Post-harvest continuity of consciousness

[pphuck]

Questioner: Now as this transition continues into fourth-density activation, in order to inhabit this fourth-density sphere it will be necessary for all third-density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

you underlined it properly, where it says refer to as death... that's not a proper definition as such

...where you once again have the word "death" together with "apparent" leading to further ambiguousness

in that pyramid base experience q/a, again apparent death, is being used as to mean 'in appearance', so, it means metaphorical death.

but giving a real and not metaphorical effect

[unity100]

you underlined it properly, where it says refer to as death... that's not a proper definition as such

i dont know how to respond to this. 'referring' means naming.

[Turtle]

Questioner: Now as this transition continues into fourth-density activation, in order to inhabit this fourth-density sphere it will be necessary for all third-density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

you underlined it properly, where it says refer to as death... that's not a proper definition as such

So then...everyone undergoes the so called NDE process...then comes back to continue living?....I can only imagine how utterly revolutionizing something like that would be to our societies.

Either that or we all truly die. Hmm.....

Godspeed!

[pphuck]

you underlined it properly, where it says refer to as death... that's not a proper definition as such

i dont know how to respond to this. 'referring' means naming.

i refer to you as "unity100", but actually your name is something completely different - i could also "refer" to "red" as a "warm colour" rather than a "cold colour" - this isn't a definition, or you're back to cirular reasoning again

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So then...everyone undergoes the so called NDE process...then comes back to continue living?....I can only imagine how utterly revolutionizing something like that would be to our societies.

Either that or we all truly die. Hmm.....

isn't there a quote somewhere about 3rd density beings that stays in 3rd density when other progress to 4th positive/negative, stating that the ones staying in 3rd gets a short glimpse of the infinite intelligence?

i'll hunt it down tomorrow if no one else does

[unity100]

So then...everyone undergoes the so called NDE process...then comes back to continue living?....I can only imagine how utterly revolutionizing something like that would be to our societies.

Either that or we all truly die. Hmm.....

from the direct question about death necessity before harvest don asked Ra, i conclude that not a NDE but a total death (of the physical vehicle) is necessary.

i refer to you as "unity100", but actually your name is something completely different - i could also "refer" to "red" as a "warm colour" rather than a "cold colour" - this isn't a definition, or you're back to cirular reasoning again

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you refer to me as unity100, and what you know about me here, is the unity100 you know. you dont know anything else about me than what you see here. so far, im a forum participant that is debating in a forum using posts of text. that defines unity100 for you, and that definition is true.

similarly, when 'we' as human civilization refer to the physical process we know as 'death', it is a referring that describes the word 'death' as we know it - cessation of the existence of physical 3d vehicle that is inhabited.

so, as unity100 as you know it and refer to it, happens as you know it to happen, at large, death that is referred to as we know it to happen, happens similarly for the people, 'as we know it'.

death, however you approach it here, includes cessation of the existence of the physical vehicle. there is no way to interpret this in any other way, without including cessation of existence of the physical vehicle.to

[pphuck]

you refer to me as unity100, and what you know about me here, is the unity100 you know. you dont know anything else about me than what you see here. so far, im a forum participant that is debating in a forum using posts of text. that defines unity100 for you, and that definition is true.

so you do agree that it is not the same?

[unity100]

so you do agree that it is not the same?

no, because the two are irrelevant. even if i my personality is much bigger than unity100 you know here, unity100 will still happen to you, as you know it here.

therefore, even if the meaning of death is actually much larger than you know, it will still happen to you as you know it, ie, including the physical death of the physical body. IF, we take what don and Ra talked at that q/a.

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i will leave this line of discussion, since i believe that we have exhausted the usability.

[Tenet Nosce]

RA: You must see the Earth as being 7 planets. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for 4th density entities which they will call Earth. DURING THE 4TH DENSITY EXPERIENCE, THE 3RD DENSITY SPHERE IS NOT USEFUL FOR HABITATION, (i.e. by 3rd density beings) because the early 4th density entity will not know precisely how to remain undetectable by 3rd density. Thus in 4th density the red, orange and green energy nexi (centers) of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with blue and indigo.

This quote blows the gradualist argument right out of the water. Ra is clearly saying here that 4D and 3D are not compatible experiences. According to this, there is no combined 3D/4D interim world. One switches off, and the other switches on.

So how it will happen I am not sure. But according to this, it seems that when this planet has struck the hour (being in 2011, Ra counted 30 years from 1981 sessions) 3rd density earth will not be sustaining ANY life whatsoever.

The readings do seem to suggest that, though some of their greatest proponents seems to be switching to more of a gradualist view as the time gets closer. In one sense, the idea that there is just a sudden big flash of light and then it's all done is easier to justify logically.

When you think about it, there really is no other way if it is to happen at all. I think the idea that all of the various personal and collective issues currently at play are going to somehow magically become all tied up in neat little packages with bows by the end of 2012 is a great deal more straining to the mental senses.

Even if we had all the solutions to the world's problems immediately available at our fingertips it would take hundreds of years to implement them all.

I think this is why David Wilcock is a firm believer that there will be "mass ascension" which really means everyone is going to be harvested at the same time and go to their personalized inner plane experience of the spiral of light...and then go to their proper density to continue experiencing existence.

I have a lot of respect for DW and his work, however the pink elephant in the room when it comes to DW is that he seems to be willing to stake his professional reputation on the "mass ascension" theory and yet if it is true, one must ask why keep putting in all the effort to promote the idea at this point?

All the books, videos, movies, music, etc. DW repeatedly complains about the toll that all this stress takes on his health. You have to wonder... if it is all going to be over within the next two years why not just take it easy and have a good time? (That's a rhetorical question)

QUESTION: As this transition continues into 4th density activation, in order to inhabit this 4th density earth it will be necessary for all 3rd density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. Is this correct? (B3, S63, 92)

RA: This is correct.

And then David's quote just under that...

[i][NOTE: This is the most widely misunderstood quote in the Law of One series. Context reveals that Ra is referring to a transmutation, not any type of death as we would normally think of it. This is an ecstatic feeling -- the most incredible moment of any lifetime you've ever had as a human being.

Sounds good to me, but if true then again the entire process must happen simultaneously for everybody.

Which again begs the question... why bother with anything at this point? Who cares what the Illuminati are up to? What is the difference whether Disclosure happens or not? Who cares about the oil spill, or the environment, or whether the earthquakes are natural or manmade, etc.

... 3rd density incarnation will come to a natural and unseen end along the way.

Are these your words, or DW? Either way, this is exactly the crux of my question. How could the end be both natural and unseen? Even if we don't know how it will end for us, why is it that no source has ever given an account of how it happened on another world similar to ours?

The only confusing part about all of this then for me, is just HOW everyone is going to experience this shift. Will it be that in one second, every single person on earth just leaves their physical body and is then joined by their guides and walked on the spiral of light to determine their next path? Does the veil just DROP like this for everyone instantly? How does this look if you were to be able to view 3d earth; as an outsider would it look like every person on earth just dropped dead in their tracks simultaneously? I don't know...

You may not know and I may not know... however an entity who claims to have gone through the process should be able to speak to these questions.

It somewhat confounds me that this never came up in the Law of One material, and has still not been clearly addressed in the past 30 years. These are some very fundamental questions that should have been addressed.

If Ra graduated from 3D on Venus, then Ra should be able to give an account of the events that transpired right before the end of the cycle. Also, telling us would not infringe upon free will because we are freely asking Ra to speak about its own experience, not the experience of others.

[unity100]

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i forgot the veil ....

veil complicates the issue and makes any kind of uninterrupted 'ascension' harder.

imagine, with your current mindset, veil lifting totally and remembering all past lives, and any withheld information with your conscious mind. and the accompanying emotions ...

ra says that, as the 4th density vibrations increase, souls who are not yet ready to face their own self (accept themselves) may go mad.

imagine that the veil suddenly drops and you remember all the greater self, with your current mind as a subset of the societal mind. it would be hard for even the most hardened to handle.

but then again, actually i do not think that veil would drop that fast, in case an instant 'ascension' of some sort, with no cessation of physical body, happened. its very probably will go away gradually, as entities adapt to 4d vibrations even more.

If Ra graduated from 3D on Venus, then Ra should be able to give an account of the events that transpired right before the end of the cycle. Also, telling us would not infringe upon free will because we are freely asking Ra to speak about its own experience, not the experience of others.

if im not mistaken there wasnt a quarantine in venus. in either case, the conditions for both harvests are not the same, as Ra points out a few times in the text.

especially, the negative thought patterns of current society causing issues.

[unity100]

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0101.aspx

if we look at q'uo here, the entities who Carla is currently channeling, their statement coincides with Ra's about how people will live out and die their normal lives according to the possibilities at that point (2006)

We are pleased, indeed, that groups such as yours all over the planet have enabled the third-density structure they do now enjoy as they have. It is extremely likely at this point that your population shall be able to enjoy uninterrupted and comfortable incarnations at the end of which lies the opportunity to choose the next classroom which you feel that you would best enjoy working in.

It is very likely—and we are looking only at probability vortices, not actual predictions— that your people will not only be able to live out their current incarnations here but that there will be enough energy within third density to maintain third-density bodies and the energies of evolution, in terms of the spirit, for some of your time, perhaps as many as a hundred or a hundred and fifty of your years. It is difficult but not impossible to predict with any accuracy what shall occur with your people. However, the time of third density for doing third-density work is virtually over.

Those not in incarnation at this time will not have another shot at living on planet Earth, taking flesh, and becoming choice-making, ethical, biological units, as this entity likes to call human beings, from the work of the one known as Dewey. It is not, however, a cause for fear that this is occurring. This is perfectly in order.

[crystl37]

I'm new to this forum but not new to Law of One. After many years of research, I find myself coming back to the same fundamental question: How does it actually work?

I will briefly summarize what I (think) I know and then frame the question in more specific terms.

1. Harvest is a process by which entities progress in the densities based on their degree of polarization.

2. Although there are circumstances unique to Earth, harvest is a common experience, taking into account the vastness of consciousness spread throughout space and time.

3. Many Wanderers are now incarnate which have previously experienced harvest from 3D.

4. There are four general post-harvest paths available to us.
a. Progression from 3D to 4D positive
b. Progression from 3D to 4D negative
c. Repeat of 3D
d. Progression from 3D into one of the higher densities

5. As linear time approaches the harvest point, the exact nature of events becomes increasingly unpredictable.

Given these data points, the question still remains of how the experience of individuals on these various tracks actually diverges. I have not been able to locate any good information on this.

I understand that specific predictions about any one individual, or humanity as a whole, are unlikely due to free will considerations. However, it would be helpful to many of us to at least have some examples of possible scenarios by which this can actually unfold.

Currently in 3D we are living in a "consensus reality" where people who will be parting ways are still living together and interacting on a daily basis.

For simplicity sake, let us consider a family of four, each which has chosen a different path. Mom is going to 4D positive. Dad to 4D negative. Daughter is repeating 3D. Son is a Wanderer returning to 5D.

What are some examples of scenarios that could unfold which allow each to follow their own path without infringing on the freewill of the others?

At some point there has to be a break. One day they all have breakfast together. The next they are off on their next adventure in consciousness.

The only obvious answer is physical death. The problem with this is that, in the big picture, it suggests some type of mass casualty event(s) and all of the credible channeled sources seem to point that no major disasters are going to occur.

So far, the most I can come up with is a response that "whatever you believe will occur, it what will happen for you" but I feel like that is evading the question.

Kind of like when highly religious people are pressed on certain logical inconsistencies in their beliefs and defer to "Well God is a mystery, and we are limited beings who can't possibly fathom that level of consciousness"

OK, fine. But that doesn't change the fact that each of us is going to have an experience which DOES match our level of consciousness.

I just think that given how common this experience of harvest is, there must be "someone" out there that can provide some examples of scenarios which explain how this all actually works from the most mundane perspective.

Any ideas or references on the matter?

15.15 Questioner: I don’t mean to ask the same question twice, but there are some areas that I consider so important that possibly a greater understanding may be obtained if the answer is restated a number of times in other words. I thank you for your patience. Yesterday, you also mentioned that when there was no harvest at the end of the last 25,000 year period, “there were harvestable entities who shall choose the manner of their entrance into the fourth density.” Could you tell me what you mean by “they shall choose the manner of their entry into the fourth density?”
Ra: I am Ra. These shepherds, or, as some have called them, the “Elder Race,” shall choose the time/space of their leaving. They are unlikely to leave until their other-selves are harvestable also.

15.16 Questioner: What do you mean by their “other-selves” being harvestable?
Ra: I am Ra. The other-selves with whom these beings are concerned are those which did not attain harvest during the second major cycle.

Ra is saying here that those who have technically graduated 3rd density, may choose to remain behind with their loved ones until they are ready for harvest.

I have listed some references which I think apply to some of your questions.

13.22 Questioner: What is the density level of our planet Earth at this time?
Ra: I am Ra. The sphere upon which you dwell is third density in its beingness of mind/body/spirit complexes. It is now in a space/time continuum, fourth density. This is causing a somewhat difficult harvest.

How does a third-density planet become a fourth density planet?
Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question.

The fourth density is, as we have said, as regularized in its approach as the striking of a clock upon the hour. The space/time of your solar system has enabled this planetary sphere to spiral into space/time of a different vibrational configuration. This causes the planetary sphere to be able to be molded by these new distortions. However, the thought-forms of your people during this transition period are such that the mind/body/spirit complexes of both individual and societies are scattered throughout the spectrum instead of becoming able to grasp the needle, shall we say, and point the compass in one direction.

Thus, the entry into the vibration of love, sometimes called by your people the vibration of understanding, is not effective with your present societal complex. Thus, the harvest shall be such that many will repeat the third-density cycle. The energies of your Wanderers, your teachers, and your adepts at this time are all bent upon increasing the harvest. However, there are few to harvest.

17.1 We are now in the fourth density. Will the effects of the fourth density increase in the next thirty years? Will we see more changes in our environment and our effect upon our environment?
Ra: I am Ra. The fourth density is a vibrational spectrum. Your time/space continuum has spiraled your planetary sphere and your, what we would call galaxy, what you call star, into this vibration. This will cause the planetary sphere itself to electromagnetically realign its vortices of reception of the in-streaming of cosmic forces expressing themselves as vibrational webs so that the Earth thus be fourth-density magnetized, as you may call it.

This is going to occur with some inconvenience, as we have said before, due to the energies of the thought-forms of your peoples which disturb the orderly constructs of energy patterns within your Earth spirals of energy which increases entropy and unusable heat. This will cause your planetary sphere to have some ruptures in its outer garment while making itself appropriately magnetized for fourth density. This is the planetary adjustment.

You will find a sharp increase in the number of people, as you call mind/body/spirit complexes, whose vibrational potentials include the potential for fourth-vibrational distortions. Thus, there will seem to be, shall we say, a new breed. These are those incarnating for fourth-density work.

There will also be a sharp increase in the short run of negatively oriented or polarized mind/body/spirit complexes and social complexes, due to the polarizing conditions of the sharp delineation between fourth-density characteristics and third-density self-service orientation.

Those who remain in fourth density upon this plane will be of the so-called positive orientation. Many will come from elsewhere, for it would appear that with all the best efforts of the Confederation, which includes those from your peoples’ inner planes, inner civilizations, and those from other dimensions, the harvest will still be much less than this planetary sphere is capable of comfortably supporting in service.

63.9 Questioner: At present we have, in third-density incarnation on this plane, those third-density entities of the planet Earth who have been here for some number of incarnations who will graduate in the three-way split, either positive polarity remaining for fourth-density experience on this planet, the negative polarity harvestable going to another planet, and the rest unharvestable third-density going to another third-density planet. In addition to these entities I am assuming that we have here some entities already harvestable from other third-density planets who have come here and have incarnated in third-density form to make the transition with this planet into fourth-density, plus Wanderers.

Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct except we may note a small point.

The positively oriented harvested entities will remain in this planetary influence but not upon this plane.

Much later in the sessions, Ra gives a different clue:

Then as the fourth-density sphere is activated there is heat energy being generated. I assume that this heat energy is generated on the third-density sphere only. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is quite correct. The experiential distortions of each dimension are discrete.


63.25 Questioner: Then at some time in the future the fourth-density sphere will be fully activated. What is the difference between full activation and partial activation for this sphere?
Ra: I am Ra. At this time the cosmic influxes are conducive to true color green core particles being formed and material of this nature thus being formed. However, there is a mixture of the yellow-ray and green-ray environments at this time necessitating the birthing of transitional mind/body/spirit complex types of energy distortions. At full activation of the true color green density of love the planetary sphere will be solid and inhabitable upon its own and the birthing that takes place will have been transformed through the process of time, shall we say, to the appropriate type of vehicle to appreciate in full the fourth-density planetary environment. At this nexus the green-ray environment exists to a far greater extent in time/space than in space/time.

63.27 Questioner: I will make this statement and have you correct me. What we have is, as our planet is spiraled by the spiraling action of the entire major galaxy and our planetary system spirals into the new position, the fourth-density vibrations becoming more and more pronounced. These atomic core vibrations begin to create, more and more completely, the fourth-density sphere and the fourth-density bodily complexes for inhabitation of that sphere. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. To be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. This creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.


63.28 Questioner: Then are these entities of whom we have spoken, the third-density harvestable who have been transferred, the ones who then will, by bisexual reproduction, create the fourth-density complexes that are necessary?

Ra: I am Ra. The influxes of true color green energy complexes will more and more create the conditions in which the atomic structure of cells of bodily complexes is that of the density of love. The mind/body/spirit complexes inhabiting these physical vehicles will be, and to some extent, are, those of whom you spoke and, as harvest is completed, the harvested entities of this planetary influence.

This sounds like a gradual process of natural reproduction resulting 4th density optimized 'vehicles'.

In the same session:

63.32 Questioner: When the third-density goes out of activation and into potentiation that will leave us with a planet that is first, second, and fourth-density. At that time there will be no activated third-density vibrations on this planet. Am I correct in assuming that all third-density vibrations on this planet now are those vibrations that compose the bodily complexes of entities such as we are; that that is the sum total of third-density vibrations on this planet at this time?

Ra: I am Ra.
To answer your query, this is incorrect only in that in addition to the mind/body/spirit complexes of third-density there are the artifacts, thought-forms, and feelings which these co-Creators have produced. This is third-density.

This is contradictory in the sense that obviously the reproductive transition of all the inhabitants of this planet, if the cycle does indeed end 2012, has not been accomplished.

What I think we need to remember, though, is that Ra may be speaking of the best case scenario according to the probabilities and possibilities at the time of the contact-30 years ago. Ra states that they are not elite, just beings farther along then we, tasked with presenting the Law of One and attempting to balance the distortion caused by earlier contact.

It seems to me that there is alot of nit-picking when it comes to the Ra material. To realize free-will as the underlying law in all distortions and densities, is to know that we can not look to the Ra material for specific answers to quell our fear, curiosity, and/or anticipation of what is to transpire. The publication of the Law of One so that it is available to those who resonate with it at this critical time in this Master Cycle began 30 of our years ago, and was not intended, as I understand it, to serve as a prediction, prophecy, premonition or to provide any information which would infringe on the free-will of entities in this incarnation.

[thefool]

Any ideas or references on the matter?

Based upon reams of threads at the Harvest Forums, there are two schools of thoughts on this forum and elsewhere-

-Gradualist (everyone gets to live their lives and it happens in an orderly fashion)
-Catastrophic (it happens in one fell swoop)

Then there are people on the fence. I keep leaning towards catastrophic but not 100% sure. so maybe count me on the fence.

There is a conscious attempt by those of Q'Uo to provide this information in a very measured and deliberate manner, so as to not scare people. Some of there information seems to contradict what Ra said. Ra was very concise and direct (I him for that) and seemed to suggest (at least to me) a catastrophic theory.

You have to be guided by your own intuition at this time and do what comes to you. Well we would know in a couple of years anyway or would we?

[unity100]

Ra didnt suggest anything catastrophic.

In the earlier quotes we made, ra said that everyone would have to go through normal process of death, for the 4th density incarnation to happen.

and they also noted, the change would happen in a normal reproduction cycle, taking a few generations (up to 150 years if im not mistaken ?) to happen.

[crystl37]

Ra didnt suggest anything catastrophic.

In the earlier quotes we made, ra said that everyone would have to go through normal process of death, for the 4th density incarnation to happen.

and they also noted, the change would happen in a normal reproduction cycle, taking a few generations (up to 150 years if im not mistaken ?) to happen.

How do we reconcile the fact that Ra also gives a specific timeline and tells of the clock-like occurence of the end of third density on planet earth, after which time as I quoted earlier, third density will cease to exist on earth. While actual catastrophe is not specified, Ra does in one passage state that if inhabitants of earth as a whole, were to realize 3rd density graduation at some point in the master cycle, the planet would suddenly be empty-though this is a highly unlikely to occur at all, least of all in our present situation.

I agree that the death as necessary in this mind body complex state is clearly stated repeatedly in the Ra material, and the Q'uo get into much more detail about 3rd and 4th densities co-existing due to our recent progress. If all this is taken literally, however, and the last harvest of the cycle is going on as we speak, and will culminate in 2012, there doesnt seem to be any way to bring these two concepts together as we seek some knowledge of what will transpire as winter solstice 2012 approaches.

In reviewing this thread, and lawofone.info on the subject, I think I have found a major clue that I previously overlooked.

It is also found in session 63.

63.8 Questioner: I would like to continue with the questions about the fact that in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc. being in potentiation. Right now, we have green energies activated. They have been activated for the last 45 years. I am wondering about the transition through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. What will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as green comes into total activation, and what is the process?

Ra: I am Ra. It is misleading to speak of gains and losses when dealing with the subject of the cycle’s ending and the green-ray cycle beginning upon your sphere. It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss. There are progressive cycles for experiential use by entities. We may now address your query.

As the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or Earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned. After this period there will come a time when third-density may again cycle on the yellow-ray sphere.

Meanwhile there is another sphere, congruent to a great extent with yellow ray, forming. This fourth-density sphere coexists with first, second, and third. It is of a denser nature due to the rotational core atomic aspects of its material. We have discussed this subject with you.

The fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth-density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth-density upon this plane.

You may note that fourth-density entities have a great abundance of compassion.

The positively oriented harvested entities will remain in this planetary influence but not upon this plane.

Perhaps there is as Ra says, another plane, developing as of the 80's when these messages were received, to which harvested fourth density beings will incarnate, and which is able to coexist with lower densities. In this may be some possible explanation of how to reconcile the contradictions pertaining to the details of harvest and end of cycle on this plane.

If the Q'uo material is integrated with the Ra sessions we may be led to think that, were the inhabitants of earth to have continued squarely on a STS path, and the polarization towards positive was less than is now being experienced, it would perhaps be impossible for 3rd and 4th density STO entities to coexist on this plane and the transition may have been of a more catastrophic nature.

One other note-I think we must be wary, when speculating on the events of 12/21/2012, or of this harvest in more general terms, that we do not attach 3rd density construct meanings to things, such as death, which from the other side of this veil, do not exist as we know them. Birth and death, beginning and end, passage of time and distance between-these are realities only in a 3rd density incarnation. Have you ever considered that maybe a mass death, or catastrophe, is not really the terrible event that evokes fear in our earthly minds.

If the inconvenience of a planet in transition becomes more unbearable than it already is to human inhabitants, would it not be a more desirable end to this master cycle, that one and all are spared from further suffering and pain. If conditions become such that most people die-I for one would not want to be one of the survivors. As wanderers, or students of the LOO, why are we on this forum so concerned with impending doom or catastrophe. Do we not possess the knowledge and understanding to face the fear of death, understand it as a necessary manipulation, a third density distortion with which we must be burdened-an instinctual urge to feed and protect these earthly vehicles in which we now reside-to keep living regardless of suffering, pain, despair or their polar opposites.

We can discuss, argue, postulate and hypothesize about these specific details forever-but there is a fact of this incarnation which we will not overcome until the cycle ends, we are veiled, we do not possess the capacity to fully comprehend life beyond this existence. We understand, we feel and experience love and light, but at the end of the day, we have to provide food and shelter for ourselves at the very least, and we will not truly know until we get there, whether it be together as earthlings, or separately as resonant families of light.
Will we be grouped by progress, by polarization, by proximity, belief, or acts. I think we take for granted the insight Ra gives us as we attempt to confine dimensional knowledge, universal law, and infinite intelligent creation into our little box of human psyche. It matters not what is at the end of the road, nor the route traveled-it is our efforts to live in love and light, and our respect of free will, in STO or STS- in our daily lives, in our spheres of influence, be they limited or far reaching. We are wanderers, we chose to be here-bad decision or not-it was a decision. To second guess it or waste energy in nonacceptance of all that exists, both the dark and the light, or to live in criticism and skepticism of that with which we do not resonate is the worst thing we can do, for the planet, for humanity, for ourselves, our Logos, and ultimately the singularity which is Creation.

[Tenet Nosce]

There is a conscious attempt by those of Q'Uo to provide this information in a very measured and deliberate manner, so as to not scare people. Some of there information seems to contradict what Ra said. Ra was very concise and direct (I him for that) and seemed to suggest (at least to me) a catastrophic theory.

Yes, the Law of One material clearly falls into the catastrophic camp. Mind you (and others) that the word 'catastrophic' may be a misnomer as I suppose some kind of rapture-like event could take place.

The material from Q'uo et al. is obviously more gradualist. At one point they say that 3D could continue on for as much as 150 years post harvest.

My concern with this is that it gives too much wiggle-room for anybody to sit there in 2013 and give all manner of "explanations" why nothing has radically changed. Timeline laterals and parallel universes can get invoked ensuring that the people can continue to get strung along.

Well we would know in a couple of years anyway or would we?

Or would we? That is the ultimate question. My feeling is that whatever happens it should be patently obvious to anybody still here post 2012 that something has changed in a major way.

Also, part of the "something" that changes is the removal of every single person who is repeating 3D or going to 4D negative from the picture. Even if that is a relatively small percentage, that is still a lot of people.

Giving the benefit of the doubt here, let's say 90% of people are headed to 4D positive. That still leaves about 700 million people who need to check out in the next 30 months.

At current death rates, roughly 180 million are expected to die between now and then. Gnaw on that one for a minute!

[Tenet Nosce]

As wanderers, or students of the LOO, why are we on this forum so concerned with impending doom or catastrophe. Do we not possess the knowledge and understanding to face the fear of death, understand it as a necessary manipulation, a third density distortion with which we must be burdened-an instinctual urge to feed and protect these earthly vehicles in which we now reside-to keep living regardless of suffering, pain, despair or their polar opposites.

I can't speak for others, but as for myself this inquiry is not motivated by a fear of death.

30-some years ago when this dialogue began, it was much easier to suspend disbelief about the end of 3D because it was so far off. Now that we are well within 3 years, I believe there are some questions which need to be addressed if this theory is going to continue to have any credibility.

We have 3 years to move through these core experiences:

1. An end to all wars, acts of terrorism, murder, and abuse.
2. Basic food and shelter for all inhabitants of earth.
3. Disclosure of the existence of other forms of intelligent life.
4. Removal of all STS and unpolarized individuals from 3D.

It just seems like a pretty tall order from this vantage point.

[Namaste]

A great discussion of options. To add a couple of things:

Dolores Cannon, a wonderful older lady who has been performing past life regressions for decades, has gathered much information. It points to a split (STS and STO).

The Hosts of Heaven call 4D+ 'Terra', and mention that consciousness 'ships' (this does not mean UFO type craft, drop any expectations here) will become 'visible' to those destined for it as and when they are ready. People will 'move to the light - and lift themselves'. They also mention that ascension is a process, and we're all going through it as we speak.

My personal viewpoint is that around the time of 2011-2012, energy effecting us will considerably boost our evolution, shifting our consciousness to a higher realm. We will not feel like we've 'died', bit will perceive the world differently, as the veil will be being lifted. We'll feel Source/God/Unity in all, really feel connected. It's possible that a lot (and I mean, a lot, of 3D incarnates will die beforehand). To the 3D that are still here for karmic reasons (remember reading that somewhere in Ra/Q'uo) they will be in a world which has 'suffered' cataclysmic events. Us 4D+ people may quite simply vanish. Not sure here, there are some conflicting quotes from Ra/Q'uo.

Remember that many channeled sources mention multiple (infinite) parallel Universes. We could all experience exactly what we expect, while others experience something else.

Whatever we experience, it will be wonderful. Treat each day as it comes, live with love and passion, and you can only draw that state of being to your circumstances.

I highly recommend 'The Span 2010 - 2015' by Bashar. In sync with The Ra Material, and seems to be talking about those for 4D+/Terra. They mention that contact will continue to be made after 2012, which is the 'quarantine date' ending. Contact by the way, means with Source/God/Unity, not necessarily mass UFO landing contacts (which will happen also).

The veil is basically the reason we have forums and discussions. Internet addicts might be bored in 4D+

[Tenet Nosce]

Having now left this thread alone for over a year, I am not sure that I have any more definitive answers.

So... in less than 18 months from now there is going to be some sort of cosmic transformative event that sweeps us all up into 4D. Somehow, someway, those who are "left behind" in 3D will fall away from our paths and a new world will be born before our very eyes.

OK. Well given that premise, how shall we spend the remainder of our time here? I have decided to lay down my causes, and enjoy life a little bit. Travel. Spend time with loved ones. Get some sun.

If all of this mumbo-jumbo is true, then I have already put out 99.99999999999% of the intention or purpose that I came here with, and so, if one more soul "slips through the cracks" oh well. Who put me in charge of that, anyway? :-/

[zenmaster]

So... in less than 18 months from now there is going to be some sort of cosmic transformative event that sweeps us all up into 4D.

Why do you say that?

[Tenet Nosce]

So... in less than 18 months from now there is going to be some sort of cosmic transformative event that sweeps us all up into 4D.

Why do you say that?

Am saying it as a proposition, according to certain predictions made by others. Notably David Wilcock, who claims that the belief is founded in the Law of One.

[Monica]

Remember that many channeled sources mention multiple (infinite) parallel Universes. We could all experience exactly what we expect, while others experience something else.

Having listened to Nassim Haramein's theories, I tend to favor this proposition.

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This thread has some excellent discussion on this:

The Harvest > 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview)

[Tenet Nosce]

This thread has some excellent discussion on this:
The Harvest > 3D to 4D: Sudden or Gradual? A great read...(David Wilcock interview)

Thanks for the link. I will try something new and read the thread in its entirety before I comment.

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LOL! I just looked at the clock and it was 12:34. I tried to update my last post reflecting that, but there was some glitch in the system and the post reply button didn't work. When I click back on the thread I notice this!


Post-harvest continuity of consciousness
05-28-2010, 12:34 PM
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Another You
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[Tenet Nosce]

This Ra quote always sticks in my mind when I feel the pull to get caught up in some sort of activism framed in the context of a 3D/4D transition:

Questioner: Is it possible by the use of some technique or other to help an entity to reach fourth-density level in these last days?

Ra: I am Ra. It is impossible to help another being directly. It is only possible to make catalyst available in whatever form, the most important being the radiation of realization of oneness with the Creator from the self, less important being information such as we share with you.

We, ourselves, do not feel an urgency for this information to be widely disseminated. It is enough that we have made it available to three, four, or five. This is extremely ample reward, for if one of these obtains fourth-density understanding due to this catalyst then we shall have fulfilled the Law of One in the distortion of service.

We encourage a dispassionate attempt to share information without concern for numbers or quick growth among others. That you attempt to make this information available is, in your terms, your service. The attempt, if it reaches one, reaches all.

We cannot offer shortcuts to enlightenment. Enlightenment is, of the moment, an opening to intelligent infinity. It can only be accomplished by the self, for the self. Another self cannot teach/learn enlightenment, but only teach/learn information, inspiration, or a sharing of love, of mystery, of the unknown that makes the other-self reach out and begin the seeking process that ends in a moment, but who can know when an entity will open the gate to the present?

[Tenet Nosce]

I'm new to this forum but not new to Law of One.

Greetings, Tenet Nosce! Welcome to the forum!

After many years of research, I find myself coming back to the same fundamental question: How does it actually work?

I too, have pondered deeply upon this, and will offer some insights. But before I do, may I suggest that you take a close look at your query, keeping this in mind:

Ra: I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

I will briefly summarize what I (think) I know and then frame the question in more specific terms.

Keyword being (think)...

1. Harvest is a process by which entities progress in the densities based on their degree of polarization.

This is incorrect. Harvest is the process by which entities are moved from one sphere of influence to another. This may, or may not, involve "progression" as you have termed it.

2. Although there are circumstances unique to Earth, harvest is a common experience, taking into account the vastness of consciousness spread throughout space and time.

Actually, we don't really know all that much beyond the bounds of our Solar Logos. Harvest may be a relatively new phenomenon in galactic terms. Such as the social memory complex, for example.

However, to respond more directly:

Ra: Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet ray emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet ray selfhood.

3. Many Wanderers are now incarnate which have previously experienced harvest from 3D.

Yes, as well as 4D, 5D and 6D. If 7D wanderers exist, I am not sure. These may be who Ra referred to as the "guardians" in the above quote:

Ra: The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained.

4. There are four general post-harvest paths available to us.
a. Progression from 3D to 4D positive
b. Progression from 3D to 4D negative
c. Repeat of 3D
d. Progression from 3D into one of the higher densities

Aside from the distortion of "progression" you appear to have the general gist of the phenomenon.

I would also offer:

e. Whatever is chosen upon contact with intelligent infinity.

Questioner: After this, what came next?

Ra: I am Ra. Awareness led to the focus of infinity into infinite energy. You have called this by various vibrational sound complexes, the most common to your ears being “Logos” or “Love.” The Creator is the focusing of infinity as an aware or conscious principle called by us as closely as we can create understanding/learning in your language, intelligent infinity.

Questioner: Can you state the next step?

Ra: I am Ra. The next step is still at this space/time nexus in your illusion achieving its progression as you may see it in your illusion. The next step is an infinite reaction to the creative principle following the Law of One in one of its primal distortions, freedom of will. Thus many, many dimensions, infinite in number, are possible. The energy moves from the intelligent infinity due first to the outpouring of randomized creative force, this then creating patterns which in holographic style appear as the entire creation no matter which direction or energy is explored. These patterns of energy begin then to regularize their own local, shall we say, rhythms and fields of energy, thus creating dimensions and universes.

Recall, there are infinite dimensions which are holographic in nature. There is One Infinite Creator which is intelligent infinity.

5. As linear time approaches the harvest point, the exact nature of events becomes increasingly unpredictable.

Two things. First, there is no such thing as "linear time". We are in hologram.

Consider, for example, the nature in which "history" tends to "repeat itself". In 2333 BC we have Sargon the Great proclaiming himself to be the "One True King". In 1333BC we have Akhenaten (recall a Ra contact here). In 333BC Alexander the Great. In 333 we have Constantine. In 1333 we have Edward III. There are countless examples you may find such as these.

In addition, we also have the "timewave" effects noted by McKenna, as well as the Mayan cycles of time as depicted by Arguelles and Calleman.

Given these data points, the question still remains of how the experience of individuals on these various tracks actually diverges. I have not been able to locate any good information on this.

Pardon, but you claim to have studied the Ra material? Perhaps you should go back and review. The answer is right there in the beginning. I think you may have many ideas swimming around in your head at one time.

This is well, and will likely be fruitful. If I may, the qualities you appear to be lacking here are humility and patience. You would do well to ponder upon this.

Here is the quote which contradicts your statement that "I have not been able to locate any good information on this."

Ra: I am Ra. The steps, as you call them, are, at the point of question, simultaneous and infinite.

I understand that specific predictions about any one individual, or humanity as a whole, are unlikely due to free will considerations.

Obviously.

However, it would be helpful to many of us to at least have some examples of possible scenarios by which this can actually unfold.

Pardon me, but I beg to differ. "Scenarios" as you would call them would be a hindrance, not a help.

Currently in 3D we are living in a "consensus reality" where people who will be parting ways are still living together and interacting on a daily basis.

Incorrect. We simultaneously among all densities and infinite dimensions.

Ra: I am Ra. We refrain from speaking of correctness due to our understanding of the immense difficulty of absorbing the concepts of metaphysical existence. In time/space, which is precisely as much of your self as is space/time, all times are simultaneous just as, in your geography, your cities and villages are all functioning, bustling, and alive with entities going about their business at once. So it is in time/space with the self.

For simplicity sake, let us consider a family of four, each which has chosen a different path. Mom is going to 4D positive. Dad to 4D negative. Daughter is repeating 3D. Son is a Wanderer returning to 5D.

This consideration is hardly simple, and is in fact highly unlikely.

What are some examples of scenarios that could unfold which allow each to follow their own path without infringing on the freewill of the others?

See above.

At some point there has to be a break.

There are breaks at every point. Ponder upon this.

One day they all have breakfast together. The next they are off on their next adventure in consciousness.

Sounds just like any other day to me.

The only obvious answer is physical death.

The only obvious answer to what? You appear to have a hidden "question" here.

The problem with this is that, in the big picture, it suggests some type of mass casualty event(s) and all of the credible channeled sources seem to point that no major disasters are going to occur.

In the "Big Picture" all is well and there are no problems.

So far, the most I can come up with is a response that "whatever you believe will occur, it what will happen for you" but I feel like that is evading the question.

Again, what question? And again, how would that be different from any other day?

Kind of like when highly religious people are pressed on certain logical inconsistencies in their beliefs and defer to "Well God is a mystery, and we are limited beings who can't possibly fathom that level of consciousness"

It sounds to me like those people have acquired a bit of wisdom.

OK, fine.

Fine.

But that doesn't change the fact that each of us is going to have an experience which DOES match our level of consciousness.

Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet ray emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet ray selfhood.

In other words, there is nothing you can "do" about it. So you might as well enjoy the ride!

I just think that given how common this experience of harvest is, there must be "someone" out there that can provide some examples of scenarios which explain how this all actually works from the most mundane perspective.

Ra: I am Ra. We communicate now. We, too, have our place. We are not those of the Love or of the Light. We are those who are of the Law of One. In our vibration the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solution. We are one. That is our nature and our purpose.

We are old upon your planet and have served with varying degrees of success in transmitting the Law of One, of Unity, of Singleness to your peoples. We have walked your earth. We have seen the faces of your peoples. This is not so with many of the entities of the Confederation. We found it was not efficaceous. However, we then felt the great responsibility of staying in the capacity of removing the distortions and powers that had been given to the Law of One. We will continue in this until your, shall we say, cycle is appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next. We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times.

Does this give you enough information from which to extract our purpose, my brother?

Any ideas or references on the matter?

In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One.

May we enunciate this law in more detail?

[Conifer16]

?????

Why are you talking to yourself? Are you sending information back through time using the focus of your prior posts as reference points? Otherwise I don't get it. Please enlighten me.

Thanks,
Conifer16
Adonai Vasu Borragus

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I just went back to the beginning of this thread and am now even more confused. Why did you change your post and again why are you talking to yourself? My curiosity has been piqued.

[3DMonkey]

Accomplishing expectations by self. 'No one can do it like I can'

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Currently in 3D we are living in a "consensus reality" where people who will be parting ways are still living together and interacting on a daily basis.

Incorrect. We simultaneously among all densities and infinite dimensions.

Ra: I am Ra. We refrain from speaking of correctness due to our understanding of the immense difficulty of absorbing the concepts of metaphysical existence. In time/space, which is precisely as much of your self as is space/time, all times are simultaneous just as, in your geography, your cities and villages are all functioning, bustling, and alive with entities going about their business at once. So it is in time/space with the self.

For simplicity sake, let us consider a family of four, each which has chosen a different path. Mom is going to 4D positive. Dad to 4D negative. Daughter is repeating 3D. Son is a Wanderer returning to 5D.

This consideration is hardly simple, and is in fact highly unlikely.

What are some examples of scenarios that could unfold which allow each to follow their own path without infringing on the freewill of the others?

See above.

At some point there has to be a break.

There are breaks at every point. Ponder upon this.

One day they all have breakfast together. The next they are off on their next adventure in consciousness.

Sounds just like any other day to me.

The only obvious answer is physical death.

The only obvious answer to what? You appear to have a hidden "question" here.

The problem with this is that, in the big picture, it suggests some type of mass casualty event(s) and all of the credible channeled sources seem to point that no major disasters are going to occur.

In the "Big Picture" all is well and there are no problems.

So far, the most I can come up with is a response that "whatever you believe will occur, it what will happen for you" but I feel like that is evading the question.

Again, what question? And again, how would that be different from any other day?

Wonderful. Obviously, this conversation occurred simultaneously. Good work. Love.

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I think my favorite part of the conversation is this: "Sounds just like any other day to me."

[βαθμιαίος]

I'm new to this forum but not new to Law of One.

Greetings, Tenet Nosce! Welcome to the forum!

LOL! You finally found someone who can answer all your questions.

[native]

Yes, lol glad to hear it. In the end the self always does the hard work in realizing the answer.

[Sagittarius]

This thread made my day. Cheers

[Cyan]

You're both wrong,

But since so am I for talking, i'm not going to give you the answer.