2009-06-15 - Favorite books, addictions, entity posessions

[Sirius]

I must say that this would be the first transcript I have read end to end. and it holds a large ammount of information of personal benefit. In regards to the addiction and also the possesion.

What I would like to further discuss is the effects of pot (marijuana) for prolonged use. In a way I would say I'm addicted to it, but when I have non left I dont go hunting for more so to speak, so in a way I keep it in check personally.

It seems as if I am not the only Spiritual person who has mixed feelings on the subject. The main reason I doubt my personal experiences is becuase of the marijuana.

The "period of awakening" i had in '07 was 7 or more weeks of me being completely sober, for having met a girl that didn't smoke. after Our time she had to move to Canada, (I'm in the UK) and I quickly picked up smoking again, as I was so icredably low in feelings due to her departure.

I know it's a suden quick change of tone, but it almost seemed this way within the transcript itself.

Possession, I think I might have briefly mentioned this elsewhere, but it was not of it's own independant topic.

Has anybody else had some sort of possession?

I would say myself that I was ALMOST possessed. I was in the bath meditating. filling the bath up with my own energy, I would picture very well the water being white. I had become really good at this to the degree I could make my entire body become very tingely and alive feeling. I'm not brilliantly sure how it al begen, but I remember my hands twisting up, in a way that wasn't humanly possible. It didn't hurt, but I could not move my hands/wrists. I was already brimming with my own energy,. but I could feel a further energy creeping up my body starting at my feet and reaching right upto my neck before I managed to start making it go down.

I think the most important thing though, is I thought that was a good thing, I was completely unaware of the negative entity, suprising after it had been mere hours after my first "negative greeting" as you call them here. I would call it bluntly an attack. What saved me that day, was my spirit guide and guardian angel (deffinitions probebly need an update) come down and scream almost, STOP WHAT YOUR DOING. It was at this point the water was no longer white in my perception, it snapped to black, and really began to scare me.

After all of that, this was one of very many helpful wake up calls.

Anybody else had experiences like this before?

Anybody think smoking (almost copius) ammounts of weed affects ones credibility also?

Love and Light

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Transcript link, I forgot

[peelstreetguy]

I do believe that possesion or psychic attack pierces down through the head, not up from the feet. Only the energy of the creator can come up from the red ray chakra. I would suggest NOT doing anything of a magical nature ( rituals or visualizations, charging water ect.) when high on any drug. I speak from personal experience. things can go very wrong.
Good luck to you!

[fairyfarmgirl]

Good Greetings Sirus:

I have a friend who calls unchecked and non-medical cannabis use "hitting the pause button to life."

Cannabis is an incredible healing herb that when misused will do terrible harm to your electromagnetic system, internal organs, brain functions, and etheric envelope. If you are indeed using copious amounts of Cannabis then your aura must look like swiss cheese... Any entity (human and non-human) can just walk in and take up residence in a hole in the aura. I have a friend that calls these energy vamps, Cling-ons because that is just what they do, they cling-on and hitch a ride and meal in your energy field. Click here for some anecdotal reference http://www.clarity-of-being.org/cannabis.htm Of course on some level most Spiritual Masters would say that you have agreed to this. But to me that is a cop-out that people use to keep you from being empowered. I call them the "Oh- you -created- this -so -you -are- at- fault -crowd." The Masters of course never assist you in clearing your energy field as a service to assist humanity because then they would not make money from your suffering. But given all the Cannabis you are using perhaps you are not aware of your suffering except when you run out of your stuff and go Jonesing for some more.

I would encourage you to consider doing a cannabis detox. This means you stop smoking Cannabis and drink lots of l water with the juice of lemon and eat lots of healthy green foods (fresh fruit, veggies, dried sea vegetables, cooked brown rice, tofu, and very very little animal flesh etc.). Depending on the amount of bio-energetic dependence--- you have you may have to slowly decrease the amount you use until you no longer are using it anymore. Some people go to AA when they are quitting Cannabis as something to do so they do not smoke it (or ingest it) when they are trying to quit it. Others go on a spiritual retreat. I like the retreats conducted by Thich Nhat Hanh or the followers of his ways. Click here http://www.plumvillage.org/

While doing a detox you may choose to consider these plant helpers to assist you in your recovery. Here are a few plant helpers that seem to suggest they are helpful in recovery. The best way is to consult with an herbalist and/or aromatherapist and go from there. In the meantime I suggest learning about these helpers. I found these helpers of assistance when as I am quiting the life long habit of drinking caffeine, I am now down to only 3 cups a day (from originally 5 carafes of coffee in a day... I literally lived on coffee-- LOL).

click here http://www.gardensablaze.com/HerbLavenderMed.htm (do not ever ingest Lavender Essential Oil unless under the advisement of a qualified aromatherapist)

and click here http://books.google.com/books?id=DixPoJ6...t&resnum=7

and click here http://books.google.com/books?id=DixPoJ6...7#PPA69,M1

and click here http://books.google.com/books?id=DixPoJ6...7#PPA40,M1

I wish you well!

fairyfarmgirl

[Sirius]

I do believe that possesion or psychic attack pierces down through the head, not up from the feet. Only the energy of the creator can come up from the red ray chakra. I would suggest NOT doing anything of a magical nature ( rituals or visualizations, charging water ect.) when high on any drug. I speak from personal experience. things can go very wrong.
Good luck to you!

Interesting, would that fact I was surrounded by water have affected it. Due to the experience above and many others I have come to regard water as a conductor of energy, not just the electrical kind.

At the time (and probably still very much so) I was very top chakra heavy. I had amazing sucsess with opening chakras from the crown to my heart, but the 3 below where almost if not, non existent, this is still too this day. Any comments on this?

Fairy farm girl, I'm not inclined to believe it causes damage to my physical organs out of al things. from my own research weed(in blunts without tobacco) is healthy for you, and I have numerous friends who used to have athsma until they started smoking it. It opens up the avioli in your lungs.

Hitting the pause button of life I can relate with deffinately. This is the only apparant damge I am aware of, not to mention the cost.

Saying that, it is the spiritual damage of which I am unaware really. Your explanation of holes in the aura is pretty usefull. I may have to poke around and see if anything is there, it would make sence if something(s) was.

The biggest problem is not wanting to stop it. I still take 100% enjoyment from it. As with almost all of my peers smoking it also.

It may sound silly, but being slightly stoned does make it easier to ingest large ammounts of info, some may say how much info of that do I retain. but the chaces of me finishing the Hidden Hand story for example probably would not have happened.

My convictions with 2012 will force me to quit well before 2012 however.

Big huuuge De Ja Vu. Probably a very bad sign, given the topic.

I will try your detox advice tomorrow for a week. and alternate for a bit, I guess activity will begin to shine through a tad, and then I will actually WANT to quit.

Your words have been very insightful for me

Love and Light!

[fairyfarmgirl]

Sirius:

I have two dear dear friends who are life long stoners (they believe they are Metaphysical because they smoke pot and not from any personal work they are doing) and every morning they cough and hack up phlegm that is black with smoke and then they begin their daily toke after a couple of pots of coffee and continue to hack and cough through the day. THe more they hack and cough and spit the more they smoke. They can not even go for a mile walk without being winded. So I can say from observing these dear people that the over-use of Cannabis does indeed negatively impact the physical body. They are also extremely succeptiple to sinus infections, ear infections, the flu and common colds.

Due to the down turn of the economy and losing their jobs they have had to cut back quite a bit on their habit. Miraculously they no long hack and cough and spit for several hours in the morning. They no longer need several pots of coffee a day to start the day and they are able to actually go for a walk without having to stop and gasp for air.

Mind you, I said the over-use of Cannabis. Not the occaisional use to access doorways and do shamanic work... This is a powerful powerful plant ally that will hurt you if used incorrectly.

And now that my dear friends have push the play button on their lives they are discovering they have work to do on their Selves and have started seeking again... And have found that they need to clean house (personally and figuratively).

fairyfarmgirl

[Sirius]

haha yeah the coughing, I figured I was blessed that i dont go through that thank the lord.

You give me more conviction to detox for a while.

Thanks again

I was just thinking how weird it is, how I worry more about how I am percieved on this forum than in real life!

[fairyfarmgirl]

Good Greetings Sirius and All:

All that means is you value yourSelf and others... your true Self. These times are times where we Wanderers and Starseeds and/or both and all of Humanity are learning that we are indeed Worthy. We are uncovering our Self-Worth... one the tenets to being part of the galactic community... This uncovering of Self-Worth takes on many different challenges to bring you to see your inherent Self-Worth. For you it is over-use of Cannabis and then speaking candidly about it and considering investing in your Whole Health for uncovering your inherent Self-Worth. I know that you are worthy and wish you great and gentle and loving Wellness and Well-Beingness.

I wonder what Ra has to say about Cannabis use... I do not have time to peruse Ra teachings for any references... so I will leave that to you or another.

fairyfarmgirl

[Sirius]

Beautiful words

I said I was reading some LOO tomorrow, leave the finding upto me haha

Love and Light,
Goodnight ^^

[Monica]

Cannabis is an incredible healing herb that when misused will do terrible harm to your electromagnetic system, internal organs, brain functions, and etheric envelope. If you are indeed using copious amounts of Cannabis then your aura must look like swiss cheese... Any entity (human and non-human) can just walk in and take up residence in a hole in the aura. I have a friend that calls these energy vamps, Cling-ons because that is just what they do, they cling-on and hitch a ride and meal in your energy field.

I quit smoking pot 27 years ago (after 6 years of heavy use in high school & college) and did it again only a handful of times after that, when I noticed that I felt less motivated and rather foggy. So I quit for good.

I know people in their 40s & 50s who still get high regularly. Some are active, motivated people in prestigious, well-paid jobs, while others are the typical 'stoners' who don't seem to get very far in life. One friend in particular has had some amazing spiritual experiences, and she gets high off and on pretty regularly.

So I really do think it depends on the person. I've heard the 'holes in the aura' idea before, and at the time, it scared me away from ever getting high again, for many years. But now I wonder where that came from. Can you elaborate please? I no longer have an interest in smoking weed, but I fiercely defend it as a benign alternative to alcohol (which I consider far more harmful).

I now question the 'holes in the aura' idea as being absolute. Recreational use seems harmless and even productive for some people I know. So I am wondering what that idea is based on. Have psychics seen holes in the aura, or what? I remember the last few times I got high - which was after I'd started meditating, fasting, etc. and I remember being much more aware and able to make use of being high as a spiritual catalyst than I was back when I was young and was just partying. I now consider weed to be in the same category as peyote and mushrooms - to be used reverently and with respect.

A couple of years ago, a friend invited me to do a Native American ceremony with peyote, but I declined. For me, that time is past. But I respected and honored her experience, which turned out to be a huge spiritual breakthru for her.

[Sirius]

Out of all 5 books, this is the only time Ra mentions weed/Marijuana or Cannabis.

Questioner: I just have two little questions here at the end. The instrument
wanted to ask if there were any other substances foods, etc. that she should
not eat or drink or things that she should not do because she does not wish
to have poor contact for any reason.

Ra: I am Ra. There is no activity which this instrument engages in which
affects abilities negatively. There is one activity which affects its abilities
positively. This is the sexual activity, as you would call it. There are
substances ingested which do not aid the individual in the service it has
chosen, this being that which you would call the marijuana. This is due to
the distortion towards chemical lapses within the mind complex causing
lack of synaptic continuity. This is a chemical reaction of short duration.
This instrument, however, has not used this particular substance at any time
while performing this service. We believe we have covered the use of such
chemical agents as LSD, this being positive to a certain extent due to the
energizing or speeding up of the vital forces. However, it is not
recommended for this instrument due to the toll it takes upon the vital
energies once the substance wears off. This being true of any speeding-up
chemical.

Through the sound of it, it is just as harmful as sex. (sex releases dopamine into the blood, one such thing that cannabis does)

Regardless, Soberness does have it's uses

[Monica]

Anybody think smoking (almost copius) ammounts of weed affects ones credibility also?

I think the key word here is copious.

When I quit weed, I had to get away from it completely in order to break the cycle. It was important to me to know that I wasn't addicted and could do without it. Later, I enjoyed it occasionally a few times, but without the urgency. And still later, I lost interest altogether.

I think Carla made a very good point in that chat: That the real issue is whether there is a loss of control. If we give away our power to any substance, whether it be weed, alcohol, sugar, coffee, or whatever, then that's not cool.

Sometimes it's hard to tell whether we can have a healthy relationship with the substance (ie. enjoy occasional, moderate use) until we get away from it for awhile. I found that if I was dependent on something, my mind came up with all sorts of justifications for it! I know with stronger substances that are physically addicting, like alcohol, cigarettes, etc., few people can go back to moderation after being addicted...the addiction seems to creep back up on them and they're back where they started.

In my experience, weed was not in that category. I just chose to leave it, but I don't feel that it would have been harmful to indulge occasionally, had I wanted to.

I do have a frame of reference, because I was addicted to amphetamines (earlier generation of speed) back in the late 1970s, and THAT was some evil stuff!! A little weed now and then is very mild in comparison!

Still, I've seen some friends who got high on a daily basis suffer from memory loss, lack of motivation, and the inability to confront emotions. So we get into the question of: Is it being used for occasional relaxation, or as a crutch to avoid dealing with catalyst? If the latter, has it become a habitual escape from that catalyst? imho, that is the most important question of all! Any substance, whether it be weed, alcohol, or even tv, becomes counterproductive if it interferes with accomplishing what we set out to learn in this precious lifetime.

I might change my opinion once I learn more about the supposed 'holes in the aura' - looking forward to that info - but for now, I would say that its biggest danger is in keeping the person asleep (as Ra said about excessive tv) when they could be awake and more fully utilizing catalyst to polarize.

I've heard that it takes about 6 weeks for the THC to no longer be detectable in the body. Not sure if that's true! (Does anyone know?) My suggestion would be to avoid it for awhile, maybe 7 months instead of just 7 weeks, and then re-evaluate its value in your life.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Bring4thmonica:

It does take 7 weeks for THC to stop affecting the body. This is a fat soluable substance that stays in the fatty cells. A drug test will test positive. It also stays in the hair and nail fibers. (I only know this because I knew someone that got busted and the judge made her be tested 2 times a week and go to parenting classes (as the cannabis smoking made her completely unmotivated to care for her toddler) and they would clip her finger nails and hair and do a urine test to see if she was sneaking a toke. This was her life for 3 years when she finally won back custody of her child and proved she was Cannabis free. This was a friend of a friend of a friend (not my friend per se).

I would like to quote something I wrote earlier in response to the aura holes

Cannabis is an incredible healing herb that when misused will do terrible harm to your electromagnetic system, internal organs, brain functions, and etheric envelope. Fear is the in for the creation of the holes in the aura. Overuse of Cannabis leads to paranoia for many that use this drug. This is where the holes and the cling-ons then come into play. And as I said previously, on some level the individual has agreed to this---

Almost any natural drug can be a catalyst for expansion if used correctly with reverence. This plant ally can indeed open doorways and portals and assist in expansion. But this is only a helper for this... to take it always without truly learning how to access these levels of being leads to dependence on the substance in order to be. This is not en-light-en-ment. To truly be en-light-en-ed one must stand firmly in their power... dependence disempowers the user. The seeker ceases to use the drug and finds they can no longer expand or access the higher levels of being... because they did not complete their task... learning how to access this level without the drug... the drug is simply a catalyst not the key... We are the Key for the truth is we (all Humans and others) are magnificent in our Beingness.

Cannabis without the getting high part is an incredible plant: medicinal, food, clothing, paper can be made from Cannabis--- and the list goes on. But it is an herb that must be used correctly in order to be effective. Click here for a comprehensive book on this topic http://books.google.com/books?id=rS381BP...&resnum=11

fairyfarmgirl

[Monica]

Fear is the in for the creation of the holes in the aura. Overuse of Cannabis leads to paranoia for many that use this drug. This is where the holes and the cling-ons then come into play. And as I said previously, on some level the individual has agreed to this---

Almost any natural drug can be a catalyst for expansion if used correctly with reverence. This plant ally can indeed open doorways and portals and assist in expansion. But this is only a helper for this... to take it always without truly learning how to access these levels of being leads to dependence on the substance in order to be.

Very well said! Thanks!

Can you please clarify this sentence - it seems to be missing a word:

Fear is the in for the creation of the holes in the aura.

So the cling-ons get in by the paranoia, not just by being high. This is the conclusion I had arrived at also.

[fairyfarmgirl]

Fear is the in for the creation of the holes in the aura. Overuse of Cannabis leads to paranoia for many that use this drug. This is where the holes and the cling-ons then come into play. And as I said previously, on some level the individual has agreed to this---

Almost any natural drug can be a catalyst for expansion if used correctly with reverence. This plant ally can indeed open doorways and portals and assist in expansion. But this is only a helper for this... to take it always without truly learning how to access these levels of being leads to dependence on the substance in order to be.

Very well said! Thanks!

Can you please clarify this sentence - it seems to be missing a word:

Fear is the in for the creation of the holes in the aura.

So the cling-ons get in by the paranoia, not just by being high. This is the conclusion I had arrived at also.

Good Greetings:

Yes: fear is the in (as go in, I have an in there... etc).

fairyfarmgirl

[Ali Quadir]

There's a lot of FUD going around about hemp..

It does not affect the body for 7 weeks. THC is broken down by the body in a few hours. The waste products get locked up in fat, hair and nails. These waste products are not psychoactive and do not affect the body in a proven way. They are only the method used for drug tests. THC is more difficult to detect, and it evaporates so quickly that there's almost no point testing for it.

The girl who had difficulty taking care of her toddler.. One way of saying it is that she smoked hemp and thus did not care for her toddler. The other probably more accurate way is saying that she found it difficult to cope with life as a single mother in American society and auto medicated with weed.

I still agree with the judges verdict. The girl needed intervention. Considering the amount of kids in the US put into prisons because of hemp he was mild. But parenting class no doubt helped the woman more than quitting the weed. She learned to cope in another way than smoking hemp. Thus acquiring self confidence and taking the upward spiral of seeing the result of the confidence and gaining even more. Quitting the weed just helped by breaking the cycle.

In my opinion as a clinical health psychologist. There is no strong reason why cannabis should result in stigma, imprisonment and the social outcries that it does. While on the other hand alcohol is completely accepted yet it kills and maims many many more people per year both directly and in traffic accidents. It causes some very serious and very big problems in society including violence. Don't get me started on the silent and needless addictions to prescription and over the counter drugs.

I am not trying to break a lance for Cannabis usage. In my opinion it's a drug, it's a vice. I don't much believe in spiritual side effects or healing. (It does tend to make the energy motions in the body more clear, but takes away some of the control over this.) I'm just advocating taking the common sense approach of tackling the bigger problems first.

I smoke the stuff. I don't cough up slime in the morning. I have a good job. I finished university. Bought my own house. Caught myself a wife. And go to the gym at least twice a week.. I'm not saying it's good for me. It probably isn't. But I can't drink alcohol because one glass of it messes me up. A beer is reasonably doable. A glass of red wine seriously hurts my stomach. And anything stronger I can't even hold down. My body just rejects it.

What usually happens is that I come home from work or the gym. I put up my feet, smoke one, then do some house chores or work on my game project. Chat with you guys. And then before bed I smoke another one.

[peelstreetguy]

I think addiction to any substance can be a problem. You know, the old, to much of a good thing is a bad thing. Man, I think I'm addicted to everything. I don't let it get me to down though. I plug away, day after day, trying to build my will power. Always trying to keep in mind that it is personal catalyst designed to ultimately make me a stronger spiritual being in the long run.

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Holes in the aura? I don't know. I've only heard of that in conjunction with halucinogens.

[Sirius]

That was the one thing I always attributed to smoking cannabis. How it made me not drink. I think I may have had a drink once this year so far? I used to like alcohol, but as every1 knows, drunk, is alot more dangerous than stoned.

It was pretty much my hidden motive when writing the OP. WHY should I stop. I'm still stuck with it though, I don't have a valid reason to stop so to speak. I'm doing this detox as fairyfarmgirl suggested, as I can see how it is beneficial to flush my body through once in a while. But stopping outright, I always assumed that I would start drinking alot more often. At the end of the day I would be VERY hard pushed to find some peers of my age who do niether, and my close circle of friends are alot more into it than myself.

I do smoke alot, but I do try to keep a level head about it all. I'm sat here sober now, only thinking about cannabis analyticaly, due to the thread. Personally I am finding that I am not so "addicted" to it so to say.

From this whole thread, as much as I appreceate the advice, (that I did ask for) I am still really at squre one, in understanding or the problem. Personally right now I'm detoxing in order so that I smoke less in a given time, rather than say a doobie every 2 hours or so(when I have it).

Ra's comments about it creating a lack in synaptic continuity. What do you think this would mean?

I can relate to it through writing a forum post, maybe 50% of my thoughts never make it onto the post, most uasually becuase they come too quick and replace eachother with what I'm writing. I'm pretty sure my forum posts would dramaticly increase in size for smoking less.

I suppose for stand off research of Metaphysical, Spiritual things is not so neccerseraly affected by weed, as it is say the practical application of it.

I can't remember where I heard it, but it is said at least 70% of the people in the UK have tried cannabis. It seems that the Spiritual segments of people is just as open to it as the general populace.

An interesting point, the SAS are allegedly the biggest drug trafficers in the world. If true, this is undoubtedly an unfolding STS plan. But the mainstream source of cannabis is uasually contaminated with other stuff. It is this that I have found the most dangerous thing about smoking it. The untrustworthy people who sell it by the tonne. Would this lead to possably assume that cannabis does not cause enough harm as it grows?

I'm not too sure where this topic is going, but one thing is sure. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who finds it useful rather than negative.

Love and Light

[Monica]

There's a lot of FUD going around about hemp..

It does not affect the body for 7 weeks. THC is broken down by the body in a few hours. The waste products get locked up in fat, hair and nails. These waste products are not psychoactive and do not affect the body in a proven way. They are only the method used for drug tests. THC is more difficult to detect, and it evaporates so quickly that there's almost no point testing for it.

The girl who had difficulty taking care of her toddler.. One way of saying it is that she smoked hemp and thus did not care for her toddler. The other probably more accurate way is saying that she found it difficult to cope with life as a single mother in American society and auto medicated with weed.

I still agree with the judges verdict. The girl needed intervention. Considering the amount of kids in the US put into prisons because of hemp he was mild. But parenting class no doubt helped the woman more than quitting the weed. She learned to cope in another way than smoking hemp. Thus acquiring self confidence and taking the upward spiral of seeing the result of the confidence and gaining even more. Quitting the weed just helped by breaking the cycle.

In my opinion as a clinical health psychologist. There is no strong reason why cannabis should result in stigma, imprisonment and the social outcries that it does. While on the other hand alcohol is completely accepted yet it kills and maims many many more people per year both directly and in traffic accidents. It causes some very serious and very big problems in society including violence. Don't get me started on the silent and needless addictions to prescription and over the counter drugs.

I am not trying to break a lance for Cannabis usage. In my opinion it's a drug, it's a vice. I don't much believe in spiritual side effects or healing. (It does tend to make the energy motions in the body more clear, but takes away some of the control over this.) I'm just advocating taking the common sense approach of tackling the bigger problems first.

I smoke the stuff. I don't cough up slime in the morning. I have a good job. I finished university. Bought my own house. Caught myself a wife. And go to the gym at least twice a week.. I'm not saying it's good for me. It probably isn't. But I can't drink alcohol because one glass of it messes me up. A beer is reasonably doable. A glass of red wine seriously hurts my stomach. And anything stronger I can't even hold down. My body just rejects it.

What usually happens is that I come home from work or the gym. I put up my feet, smoke one, then do some house chores or work on my game project. Chat with you guys. And then before bed I smoke another one.

Well said! I agree completely! I think, in a perfect world, we'd all be doing spacy meditation, yoga, etc. and wouldn't even feel the need for plant allies to help us relax at the end of a long day.

But in our present reality, I think weed is, by far, the lesser of the vices (and it's only a 'vice' for those who can't control it). I think the world would be a lot better place if people got high instead of drunk. There'd be less violence, fewer barroom brawls, fewer crimes of passion, fewer fatal car accidents, fewer family disturbances, etc.

That's not to say that weed is completely harmless! I still do contend that it can impair motivation and memory for some people. I'm just saying it's really ridiculous that it is viewed as so 'horrible' by many people who regularly indulge in alcohol and cigarettes. That's messed up.

[Ali Quadir]

Holes in the aura? I don't know. I've only heard of that in conjunction with halucinogens.

To add to the confusion This guy I know that sees aura's insists that holes appear when people are seriously drunk. Weed causes vortices and spiral distortions. It feels as if this description is not far off. But it's only second hand knowledge for me. I don't know what halucinogens would do.

[Monica]

To add to the confusion This guy I know that sees aura's insists that holes appear when people are seriously drunk. Weed causes vortices and spiral distortions. It feels as if this description is not far off. But it's only second hand knowledge for me. I don't know what halucinogens would do.

Hmmm...if that's true, then that would indicate a person isn't necessarily any more susceptible when stoned than when drunk.

Can you explain what you mean by vortices and spiral distortions?

[Phoenix]

Ra: I am Ra. There is no activity which this instrument engages in which
affects abilities negatively. There is one activity which affects its abilities
positively. This is the sexual activity, as you would call it. There are
substances ingested which do not aid the individual in the service it has
chosen, this being that which you would call the marijuana. This is due to
the distortion towards chemical lapses within the mind complex causing
lack of synaptic continuity. This is a chemical reaction of short duration.
This instrument, however, has not used this particular substance at any time
while performing this service. We believe we have covered the use of such
chemical agents as LSD, this being positive to a certain extent due to the
energizing or speeding up of the vital forces. However, it is not
recommended for this instrument due to the toll it takes upon the vital
energies once the substance wears off. This being true of any speeding-up
chemical.

Through the sound of it, it is just as harmful as sex. (sex releases dopamine into the blood, one such thing that cannabis does)

Regardless, Soberness does have it's uses

No offense, but the quote is RIGHT THERE and you seem to have misunderstood it.

Ra mentioned sex in this quote as positive, and marijuana as not aiding the instuments service. So the sex isn't harmful and the marijuana is, to this instrument, although doesn't go far enough to effect her abilities.

I can only tell you what I have seen in the aura's of marijuana users. (And I have seen to the extent of seeing that people have used it when they have not told me).

The aura directly infront of the their eye seems clearer and unmoving. A bit like a shock has been delivered to the persons mind and they cannot see energetically so clearly. (Or are not looking.)

Tolerance for substances ranges from person to person.

[Monica]

No offense, but the quote is RIGHT THERE and you seem to have misunderstood it.

Ra mentioned sex in this quote as positive, and marijuana as not aiding the instuments service. So the sex isn't harmful and the marijuana is, to this instrument, although doesn't go far enough to effect her abilities.

Good point. But, I wouldn't interpret it as being harmful, since the effects are temporary. Carla probably couldn't channel as well while eating, taking a bath, or in normal sleep state either; that doesn't mean those activities cause permanent damage!

I interpret Ra's words to mean simply that, while sex provided lasting positive benefits, getting high was benign, neither good nor bad, but simply not advisable when she was channeling, as it would interfere. I suppose having the tv on in the next room might interfere as well!

It's important to note that Ra was referring to the long-term effects on a particular person: Carla. Are we to assume that the same would be true for everyone? Ra's words would seem to indicate so, as they seemed to be describing the effects of the weed on synaptic activity. What we don't know is whether those effects actually result in permanent changes in some people. Just as some people can drink coffee and go right to sleep, while others get jittery, so too might weed have different effects on brain chemistry and function, depending on the person. The mind/body/spirit complex is very complex!

My one personal observation is that some people who get high do experience memory loss and amotivation syndrome, while others apparently don't. So it would seem that the effects may vary among different people, at least as far as memory and amotivation syndrome are concerned.

The people I've known to have those negative effects (myself included) did not have any permanent damage, as far as we could tell, after they quit. But there's no doubt that, while stoned, the brain is affected! As our president stated when asked whether he had inhaled, "That was the point." (I loved his answer!)

I dated a guy in college who always went to class stoned...and we were computer programming students! I tried it once, and never again! Whereas his mind comprehended technical data while stoned, mine just wanted to put on headphones and listen to Pink Floyd!

I can only tell you what I have seen in the aura's of marijuana users. (And I have seen to the extent of seeing that people have used it when they have not told me).

The aura directly infront of the their eye seems clearer and unmoving. A bit like a shock has been delivered to the persons mind and they cannot see energetically so clearly. (Or are not looking.)

Can you please elaborate on how you perceive auras, and what the difference might indicate? What do you mean by 'clear and unmoving' - is this a negative thing? Is this what you would call a 'hole?' How do you know what a 'clear and unmoving' aura would indicate? In other words what is its significance when compared to the auras of non-stoners?

And, what sort of variations have you observed in non-stoners? Have you seen the 'clear and unmoving' variation in stoners only? Was this seen only in those currently stoned, currently indulging but not at the moment, or those who had formerly indulged? I am very intrigued by this and would like to learn more!

Even though I no longer get high, I have friends who do, as well as teens who sometimes talk to me...and, to be honest, I can't say that I never will again. It's possible I might like to toke now and then someday when I'm old and wrinkled and sitting in a rocking chair with headphones listening to Pink Floyd! Or maybe it'll finally become legal and we start doing it openly...I'd like to know more about any possible spiritual ramifications, so I can consider this data if I'm ever interested in it again.

Tolerance for substances ranges from person to person.

Agreed!

[Ali Quadir]

Hmmm...if that's true, then that would indicate a person isn't necessarily any more susceptible when stoned than when drunk.

Can you explain what you mean by vortices and spiral distortions?

Take a towel put it flat on a table. Put your hand on the towel. Then rotate your hand pushing down on the towel and see the towel get pulled in a vortex or spiral distortion.

There's sometimes this notion that hemp smokers are more spiritual than alcohol drinkers. But if we look at the past both alcohol and hemp have been used in religious rites to put a seer in a state where he can do his work.

So this also would indicate that there is no big difference between spiritual sensitivity of being drunk or stoned. In my opinion there is no difference between the states at all. If weed would increase ones spiritual abilities, I believe our youth culture would be filled with young Buddhas...

I dated a guy in college who always went to class stoned...and we were computer programming students! I tried it once, and never again! Whereas his mind comprehended technical data while stoned, mine just wanted to put on headphones and listen to Pink Floyd!

I'm one of those... I'm practically always tinkering on software after smoking. It doesn't always work mind you. If you exaggerate you tend to get a good laugh looking at your code later. But usually it just works. I never did show up in college under the influence of anything. The furthest I went was after a particularly nasty examination getting together with some fellow "victims" and smoke one for good luck.

@Phoenix
Which eye are you referring to? The third eye? I have always understood that clear and unmoving was a good thing. Not a common thing but a good thing. One of those things you encounter in people who have been doing spiritual work for multiple lives.

[Sirius]

Hmmm...if that's true, then that would indicate a person isn't necessarily any more susceptible when stoned than when drunk.

Can you explain what you mean by vortices and spiral distortions?

Take a towel put it flat on a table. Put your hand on the towel. Then rotate your hand pushing down on the towel and see the towel get pulled in a vortex or spiral distortion.

There's sometimes this notion that hemp smokers are more spiritual than alcohol drinkers. But if we look at the past both alcohol and hemp have been used in religious rites to put a seer in a state where he can do his work.

So this also would indicate that there is no big difference between spiritual sensitivity of being drunk or stoned. In my opinion there is no difference between the states at all. If weed would increase ones spiritual abilities, I believe our youth culture would be filled with young Buddhas...

I dated a guy in college who always went to class stoned...and we were computer programming students! I tried it once, and never again! Whereas his mind comprehended technical data while stoned, mine just wanted to put on headphones and listen to Pink Floyd!

I'm one of those... I'm practically always tinkering on software after smoking. It doesn't always work mind you. If you exaggerate you tend to get a good laugh looking at your code later. But usually it just works. I never did show up in college under the influence of anything. The furthest I went was after a particularly nasty examination getting together with some fellow "victims" and smoke one for good luck.

@Phoenix
Which eye are you referring to? The third eye? I have always understood that clear and unmoving was a good thing. Not a common thing but a good thing. One of those things you encounter in people who have been doing spiritual work for multiple lives.

Creepy, the number of times I went to class at college wrecked. I was doing a BTEC National in IT practitioners. Programming networking etc.
In HONESTY I found the programming nearly impossible if I was sober, it would wind me up and frustrate me cuasing me to never make progress, it is the laid back approach which is what got me through the programming units. Networking was pretty fun also, still finishing the work before anybody else. Everybody knew, even the teachers, but as they saw it was NOT impacting my work, it was never brought up as an issue.

At school, taking my final exams I did stop smoking it outright for the 2 month period of which they all where in. With the mindset, you only have to do it once, so just do it well. My grades where pretty bismal, even my teachers where suprised and 3 of my papers where sent off for remarking becuase they just didn't believe that's what I did in the exam. Quitting the realxing drug during a tense period in life, did not work.

Pheonix, sorry about that. Re-reading it, i really didnt read it properly. I think this is most probably sue tp the ammount of groups which DO think sex is bad, I personally can't work out why, besides how it becomes a ruling factor in sombodys life. I guess after seeing Ra say the opposite, the rest is pants

I am going to attempt to spend a little less time on the forum and a little more in the books in the coming week

Drunkenness from my experience CERTAINLY opens you up to negative Spirits. Not just the ones which sit in your aura either. David Wilcock would say this has something to do with the pineal gland.

Weed if anything just makes you want to sleep when you start meditating, that is my experience.

Love and Light!!

[AlexKawajima]

Interesting Thread topic.
I figured that addiction would be good to be controlled, so I been working on it. It is quite a hard process. I smoked the reef for 15 years and felt the need to stop so I did. It began to make me really moody, extremely paranoid, and really sleepy. Back in the day I used to be able to write really killer guitar riffs. Being sober these days, that inspiration can be hard to come by although it does work itself out. While high and trying to play drums that is just a mess. It would be really hard to keep a beat and in the band I play in, that stuff is really technical and sophisticated so being clouded is just not a good idea.

I really like the smell of the ganja, but its just something I evolved past you could say. I support it though.
Alcohol is strange. I just now realized its not that big a deal to me although I really do like socially drinking and the taste of beer as well as sake. Getting drunk is just something I cannot do anymore. I need to be healthly. I have a soon to be newborn daughter coming and thats important to me. I never had a father in my life so I want to provide that and be a good father. The possibilities are endless on how you can be a total scumbag individual and ruin the lives of others and I do not want that.

Its really crazy how its all wired in us to have addictions, I mean I really love food for example. The thing is though, that I am always freaking hungry.......ARRRGGHHH. This even led me to believe that I may have been asian in my past life because I really enjoy all forms of asian food more than anything else and have a strong the asian culture very much.

I could go off about this and I plan to do so even more, but jeez my work computer hates this forum for some reason hahaha.

[Phoenix]

Can you please elaborate on how you perceive auras, and what the difference might indicate? What do you mean by 'clear and unmoving' - is this a negative thing? Is this what you would call a 'hole?' How do you know what a 'clear and unmoving' aura would indicate? In other words what is its significance when compared to the auras of non-stoners?

And, what sort of variations have you observed in non-stoners? Have you seen the 'clear and unmoving' variation in stoners only? Was this seen only in those currently stoned, currently indulging but not at the moment, or those who had formerly indulged? I am very intrigued by this and would like to learn more!

I see aura's as a huge gas like field, a slight variation, like an invisible something in a movie. With loads of shapes moving around very quickly. Nothing in the aura stays still for long. A blockage is usually a misdirecting of energy as oppose to something not moving. Or like, weakness. Weakness of energy.

This also interacts with feelings I feel about whatever I'm viewing.

@ Ali. Yes that was a mistype, I meant third eye. Probably could've said ajna which is the first thing I thought.

If you took an egg. Put it up to someone's forehead and smashed it with a hammer, and the egg stayed in mid air like that, two inches infront of someone's face. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.

Usually about 30 min after. But I really haven't asked enough times. It may go through sleep.

I have seen people smoking weed and sense no obvious discomfort, although I haven't seen aura's at that time. (My actual experience is somewhat lacking, this was one time with people and weed. Aura's was a seperate thing.)

However: Recent events have made me think about this a bit. Firstly Weed is EVERYWHERE. It is second only to alcohol, and maybe caffeine. Also, it being illegal in some places might make it seem subconsciously worse than it really is.

[Monica]

Also, it being illegal in some places might make it seem subconsciously worse than it really is.

That's for sure.