Electrical Bodies

[Bring4th_Austin]

This is an incredibly interesting debate going on. I want to thank all participating and hope that no one is getting too frustrated in expressing their opinions on the matter. Both sides have been helpful for me. I find an ironic twist of humor, seeing the emotional responses discussing the nature of emotions.

In the case of emotional reactions, I have always viewed them as a catalytic mechanism to help balancing. It's a simple technique described by Ra. Throughout the day, I let my emotions flow as freely as possible (of course we have limits in our society). At the end of the day I enter into meditative contemplation. I go through my day in my head, taking note of each emotional reaction, good or bad. I find the emotion, determine whether it is an overactive or blocked chakra, and I work from there. Ra themselves say a balanced individual would not have emotional responses to emotionally charged situations. A balanced STO entity would be able to experience whatever is happening without emotional response, and choose the best way to serve others in the moment with minimal emotional distortion.

I believe the main point Zenmaster is trying to get across is that we, as 3D beings, have a great tool for searching for love within our emotions, but the emotion we describe as love and the actual nature of love are not the same. Indeed as 3D beings, we may only have the emotion to follow. But to me, understanding where emotion comes from as Zen is trying to explain here, is extremely useful for balancing, and thus is extremely useful in fulfilling my service on this planet.

It would be worth noting that, in my opinion, 4D beings are probably not balanced for the most part.

[hogey11]

@Edinburgh

Thank you for sharing! Your words resonate very strongly for me.

My path has been very similar to you. Raised staunchly religious, I went into university thinking GW Bush was a good, Christian man ™ and that War was a necessary evil. 5 years later, I had lost a best friend in his sleep, smoked a LOT of cannabis, and taken high level theology courses at university, and have a whole new set of problems

The point is that if I have grown in any way over the last 5 years, it has been in compassion. That is probably the best word for it, and I'm sorry I didn't use it before...


@abridgetoofar
I'm on board with everything you are saying, and I thank you for giving me more insight on the camp where zenmaster is most likely coming from. I think you hit the nail on the head with this tho:

It would be worth noting that, in my opinion, 4D beings are probably not balanced for the most part.

I'd expect that as we are in transition and both the yellow and green spheres are in activation, such things might feel out of balance. Not only are we dealing with new energies, but we have to learn to shield ourselves from the confusion of the yellow sphere.

In the "Nature of Dual Activated Body" thread, I linked a post from Discovery that says the Sun is emitting a new particle of energy, and that this energy has been making radioactive decay rates speed up on earth. Further studies are actually implying that this new particle of energy is actually mutating matter. Scientists think it might be activating dormant DNA, and causing new behaviors for potentially everything on earth.

So lets put this through the machine:

We have 3D and 3D/4D as a majority (very few 4D) prior to harvest.
As this new energy hits the earth, transitional bodies start to 'change' over time;
-new DNA activates
-the body mutates into the 4D vessel
-3D physical complexes have a difficult time dealing with the higher levels of radiation without the new DNA/body complexes held by transitionals and die out over their lifespans, as the new 4D beings build the new world and start to work on the social memory complex.

Will this be accompanied by a 'death' of sorts? possibly/probably. However, 4D birth does not include the veil, so ascension to 4D may not take much time between incarnations, if any time at all.

Any thoughts?

[3DMonkey]

@abridgetoofar

Your application is useful and I am happy you have it.

Ra does not say you should not have an emotional response. Ra says there are two ways to express emotional experience. What you are doing is addressing your experiences and applying them in such a way as to achieve acceptance.

To get all technical (because I'm excited that we may be discussing archetypes soon ;-) ), I will use the exchange between Edinburgh and myself.
My conscious (mind matrix) drew from the unconscious (mind potentiator) in order to read his words (catalyst). I then had these three working in unison creating experience. I experienced many facets at once- stemming from these three. One facet of experience involved the emotion of sadness. I then chose to work with these four together is way to accept it for what it is, and this action led to a form, a significance.

This occured in all; the mind, body, and spirit.

As the body goes, it began with an active vibration (body matrix) which takes form by wisdom (body potentiator) and then interacted with the computer screen (catalyst) and was experienced with the brains natural and acquired reactive responses and then became significant as higher blood pressure and a pit in my stomach.

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I know my words didn't convey all the details, because I'm afraid too many words lose interest.

The main purpose is that "emotion" is not the body "feeling" by itself. Emotion is part of experience for mind and body and spirit. Although spirit is mostly a time/space thing and therefore mostly a mystery.

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@hogey11
my thoughts.... "INTENSE". Hahahahaha. I'm on board with what your getting at. Intense. This universe, this solar system, this earth, sooooo big. Intense.

[Edinburgh]

@Edinburgh

Thank you for sharing! Your words resonate very strongly for me.

Your're welcome. Glad you could relate to what I meant.

We have 3D and 3D/4D as a majority (very few 4D) prior to harvest.
As this new energy hits the earth, transitional bodies start to 'change' over time;
-new DNA activates
-the body mutates into the 4D vessel
-3D physical complexes have a difficult time dealing with the higher levels of radiation without the new DNA/body complexes held by transitionals and die out over their lifespans, as the new 4D beings build the new world and start to work on the social memory complex.

Will this be accompanied by a 'death' of sorts? possibly/probably. However, 4D birth does not include the veil, so ascension to 4D may not take much time between incarnations, if any time at all.

Any thoughts?

It's very similar to what I had been thinking. I also saw the article you mentioned about the new type of particle coming from the sun.

Ra did state that 4D entities would be birthed by entities that would be able to do so. That would imply we would have changed in some way, through a changed DNA. Some 3D entities would be needed to do this. Would they be dual bodied, or 'regular' 3D?

Also, there was that huge crop circle recently that seemed to show man changing or evolving, to become something new, different. The visual metaphor was man changing to a butterfly.

I feel that helpful entities are giving us these clues to let us know that there is a positive future possible, not only the fear based one currently believed in by the majority.



Quite amazingly Bruce Lipton, who studies evolutionary biology had published a book before the crop circle appeared, with the same concept. Are Federation friends nearby, watching us, guiding us? YES!!

One facet of experience involved the emotion of sadness.

Sorry again brother. I not only damaged your aura, but I also muddied mine.

[Bring4th_Austin]

@abridgetoofar

Ra does not say you should not have an emotional response. Ra says there are two ways to express emotional experience. What you are doing is addressing your experiences and applying them in such a way as to achieve acceptance.

Ra never says we should or shouldn't do or have anything. I am referring to what Ra says about a balanced entity. Not all may be striving for balance. I am. Here are Ra's words:

42.8 Questioner: What is the difference in terms of energy center activation between a person who represses emotional responses to emotionally charged situations and the person who is balanced and, therefore, truly unswayed by emotionally charged situations?
Ra: I am Ra. This query contains an incorrect assumption. To the truly balanced entity no situation would be emotionally charged.

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To get all technical (because I'm excited that we may be discussing archetypes soon ;-) ), I will use the exchange between Edinburgh and myself.
My conscious (mind matrix) drew from the unconscious (mind potentiator) in order to read his words (catalyst). I then had these three working in unison creating experience. I experienced many facets at once- stemming from these three. One facet of experience involved the emotion of sadness. I then chose to work with these four together is way to accept it for what it is, and this action led to a form, a significance.

This occured in all; the mind, body, and spirit.

As the body goes, it began with an active vibration (body matrix) which takes form by wisdom (body potentiator) and then interacted with the computer screen (catalyst) and was experienced with the brains natural and acquired reactive responses and then became significant as higher blood pressure and a pit in my stomach.

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I know my words didn't convey all the details, because I'm afraid too many words lose interest.

The main purpose is that "emotion" is not the body "feeling" by itself. Emotion is part of experience for mind and body and spirit. Although spirit is mostly a time/space thing and therefore mostly a mystery.

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This is a well displayed example, thank you for breaking it down into archetypal significance.

Is your experience of sadness not an emotional charge? Is it not the result of previous biases and beliefs?

Where do you classify these biases and beliefs as far as archetypes go? (Serious question, I'd love to ponder your response.)

You can find the Creator in the sadness you felt. You could also find the Creator in an opposite (happy) reaction to the same catalyst. You can hold on to these emotions, essentially holding on to the biases and beliefs that created them, and still search for, find, and express the Creator. You are very right, emotions exist, and they provide experience.

But if one is striving for balance, emotions are the greatest tool we have. As I said, an STO entity will allow these emotions to flow freely without calculation or contemplation. Raw emotion is the greatest indicator of our imbalances. Using it, we can find these imbalances, and bring ourselves to a neutral emotional state, rather than a charged state, and experience and express life (the Creator) with minimal distortion.

[hogey11]

What if the rules of emotion and 'balance' are changing tho?

What if yellow ray balancing has no use or benefit for a transitional body/entity? What if the point is to give in to this new 4D way of thinking completely to activate the 'more electrical' body complex?

If we are moving to a new sphere shortly, or if that sphere has activated already, I think we can expect some "rule changes" in the game we call life... What will they be and how should we respond to them?

[native]

What if the point is to give in to this new 4D way of thinking completely to activate the 'more electrical' body complex?

Good point. Each of us will feel differently about this topic. A lot of the 4d distortions are unwise when viewed with wisdom, but in 4d they are necessary to experience and learn.

Whatever someone feels on this subject is right for them. We are all on different points of the same path.

[Bring4th_Austin]

What if the rules of emotion and 'balance' are changing tho?

What if yellow ray balancing has no use or benefit for a transitional body/entity? What if the point is to give in to this new 4D way of thinking completely to activate the 'more electrical' body complex?

If we are moving to a new sphere shortly, or if that sphere has activated already, I think we can expect some "rule changes" in the game we call life... What will they be and how should we respond to them?

That seems to be a "what if" that will be left up to speculation. Like I said, I don't believe most 4D beings are balanced. Also, I would like to point out, that the 4D body is already activated in dual bodies. There is nothing we need to do to consciously activate this. The conscious effort would be in making the most efficient use of 4D vibrations, taking advantage of the already activated 4D body.

But the way I personally use balance I feel is beneficial to my own role in transition. The point is not to abandon STO polarity to stand in the middle. The point is to stand in the middle in everything experienced, and consciously choose the perceived STO option.

One of my favorite exchanges between Don and Ra:

54.16 Questioner: Let me make an analogy that I have just thought of. A seven-stringed musical instrument may be played by deflecting each string a full deflection and releasing it producing notes. Instead of producing the notes this way the individual creative personality could deflect each string the proper amount in the proper sequence producing music. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. In the balanced individual the energies lie waiting for the hand of the Creator to pluck harmony.

[3DMonkey]

@ abridgetoofar (i'm 4 posts behind)
sTO is not chosen by freeing he flow. One must choose to direct the flow instreaming.

I don't think raw emotion is an indicator of imbalance. Balance is between space/t and time/s as well as between each complex. "the truly balanced entity" seems like a Ra Literalism meaning a m/b/s totality.

The archetypes are for 3D work. We are all in this 3D no matter how "balanced" we think we can get.

All I'm saying is that emotion is part of our work. Not to be overcome, but to be applied. Also, I want to expand the myopic view of emotion that zen portrays.

[Bring4th_Austin]

3DM, I am curious on your take of beliefs and biases within the archetypal system. Where do you feel these would lie? I am asking because you have a firmer grasp on archetypes than I. I would never argue that the archetypes aren't useful for balanced or unbalanced entities. I should also point out that balancing is a life-long journey, and it isn't accomplished within 3D existence. Rather, what I am touching at here is what emotions tell us about our balance and our chakras, and how imbalances affect the emotions we feel.

I may have misspoke concerning the absence of emotion.

When I speak of a “neutral emotional state,” I mean a vibration as close to the Creator’s as we can get. The neutral state is not void, it is what may be called “universal love.” However, to know whether the love you feel is “universal” or not takes dedicated conscious balancing.

15.9 Questioner: Can you tell me a little more about the word, “balancing,” as we are using it?
Ra: I am Ra. Picture, if you will, the One Infinite. You have no picture. Thus, the process begins. Love creating light, becoming love/light, streams into the planetary sphere according to the electromagnetic web of points or nexi of entrance. These streamings are then available to the individual who, like the planet, is a web of electromagnetic energy fields with points or nexi of entrance.

In a balanced individual each energy center is balanced and functioning brightly and fully. The blockages of your planetary sphere cause some distortion of intelligent energy. The blockages of the mind/body/spirit complex further distort or unbalance this energy. There is one energy. It may be understood as love/light or light/love or intelligent energy.

At the heart of every emotion is love/light, light/love, intelligent energy. It may be folly to say a balanced entity does not experience emotion; it experiences one emotion, and that is the emotion we equate with love. Our emotions are tools to bring us back to this root source.

42.3 Questioner: Would a perfectly balanced entity feel any emotional response in being attacked by the other-self?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. The response is love.
42.4 Questioner: In the illusion that we now experience it is difficult to maintain this response especially if the attack results in physical pain, but I assume that this response should be maintained even through physical pain or loss of life. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and further is of a major or principle importance in understanding, shall we say, the principle of balance. Balance is not indifference but rather the observer not blinded by any feelings of separation but rather fully imbued with love.

As I said, the goal is to stand in the middle, free from distorted emotions, to perceive the situation without distortion.

42.9 Questioner: How can a person know when he is unswayed by an emotionally charged situation or if he is repressing the flow of emotions, or if he is in balance and truly unswayed?
Ra: I am Ra. We have spoken to this point. Therefore, we shall briefly iterate that to the balanced entity no situation has an emotional charge but is simply a situation like any other in which the entity may or may not observe an opportunity to be of service. The closer an entity comes to this attitude the closer an entity is to balance. You may note that it is not our recommendation that reactions to catalyst be repressed or suppressed unless such reactions would be a stumbling block not consonant with the Law of One to an other-self. It is far, far better to allow the experience to express itself in order that the entity may then make fuller use of this catalyst.

To me, this means that the flow of emotions should be free. You should not repress certain emotions or parts of emotions to “direct” the energy, but rather experience the emotion, balance it through contemplation, and then there is only one emotion left to work with when the situation may arise again: love.


But we cannot assume love and compassion are innately balanced.

85.16 Questioner: I have a question here from (name). It states: “As we see compassion developing in ourselves is it more appropriate to balance this compassion with wisdom or to allow the compassion to develop as much as possible without being balanced”?
Ra: I am Ra. This query borders upon that type of question to which answers are unavailable due to the free-will prohibitions upon information from teach/learners.

To the student of the balancing process we may suggest that the most stringent honesty be applied. As compassion is perceived it is suggested that, in balancing, this perception be analyzed. It may take many, many essays into compassion before true universal love is the product of the attempted opening and crystallization of this all-important springboard energy center. Thus the student may discover many other components to what may seem to be all-embracing love. Each of these components may be balanced and accepted as part of the self and as transitional material as the entity’s seat of learn/teaching moves ever more clearly into the green ray.

When it is perceived that universal love has been achieved the next balancing may or may not be wisdom. If the adept is balancing manifestations it is indeed appropriate to balance universal love and wisdom. If the balancing is of mind or spirit there are many subtleties to which the adept may give careful consideration. Love and wisdom, like love and light, are not black and white, shall we say, but faces of the same coin, if you will. Therefore, it is not, in all cases, that balancing consists of a movement from compassion to wisdom.

We may suggest at all times the constant remembrance of the density from which each adept desires to move. This density learns the lessons of love. In the case of Wanderers there are half-forgotten overlays of other lessons and other densities. We shall leave these considerations with the questioner and invite observations which we shall then be most happy to respond to in what may seem to be a more effectual manner.

There are more Ra exchanges as well as Q'uo sessions on balancing which I would be happy to continue discussing. My belief that emotions are balancing tools...or as Zen said, the most obvious catalyst...comes from my understanding of Ra and Q'uo material.

I feel I should say it again though: Not all strive for balance. Not all take the same from Ra's words as I do. Not all put faith in Ra's words. These are my views on emotion.

[3DMonkey]

Beliefs and biases. Hmmmm.

These, I think, would be the interplay between conscious and unconscious, or matrix and potentiator. The unconscious being a vast sea of The One in which conscious dips into.

Too cryptic? It's difficult to stretch it out without making a mistake along the way.... The mind sets out in thought to "dip" into what it doesn't know, and it doesn't know alot. Biases would be what this incarnation has provided or prevented regarding the play between conscious and unconscious for the needed development. Beliefs would be what our consciousness has explored in the unconscious sea within this incarnation.

Yes??? Questions? Concerns?

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Austin, you sound like you have a great handle on the emotion situation.

All I'm doing is breaking it down a bit more. I like doing this, but I don't think it's necessary.

[Edinburgh]

To me, this means that the flow of emotions should be free. You should not repress certain emotions or parts of emotions to “direct” the energy, but rather experience the emotion, balance it through contemplation, and then there is only one emotion left to work with when the situation may arise again: love.

This makes sense to me as well. And it is very close to what Ra seems to be saying.

I might say the process is: the emotional response via catalyst -> then the meditation and balancing -> the lesson is learnt -> love is achieved.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Beliefs and biases. Hmmmm.

These, I think, would be the interplay between conscious and unconscious, or matrix and potentiator. The unconscious being a vast sea of The One in which conscious dips into.

Too cryptic? It's difficult to stretch it out without making a mistake along the way.... The mind sets out in thought to "dip" into what it doesn't know, and it doesn't know alot. Biases would be what this incarnation has provided or prevented regarding the play between conscious and unconscious for the needed development. Beliefs would be what our consciousness has explored in the unconscious sea within this incarnation.

Yes??? Questions? Concerns?

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Austin, you sound like you have a great handle on the emotion situation.

All I'm doing is breaking it down a bit more. I like doing this, but I don't think it's necessary.

Thank you 3DM. I'm sorry for trying to shove emotions into the Ra box and throw it at you. You've pointed out before that things go far beyond Ra's words. I would do well to remember that sometimes.

To me, this means that the flow of emotions should be free. You should not repress certain emotions or parts of emotions to “direct” the energy, but rather experience the emotion, balance it through contemplation, and then there is only one emotion left to work with when the situation may arise again: love.

This makes sense to me as well. And it is very close to what Ra seems to be saying.

I might say the process is: the emotional response via catalyst -> then the meditation and balancing -> the lesson is learnt -> love is achieved.

I love a process where the end result is "love is achieved."

[Edinburgh]

To me, this means that the flow of emotions should be free. You should not repress certain emotions or parts of emotions to “direct” the energy, but rather experience the emotion, balance it through contemplation, and then there is only one emotion left to work with when the situation may arise again: love.

This makes sense to me as well. And it is very close to what Ra seems to be saying.

I might say the process is: the emotional response via catalyst -> then the meditation and balancing -> the lesson is learnt -> love is achieved.

I love a process where the end result is "love is achieved."

Of course there is another version of the process as well ...

the emotional response via catalyst -> then little or no meditation and balancing -> the lesson is NOT learnt -> the catalyst is repeated (karma).

I'm sure glad I've started learning the lessons I came here for ... maybe something to do with those 'new' particles coming from the sun

[Unbound]

For some reason whenever I consider electricity I think of electro-magnetism. Perhaps the fourth density will a greater interaction with the laws of attraction?

[3DMonkey]

For some reason whenever I consider electricity I think of electro-magnetism. Perhaps the fourth density will a greater interaction with the laws of attraction?

Interesting idea. Here's a paradox for us: opposite are supposed to attract, right? Polarization is the separation of positive charges from negative charges. And why is it we need to separate at this 3D fork in the road in order to reach unity?

Fun with ideas

[Unbound]

I think we are riding a similar wavelength.

[kycahi]

Here's a paradox for us: opposite are supposed to attract, right? Polarization is the separation of positive charges from negative charges. And why is it we need to separate at this 3D fork in the road in order to reach unity?

Fun with ideas

I think this is just your musings and I don't like to pick a nit, but recall from Ra that the polarity came along because Logos(?) found that it accelerates progress through yellow, green and blue.

This makes me wonder if there is a Committee on Polarity that endeavors to stimulate this potentiation while keeping an overall balance. Maybe it's a Confederation Subcommittee

[3DMonkey]

Here's a paradox for us: opposite are supposed to attract, right? Polarization is the separation of positive charges from negative charges. And why is it we need to separate at this 3D fork in the road in order to reach unity?

Fun with ideas

I think this is just your musings and I don't like to pick a nit, but recall from Ra that the polarity came along because Logos(?) found that it accelerates progress through yellow, green and blue.

This makes me wonder if there is a Committee on Polarity that endeavors to stimulate this potentiation while keeping an overall balance. Maybe it's a Confederation Subcommittee

I wonder that myself. That even the LOO could be Ra stimulating us with mystery to facilitate planetary balance.

(i knew someone would be compelled to answer my musing )

[hogey11]

Just found this, never noticed it before:

90.5 Questioner: You stated previously that fifth-density entities bear a resemblance to those of us in third density on planet Earth but fourth density does not. Could you describe the fourth-density entities and tell me why they do not resemble us?
Ra: I am Ra. The description must be bated under the Law of Confusion. The cause for a variety of so-called physical vehicles is the remaining variety of heritages from second-density physical vehicular forms. The process of what you call physical evolution continues to hold sway into fourth density. Only when the ways of wisdom have begun to refine the power of what you may loosely call thought is the form of the physical complex manifestation more nearly under the direction of the consciousness.

So our new electrical/chemical bodies will be evolved into according to this...

How could this evolution start to show itself? By electrical, are we talking and extension or upgrade of the nervous system? Will our 'nervous system' gradually extend to that of the planetary mind, thereby making us into a 4D social memory complex?

[3DMonkey]

Don't forget that eventually the 4D body will be invisible to 3D as we know it. How, indeed.

[zenmaster]

Invisible if the 4D entity chooses not to manifest 1D chemicals. 4D entities can also be invisible to sight, but manifest an 'astral' form which would be visible to 3D 3rd-eye, but may go unnoticed if not sensitive to that vibration. Or they may still be invisible but leave a static electrical charge. Or someone can always furnish 'ectoplasm'.

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How could this evolution start to show itself? By electrical, are we talking and extension or upgrade of the nervous system?

The 2D genetic properties still work the same, apparently. However, the selection of material from which to aggregate a body starts coming less from the '1D sphere' and more from the '4D sphere'. 4D material is higher-consciousness material apparently, and while stuck in the 2D form, can be guided to optionally manifest heavier 1D chemicals.

Evolution of body tends to follow evolution of mind. Evolution of mind follows from the development of consciousness, which follows from experience and will.

[hogey11]

The 2D genetic properties still work the same, apparently. However, the selection of material from which to aggregate a body starts coming less from the '1D sphere' and more from the '4D sphere'. 4D material is higher-consciousness material apparently, and while stuck in the 2D form, can be guided to optionally manifest heavier 1D chemicals.

Evolution of body tends to follow evolution of mind. Evolution of mind follows from the development of consciousness, which follows from experience and will.

Thank you for this insight; it's been very useful for contemplation...

Taking this into account, I wonder if the "body" could be defined as the brain itself? In our current 3D world, our brain is reliant on chemicals produced in the brain to regulate our personality/emotions/moods. What if those chemicals disappear (or are not used) in 4D and the brain runs itself electrically with much greater control compared to 3D? Does that make any sense within the framework of your understanding?

[zenmaster]

Taking this into account, I wonder if the "body" could be defined as the brain itself?

As far as I know, the body includes the brain - the 'device driver' for the mind.

In our current 3D world, our brain is reliant on chemicals produced in the brain to regulate our personality/emotions/moods. What if those chemicals disappear (or are not used) in 4D and the brain runs itself electrically with much greater control compared to 3D?

We know that the 4D chemicals are of a different nature than 1D chemicals. The way I see it is that the formative guide of DNA intelligently 'knows' its function and by natural affinity, attracts and manufactures those chemicals most suitable to that function - so form follows function. Speculation is that 4D and 2D energies are congruent enough where 4D-entity's mind can influence the process. Like how in 3D we can consciously 'override' and guide autonomic functions.

Does that make any sense within the framework of your understanding?

Yes, and we can probably refine the speculation much more based on what the Ra material offers.

[3DMonkey]

Okay. I'm thinking aloud. This may take us backwards or in circles or whatever. It's a thought I had just now.

If we, yellow ray 3D entities, inhabit orange ray physical vehicles, then green ray 4D entities may inhabit yellow ray physical vehicles. Since yellow ray is potentiated, or in a state of increasing the effects of the other rays, the the 4D vehicle is more of a potentiated yellow ray enhanced form. "electrical"