New Bob Dean interview - Required viewing!

[native]

....I was simply trying to point out that disclosure as it is happening now (these people coming forward) is healthy in the sense that it allows for more acceptance of the mystery without really validating anything, except that many people who we might trust to recognize normal phenomenon in our skies experience abnormal, unexplainable phenomenon.

Ah I see what you mean..I would agree with that.

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'Disclosure' is just another allegory of people trying to know themselves in an unconscious manner. Society or the collective unconscious becomes the (slow) vehicle of discovery when the self is ignored.

That's a good point..never thought of it that way. It seems we want to jump ahead without working on the self. But truthfully, those pushing for full disclosure are a minority. Why do their needs have to be satisfied at the expense of the majority? Even when they are already convinced of the truth? There are many reasons for this such as free energy and how that would help the planet. I agree with that..it would be nice if limited technology could be rolled out.

There is too much separation between ourselves to be focusing on fully revealing ET existence to the world at this moment. I support increasing awareness and openness, but what many ultimately need to work on is love and understanding. For those that are ready, they can explore the deeper implications behind the mystery of ET's, but it seems we're not there as a collective yet.

[3DMonkey]

Q'uo. May 17, 1992.

"...The subconscious is coy, hidden and not always immediately responsive. The first feminine characteristic, therefore, of the conscious mind’s learning is patience. There is the reaching, but not the immediate grasping, not the rapid, obvious success, but the long, patient, tender courtship of these qualities within which are lighter, freer and more wise than conscious plodding thought. How difficult it is to be patient, how weary one is of the waiting. At this point the second feminine quality is evoked by need, that is, the faith that patience is deserved and appropriate. Faith is a fruit of the wisdom within the spiritual self of the deep mind, yet it cannot be reached except by faith...."



"...In either case, only so much can be affected by any means of communication. Entities which wish to be dependent will simply choose to be dependent. In those situations it is well to know the self well and to protect the self as if from the biting insect. The repellent is thought, a simple thought that catalysts are only that, that responsibility cannot be taken, that much as one would like sometimes to have effects upon others, one’s work is always with the self. Dwelling in this realization, giving thanks for it, and praising the infinite One for the harmony and resonance of this aspect of the Creator’s universe seats one in this fluid thought, marinates one in the precious well of self-knowledge. The limits are here and here, this is peacefully affirmed and known, and like balm upon the skin which insects will not choose to taste, so do the hungry dependencies of students find themselves unable to fasten upon you."

[native]

I see you have been taking your own advice and reading Q'uo There is too much to catch up on!

[3DMonkey]

I see you have been taking your own advice and reading Q'uo There is too much to catch up on!

It's very cool to read Q'uo and realize they are explaining the same conclusion that we come up with through our discussions or whatever. Knowing it is from past sessions, and that we came to the same understanding through our own intuition and reasoning before reading it, is very satisfying.

[native]

Yes, it is nice to have affirmation.

My biggest issue with those pushing for full disclosure and talking about secret agendas or how we have been brainwashed as to the true nature of the self implies that negative beings are somehow in control of everything. People are always blaming the power structure. This is victim consciousness and doesn't take on any self-responsibility. People are well aware of how they are getting screwed over in every way yet they are complacent, which seems to be the result of programming. I admit that there is a heavy negative influence, but people simply have to organize and make an effort to change things. It takes a lot of hard work, but in the general sense we could easily move things in a positive direction.

We still have to learn how to love each other and come together, yet people want to jump ahead, invoke victim consciousness, and demand truth. The truth is there, everyone sees it but they do nothing about it. And so it is, we continue to sit on the fence. So as more and more make the choice a swing will come. This really isn't an ET issue at all..there is a lot of work on the self to be done.

[3DMonkey]

The victim perspective is the same as the fight back perspective which fuel the STS path, for the individual first and this contributes to the collective. STS 3Ds are just as clueless as the rest of us.

The best way to contribute Love to the collective is to be love. The requires, first and foremost, acceptance.

[native]

Yes! Victim consciousness invokes separation..that there is a force outside of us in control. Manipulation requires participation, so we can take control if we are ready to accept the responsibility of working for it. Ultimately the state we are in exists because we let it be this way.

[native]

Bump!

[3DMonkey]

LMAO

Did your past self see your future self performing this act of kindness?

[native]

Something like that

[native]

I was watching this again a few days ago..fast forward to 1:08:55.

He speaks of life as being part of a play, how we act on a stage for others to watch, and that there is an author. Perhaps he is referring to our Sun Logos as the author. I thought his comments were interesting in retrospect of having read Ra's parting words in 104..

"We leave you in appreciation of the circumstances of the great illusion in which you now choose to play the pipe and timbrel and move in rhythm. We are also players upon a stage. The stage changes. The acts ring down. The lights come up once again. And throughout the grand illusion and the following and the following there is the undergirding majesty of the One Infinite Creator."

[zenmaster]

Living on a lighted stage
Approaches the unreal
For those who think and feel
In touch with some reality
Beyond the gilded cage

Cast in this unlikely role
Ill-equipped to act
With insufficient tact
One must put up barriers
To keep oneself intact

[Chorus:]
Living in the limelight
The universal dream
For those who wish to seem
Those who wish to be
Must put aside the alienation
Get on with the fascination
The real relation
The underlying theme

Living in a fish eye lens
Caught in the camera eye
I have no heart to lie
I can't pretend a stranger
Is a long-awaited friend

All the world's indeed a stage
And we are merely players
Performers and portrayers
Each another's audience
Outside the gilded cage

[Chorus]

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All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
And then the whining school-boy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side,
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.

[native]

Ha..maybe Carla was a Rush fan.

[yossarian]

Most people still unquestioningly believe the mainstream media.

You can make these people believe just about anything if the MSM wants them to. So how relevant is disclosure if it's just a bunch of sheep blindly believing whatever the media says?

The MSM tells them aliens exist and they just swallow. The MSM says aliens don't exist and they swallow that. Their reality is literally defined by the MSM. Disclosure is not very relevant, their minds are enslaved one way or another.

[3DMonkey]

Most people still unquestioningly believe the mainstream media.

You can make these people believe just about anything if the MSM wants them to. So how relevant is disclosure if it's just a bunch of sheep blindly believing whatever the media says?

The MSM tells them aliens exist and they just swallow. The MSM says aliens don't exist and they swallow that. Their reality is literally defined by the MSM. Disclosure is not very relevant, their minds are enslaved one way or another.

I've noticed this too. I'm not so much worried about enslavement, but disclosure coming from the media. If we believe that powers influence all media for personal gain, then it can't be trusted. And if we are not trusting the media, then we can't trust it even if it is telling us what we want to hear.

It's kinda funny if we think about it. We run into the same social issues with news "belief" as we do with religious "belief". Technically, the news on the television is for entertainment. When we then approach others on a one to one basis, we find ourselves struggling with this entertainment being taken literally, as if what a leader said in a speech today affected us directly.

[yossarian]

Most people still unquestioningly believe the mainstream media.

You can make these people believe just about anything if the MSM wants them to. So how relevant is disclosure if it's just a bunch of sheep blindly believing whatever the media says?

The MSM tells them aliens exist and they just swallow. The MSM says aliens don't exist and they swallow that. Their reality is literally defined by the MSM. Disclosure is not very relevant, their minds are enslaved one way or another.

I've noticed this too. I'm not so much worried about enslavement, but disclosure coming from the media. If we believe that powers influence all media for personal gain, then it can't be trusted. And if we are not trusting the media, then we can't trust it even if it is telling us what we want to hear.

It's kinda funny if we think about it. We run into the same social issues with news "belief" as we do with religious "belief". Technically, the news on the television is for entertainment. When we then approach others on a one to one basis, we find ourselves struggling with this entertainment being taken literally, as if what a leader said in a speech today affected us directly.

Religious belief is identical to "media belief". The nightly news anchors are the high priests and people get to choose what to believe by choosing which of the 3 or 4 high priests they will listen to.

There is no psychological or functional difference between the talking heads on TV and the talking heads at the pulpit who used to define reality for everyone. Instead of having reality be either protestant or catholic, now reality is either scientism or some collection of vague superstitions picked up from watching Psychic Detectives.

[3DMonkey]

Availability of media makes it much easier to live inside our own bubble, our created world. It's nice while it lasts.

Reality is when we communicate and share our bubbles.

[native]

Yes, so I can't see disclosure happening on any other level than the personal level at the moment. Even after that happens there remains a lot of personal work that needs attention. I'm not sure if mass disclosure will even happen in our lifetime.

[Oceania]

disclosure is irrelevant. people have to think with their brain. not just use it to tune in.

[3DMonkey]

Yes, so I can't see disclosure happening on any other level than the personal level at the moment. Even after that happens there remains a lot of personal work that needs attention. I'm not sure if mass disclosure will even happen in our lifetime.

What is an example of mass anything happening?

Walk on the moon?

Emancipation Proclamation?

Flight?

Plumbing?

Do any of these count as an example?

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disclosure is irrelevant. people have to think with their brain. not just use it to tune in.

You just made all my hours of meditation useless

[apeiron]

Don't understand. Was not the Ra Material proper disclosure. And, are not we to understand by their examples about Egypt and being treated as deities, by the teachings about densities, that a planetary disclosure is not productive? Moreover, was not the quarantine created to prevent this? What kind of "disclosure" is being talking about? What kinda of disclosure can occur without revealing the metaphysical reasons?

[3DMonkey]

Mostly, "disclosure" is the elimination of mystery. Wood burns- there is no mystery there. Extraterrestrials walk on earth- full of mystery. Ghosts are real- mysterious. Ocean water is salty- no mystery. The salty sea has been "disclosed". Ghosts have not been.

[native]

What is an example of mass anything happening?

Can't say that I know. It will probably just become an accepted part of the culture over time. That would involve personal experience and insight/revelation. It's the most natural way. Perhaps more public sightings years down the road. Then of course we have the development of fourth density consciousness, which will give rise to all sorts of new happenings and insights.

I don't see there being any kind of announcement. It's a really stupid backward approach from the viewpoint of the Confederation when you think about it. Why should the truth be controlled or revealed through the hierarchical structures?

You and I know they exist because we're capable of handling it. It doesn't matter that the official answer is "They don't exist". Disclosure seems to be a personal revelation. The "cover-up" is really irrelevant, and perhaps Bob Dean is right in saying that the hierarchy has no say as to the when and how.

There was a quote by Ra where they mention that there is often a process, involving the discovery of life or a past civilization on another planet..something like that. I think finding something on Mars in the years to come is a possibility.

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Was not the Ra Material proper disclosure.

It seems pretty effective.

What kind of "disclosure" is being talking about?

Well in the previous pages some of us agree that it happens on a personal level.

[apeiron]

the problem is the armaggedon going on. orion vs the confederation, then disclosure no only entails disclosure per se but many more things, like energy solutions, not to mention about spirituality, philosophy, etc. It seems that will not occur, It probably does not occur in mixed planets like this one and one has to wait until 4th density is firmly in place.

[Oceania]

channeling is not the same thing.

[native]

the problem is the armaggedon going on. orion vs the confederation, then disclosure no only entails disclosure per se but many more things, like energy solutions, not to mention about spirituality, philosophy, etc. It seems that will not occur, It probably does not occur in mixed planets like this one and one has to wait until 4th density is firmly in place.

What do you mean by armaggedon?

[Oceania]

the destruction of the planet.

[native]

Mostly, "disclosure" is the elimination of mystery. Wood burns- there is no mystery there. Extraterrestrials walk on earth- full of mystery. Ghosts are real- mysterious. Ocean water is salty- no mystery. The salty sea has been "disclosed". Ghosts have not been.

Tide comes in, tide goes out. No mystery.

http://youtu.be/--es4FGwKQg

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the destruction of the planet.

I think he's talking about something else.

[apeiron]

Mostly, "disclosure" is the elimination of mystery. Wood burns- there is no mystery there. Extraterrestrials walk on earth- full of mystery. Ghosts are real- mysterious. Ocean water is salty- no mystery. The salty sea has been "disclosed". Ghosts have not been.

Tide comes in, tide goes out. No mystery.

http://youtu.be/--es4FGwKQg

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the destruction of the planet.

I think he's talking about something else.

Well hopefully it won't be the destruction of the planet. No, I was not referring to that, but to the armaggedon that it has been occurring since pretty much this planet started 3d life. Armaggedon: Orion vs Confederation.

Mostly 4d's.

Destruction of the planet no, since Ra gave this planet to be a 4d positive a certainty if that is "possible".

However, as I mentioned before, Ra says that the increase in yellow negative and green positive (obvious) is a preliminary, and those who remain will be 4d positive.

What really this means I don't know.

[native]

It's possible the increase in negative polarization has been going on for awhile, because I'm not sure that it solely involves those who are hell-bent on becoming 95%, rather those who simply have not yet seen the value of positive service and instead focus on themselves and self-achievement. You can see this in those who are complacent to the conditions which surround them, and those who live the indulgent lifestyle. High paid athletes, celebrities, extremely successful businessmen..even the average middle class person tends to have a lot of self-importance while ignoring the issues around them. Not that self-achievement is a bad thing, but if this is the last opportunity to polarize and the life path you've programmed for yourself points towards self-indulgence, that must be an indication of something.