It seems those of next octave, supervise manifestations of light, during our cycle

[Xenos]

Mysteries are the "non repeating decimals between the numbers 1 - 8"

We need these though, they are after all in between the infinite numbers that reside "inside" 8.
Forever continuing between the oneness of 8
It is endless, but if you come out of the levels in all

We are simply one.

It's funny, i think alot of us wants to clearly DEFINE what is which and what is not.
There is no definition to oneness, it's simply in all of the known's and unknown's.

You can't have unknown without the "known"... literally!

Sorry for breaking the serious mood.
Love and light!

[unity100]

number 1 = ONE ... simply ONE!! is always there. oneness is always present.

there is 'oneness' present only from the perspective of the many.

there cant be 'one' in infinity, or many. infinity is infinity. even in the case of 'one' infinite intelligence, it is comprised of many.

at the level which many names as 'one', the concept many and one, lose their meaning and become inapplicable.

in short, 'one' is an illusory perception of the many.

'mystery' is more proper, instead of 'one'. even though, it is only 'mystery' from the perspective of the many. infinity, is the mystery itself too, and the knowledge of that mystery.

[Confused]

There is no definition to oneness, it's simply in all of the known's and unknown's.

I am going to frame that reference in a photo-frame and hang it somewhere in my home (or at least in my mind).

If any other popular genius had said that, it would have been made a great deal of. But since it is Xenos saying it on b4th, it may sound only commonplace, but it is NOT, in my opinion

Sorry for breaking the serious mood.

I was not referring to you at all, Xenos. I was actually referring to myself, because I have a tendency towards too much humor, which some may find distracting from the main topic.

[native]

infinite intelligence seems to be present everywhere. it is what people call 'zen' probably. or, similarly, what i depicted in the post below

http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.ph...3#pid14843

I disagree with your other thread. I think your philosophizing is great, but I also think you are going off into madness! Or maybe I'm not understanding your conclusion.

If this supposition were true, why would it not be called the Law of Many? Why does Ra refer to everything as One, instead of Many?

Everything (up until where infinity has ventured) is being experienced all at once by Infinity's perspective.

I had about 5 long paragraphs, but settled on these simple statements. I am going mad too!

[unity100]

If this supposition were true, why would it not be called the Law of Many? Why does Ra refer to everything as One, instead of Many?

very simply, all the densities of this octave (and of other octaves) were created to reflect an emphasis on a particular property/feature of existence. 4 of green ray love, 5th of wisdom, communication etc. 6th is of unificaton, oneness, unifiedness.

remember how entities in all densities see everything from their density's perspective. it is only normal, since that density is created to reflect exactly like that. 2d entities think only they exist and everything is an extension of self, 3d entities think there is separation, 4d entities think everything is love.

just like that, 6d entities see everything from indigo ray's perspective - one.

yet, there are infinite densities in infinite octaves that will reflect infinite more properties of existence, than the one reflected in 6th density of this octave.

Everything (up until where infinity has ventured) is being experienced all at once by Infinity's perspective.

'experiencing' is a concept that is a part of infinity, and, its opposite is also found in infinity. then, infinity does not experience, because the concept becomes invalid at that level. but also it experiences, because it is infinity, and everything must be found in it.

[3DMonkey]

I'm really trying to enter this conversation. What is lost on me is the motivation from Derek~ and Unity100. I thoroughly enjoy disecting Ra quotes. I'm not sure of the importance of supervision duties and relevance.

Here is what I see happening based on this thread of intuitive wanderers. We try to take a function of the universe and understand it in it's full blown complicated mixture. In doing this, we realize that it isn't complicated, but it is simple and easy. Our Higher Selves our sending us messages that this is "madness", and telling us "keep it simple stupid."

Of course, we know it doesn't need to be understood. And it is good to fathom the depths because it continues us on our journey through infinite mystery.

Reading through quotes to get a handle on Octaves and Experential phases, I found it interlaced with harvest and experiencing the unknown. Harvest is deeper than an entity graduating. Xenos is feeling this from within- that 7 is within 7 is within 7 is forever. "graduation" occurs at all infinite levels. Harvest is gathering the experiences. Experiences are fruits of knowing produced after planting seeds of unknowing. What I mean is, as a tiny tiny piece of One, there is an infinity of "unknowns" for me to explore. As I "tap into intelligent infinity", I explore one singular unknown at a time. ( it's not really singular because it's on infinate planes of "subs", but we think of it as singular, for sanity's sake) In so doing, I produce a result that becomes "knowing" based on the experience realized. This is my contribution to the One, and exploring the infinite unknowns at our disposal goes on forever. "Tapping into intelligent infinity" is metaphorically stepping into every unknown one possibly can. Wouldn't it make sense that you could "go anywhere unfettered"? Certainly the adept would be mindful of this, and use it wisely.

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Correction: the Derek~ and Unity100 motivations from the first few posts are what excape me.

As for the latter few posts, our intuition is carrying us along greatly

[native]

Unity - If finity is the first distortion, this means that the us, we, them..the infinite finites..are only a distortion so that Infinity can experience itself. If many-ness didn't come into being, nothing would exist..only Infinity's awareness of itself that it exists. Which you understand, I know.

In essence there is only the present moment, which is what Ra has said they are attempting to learn. Nothing exists until infinite finity "reaches" that moment..or rather there are the hierarchical concepts that coalesce into that moment. But anyway.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure what your ultimate point is. Would you agree that there is only the present moment? Part of what I erased is that I speculated that in the moment, "before" and "after" it, nothing exists. In one moment all of infinity comes into being, and in the next it's gone. And so forth. The movement between these moments, these finities, creates the illusion, the distortion, of experience.

3DM - Tapping into intelligent infinity is a great way to put it. Which is basically what I was trying to say. Look at all that time I wasted! I very much love to keep it simple. My understanding of the present is growing.

Yes, ignore my first few posts about reaching harmony. It's nonsense. I was thinking out-loud.

[unity100]

In essence there is only the present moment, which is what Ra has said they are attempting to learn. Nothing exists until infinite finity "reaches" that moment..or rather there are the hierarchical concepts that coalesce into that moment. But anyway.

I understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure what your ultimate point is. Would you agree that there is only the present moment? Part of what I erased is that I speculated that in the moment, "before" and "after" it, nothing exists. In one moment all of infinity comes into being, and in the next it's gone. And so forth. The movement between these moments, these finities, creates the illusion, the distortion, of experience.

what you call a 'moment', or 'present' of that moment, is also a part of the infinity, complete with their counterparts.

[native]

Yes, I agree. Let me post what I just wrote down for my own self to save. I think this may be what you were trying to say in your other thread.

If finity is the first distortion, this means that the us, we, them..the infinite finites..the One that we are..are only a distortion so that Infinity can experience itself. If many-ness, or infinite awareness, manifestations of infinity..in other words, finites, didn't come into being, nothing would exist. Only Infinity's awareness of itself that it exists would exist. Yes, moving on.

In essence there is only the present moment. Nothing exists until infinite finity "reaches" that moment..or rather there are the hierarchical concepts that infinitely coalesce into densities of experience, which coalesce into moments. Our experience right now is the illusion of moving backwards through the present hierarchical concept that we are experiencing "now", called an octave to again unite with the octave and become One with it. We are in one octave of an infinity of octaves. But anyway..

I speculate that in the moment, "before" and "after" it, nothing exists. In one moment all of infinity comes into being, and in the next it's gone. And so forth. The movement between these moments, these finities, creates the illusion, the distortion, of experience. There is only the present moment. However..

"...the entity who penetrates intelligent infinity is basically capable of walking the universe with unfettered tread." But this is in reference to this octave. The adept's purpose or the meaning of existence (I wouldn't call it a purpose, the fun part?), is to penetrate each octave and gradually build the awareness of infinity. In this way, all of Infinity can be experienced in one moment up until that point.

It is not until you reunite with this octave, and pursue the next, becoming an adept at tapping intelligent infinity being able to experience any moment at any time up until a certain point. This repeats until Infinity catches up with itself, only to phase out of awareness and start all over again. This happens infinitely, forever.

It's possible that it is not simply that we are the Infinite Creator experiencing itself, but we are gradually pulling together our awareness of infinity. We are infinitely remembering, forgetting, and then progressing to the next moment understanding ourselves even more.

Is this what you were trying to say?

[drifting pages]

Ah the present moment and it's secrets.

I tried to comment here many times, to describe in detail everything i feel and have learned but every single time i wrote it down it felt off to post it.

In sum it doesn't matter because essentially everything goes where it needs to go and there are no mistakes.

To allow all reflections is to set yourself free.

[3DMonkey]

I picture the black hole funnel thingies stacked on top of each other. They exist as one. If you zoomed in (like on the link from Ankh about size) to a tiny speck, this speck is part of the whole. Without this speck, the whole comes crumbling down. All the other specks uphold the one tiny speck. All the other specks are that one speck. One is not without the other, and this is the Law of One. As I receive it.

[native]

I picture the black hole funnel thingies stacked on top of each other. They exist as one. If you zoomed in (like on the link from Ankh about size) to a tiny speck, this speck is part of the whole. Without this speck, the whole comes crumbling down. All the other specks uphold the one tiny speck. All the other specks are that one speck. One is not without the other, and this is the Law of One. As I receive it.

Yes exactly, as a visual representation. But moving from each moment to moment, this awareness phases in and out. There is an infinite progression of becoming aware of infinity.

As adepts, we are essentially pulling together moments. Where anything can be experienced at any time.

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Ah the present moment and it's secrets.

Love the mystery! All is One, All is Love, All is Mystery. The Law of Mystery!

[3DMonkey]

In addition, the LOO was brought to encourage me, tiny speck, to accept my service to "the one". Again, fathoming the mystery is positive, and leap frogging to understanding skips over this purpose of service to "the one."

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Yes exactly, as a visual representation. But moving from each moment to moment, this awareness phases in and out. There is an infinite progression of becoming aware of infinity.

Not but, AND

[native]

Ok And welcome home.

[unity100]

If finity is the first distortion, this means that the us, we, them..the infinite finites..the One that we are..are only a distortion so that Infinity can experience itself. If many-ness, or infinite awareness, manifestations of infinity..in other words, finites, didn't come into being, nothing would exist. Only Infinity's awareness of itself that it exists would exist. Yes, moving on.

infinity does not experience itself. the state of 'experienced itself' also is present in it in full form. also, lack of experience too. so, that concept is also invalid.

infinite intelligence experiences itself. and yet, infinite intelligence is also a distortion.

Is this what you were trying to say?

no concept you propose about infinity, is going to be correct.

imagine a concept. it is found in infinity in full form. now imagine its opposite. it is also found in infinity in full form. imagine infinite amount of concepts. all are found in infinity in full form. and since all complement and cancel out each other, balance each other, a state does not exist.

[native]

So you disagree with the first distortion that finity is the Creator experiencing awareness/itself? Exactly stated in 13.12.. "The intelligent infinity discerned a concept. This concept was discerned to be freedom of will of awareness. This concept was finity. This was the first and primal paradox or distortion of the Law of One. Thus the one intelligent infinity invested itself in an exploration of many-ness. Due to the infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity there is no ending to many-ness. The exploration, thus, is free to continue infinitely in an eternal present."

Do you believe in the Law of One? What the hell are you trying to say brother? I am confused. Put it in a sentence or two.

[3DMonkey]

Derek~,

Although he almost never uses the phrase, Unity100 says "I don't know either" many times in his posts. It took me awhile. It takes one to know one. Being the mystery is fun sometimes.

[Bring4th_Austin]

So you disagree with the first distortion that finity is the Creator experiencing awareness/itself? Exactly stated in 13.12.. "The intelligent infinity discerned a concept. This concept was discerned to be freedom of will of awareness. This concept was finity. This was the first and primal paradox or distortion of the Law of One. Thus the one intelligent infinity invested itself in an exploration of many-ness. Due to the infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity there is no ending to many-ness. The exploration, thus, is free to continue infinitely in an eternal present."

Do you believe in the Law of One? What the hell are you trying to say brother? I am confused. Put it in a sentence or two.

I believe this misunderstanding lies in the difference between infinity and intelligent infinity. I cannot comment myself on the difference, but as Unity pointed out, intelligent infinity itself is a distortion.

If I'm incorrect about the misunderstanding, please ignore me

[3DMonkey]

AND to what you said...

Distortion is an alteration from original.

Even the word distortion is a distortion of a distortion of a distortion of a distortion..... ..... .... .... Of it's source meaning.

[unity100]

So you disagree with the first distortion that finity is the Creator experiencing awareness/itself? Exactly stated in 13.12.. "The intelligent infinity discerned a concept. This concept was discerned to be freedom of will of awareness. This concept was finity. This was the first and primal paradox or distortion of the Law of One. Thus the one intelligent infinity invested itself in an exploration of many-ness. Due to the infinite possibilities of intelligent infinity there is no ending to many-ness. The exploration, thus, is free to continue infinitely in an eternal present."

Do you believe in the Law of One? What the hell are you trying to say brother? I am confused. Put it in a sentence or two.

you forgot the topic 'first thing in creation' that Ra talks about.

intelligent infinity is something that is there after 'infinity becomes aware', and this 'was the first step'.

thus, intelligent infinity, which does the acts described in your quote, is a lower state that is already distorted from infinity. this, would mean that there is a counterpart to intelligent infinity, complementing it to full infinity.

[Confused]

Whatever the mechanics of infinity, intelligent infinity, et al, one thing is sort of becoming clear to me. The guys who have planned, supervise and/or guide the process from 'above' us, are not going to let us out of the box unless we fulfill the conditions of each of the boxes in which we find ourselves in.

That is unless we develop the will, strength, and capability to touch intelligent infinity, in which case, we transcend into the event horizon of the vault holding the mysteries of creation. That is of course a personal statement that I developed from reading of the LOO. And could be filled with infinite distortions in terms of understanding.

[native]

Now that I've come back from work, having stepped away I think I see that we are caught in a wormhole of semantics.

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you forgot the topic 'first thing in creation' that Ra talks about.

intelligent infinity is something that is there after 'infinity becomes aware', and this 'was the first step'.

thus, intelligent infinity, which does the acts described in your quote, is a lower state that is already distorted from infinity. this, would mean that there is a counterpart to intelligent infinity, complementing it to full infinity.

Yes, but generally speaking..Infinity indeed IS experiencing itself by way of distortion.

[3DMonkey]

Now that I've come back from work, having stepped away I think I see that we are caught in a wormhole of semantics.

Love it! Some of my favorite thoughts derive from these wormholes.

[native]

This wormhole has me tired!

[unity100]

Yes, but generally speaking..Infinity indeed IS experiencing itself by way of distortion.

nay - infinity is infinity, after infinite concepts you can dream about in infinite time, are merged.

so, there is no concept of experiencing, at the level of infinity. it starts with infinite intelligence - 1 level lower.

because, for infinity to be infinite, there should be another counterpart of infinite intelligence, 'not experiencing' anything - doing precisely the opposite of experiencing.

when they merge, nothing identifiable remains.

[3DMonkey]

nay - infinity is infinity, after infinite concepts you can dream about in infinite time, are merged.

so, there is no concept of experiencing, at the level of infinity. it starts with infinite intelligence - 1 level lower.

because, for infinity to be infinite, there should be another counterpart of infinite intelligence, 'not experiencing' anything - doing precisely the opposite of experiencing.

when they merge, nothing identifiable remains.

no concept you propose about infinity, is going to be correct.

[native]

I understand. The creation is experiencing infinity is what you're saying. Infinite concepts are tapped which create experience. Infinity in essence is only potentials.

But still, infinity became aware which was the second step. So there is an awareness of itself, and from then on the viewpoint changes. Because indeed, infinity realizes it does exist.

What you're trying to do is separate infinity the concept, from everything else, which you can't. Because everything comes from infinity. Does it not?

Don't be critical of the wording is what I'm saying. To not agree with saying infinity is experiencing itself is a semantic argument.

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There is a paradox in saying infinity is a non-thing and then saying that it became aware of itself.

There is either awareness of itself eventually, or nothingness always.

I understand the idea that at the base level of infinity nothing is experienced always, but I guess we simply disagree. You're basically saying that awareness of infinity is a projection..that there is separation in between infinity and awareness. I agree on experiencing and its opposite of not experiencing, but I have to think about infinity and its link to awareness some more. Perhaps it is a paradox and can't be answered, at least in our 3d minds.

[3DMonkey]

Could it not be that there are an infinity of infinities?

Infinity itself is a 3D word distortion of a distorted infinity. It's a never ending loop. It= distorted concept, is= distorted concept, never= distorted concept, ending= distorted concept, loop= distorted concept.

Distorted to the maximum it is.

[native]

No, that is silly crazy nonsense. You're trying to suck me into a wormhole!

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The infinities of infinity are the octaves of experience which are each uniquely exploring infinity in their own ways.

[Confused]

Infinity itself is a 3D word distortion of a distorted infinity.

I resonate with that. And it reminded me of the following LOO exchange -

63.30 Questioner: I understand that the Logos did not plan for the heating effect in our third-density transition into fourth. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct except for the condition of free will which is, of course, planned by the Logos as It, Itself, is a creature of free will. In this climate an infinity of events or conditions may occur. They cannot be said to be planned by the Logos but can be said to have been freely allowed.