Imminency of 'something'

[Spectrum]

i would never take wormwood.

Me neither , but I love reading about these things.

[Ocean]

i used to read erowid for lolz and education.

[Edinburgh]

[quote='Cyclops' pid='15014' dateline='1275440003']
Q'uo Sunday Meditation November 2, 2003
[quote]The DNA of which you speak is affected by thought. Consequently, if, by the disciplining of the personality, an entity is able to begin to tune the heart to living in an open, loving, and vulnerable state, such as that state fourth-density entities [experience], the perceptions that come into the mind and that tell the body what is occurring are those perceptions which will automatically hook up that which is not hooked up within the DNA strands. The stimulus for the body is the mind; so in working with the mind to move from what this instrument would call mental thinking into heart oriented thinking, it is the movement from third-density to fourth-density thinking. As the heart is allowed to think and to be strong in moving into a major part of the process of perception, the body will follow, being a creature of the mind.[/quote]

What happened to me after my experience with Ayahuasca, is my entire personality changed for the better. I live now from the heart. Has my DNA changed? I don't know. I HAVE changed though.

Also, if you have the right intention (set and setting) going into the experience, you don't need a shamen.

And theres no way you would do anything harmful to yourself or to others, as this is a humbling experience. Absinthe, wormwood, LSD, etc. I don't recommend. I haven't tried them, but research has shown they are not helpful and sometimes harmful.

There is a new (Jan 2011) documentary with psychiatrists, doctors, rabbis, mystics, scientists, writers, etc all about this new 'wave' of learning regarding Aya.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZftPWbW...re=related

[Spectrum]

Absinthe, wormwood, LSD, etc. I don't recommend. I haven't tried them, but research has shown they are not helpful and sometimes harmful.

Yeah, I would never take any of those, I would 'only' consider ayahuasca, and even that is a decision I don't make lightly

There is a new (Jan 2011) documentary with psychiatrists, doctors, rabbis, mystics, scientists, writers, etc all about this new 'wave' of learning regarding Aya.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZftPWbW...re=related

Thanks!

[Ocean]

i have considered ayahuasca but i'm not comfortable. taking something means you can't get out of it. i wish people would go into more detail about their experiences.

[Spectrum]

i wish people would go into more detail about their experiences.

Here's a National Geographic feature on it:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/advent.../peru.html

And then Graham Hancock's Supernatural also gives a good idea.

[Ocean]

thanks!

[Edinburgh]

i wish people would go into more detail about their experiences.

Here's a National Geographic feature on it:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/advent.../peru.html

It's a good article.
In terms of the demons and dark imagery the writer discusses in her article, I personally didn't have this problem. I kept the love of the creator and Ra's explanations with me in the form of words on paper, and in affirmations made orally whenever I felt distressed. Anytime I met a "dark" spirit or thought, I expressed love towards it, and it dissapeared!
I did have a soul retreival as discussed in the article, and this was a very healing experience. I saw my younger child-me, who was distressed, and so I brought him with me.
Another area where my experience was different to the article was the dosage. I deliberately took 'mild' doses, it was easier to deal with.
Having LOO as a framework to start with makes it easier to deal with the experience. Otherwise you might need a shamen to help you. For me, Ra's teachings were my guide/ shamen.

PS There is a good documentary about the same American shamen discussed in the article online http://youtu.be/aiUnYppu4sM
I would not like to take Aya with other people as described in this video. It's like watching an exorcist movie. Instead, I believe a peaceful, loving environment, as described by Sandra Ingerman in her Soul Retrieval book is more conducive to a smoother experience. The healing work will still get done, even without the extreme hysterics. You will see other "indiginous" shamens work mostly in silence with drumming or whistling instead.

[Ocean]

i think i have parts missing, do you get them all back at once? cuz i'd have to drink maaany times...

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i think being afraid of demons is kinda generic, do other kinds of fears appear in ayahuasca? more or less tangible and intricate?

[Spectrum]

It's a good article.

It is yes. It's been online for many years now.

I've watched the documentary you referenced. It's very good.

i think being afraid of demons is kinda generic, do other kinds of fears appear in ayahuasca? more or less tangible and intricate?

But the curious should take heed: The unconscious mind holds many things you don't want to look at. All those self-destructive beliefs, suppressed traumatic events, denied emotions. Little wonder that an ayahuasca vision can reveal itself as a kind of hell in which a person is forced—literally—to face his or her demons.

"Ayahuasca is not for everyone," Grob warns. "It's probably not for most people in our world today. You have to be willing to have a very powerful, long, internal experience, which can get very scary. You have to be willing to withstand that."

From all I've read thus far about it, it seems the 'fear factor' is a given, whatever shape or form it might take. The experiences are as varied as the amount of people taking it.

[Ocean]

there are people who do soul retrieval. i forget the guy's name.

[zenmaster]

there are people who do soul retrieval. i forget the guy's name.

It's a common service in shamanism. You can re-integrate a part of yourself, if you're congruent with the new configuration.

[Ocean]

what configuration?

[zenmaster]

what configuration?

Configuration of mind that supports the additional information represented by to-be-integrated 'soul' component. Symbolic baby imagery seems to be typical of the process.

[Ocean]

uh... ok. how does that work exactly?

[zenmaster]

uh... ok. how does that work exactly?

The mind likes to perpetuate a pattern. Sometimes the pattern does not suit us, keeping us from a greater part of ourselves. So we are, in a sense, 'locked' into this pattern. One way to overcome this pattern is to, to use Ra's terminology 'contact intelligent energy', activate indigo ray and receive a new pattern. You can do this by yourself (difficult), or with guided help. The shaman can actually sense the energy and see what you are seeing. But with this technique, you always have to 'raise your vibrations', first. That is, unless you are not already indigo-ray centered (which most people are not). Crystals can help by 'magnifying' the energy, apparently.

[Ocean]

oh thanks. that makes sense.

[Edinburgh]

uh... ok. how does that work exactly?

The mind likes to perpetuate a pattern. Sometimes the pattern does not suit us, keeping us from a greater part of ourselves. So we are, in a sense, 'locked' into this pattern. One way to overcome this pattern is to, to use Ra's terminology 'contact intelligent energy', activate indigo ray and receive a new pattern. You can do this by yourself (difficult), or with guided help. The shaman can actually sense the energy and see what you are seeing. But with this technique, you always have to 'raise your vibrations', first. That is, unless you are not already indigo-ray centered (which most people are not). Crystals can help by 'magnifying' the energy, apparently.

That's a good description, and close to how I feel after my Aya experiences ... I felt I 'unlocked patterns' and accessed greater and 'greater parts' of myself. I feel more whole now as a result. Old ways of thinking (patterns of thinking) removed in a few hours, where months, years of 'self help' had barely made a dent. All those good intentions for change get lost in the daily noise we call modern life.

I think another way of thinking of Aya would be as if it was distilled "catalyst" ... accelerating understanding and growth.