Guardians of the quarantine doesnt seem infallible

[zenmaster]

I choose to experience the positive, creative opportunities. Ignorance is bliss as 3DM says.

[Tenet Nosce]

This game is getting on the side of stupidity. If continue like this why don't we just blow up planets everywhere and end creation once and for all..

What the hell is your point again?

Of course not!! Why would we want to end creation? Would that even be possible??

Raman, what I think some folks are attempting to get at is that the reason we choose not to enslave others, or kill them, is because we recognize ourselves in them. This is love.

We don't need to invoke "wickedness" or "righteousness" in order to coexist in peace, love, joy and harmony.

Isn't that great news! A load off of your shoulders? Whew! You're not here to save the universe, and you do not need to be saved from it. You put the bogeyman in the closet, remember?

Peace on earth, goodwill toward men. (And women) (And cats and chickens too)

[3DMonkey]

I choose to experience the positive, creative opportunities. Ignorance is bliss as 3DM says.

No you didunt. (I'm uncomfortable being accepted by the master. Resume our roles please )

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This game is getting on the side of stupidity. If continue like this why don't we just blow up planets everywhere and end creation once and for all..

Okay. This is a valid expression. I can see how planets would implode from emotion. Technically, we destroy sub planets within our mental creations quite often.

[Tenet Nosce]

insistently and doggedly polarizing because the entity is in wanderer status, may end up imbalancing the entity in its violet balance. in the end, violet balance is the balance which forms the basis of identifying what the entity 'is' at that point in time. skew that balance too much, and the amount of polarization wont matter.

That is a good point. I think sometimes people think that they must incessantly strive to be 100% STO, and so rob themselves of the opportunity to benefit from a little rest and recovery.

[Tenet Nosce]

Would it be STO or simply S, Service

Clever, the perception of O's would be dwindled at that point, wouldn't it?

Ra is in service to the Creator, they don't really differentiate between Self and Other, 6D having such a strong perception of Others as Self.

Or Self as Others. As the case may be.

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Say, do y'all think this might have anything to do with the ability to break quarantine:

Mysterious 'Ribbon' of Energy and Particles That Wrap Around Solar System's Heliosphere Isolated

Also, I am curious to hear some thoughts on David Wilcock's take on this, particularly:

China's October Surprise II: Earth's "Quarantine" Has Lifted

[Tenet Nosce]

Theosophic concept, the buddhic realms below the monadic realm.

Theosophy may have been corrupted by a negative contact. Exercise wisdom and discretion with what you read from Lucis (was Lucifer) Publishing.

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*Unless you're a third-density prodigy and can self-harvest, a la Jesus.

It is really interesting to me how this idea of Jesus as superhuman, or being portrayed (most notably by Paul) as having achieved some standard of conduct that is unattainable for normal folk, seems to add to the confusion. Fundamentally, I think this gets to the idea of Jesus having some sort of "special" relationship to God, and hence his supposed role as a personal savior.

I have observed several threads, including this one, in this forum that have become somewhat derailed by the interjection of "Jesus" into the conversation. I have also observed other seekers , notably Carla, who seem to be struggling on a very deep level with how to reconcile the Law of One with the standard Christian dogma that they have been programmed to believe about who Jesus was, or what his mission was really about.

I'm down with the teachings of Jesus, but let's face it, Jehovah is a war god, pure and simple. I just think it is interesting to observe that as soon as Jesus, Jeshosuah, Yahweh, Jehovah, Abraham, or Brahm (note the name changes, or hypocorism) enter into a thread, it almost always gets derailed and caught up in the mass confusion surrounding these entities. Law of Confusion, indeed.

Maybe this is all somehow tied up in the distortion and connected to why the quarantine can be breached.

It sort of seems like for every positive contact that is allowed in, a negative one slips through and attempts to distort the message in every imaginable way.

Check out this search of Bring4th.org for teachings of jesus. Very interesting....

[zenmaster]

It sort of seems like for every positive contact that is allowed in, a negative one slips through and attempts to distort the message in every imaginable way.

Negatives are always allowed in to plunder as long as people desire to balance the positive contact.

[3DMonkey]

It sort of seems like for every positive contact that is allowed in, a negative one slips through and attempts to distort the message in every imaginable way.

Negatives are always allowed in to plunder as long as people desire to balance the positive contact.

'Exploring all avenues within the mind'. A thought carries with it its counter-thought.

[unity100]

It sort of seems like for every positive contact that is allowed in, a negative one slips through and attempts to distort the message in every imaginable way.

Negatives are always allowed in to plunder as long as people desire to balance the positive contact.

or negatives are always allowed to plunder as long as some guardians think that positive contact should be balanced - with their own perception of balance.

[zenmaster]

I think that true, the guardians desire some kind of balance from overly positive or negative empowerment. In 3D, this may be of some aid.

I've encountered neutral, positive and negative entities, 3D/inner plane-6D, but still really have no idea what the balancing criteria is. We have the pre-incarnative choice of the contactee to experience certain polarities, the questions asked of the collective unconscious, or racial mind, which is a calling. There's also the more conscious questions or calling.

[Tenet Nosce]

or negatives are always allowed to plunder as long as some guardians think that positive contact should be balanced - with their own perception of balance.

Can you expand on that? Are you saying that the guardians might not be in congruence over this issue? I am not sure if I read that in the way you meant it.

[zenmaster]

I think unity is referring to the fact that since the guardians are in charge of the 'quarantine', and we had a negatively inspired elite on this planet that has had some influence historically and today, that they are directly allowing this. This is opposed to the 'natural' 3D calling due to bias to explore or to discover certain distortions which may desire negative opportunities.

I think it's more the case that the individuals that have used their 3D existence to polarize, naturally become more socially influential (i.e. as planetary logos) and have a stronger calling, regardless of service orientation.

[unity100]

or negatives are always allowed to plunder as long as some guardians think that positive contact should be balanced - with their own perception of balance.

Can you expand on that? Are you saying that the guardians might not be in congruence over this issue? I am not sure if I read that in the way you meant it.

I think unity is referring to the fact that since the guardians are in charge of the 'quarantine', and we had a negatively inspired elite on this planet that has had some influence historically and today, that they are directly allowing this. This is opposed to the 'natural' 3D calling due to bias to explore or to discover certain distortions which may desire negative opportunities.

I think it's more the case that the individuals that have used their 3D existence to polarize, naturally become more socially influential (i.e. as planetary logos) and have a stronger calling, regardless of service orientation.

http://lawofone.info/results.php?session...c=1&ss=1#6

apparently the quarantine on this planet was going to be light, and apparently this seems to be default quarantine form for planets. (since we dont have any other information, i am assuming that all 3d planets are quarantined in this manner from start of 3d, since it seems to be implies that).

however the quarantine was made heavier due to yawheh's screwup. therefore, this means, the guardians had the choice of making the quarantine stronger, or lighter. it means to be an act taken by free will, not a simple spiritual mechanic that is in place by itself. at least, we are not given any information to point us in that direction.

at a point, an orion vehicle was able to pass through quarantine, circa 1600 BC, through random window effect. ra says this was a manifestation that was governed by the guardian's future selves. then again we are seeing the passage of this vehicle tied to the choices and behavior of guardian entities.

on another hand, the guardians present selves could have lightened the quarantine before that, and allowed more negative influence. this would probably prevent the random window effect that happened later. even if we look at this, the passage of negatives seem to be tied to guardian's choices.

it is possible that the calling meets the random window effect. ie, the nature of need/calling on the planet fits the vibration model of the entities coming to meet it. (it is quite likely since they could very well exploit the deficiencies yahweh introduced genetically and socially). however, this would mean that physical entities which were physically able to come and penetrate this veil, (or entities that had the expertise and good fortune to penetrate the veil through other means - astral passage of the 5d entity -) were the ones answering this call.

this reduces the chances (actually eliminates, coupled with the heavy veil) of entities who could contact this planet on a more subtle level, like in astral plane, or in thought/vibration alone, from afar.

i see this system as exceedingly wrong.

the proper method should have been employing a light veil, so that the exact calling would match the exact vibration/model, and entities which were even half a galaxy away and cannot come to this planet or cannot pass a heavy veil through astral manifestations, or strength of their thought should have been able to answer calls.

this includes any call. not only negative calls. actually, even positive calls.

this seems to have been the case, even if (maybe) in a rather excessive manner, in Ra's experience. and the logos (or whomever decided to make the veil on this planet heavier) seems to have decided to make that veil heavier to facilitate 'free will'.

however all that such veils to, is to make conscious/subconscious connection exceedingly hard, causing any kind of vibration/thought the entity may have wanted to attract impossibly harder, leading up to the situation of distortions and impressions effected on the societal mind, or by the societal mind itself, to rape the free choice of the entity.

the word rape is carefully chosen there and it serves more than the purpose it seems to be serving - making subconscious connection harder makes the entity unable to move more heavily according to the choices its subconscious would offer, due to heavy veiling, and conscious and subconscious are tied to male and female aspects, respectively.

[AnthroHeart]

I've read many places about the quarantine lifting in 2012. Is there word on how we won't be invaded by negative ET's once that happens?

[3DMonkey]

I've read many places about the quarantine lifting in 2012. Is there word on how we won't be invaded by negative ET's once that happens?

Sounds like something to do with Fourth Density full activation. Which isn't necessarily 2012, but it would be interesting to contemplate the 'protection' for a 4D Planet...

[Tenet Nosce]

I've read many places about the quarantine lifting in 2012. Is there word on how we won't be invaded by negative ET's once that happens?

The last I heard on that was in a post by David Wilcock in China's October Surprise II: Earth's "Quarantine" Has Lifted.

As a caveat, DW seems to be promoting the idea of imminent disclosure of ETs that smacks of manipulation to me. It is as if two different negative factions are working against each other to create either a false-flag "Alien Invasion" scenario or alternatively an "Alien Rescue" scenario.

Both of these are bunk, IMO. Any alien who steps off of a "spaceship" better clearly identify who they are, and where they came from. I am somewhat skeptical of the idea of ANY kinds of physical being traveling throughout interstellar space in ginormous metallic ships. If said ships exist, I contend they must have been manufactured here on earth, or underground, or possibly on the Moon or Mars.

Bottom line: The only help to humanity that -I- want to hear from any supposed ET/alien/god is to point to the fact that we already have all the solutions we need right here, right now.

Alien gods may have started this whole mess, but it is up to humanity to fix it ourselves. Intervention is the problem, not the solution.

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apparently the quarantine on this planet was going to be light, and apparently this seems to be default quarantine form for planets. (since we dont have any other information, i am assuming that all 3d planets are quarantined in this manner from start of 3d, since it seems to be implies that).

Interesting. I how said Guardians wouldn't have known about this ahead of time. At the very least, that would demonstrate that the Guardians are not, in fact, infallible. Also, you may have missed my earlier comment/question. Do you think that the Guardians are/were all in agreement about how to handle the situation? Or is/was there conflict among them?

at a point, an orion vehicle was able to pass through quarantine, circa 1600 BC, through random window effect. Ra says this was a manifestation that was governed by the guardian's future selves. then again we are seeing the passage of this vehicle tied to the choices and behavior of guardian entities.

Do we know for sure that this was a physical craft?

it is possible that the calling meets the random window effect. ie, the nature of need/calling on the planet fits the vibration model of the entities coming to meet it. (it is quite likely since they could very well exploit the deficiencies yahweh introduced genetically and socially). however, this would mean that physical entities which were physically able to come and penetrate this veil, (or entities that had the expertise and good fortune to penetrate the veil through other means - astral passage of the 5d entity -) were the ones answering this call.

See, this scrambles my brains. Why would the "game" so to speak be set up so that a given 3D entity does not have everything it needs to evolve without having to make the "call" to some other power?

i see this system as exceedingly wrong.

Wrong? To what standard of conduct would one be able to adjudicate its "wrongness"? Perhaps you mean ineffective?

this includes any call. not only negative calls. actually, even positive calls.

I see what you are saying, although I am confused on the "calling". By what mechanism would a physical entity living on a planet on the other side of the galaxy perceive such a "call"? And moreover, what would prompt them to leave their own immediate sphere of influence to trek out across the galaxy in a space ship?

this seems to have been the case, even if (maybe) in a rather excessive manner, in Ra's experience. and the logos (or whomever decided to make the veil on this planet heavier) seems to have decided to make that veil heavier to facilitate 'free will'.

Assuming that is true, how does this view make you feel toward the logos?

the word rape is carefully chosen there and it serves more than the purpose it seems to be serving - making subconscious connection harder makes the entity unable to move more heavily according to the choices its subconscious would offer, due to heavy veiling, and conscious and subconscious are tied to male and female aspects, respectively.

Frankly, I'm surprised your choice of words hasn't resulted in the hopeless derailing of this thread as of yet. But I see what you mean.

[3DMonkey]

As a caveat, DW seems to be promoting the idea of imminent disclosure of ETs that smacks of manipulation to me. It is as if two different negative factions are working against each other to create either a false-flag "Alien Invasion" scenario or alternatively an "Alien Rescue" scenario.

I agree. Any disclosure coming down the pipes smacks of manipulation, IMO.

[Oceania]

i'm waiting for the aliens. i think it's plausible they will help us clean this mess. if Ra was here meddling, so can they, it's about time!

[Tenet Nosce]

i'm waiting for the aliens. i think it's plausible they will help us clean this mess. if Ra was here meddling, so can they, it's about time!

Intervention and a rescue from an outside influence is the problem, not the solution. It's all tied up in that "Savior" routine that our minds have been programmed with.

Be careful what you wish for, Oceania. If you want to know the TRUTH it is that humanity already has everything we need to clean up our mess. The "aliens" have been here the whole time. LOOK WITHIN !

We don't need our mommies and daddies coming in and cleaning up after us like an alcoholic that has just puked all over the bathroom.

If we want to be spiritual grownups, then we'd better start looking WITHIN for the answers. Funny how pretty much every spiritual teacher in the history of the human race has told us to go within, and how every channeled higher being tells us to go within and meditate.

Yes we still sit out here, whining and complaining, like little babies. It's time to put on our big boy and big girl pants now and stop crapping ourselves and waiting for somebody to come wipe our asses for us.

[Oceania]

i think we do need help, that doesn't mean we don't do anything ourselves. assistance isn't savior bullshit. sometimes it's braver to accept some help. and i think this planet is way too harsh, i don't think it has anything to do with being a baby.

[Tenet Nosce]

i think we do need help, that doesn't mean we don't do anything ourselves. assistance isn't savior bullshit. sometimes it's braver to accept some help. and i think this planet is way too harsh, i don't think it has anything to do with being a baby.

The only help I am willing to accept from an "ET/alien" at this nexus would be for them to simply show us that they exist, but tell humanity that they already have the answers which they are seeking.

And we do. We are just too pigheaded to implement them.

Or ignorant. Too busy watching CNN or TMZ to pay attention to real scientific breakthroughs that are happening every day.

[Oceania]

well, you do what you do and i do what i do.

[Tenet Nosce]

well, you do what you do and i do what i do.

Very true. Say, why don't we meet back up in 6th density and compare notes? I think our paths will be diverging for quite a while.

[Oceania]

why do you say that?

[Tenet Nosce]

why do you say that?

ETs/aliens coming in to "uplift humanity" is at the BEGINNING of 3D, remember?

We've already had advanced alien technologies active on this planet, remember?

No, maybe you don't remember because it has been selectively censored from the collective memory by the ET/aliens. Supposedly for our own benefit, of course. Funny how censorship works that way.

Three choices: 4D positive, 4D negative, or repeat 3D.

Excepting Wanderers, which is a different topic that I don't want to derail this thread even more. Just pointing out there are a few other options thrown in the mix.

[Oceania]

so what are you saying? you're telling me that because i have positive and accepting feelings toward positive aliens i'm repeating 3D or something?

[Tenet Nosce]

so what are you saying? you're telling me that because i have positive and accepting feelings toward positive aliens i'm repeating 3D or something?

Not at all. Perhaps I misunderstood your post. It sounded to me like you are assuming that any ET/alien who shows up here with an outstretched hand in friendship is automatically positive?

Do you acknowledge the possibility of negative ET/aliens? If so, how do you suppose they might attempt to derail humanity's path? How might we discern between them?

I would highly recommend you read this series of articles on the Alien Agenda.

It was folly to speak so quickly about your personal path, of which I know very little. I offer my apologies for that.

[zenmaster]

I'm opposed to any ET's coming here in an "nuts and bolts" manner, at this time period, for ethical reasons. It'd do infinitely more harm than good, and people should realize this.

[Crown]

I would highly recommend you read this series of articles on the Alien Agenda.

I really dont recommend taking this link that seriously. Just as any other information, it is polluted. Why would you want to believe these kind of things? It would do you only harm i would say... Especially if you look at "them" as the bad guys. I think this kind of information is somewhat dangerous. I would also like to remind everyone that just as all of this sounds big and complicated, there is the exact same thing operating on the other side of the spectrum. Even though we as a race have been manipulated by ourselves actually many times, we are still not "lost". This whole hyperdimensional conquest is just another reality out of the infinite. The way you speak about "Truth" is bothering me too. Oh well, thanks for sharing the link.

[Tenet Nosce]

I would highly recommend you read this series of articles on the Alien Agenda.

I really dont recommend taking this link that seriously. Just as any other information, it is polluted. Why would you want to believe these kind of things? It would do you only harm i would say... Especially if you look at "them" as the bad guys. I think this kind of information is somewhat dangerous. I would also like to remind everyone that just as all of this sounds big and complicated, there is the exact same thing operating on the other side of the spectrum. Even though we as a race have been manipulated by ourselves actually many times, we are still not "lost". This whole hyperdimensional conquest is just another reality out of the infinite. The way you speak about "Truth" is bothering me too. Oh well, thanks for sharing the link.

Crown, if you would have read the material offered instead of dismissing it out of hand, you would see that the view offered is that the vast majority of ET/aliens ARE positive.

They just choose not to interfere for free will purposes.