Why is there no 2d, 3d or 4d life on Venus ?

[zack231]

The way I see it is that there comes a time on a planet where there is no longer any need for 2nd and 3rd density experience keep in mind Ra's race began a very long time ago with Ra estimating the end of Ra's 3rd density cycle to have been 2.6 billion years ago and thats just when it ended... Ra said that earths 2nd density lasted 4.6 billion years.. So you can only assume Ra's second density was roughly the same if not longer considering there transition was completely natural and derived from free will unlike the beginning of Earths 3rd density which was begun when Mars' civilisation was destroyed. So you get the picture that Ra's race is very very old and that planet Venus is very very old also and began to develop life much sooner than that of earth. It seems like Venus which scientists now agree probably had water on it over 2 billion years ago and may have looked just like earth, but has all but died out overtime due to a lose of the atmosphere..

Now remember that we can only see our spectrum and those below it so what we are seeing is died out 3rd density planet in our perceivable spectrum of the illusion, we have no Idea what it looks like 5th density for we cannot perceive it, so what we are seeing is 3rd density venus.. Remember Ra said that there are seven earths all existing but with 4th, 5th and 6th in potentiation. So the same would apply to venus each one still existing within each spectrum of light or density, venus is now a 5/6th density planet with first, second, third and 4th still existing within each individual spectrum of light or density.. Therefore we are seeing the 3rd density venus which has become uninhabitable for 2nd and 3rd density experience due to its loss of atmosphere which is obviously the building blocks for 2nd and 3rd density experience..

So the reason there is no 2nd or 3rd density enitities visible on venus is because it has become uninhabitable for 2nd to 3rd density life, but is inhabited by 5th density entities but again we cannot seem them or the 5/6 density version of venus as it is above our spectrum of light..

Any way thats just my personal opinion.. I hope it helped in some way

Here is a link to an article on how scientists now believe Venus once looked just like earth including continents, oceans and could have been inhabitable billions of years ago "Billions of years ago, Venus would have had conditions very similar to those on Earth and may even have been habitable, scientists now believe."[font=Arial]
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which lines up very we with when Ra said 3rd density ended on their planet:

http://www.universetoday.com/23651/venus...ts-oceans/


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...-life.html

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I dont know, i guess Don never got to ask that question... I'd assume that the planet sphere has reached a certain level of existance. It is experiencing 5th and up. If it was 3rd density activated tens of thousands of years ago, then naturally, it will continue changing. I just dont understand why second density has to be deactivated.

You are not thinking logically look at venus it is completely dried up 2nd and 3rd have not been deactivated its just that Venus is no longer possible of 2nd and 3rd density life because it is all dried up and the atmosphere has been destroyed.. This is due to the fact that because venus is that little bit closer to the sun it was always destined to burn up and lose its atmosphere as the sun began to increase in heat which scientists say it has been over time... So Venus could have still had 2nd and 3rd activated if it where not for its position and loss of atmosphere hence loss of water hence no life..

We are One

Love and Light

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Also keep in mind that scientists have not actually seen the real surface of Venus as it is covered in a very thick permanent cloud over the entire planet.. They use a special from of camera to map out and predict and then create images of the surface of venus therefore maybe there is some 2nd density life that somehow evolved to these conditions and we do not know, as we cannot see the actual surface.. but of course its almost impossible that their is 2nd density life running around on their as the planets atmosphere is destroyed.. Here is an artists impression of the surface of Venus which scientists is plagued with constant storms:

"Our new data make it possible to construct a scenario in which Venus started out like the Earth - possibly including a habitable environment, billions of years ago - and then evolved to the state we see now."

Yes I know I have an obsession with Venus I have studied it well

I think my response is my best attempt at answer that makes sense to me.. Maybe not other though lol

[unity100]

With this thinking, you should expand your question. Why doesn't 2D-4D life exist on Mars, since life uses what is available? Just because the biosphere was destroyed to support life like ours, doesn't mean it can't support life in the manner you're talking about. Why not Jupiter? Why not Uranus? Why not Pluto? Why not on the Sun? Why not in the middle of outer space where there is no planet?

You can debate the fact all you want, but it is readily observable in my perception that life requires some sort of environment other than "what materials are available," despite what Ra says. I don't feel like it's too much of a stretch to say that requirement is for the 1D elements to be able to interact with each other.

the situation at mars is a recent affair. it was just 75,000 years ago or so. a very short period when you compare it to the length of 2d on a planet - 4 billion years.

and indeed, mars may already be begining to build a biosphere.

we cannot establish specifics for planets that are at gas giant stage yet, since we dont have enough information - we werent told about any gas giants that had life.

however we can comment on what we were told.

Let me expand of this: the Venus (or any other 5d/6d planet) we see is what the sub-Logos provides for us 3d to see: only 1d. This is because 4d and above are outside the realms of the sub-Logos except providing the base red ray or 1d and with that the physical laws pertaining to maintaining a solar system in place.

'outside the realsm of the sub-logos' -> what does that mean ?

That's completely aside from the point. It shouldn't need to be "healed" in order to support life following Unity's theory of life being possible to matter the environment. The fact that it may support life again doesn't support that theory because it should be able to support life now. Same with every other planet in the solar system, following that theory.

a planet like mars may need to be healed. using materials available on a planet for life is one thing, poisoning, radiation, contamination etc through destruction is another thing.

The environment on Venus naturally progressed (I assume) to a point where it could not support 2D life

the grand question here is that why does that happen.

[Raman]

'outside the realsm of the sub-logos' -> what does that mean ?

Basically increased freedom from the sub-logos to the point of, lets say a 4d entity (possibly mid 4th and above) able to continue work in another 4d planet. Sub logos providing catalysts/automaticity up to 3d.

[unity100]

3d entity also may continue to work in another 3d planet.

[Raman]

3d entity also may continue to work in another 3d planet.

Has to reincarnate to do so. What I see is the possibility of 4d of being able to do that due to the increase freedom.

Moreover, 3d is the nexus of reincarnation for 3d, 4d, 5d, 6d (4d and above as wanderers) while 4d, 5d since there is no veil is not.

This leaves 4d, 5d, 5d, 7d choosing to be invisible because they see an incompatibility of some type.

3d appears not to be able to exist without 2d (generally in a planet, since there are some 1d structures that are able to be 3d but this seems to be a minimal occurrence). The sublogos providing for both 2d/3d.

However, 5d, 6d, 7d can exist without the ones below. Which leaves as a open question if 4d is able to exist without 2d.

[unity100]

4d entity also has to reincarnate to do so. it just cant teleport to another environment.

3d appearing not to be able to exist without 2d is an assumption made based on this planet apparently - a planet of mainly animal based 3d entities. this doesnt need to be a necessity - entities just need the chemicals to to survive - and these are 1d entities. as an example, a planet which has 3d bodies based on plants like trees, would not need a 2d outside their own selves to survive.

same would go for 4d.

[Raman]

4d entity also has to reincarnate to do so. it just cant teleport to another environment.

3d appearing not to be able to exist without 2d is an assumption made based on this planet apparently - a planet of mainly animal based 3d entities. this doesnt need to be a necessity - entities just need the chemicals to to survive - and these are 1d entities. as an example, a planet which has 3d bodies based on plants like trees, would not need a 2d outside their own selves to survive.

same would go for 4d.

I think there are significant differences between 3d/4d and obviously 2d/4d.

Some 4d will be able to travel to other planets. It seems Orion 4ds are not plants and Confederation 4d's are not plant based neither. However, they could use transportation.

Some 4d life forms could be even more different and bonded to the planet, others able to travel. The main point is the increase independence from sublogos and the difference in body composition from chemical to electrical. Being this like a bridge to light 'bodies'.

Regarding teleporting is one is able to access timespace that is in the realm of possible.

However, I find intriguing as to why a 5d/6d planet even exists if what I'm talking about is correct. Because then, the sublogos could be responsible to gather/absorb the experiences of the octave in this solar system and bring those back to upper sublogoi and ultimately to the Central Sun or main Logos (Creator).

As to why the planets go through the same sequence of densities as entities, these however, regaining more independence as they spiral higher, is not clear to me. Since the planets always have 1d activated aspect due to keeping with physical laws of the galaxy.

But it seems that by independence I also mean that in 4d harvests the Galactic Logos has more influence due precisely to the influence of the 22 archetypes provided by the sublogos (up to 3d).

Then it takes a whole new meaning why Ra somehow confused/equalled 'galaxy' vs 'solar systems' since up to 3d a solar system is a 'galaxy' in itself or so it seems, a more closed environment.

[zenmaster]

As to why the planets go through the same sequence of densities as entities, these however, regaining more independence as they spiral higher, is not clear to me.

A planet can share a mind with its inhabitants. I'm thinking there is something of the progenitor star, within the makeup of the planet itself, which necessarily evolves over time. Planets may physically grow or physically shrink. At some point the magnetic field may go away, or start up, for example.

[Raman]

So Venus supports 5d/6d. Still 3d appears in activation in Venus (not potentiation) although not able to support our current 3d lifeforms. It seems that a 6d planet can have activated the lower densities but not viceversa.

6.6 Questioner: Would it have been possible to have taken one of the people of this planet at that time and placed him on Venus? Would he have survived? Were conditions on Venus hospitable?
Ra: The third-density conditions are not hospitable to the life-forms of your peoples. The fifth and sixth dimensions of that planetary sphere are quite conducive to growing/learning/teaching.

However, in 6d, entities seem comfortable being even on/or/within the sub-logos That is quite a liberalization from planet. However, the planet itself provides medium to do do 6d work. The, Venus currently supporting 5d life form (even though can also support 6d)....is it because Ra is not there currently (in this case) ? Where is Ra?

At the end, the planet seems necessary to obtain the spiritual mass and being able to travel to the so called black hole. It is interesting the planets are so closely guarded (whatever that means) by the Guardians, however one exploded the other one (at least temporarily) on arrested development....

[unity100]

I think there are significant differences between 3d/4d and obviously 2d/4d.

Some 4d will be able to travel to other planets. It seems Orion 4ds are not plants and Confederation 4d's are not plant based neither. However, they could use transportation.

Some 4d life forms could be even more different and bonded to the planet, others able to travel. The main point is the increase independence from sublogos and the difference in body composition from chemical to electrical. Being this like a bridge to light 'bodies'.

Regarding teleporting is one is able to access timespace that is in the realm of possible.

teleportation doesnt start until 5d.

plants can also move - the sirians who came here were even late 3d, leave aside 4d.

however, this does not at all have parallels with what you were saying - even if 4d can travel to another planet, it cannot incarnate in that planet without dying.

is it because Ra is not there currently (in this case) ? Where is Ra?

in this planet's 5d time/space. (astral).

[Raman]

teleportation doesnt start until 5d.

I'm having some doubts about that. Access to intelligent infinity allows that in so called astral planes but there is possibility of technology in 4d as well.

plants can also move - the sirians who came here were even late 3d, leave aside 4d.

the 'leave aside 4d' is what I'm talking about. I think I said plants can also move as well,

however, this does not at all have parallels with what you were saying - even if 4d can travel to another planet, it cannot incarnate in that planet without dying.

I am not talking about incarnation, I am talking about possibilities of joining another social memory complex etc.

is it because Ra is not there currently (in this case) ? Where is Ra?

in this planet's 5d time/space. (astral).

This is interesting because it leaves still open the question as to why there are not 6d entities in Venus even though it can support this type of work? Is it because Ra vacated the planet for now? Is it because Ra is the only 6d complex that would occupy that plane? Or is this plane available for the current 5d in the planet when they go to 6d?

What would happen to the planet once Ra goes 7d?

[unity100]

I'm having some doubts about that. Access to intelligent infinity allows that in so called astral planes but there is possibility of technology in 4d as well.

there is technology in 4d. that doesnt mean you can readily teleport yourself like a 5d entity by thought. 4d body is still a body that requires intake of chemicals, as opposed to 5d body being able to consume food prepared by thought.

I am not talking about incarnation, I am talking about possibilities of joining another social memory complex etc.

yes, and thats the one you are a bit underestimating. actually, grossly underestimating. a 4d body is still a physical body, even if in 4d. and it will be interacting with the nature of the planet it is on. whatever body it was based on, it would have its biology. you probably wouldnt be able to just walk in and join another planet like that.

this doesnt count in important stuff like societal mind differences, biases and so on. these actually would be valid in 5d too.

This is interesting because it leaves still open the question as to why there are not 6d entities in Venus even though it can support this type of work? Is it because Ra vacated the planet for now? Is it because Ra is the only 6d complex that would occupy that plane? Or is this plane available for the current 5d in the planet when they go to 6d?

What would happen to the planet once Ra goes 7d?

for some reason, ra left venus to be of service. im guessing they didnt want to infringe on the 5d to 6d society living there and progressing towards 6d. which is understandable.

what would happen to planet once Ra goes to 7d ? the planet would probably be occupied by the 6d society which moved from 5d to 6d through progress there.

if you are asking, what happens if that planet becomes totally 6d, and the entities inhabiting it progress into 7d, thats a good question. one would say that another 6d society which is compatible with venus could come. then again another question is what happens when a planet progresses into 7d. or, whether a planet progesses into 7d at all.

[Oceania]

couldn't one just reincarnate where one wants? i don't get these laws. can 5D join another S M C if they want to? they have more power over their body.

[unity100]

couldn't one just reincarnate where one wants? i don't get these laws. can 5D join another S M C if they want to? they have more power over their body.

apparently archetypal mind choices of logoi have an effect on compatibility.

[Raman]

couldn't one just reincarnate where one wants? i don't get these laws. can 5D join another S M C if they want to? they have more power over their body.

apparently archetypal mind choices of logoi have an effect on compatibility.

It appears those archetypes mainly deal with 3d. When Ra wandered to another galaxy, must have been as 3d since others have memory. Unless there is something different but then it seems the densities are consistent in this octave independent of galaxies.

Negative 5ds are singular so they have to join a SMC sometime, somehow or if they switch polarities before being unavoidable to lose negativity to go forward (or spiraling up).

[zenmaster]

It appears those archetypes mainly deal with 3d.

3D is what's operating at the core of all self-aware beings, regardless of density. Much of personality is basically created in 3D, through these archetypes. This is where we figure out our biases.

76.16 Questioner: Third density, then, compared to the rest of the densities, all of them, is nothing but a uniquely short period of what we consider to be time and is for the purpose of this choice.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is precisely correct. The prelude to choice must encompass the laying of the foundation, the establishment of the illusion and the viability of that which can be made spiritually viable. The remainder of the densities is continuous refining of the choice. This also is greatly lengthened, as you would use the term. The choice is, as you put it, the work of a moment but is the axis upon which the creation turns.

77.15 Questioner: The specific question that I had was that it seems to me that the choice was planned to create intense polarization past third density so that experience would be intense past third density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Given that our interpretation of your sound vibration complexes is appropriate, this is incorrect. The intensity of fourth density is that of the refining of the rough-hewn sculpture. This is, indeed, in its own way, quite intense causing the mind/body/spirit complex to move ever inward and onward in its quest for fuller expression. However, in third density the statue is forged in the fire. This is a type of intensity which is not the property of fourth, fifth, sixth, or seventh densities.

[Raman]

Well the archetypes lead to the choice..once the choice is made then here it comes 4th, 5th etc. But there is no veil, awakening of the spirit etc. In other words, they are obsolete except for the choice 4d and above.
Question would be in which form Ra visited those galaxies.

Kinda interesting to see where Ra is now though, a whole 6d SMC getting ready to 7d and here they are. Possibly some even on 3d form. Makes me think about the sublogoi and 'it's' planets, how a solar system can be a galaxy with its own rules in itself. Since all 7 densities can occur in a solar system, I wonder if that is the way back to the sublogos, etc so at 7th all of this solar system goes through the so called blackhole. Kinda ties up with higher selves concepts.

[zenmaster]

Some in 3D form? I would not be surprised if most of Ra was incarnate here, in 3D, at this time.

[Raman]

Yeah, I always thought that. Although it was just a 'feeling'.

[unity100]

couldn't one just reincarnate where one wants? i don't get these laws. can 5D join another S M C if they want to? they have more power over their body.

apparently archetypal mind choices of logoi have an effect on compatibility.

It appears those archetypes mainly deal with 3d. When Ra wandered to another galaxy, must have been as 3d since others have memory. Unless there is something different but then it seems the densities are consistent in this octave independent of galaxies.

archetypal mind is not something specific to 3d. maybe you are confusing with the focus put on the differentiation of mind for 3d veil during archetypal talk.

Possibly some even on 3d form.

what 3d form ?

Yeah, I always thought that. Although it was just a 'feeling'.

feeling ?

ra already said that a lot of the wanderers from 6d on this planet as of this moment are from their society complex ?

[3DMonkey]

It has been my understanding that the "archetypical mind" has not only been specific to third density, but also specific to this solar system... perhaps even specific to this galaxy.

I'm not sure where the idea that the archetypal mind is as constant as love/light vibrations are comes from.

[AnthroHeart]

Yeah Monkey, I had the feeling/thought that archetypes are dynamic, as the Universe is always changing.

[Raman]

archetypal mind is not something specific to 3d. maybe you are confusing with the focus put on the differentiation of mind for 3d veil during archetypal talk.

There is no subconscious on 4d and above. So the archetypes provided by the sun are not there except the last one or the choice. It might be possible that another set of archetypes are provided by galactic logos once a smc is formed.

What set of archetypes are in 4d? then in 5d and so on?

What is your definition of archetypal mind?

Possibly some even on 3d form.

what 3d form ?[/quote]
humans

feeling ?

ra already said that a lot of the wanderers from 6d on this planet as of this moment are from their society complex ?

feeling before being aware of that. it corroborated the feeling. however, in another q/a Ra says they are not incarnated currently, which can confused people if taken out of context, which has been in another post/s.

[unity100]

There is no subconscious on 4d and above. So the archetypes provided by the sun are not there except the last one or the choice. It might be possible that another set of archetypes are provided by galactic logos once a Social Memory Complex is formed.

thats incorrect. subconscious and conscious exist throughout the octave. it is a kind of separation of the faculties of mind in male/female sense. until the male/female energies are balanced in perfect, they exist in differing weightings. at the point they are balanced, they exist in perfect balance, they do not go away.

i dont know where you are concluding this from. archetypal mind is the archetypal mind this logos chose for manifestation in its creation. it is not something limited to 3d.

[AnthroHeart]

archetypal mind is the archetypal mind this logos chose for manifestation in its creation. it is not something limited to 3d.

Well said.

[Raman]

There is no subconscious on 4d and above. So the archetypes provided by the sun are not there except the last one or the choice. It might be possible that another set of archetypes are provided by galactic logos once a Social Memory Complex is formed.

thats incorrect. subconscious and conscious exist throughout the octave. it is a kind of separation of the faculties of mind in male/female sense. until the male/female energies are balanced in perfect, they exist in differing weightings. at the point they are balanced, they exist in perfect balance, they do not go away.

i dont know where you are concluding this from. archetypal mind is the archetypal mind this logos chose for manifestation in its creation. it is not something limited to 3d.

it seems to me you are comparing conscious unconscious in a 3d sense then transposing that to male and female in higher densities. I don't see a clear parallel or non-disctinction.


Archetypal mind of sub logos is different that galactic logos regarding archetypes offered to 3d and then above.. I don't not see any other archetypes provided by sublogos after 3d (except choice) unless we are talking about wisdom vs love, etc and other binary sets. But those do not appear to me to be provided by the sublogos.

[unity100]

There is no subconscious on 4d and above. So the archetypes provided by the sun are not there except the last one or the choice. It might be possible that another set of archetypes are provided by galactic logos once a Social Memory Complex is formed.

thats incorrect. subconscious and conscious exist throughout the octave. it is a kind of separation of the faculties of mind in male/female sense. until the male/female energies are balanced in perfect, they exist in differing weightings. at the point they are balanced, they exist in perfect balance, they do not go away.

i dont know where you are concluding this from. archetypal mind is the archetypal mind this logos chose for manifestation in its creation. it is not something limited to 3d.

it seems to me you are comparing conscious unconscious in a 3d sense then transposing that to male and female in higher densities. I don't see a clear parallel or non-disctinction.


Archetypal mind of sub logos is different that galactic logos regarding archetypes offered to 3d and then above.. I don't not see any other archetypes provided by sublogos after 3d (except choice) unless we are talking about wisdom vs love, etc and other binary sets. But those do not appear to me to be provided by the sublogos.

there is no difference in male/female or anything else in higher densities. 3d is not some density existing separately from other densities. the only difference in 3d is that, there is a veil in between conscious and subconscious, and that's that.

[3DMonkey]

There is more to 3D than that, isn't there?

The veil only separates conscious and unconscious, and these are of Mind. What about the separation of darkness and light- the matrix and potentiators of Spirit? Where does that light, potentiator of spirit, come from if not the 3D Mind? The body is the easiest to grasp in that "wisdom" is a "container" that molds motion.

Without the veil, we cease to be complex, and I have a hunch that if we are not complex, we stop thinking of our Self as a single unit of being, and that happens we dissolve into random nothingness. (I look forward to it!)

[Raman]

There is no subconscious on 4d and above. So the archetypes provided by the sun are not there except the last one or the choice. It might be possible that another set of archetypes are provided by galactic logos once a Social Memory Complex is formed.

thats incorrect. subconscious and conscious exist throughout the octave. it is a kind of separation of the faculties of mind in male/female sense. until the male/female energies are balanced in perfect, they exist in differing weightings. at the point they are balanced, they exist in perfect balance, they do not go away.

i dont know where you are concluding this from. archetypal mind is the archetypal mind this logos chose for manifestation in its creation. it is not something limited to 3d.

it seems to me you are comparing conscious unconscious in a 3d sense then transposing that to male and female in higher densities. I don't see a clear parallel or non-disctinction.


Archetypal mind of sub logos is different that galactic logos regarding archetypes offered to 3d and then above.. I don't not see any other archetypes provided by sublogos after 3d (except choice) unless we are talking about wisdom vs love, etc and other binary sets. But those do not appear to me to be provided by the sublogos.

there is no difference in male/female or anything else in higher densities. 3d is not some density existing separately from other densities. the only difference in 3d is that, there is a veil in between conscious and subconscious, and that's that.

veil seems to be something relatively new apparently to this edge of the galaxy

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There is more to 3D than that, isn't there?

The veil only separates conscious and unconscious, and these are of Mind. What about the separation of darkness and light- the matrix and potentiators of Spirit? Where does that light, potentiator of spirit, come from if not the 3D Mind? The body is the easiest to grasp in that "wisdom" is a "container" that molds motion.

Without the veil, we cease to be complex, and I have a hunch that if we are not complex, we stop thinking of our Self as a single unit of being, and that happens we dissolve into random nothingness. (I look forward to it!)

Well that is interesting you seem to have good knowledge of those concepts.

Anyway, the veil was not necessary was just a choice by the SubLogos (or even the Galactic Logos) to prevent stagnation.

It would be cool just to have an idea of what kind of archetypes are available in other galaxies..man...unbelievable mysteries are out there...

[zenmaster]

There is no subconscious on 4d and above.

This is incorrect, as the subconscious/unconscious is based on as-yet integrated aspects of the total personality (higher-self). Jung and Assagioli have said as much. What 4D provides is access to time/space which is one's total memory along with the 'rules' or 'nuemonon' which are the principles underlying the things we sense. It does not provide immediate understanding of the logos - that is still in the 'unconscious' and awaiting access through eventual lessons.