inside the sphinx etc.).

    According the transcripts of the channeling sessions (published as the Law of One books), Ra underwent a human-like evolution on the planet Venus 2.6 billion years ago. Their "third-density" (human-like) experience on Venus is stated as had been dealt far more deeply and harmoniously with relationships with "other-selves", "sexual energy transfer" work, and philosophical or metaphysical research. They had not developed "the interrelationships of barter or money system and power". Tarot was devised and used as a training aid in the study of archetypical mind by them as the product of many generations of work. After their "graduation" from "third-density" they continued to evolve through again "space/time" (incarnate) - "time/space" (disincarnate) cycles.

    "The question does not demand a long answer, for we who experienced the vibratory densities upon that planetary sphere which you call Venus were fortunate in being able to move in harmony with the planetary vibrations with an harmonious graduation to second, to third, and to fourth, and a greatly accelerated fourth-density experience. We spent much space/time, if you will, in fifth-density balancing the intense compassion we had gained in fourth-density. The graduation again was harmonious and our social memory complex which had become most firmly cemented in fourth-density remained of a very strong and helpful nature. Our sixth-density work was also accelerated because of the harmony of our social memory complex so that we were able to set out as members of the Confederation to even more swiftly approach graduation to seventh-density. Our harmony, however, has been a grievous source of naiveté as regards working with your planet."

    Ra identify themselves as "positively oriented sixth-density" beings existing as a "social memory complex". According to Ra, they "joyfully seek" the balances between compassion and wisdom to come closer to the unity with the One Creator (intelligent infinity). They are not able to describe the densities higher than the "third-density", extensively in the channeled text, due to the limitations of the language. They state "much is lost in transmission of concept from density to density". One of the statements they make on their nature is; "rather than surrounding ourselves in light we have become light, our understanding is that there is no other material except light".

    In reply to the relevant questions Ra explains a kind of "call" as the reason for channeling, and speak about similar experiences they had gone through. The civilization that helped Ra using the pyramid shape while Ra were in "third-density", had begun their "travel back to the Creator" and are no longer experiencing time. As a result of their orientation and choices Ra entities moved where they were "called to service" throughout their "sixth-density" history; including Alpha Centauri, planets of the Solar System, Cepheus and Zeta Reticuli. With the consent of a council located in Saturn they made several contacts (both short and long) with earthlings in the past. They built the Egyptian pyramids as instruments for healing and initiation.

    Ra recommend one to question the polarity of such channelings and contacts. According to the text, if "contactees" are oriented toward "service to others", "negatively oriented" entities, which they might contact without intention, imitate "positive" philosophy, try to trick and enslave, and give false information and messages of doom. Ra add that it is entirely possible for the untuned channel to receive both positive and negative communications. Bases of those from elsewhere, both positive (Confederation) and negative, where equipment for automated communication with earthlings "requesting the same basic information in enormous repetition" are placed, are also mentioned as located in some "honey-comb" like areas of the sphere.

    According to the channeled text, "service to self" polarity emerged due to the free will extension choice made by late sub-logoi (stars). Early sub-logoi, close to the centers of galaxies (Logoi), chose "lack of free will foundations" and did not extend free will to sub-sub-logoi (beings) simply because they had not conceived of it. So that the only possible polarity for beings was "service to others" as chosen by sub-logoi. However, since "entities were overwhelmingly aware of the Creator in their selves and divinely happy, and the security was total", "no love was terribly important; no pain terribly frightening; no effort, therefore, was made to serve for love or to benefit from fear". "Third and fourth density cycles were extremely long, entities repeated third density cycles many times over" and "lacked what was considered the crucial ingredient; polarization". "As the evolution progressed outward from the center of the galaxy, the efficiency of free will in intensifying the experience of the Creator by the Creator was discovered". The first tool "devised" by late sub-logoi to extend free will was "placing" (through "experimenting" and "refining" by "evolution") a semipermeable "veil" between conscious ("Matrix of the mind": The Magician) and unconscious ("Potentiator of the mind": The High Priestess) minds of sub-sub-logoi. The number of archetypes increased from 9 ("with many shadows") to 21+1.

    Ra emphasize that their knowledge is limited to the current "octave of densities", with portions of "seventh-density" remaining mysterious although it has been described to them by their teachers. They assume an infinite number of octaves, an infinite cyclical progression, and a "mystery-clad unity of creation" in which all consciousness periodically coalesces and again begins.

    According to the fragments omitted from first four books, in the first session, Ra tried to communicate through other people, who claimed Ra was communicating through them. David Wilcock, who believes he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, is the only known purported medium claiming to have channeled Ra entities. Contrary to Rueckert, he claims he does not need to go into any trance for channelling Ra.

    Coming upon the material above quoted was quite shocking, and I took immediate measures to deeply investigate this individual's claims with respect to David Wilcock, L/L Research, and the Akashic Records.

    Firstly, I viewed two documentaries on Netflix on the entity Rasputin. I observed that the entity Rasputin activated many similar archetypes as the entity David Wilcock. I would recommend the seeker to watch these documentaries with a special eye on how a "6D negative" entity might operate in this reality.

    Secondly, I more deeply investigated with renewed vigor evidence that I had uncovered regarding a past life that I may have lived. This uncovered even more evidence to the point where it was beyond denial, in my opinion at the time. Curiously- this individual lived during the same time period as Rasputin- and in close enough circles that it is possible they had been somewhat acquainted.

    Armed with this light and seeking with love for the truth of the matter, I contacted this individual by email and requested that he perform an introductory reading on myself- with specific focus on the late 19th century. He asked for some pictures of myself and my family. I offered some of my own pictures, but declined to offer any of my family members. He said this might reduce the accuracy with which he would be able to read the Akashic records. I agreed to moving forward with the introductory reading with understanding as to the caveat.

    This individual provided a single photo of an entity within the English nobility of the time, with no additional information. Performing a reverse image search yielded the entity in question. Though this entity appears to have shared some similarities with myself, and was indeed connected to the entity I perceived to be my own past life, it was an incorrect identification.

    Based upon my careful assessment, I was unable to draw any sound conclusions about the abilities or sincerity of this individual. Thusly, while intensely curious, this analysis at present is relegated to the sinkhole of indifference.

    I did come across this video on YouTube. I did not previously know that this individual had previously posted a public video about Barack Obama being the reincarnation of Akhenaten?! What? This is getting too bizarre. Seekers: please go back and review my comments about Akhenaten, and specifically review the confusion that ensued around this point previously in the thread. Now please watch this video.





    [tape gets flipped]
    I also noticed specifically this from the deleted Wikipedia entry:
    Quote:Don Elkins asked the questions and James McCarty meditated and flipped the recording tapes over as they finish each side.
    Looking back, it appears that this sentence is what originally clued me in to noticing the [tape gets flipped] entry in session one on www.lawofone.info. This has since been corrected to [background noise].

    After reading this web page claiming Ra to be a demonic entity is when I went back to re-read the transcripts from the beginning. As I previously documented, my mind paused when I reached that part.

    Firstly, because it actually wasn't in the original PDF, but appeared on www.lawofone.info by an innocent error. Secondly, I thought it strange that the tape needed to be flipped so early in the session. Thirdly, this is when I went and read the surrounding material very deeply and noticed the phenomenon documented toward the bottom of this post with respect to "earth changes" and "harvest".

    Thread: More Positive but Less Harvestable
    Post: RE: More Positive but Less Harvestable
    Here it is right here in Session One. I went back to look and it was staring me right in the face. QuoteBigSmileoes this form a sufficient amount of information, or could we speak further? Is there anothe...
    Tenet Nosce Strictly Law of One 192 5,049 07-11-2011, 11:36 PM

    Six days later is when I contacted the individual for the introductory past life reading.

    So the question on my mind has been- why did Don have "earth changes" on his mind? Turns out, these were on his mind quite often. Hatonn even teases about this previously when Don is not around. Notice this is almost six months before the Ra contact.

    http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._1130.aspx

    Hatonn Wrote:Very well then, we do not like to deal with this type of information because it is so boring, but we have been asked to deal with the earthquake situation. The one known as Don wishes to know about earthquakes.

    Unfortunately, he is not here but if he were, we would say to him that he already knows about earthquakes and has been talking about earthquakes for the last two decades of your time, as you count time. He may have noticed that there have been earthquakes. These are the earthquakes which he has been talking about. He is probably wondering whether there really are going to be more earthquakes. Has he not talked about more earthquakes? Yes, my brother there will be more earthquakes. The scenario is being played out due to the fact that although there has been great improvement in large segments of your population, although love and light has increased to what we would call a great extent in the light centers which we have started and among self-aware people all over your planet, it has not been enough to generate the positive love energy necessary to totally remove the necessity for the expression of disharmony which the Earth must now manifest, and so it will occur.

    We are happy to say and this the entity also realizes, although he has not spoken of it to this instrument, that these occurrences will be less harmful than they would have been had the scenario not subtly changed due to the love that has been generated by people such as yourselves.

    (Note: In the original printed transcript of November 30, 1980 that was converted to a text file a total of three more pages were attached. However, these same pages appear at the end of the December 7, 1980 transcript and are in context in that transcript to previous questioning about prayer. It is surmised that the last three pages in the November 30 transcript do not belong to that session and that some final pages are missing from it.)




    Now as we know, David Wilcock had previous contact with L/L Research. He actually slept in the "Ra bed" and perceived that he and his girlfriend at the time had been later attacked by a 5D entity. This story was later related in 2006, as I also found in a google search for "don elkins suicide". PLEASE NOTE: I was not an active member of the ascension2000.com website during the time referred to in this post. It appears that he made a public announcement about a perceived attack from a 5D entity, which drew some extreme negative attention, including (ostensibly) a death threat:

    Quote:11-18-2006 12:52 AM #1 David Wilcock Guest
    DW Thanks You...
    Dear Group,

    It's too early to tell, but I've now had at least four members privately confirm that they've sent Michael letters on my behalf...

    The whole thing is so surreal that a part of me just has to laugh. In case some of you thought I was over the top by the things I wrote the other day - you have to be prepared for ANYONE to disappoint you, no matter who they are or how "spiritual" they claim to be... do I look so irrational now?

    On the way to the Disclosure Project event on May 10, 2001 - the secret one that was NOT publicly released and went into a lot more detail, particularly with Sgt. Clifford Stone - the brakes on my car spontaneously died in rush-hour DC traffic. I made it by using the transmission to slow or stop. A week later my girlfriend at the time was influenced to step out in front of a 35-mile-an-hour car and almost died, requiring a year's rehabilitation to get a normal life back. Six months later I had an accident with a drinking glass in my hand that lacerated me under the pinky, severing a nerve and leaving me with only partial sensation to this day after reconnection surgery.

    Any researcher trying to draw comparisons between my life and those of the Law of One team, be advised... I was the first person to live in Don Elkins' room after he committed suicide, nearly 20 years later. I pick up ALL the energies off of the areas I sleep in whether I want to or not. I slept on the "Ra Bed" that the original Law of One readings were done off of for the first month I was there. All the frozen suicide thoughtforms in Don's room greeted me very strongly - the second or third night I slept in there I had a terrifying dream where gov. spooks shot my head off and I was in my astral body, trying to move my arms to feel if I still had a head. I didn't even take Don's original decorations off the wall and repaint to claim the room as my own until a month into the process.

    In previous iterations of this asc2k group, a member who has since left tried to assert that whatever has happened in my life is not even in the same category as the "negative greeting" experienced by the Law of One team - as if they had some mythological 5D thing happening that has never been my problem. I beg to differ. Short of someone actually dying, everything that was written about has happened. Ra said flat-out that the ultimate goal of the negatives for Carla would be to get her to step out into traffic and be hit - and a week after Disclosure Project, my companion at the time DID step out into traffic and WAS hit. She came VERY close to death in the aftermath and it was gripping for the first 4 weeks. I soon ended up with a very violent injury of my own, leaving me with a cast on my arm for months.

    Considering what I've lived through, considering the stakes that there are, (none of which were put in the Reincarnation book because it was too depressing, frankly,) I want to again use this opportunity to point out how all it takes is a SLIGHT weakness in someone's mind - the seed of separation- to create a negative greeting.



    Ankh Wrote:Would you please direct me to those sessions where "the premature focus on earth changes" are stated?

    Thank you for this query. Yes. The session under scrutiny would be Session One of the Law of One (15 Jan 1981). Specifically:

    1.6 Wrote:Questioner: (The question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.)

    Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that the universe is infinite. This has yet to be proven or disproven, but we can assure you that there is no end to your selves, your understanding, what you would call your journey of seeking, or your perceptions of the creation.

    That which is infinite cannot be many, for many-ness is a finite concept. To have infinity you must identify or define that infinity as unity; otherwise, the term does not have any referent or meaning. In an Infinite Creator there is only unity. You have seen simple examples of unity. You have seen the prism which shows all colors stemming from the sunlight. This is a simplistic example of unity.

    In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

    May we enunciate this law in more detail?

    1.7 Wrote:Questioner: No.

    Ra: I am Ra. Is there another query at this time?

    1.8 Wrote:Questioner: Can you comment on the coming planetary changes in our physical reality?

    [Background noise.]


    Ra: I am Ra. I preferred to wait till this instrument had again reached the proper state of depth of singleness or one-pointedness before we spoke.

    The changes are very, very trivial. We do not concern ourselves with the conditions which bring about harvest.


    The Harvest

    So what is harvest, anyway? And how does it relate to life in fourth density? Somewhat ironically, the best answer I have found so far was not in the Ra material. Here is some relevant information on harvest from Latwi following Session 83:

    [quote]S1: As always, I have a question. What would our life probably be like in the fourth density?

    I am Latwii, and, as always, I have an answer. My friend, we assume that your question deals with the everyday details of your fourth-density existence, and not with the physical structures or bodies involved therein, and, my friend, we would very candidly answer you by saying, my friend, your life will be what you make of it. There is no defined society, no cities, no interstates awaiting your arrival. However, as you may have surmised, there will be a great quantity of love and light within the larder so that you will not feel completely abandoned.

    May we answer you further, my friend?

    S1: Yes, from what I’ve learned in the past, we will probably leave the Earth to go to another destination. Is this correct?

    I am Latwii, and I would answer your question by replying that this is correct for certain entities who have not fully polarized, and for others who will fully polarize by the time of harvest but will polarize in such a fashion that their service-to-self orientation will require their removal from this planet. The remaining entities will initiate their fourth-density experience upon this planet, although it will be substantially altered by that time.

    May we answer you further?

    S1: Well, I’m curious. I will probably still have my physical body at that time. What will happen to the physical carrier, and will I have a physical carrier during and after the change?

    I am Latwii. My brother, we are going to answer your question with reticence, for it is not our intention to violate your free will by revealing to you details about your personal future. We will therefore speak in general, and caution those present against making broad assumptions about their personal future based upon generalized statements.

    There is what may be referred to as a fourth-density body which will be for those in fourth density a carriage or physical vehicle, but for those in third density this same carriage or vehicle would be invisible and completely indistinguishable. Those entities who are alive and functioning, you might say, in fourth density will be doing so solely in this type of body. There will be a transition period in which certain entities who currently are in existence in a third-density vehicle will be in the process of a transformation, for they are also at this time simultaneously in possession of a fourth-density vehicle of which they are unaware, and a process will be experienced by which the butterfly will shed its cocoon and leave it behind. It remains to be seen by yourself, however, as to your own personal future.

    May we answer you further?

    S1: You may not be able to tell me this because of it being a violation of my free will. Am I on the right path to being able to graduate to the fourth density?

    I am Latwii. My friend, there is no wrong path for attainment to fourth density or any other density for all paths lead in one direction. The object of your concern, however, might be the sufficient polarization of a chosen polarity and the maintaining of that condition so as to be sufficiently polarized to attain harvest on the particular occasion as opposed to several harvests down the road.

    May we answer you further?

    S1: Will I be harvested at the next harvest or do you think it will be further on?

    (Side one of tape ends.)
    (Jim channeling)

    I am Latwii, and apologize for the delay and lack of coordination of the instrument. Our intention was not to keep you in suspense, my brother, until the next episode. As you surmised, my friend, that is a question we may not respond to in any fashion that would imply to you or identify any level of accomplishment that you have attained or failed to attain, for to do so could drastically affect your polarization and efforts thereto.

    May we answer you further?

    S1: I may have asked you this in the past. Besides meditating more often, is there anything else I can do toward polarizing more positively than I already am so that I can attempt to make harvest?

    I am Latwii. My brother, if we may paraphrase one who has previously spoken on your planet, we would suggest that you love all that is of the Creator and love your brothers as yourself. Beyond this there is very little else that can be accomplished that will affect your polarity in the direction in which you currently strive.
    May we answer you further?

    S1: Well, if I could just make a comment. I hope that I will be able to reach polarization. I may not understand things too well, but I feel that having these lifetimes in the physical carrier is a waste of time in a way because when you’re born you forget all you’ve accomplished in a previous life on a conscious level. Like right now I wish I could finish my third density so that I would not have to go through another lifetime and possible mess everything up. Do you understand my frustration here?

    I am Latwii, and we are aware of your question. My brother, we are aware of your feelings and we counsel you in this fashion. There are no mistakes within the will of the Creator. If it is your quest to attain the level of polarity necessary to successfully be harvested as a fourth-density positively-polarized entity, as our brother Hatonn pointed out, your sustained seeking will attain fruition. The efforts and accomplishments of those who are unable to sustain a seeking will result in a confused response to a confused seeking. We would not suggest for those present that either is the case, for only in each entity’s heart is [there] an awareness of their performance and their level of desire, for we would suggest that there are no mistakes within creation, and each will attain at the harvest that end toward which his striving has led him.
    May we answer you further?

    S1: It takes a moment for all of this to sink in. I’m trying to realize all of what you’ve said. Maybe it’s that I’m very happy with my present situation. I’ve been going through a lot of questioning in my environment right now trying to decide what my future will be in my interactions in my daily life. That was just an observation I made. I feel that my major striving should be to help myself and others in their spiritual pat

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    09-14-2011, 02:15 PM (This post was last modified: 09-14-2011, 02:15 PM by Ankh.)
    *bursting out in laughs*

    Best Wanderer thread EVER, Tenet!!! BigSmile
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    09-14-2011, 02:17 PM (This post was last modified: 09-14-2011, 02:19 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    ROFL! Thanks for the laugh! BigSmile :idea: :exclamation:

    But in one/all sincerity, all/one are free to enter under the advisement that all/one are subject to change.

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    you should add "enter at your own risk! minors are allowed in only accompanied by their parents, and all should wear a helmet, for security reasons".
    you never know what could "hit you" at such a construction site Wink .
    Tenet, seriously I admire your stamina and your perseverance. You are VERY detail-oriented. But as they say, the devil's in the detail. Sometimes the bigger picture can get lost, by focusing too much on details.
    Just saying. Smile
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    09-14-2011, 02:22 PM (This post was last modified: 09-14-2011, 11:53 PM by Tenet Nosce.)
    ... AND NOW FOR YOUR 2:22 SPORTS NEWS UPDATE

    (P.S. I hate sports)



    The Detroit Tigers are currently attempting to extend an 11 game winning streak, the longest since 1934.

    http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/20...treak.html
    Quote:• These long winning streaks that date back to the halcyon Tigers days of 1968 and 1941 are so much fun for the local fans that it's easy to overlook who this may negatively impact.
    From Wikipedia:

    Quote:Best Seasons in Detroit Tigers History Rank Year Wins Losses Win % Finish
    1 1934 101 53 .656 Lost 1934 World Series to Cardinals
    2 1915 100 54 .649 2nd in AL behind Red Sox
    3 1909 98 54 .645 Lost 1909 World Series to Pirates
    4 1984 104 58 .642 Won 1984 World Series over Padres
    5 1968 103 59 .636 Won 1968 World Series over Cardinals


    As Tigers fans may recall, the last time those crazy cats won a World Series was in 1984:
    Quote:The 1984 World Series began on October 9 and ended on October 14, 1984. The American League champion Detroit Tigers played against the National League champion San Diego Padres, with the Tigers winning the series four games to one.



    [Image: icon_pdf_index.gif]October 14, 1984, Sunday Meditation

    Quote:Hatonn: Poor indeed is the man who has never asked a question, for riches do not lie in the answers but in the questions themselves. Therefore, we ask you this evening to examine what questions you have concerned yourselves about during this diurnal period. We do not care what conclusions you may have drawn, but wish to focus only upon that which has been in the forefront of the mind this day.



    Secrets of the UFO - Excerpt:

    Quote:The reports have continued to come in through the intervening years, and speak on many technical subjects, such as physics and biology. The “Ummo” words which are used in these reports, when collected together and considered, form a self-consistent language structure. They say that they are from a planet which revolves around a star which they have tentatively identified as being our “Wolf 424,” and that they were first attracted to our solar system by a radio signal which was sent from Earth in 1934. They gave the frequency of the signal (413.44 megacycles). Between the ages of 14 and 16 the vocal chords of the children become sclerosed and for this reason most of the adult inhabitants of Ummo are unable to talk and must use telepathy.

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    RE: i like the grizzlies in the game today
    nowitzki needs some help. they missed too many open shots last night . u cant do that at this level and expect to win. if he doesnt get the help the series is over imo. lets hope [Image: heart.gif] u are loved and u are not alone [Image: heart.gif]


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    Sirius Wrote:04-20-2009, 07:54 PM

    Is this David Wilcock guy relieable from a L/L Research point of view? i.e
    Can he really channel Ra?
    Could he confused Spirits for UFOs? rather than vice versa on my part?
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    ExperiencedGhost Wrote:Hey, nice responses ! But I do write english in here (some faults... but who cares) so why should I write in dutch to D.W. and to the projectcamelot ? He could have said "hey thanks !"
    Reading your comments I noticed I wrote "ascended" instead of "descended"... funny !
    - I do think that a soul can inhabit any body for his developement.
    - About the bloodlines... each president (I think not 2) are related to european royalties. And they can be traced back to Rome-> Egypte->Sumeria. With this I meant the Annunaki who were the "gods" that engeneered our DNA, Enki was the name of that Annunaki. I do forgot the details about that because I do not find that important. An deceased familymember long before my birth has investigated and found our familybloodline, what I want to say is that she traced it back to a belgian king albert 1 (born 1875, died 1934). Ons of his famous escapades ! So that would make me family of royalty isn't ? And between then and now some other thousand (?) people or more. But me reptillian too ? No way ! And I could tell you something very horrible about how cold blooded they are ! (not liturally) Right from the Belgian side !
    Those royalties believes they have the inherited right to rule over the earth and that they are superior to the common folks. That's why those royalties are breeding amongs each other so the special bloodline would not fade away by mixed blood.

    About D.W. and his eyes : just a noticible glimp of it at 05:42 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...869233020# You can liturally see his eyes changing to a normal state. Or you denie ir or you don't. If you watch long enough you see it changing many times, watch full screen. But just as I told that problably many people would have that split eyes effect sometimes. Do not forget that we have all a repitillian part in our brain as wel ! So...

    Just for fun, my next subtitled video will be about the mayans, their gathering with more then 60 people worldwide. I'll make a special video myself out of others but from the same source. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq3s0u73Oes It becomes interesting in later video's.

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    Freaky stuff happening at my house....

    There have been some really change "goings on" at my home and it's starting to freak me out (understatement). We were told this house (it's actually a log cabin) was built in 1930, but recently found out we were lied to and that it was actually built in the 1800's and MOVED to this acreage in 1930. There's a lot of history in this house, good and bad. Most of it has been "Bible Belt" people who have lived here - lots of fear, etc.

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    09-14-2011, 02:24 PM
    Still under construction. Ok, I'll check in later, guys BigSmile

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    09-14-2011, 02:29 PM
    (09-14-2011, 02:22 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: ... AND NOW FOR YOUR 2:22 SPORTS NEWS UPDATE

    (P.S. I hate sports
    Tongue )



    What is the update? [Image: smileyvault-popcorn.gif]
    Ah I see. Is that baseball? pardon my ignorance Tongue


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