03-29-2011, 01:24 PM
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03-29-2011, 01:29 PM
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(03-29-2011, 12:30 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Great speech, but to me it sort of hinges on the premise that I'm indeed, somehow condemning. Not sure where these other responses, like 'military-like self-disipline' come from either. Sometimes I think we create our own ideological 'battles' to make ourselves feel more just in contrast. The imagination helping out the ego. I may have taken the contrast too far, you may be right about creating battles in our minds. The discipline part was me extrapolating: if you believe the best way to polarize to STO is to "suck it up" when it comes to pain rather than expressing your emotions and seeking comfort from other-selves then I would assume that you are on more of an ascetic path. I did that for a while and I felt like an orphan in boot camp. I do not believe harsh self-discipline is the best way to polarize to STO and Ra concurs: Quote:52.7 Questioner: Am I correct, then, in assuming that discipline of the personality, knowledge of self, and control in strengthening of the will would be what any fifth-density entity would see as those things of importance?
03-29-2011, 01:29 PM
(03-29-2011, 01:24 PM)norral Wrote: i just dont believe in karma personally. There are a lot of different interpretations of karma. In my understanding, karma isn't punishment for past actions (as some seem to think) but is simply the law of cause and effect. "As you sow, so shall you reap." Karma is just the mechanism by which we learn and evolve. The Wheel of Karma ensures that we attract that which we need for our soul's evolution. The best book on karma/reincarnation, in my opinion, is Many Mansions by Gina Cerminara. It's based on the Edgar Cayce readings and is very intelligently and compassionately written.
03-29-2011, 01:53 PM
intense suffering under the veil of 3d may not seem this way from a pre or post incarnation experience, indeed it is likely to be viewed as the richest of learning environments, the darkest of times often leading to rapid growth and development
in the same way that we look back on teenage angst, passion and drama with fondness and wry amusement once we hit our 30s or 40s, similarly our experience of 3d suffering is likey to change as our perspective changes as we move into larger life
03-29-2011, 02:01 PM
(03-29-2011, 06:51 AM)Ankh Wrote: Hmmm I wonder if I am going to be really crusified now but here it goes (and I am using a real touch of light here to make this situation understandable for me) - I imagine norral and zen as true soulmates from the same social memory complex who entered this incarnation in really despicable for each other forms. They wanted to know if their love would shine through despite everything. They had to know if they would recognize each other despite the veil and illusion, despite the form and words... That's an amazing idea! I have a friend who had an affair with her husband's best friend. (Long story I won't go into.) The 2 men ended up hating each other, but she loved them both, in different ways. After a long and twisted saga, once the dust settled, she told me, in a moment of stark clarity, she told me she had realized that, on a soul level, they were all from the same soul family and had agreed to go thru this experience, because they all 3 loved one another so very much, that they wanted to help one another evolve. This was about 25 years ago and I thought that was an incredibly profound concept, that my friend thought of. To be able to rise above the drama and see the love in the present moment...beautiful!
03-29-2011, 02:18 PM
I went through times where I felt home was 'somewhere besides here' right after I read the Law of One. Actually, one of the reasons I ended my partaking of reading the LOO on a regular basis was it became a distraction to me and my 'life' of living.
I discovered.....home is where ever I am at and am in awareness of myself. If I feel homesick...then this is a sign that Im not content and its OK to not be content all the time. Home is not someplace outside of earth or outside of ourselves. Home, is a state of being. Heaven, is a state of being. The kingdom....is within. Literally, we are of the stars. No matter where we are, if we can look upon mysterious space and a unknown unreachable place...we will feel longing now and then. If we are in a form that causes us to seemingly be separate from all other life (a phase of being amongst other phases of being), we may indeed get caught up in the idea that we should be in another place instead of where we are. Living for a future can also sometimes distract us. Living to graduate, can mislead us. Living in the past, can cause us to be stuck in something we cant change as well. The only thing you really can be sure of in living, is the now, this very moment. If you have 'hopes' for anything at all....try to not let that hope be too narrow (like for the self) but try to hold hope for a all. As we walk the path of wishing to leave here, wishing to graduate in the 'self phase' of being....we may drift from our natural nature in that we are a many in one, not a one in a many. What we may as individuals feel is 'ideal' may not be truth or real in the need of Spirit in perfect expression and renewal. Someone noticing that life seems unfair or 'ill' bases on their own bias, might be like a nerve center to the Holy Spirit to receive information for further growth and renewal as a whole. In the right state of being, home is where ever the 'true self' can 'be' in expression....through a facet of 'life'.
03-29-2011, 02:26 PM
(03-29-2011, 01:53 PM)Lorna Wrote: in the same way that we look back on teenage angst, passion and drama with fondness and wry amusement once we hit our 30s or 40s, similarly our experience of 3d suffering is likey to change as our perspective changes as we move into larger life I experienced something in meditation today. As I thought of the totality in 7D when it looks back before merging with the Source I wondered how this totality of one body/mind/spirit complex would be. Would it have any blockages for instance? Of course not! It is perfect! So I looked back at this Lesser self where this totality's focus is right now and thought of the orange blockage I am struggling with every day and the meaning of it - and one memory floated on the surface on my consciousness. Before age of 7 I had no such blockage, it was clear all the way up through the nexis. Therefore when I met people I wasn't afraid to be hurt or dismissed. I was loving and trusting. And when I met someone who didn't want it I just stood by their side waiting for them to open up and when they did I reached out in compassion. So why did I have to go through this whole drama later only to develop the orange ray blockage? There are loads of reasons for it, but one of them because it's a gift. We are eternal, perfect Beings and this is how we know it. That which we not appreciate right now, that which we whine about and dislike are gifts from our One Infinite Creator. It's hard to explain everything that I realised in words and in this limited space, but that's how I saw all the suffering, blockages, pain and drama - a precious gift.
03-29-2011, 09:37 PM
(03-29-2011, 01:24 PM)norral Wrote: but if your physical condition is so intense that just survival is a big issue then it is basically impossible to devote much time or thought to anything else. from a buddhist standpoint they would say that karma is involved but i just dont believe in karma personally. could it be choice that we make preincarnation. And sadly, it is something that the logoic powers know very well. As Ra said as part of 39.10 - Quote:The basic pivotal points of each level of development; that is, each density beyond second, may be seen to be as follows: Firstly, the basic energy of so-called red ray. This ray may be understood to be the basic strengthening ray for each density. It shall never be condescended to as less important or productive of spiritual evolution, for it is the foundation ray. The experiment has provided its knowing, but still, the powers that can change it cannot do anything about it, as the plan of the ages have to run the full course, despite whether many unsuspecting entities get crushed with needless incarnational pain in the process. With respect to pre-incarnational choice, I cannot quibble. It is freewill and that is period. But the problem is that there are random catalysts involved and it is just that-random-, which means it can be anything. Please sample the following extract from 33.12 - Quote:Firstly, the planetary catastrophes, as you may call them, are a symptom of the difficult harvest rather than a consciously programmed catalyst for harvest. Thus we do not concern ourselves with it, for it is random in respect to conscious catalyst such as we may make available. If planetary catastrophes can get random, then I shudder to think about it at the individual level, wherein unique circumstances can bring about the most nasty random situation. All the pain in Japan, in Haiti, in New Zealand, etc, were visible to everybody else. And thus, we are able to relate to those who suffer. And we cannot look them in the eyes and tell them that it may be random. Because they/we would definitely want to see some higher purpose behind the pain, in my opinion. But what about the individuals who cannot even articulate their position because of the extreme cruelty of the random catalysts that afflicted them or afflicts them? For instance, people on whom medical experiments were performed by the Nazis during WWII, while they were yet conscious?
03-30-2011, 12:18 AM
(03-24-2011, 11:33 AM)norral Wrote: lately i think quite a few of us have been experiencing intense feelings of home sickness . I just got to know from the LOO that there is something akin to homesickness. Quote:53.3 Questioner: Thank you. During my ..... I asked the question 'where is home?', because I was not able to understand the concept. Now, from the LOO, I see that there is probably something like that. However, I did not expect the turn of events that a simple question like that created ![]()
03-30-2011, 05:32 AM
Confused, your last post is very interesting. So Confederation contacts an entity of home like vibration in order to awake the entity. The Orion group contacts the entity in order to give message of doom and separation. Now we've been contacted and are awake and seeking. Still there come heavy feelings of homesickness and longning and missing. As this, in my case, one of my weakiest spots - I wonder if I am a subject then to Orion thought projection? One side of these emotions - it hurts, one wants to go home and there is feeling of separation. Sometimes I even get scared thinking that what if I don't make the Harvest, and in the mean time they will graduate into the next density, I will not, and will therefore be left behind, and in that case I will never see my brothers and sisters again. Obviously,these thoughts are not slightest positive. So it might be Orion projection, and they don't have to do much in my case, just push some buttons - and I am doing the rest myself. This is good to become aware of! Then we have the other side of these heavy emotions - love, like being around them, like they are here, just I can't see them, and I see the light in the horizon so to speak. But it feels like I should do something with these emotions, use them for the greater good so to speak. I am awake and seeking, but still these emotions come. It is probably so for several reasons. And I don't understand the message they are trying to give. But I should work with it, try to transform them into something useful, positive. But the hardest part is to stop being selfabsorbed and dwell in selfpitying when it comes as it is a normal, human reaction when one being away and remembers home. I read a text once that I edited and it goes like this: "We are all connected no matter how far we may be."
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Long before I even thought about extraterrestrials -i had some interest in reincarnation though and studied astrology- i wrote a song "Venus" living on "Starshiled Street" early one morning as I woke up and saw Venus next to Orion; The lyrics start with: Early one morning does Venus pass by she twinkles there through my window Orion the Hunter is next to her side old patterns emerging to cut through.... ...the last sentence I just translated now...don't know if it makes sense in english..perhaps i can consult you guys for the rest of the lyrics that i wanted to translate for a long time= =mercury retrograde:old items and issues coming back to be resolved.. ...also as i came upon Divine Cosmos years ago, first thing i read was a thread about the Orions being mostly negative....gosh I had extremely traumatic experiences prior to writing that song...and some after also and now i feel this has something to do with the Orions. Maybe i'm finally healing from all this, there's something in the air ![]() Venus has also been my focusplanet and i read "The mayan cosmogenesis" by Jenkins long before i knew about the LOO. A medium told me long ago I was a mayan in earlier life and i've been singing latinamerican liberationsongs in swedish two of them i translated from Atahualpa Yupanqui from Argentina, lyrics about the indigineous habitants in South America, i've collected clothes, medicine, wheelchairs, furniture for Nicaragua and one of my closest friends and 3 sons are peruvian indians... I never felt homesick for another dimension though, i aspire for "Heaven on Earth" /Heaven in ![]() Littlelady once introduced me to Bring4th! transiten (03-30-2011, 06:12 AM)transiten Wrote: Hi Suppose you know the Venus cycle being the prime interest of the Mayans; we're closing in on the recent Venuspassage ending in 2012, a time of social unrest, kingdoms falling and new technologies.
03-30-2011, 06:42 AM
(03-30-2011, 05:32 AM)Ankh Wrote: ...But I should work with it, try to transform them into something useful, positive. But the hardest part is to stop being selfabsorbed and dwell in selfpitying when it comes as it is a normal, human reaction when one being away and remembers home. I read a text once that I edited and it goes like this: "We are all connected no matter how far we may be." Dear Ankh, I understand the deep anguish in your post. It is hard, Ankh. Given your unconventional experiences since young, it is very likely that you are a wanderer yourself. And wanderers are characterized as brothers and sisters of sorrow. If you are a wanderer, it is very likely that you came here to alleviate sorrow. You must have seen the pain on this planet from higher densities (or more harmonious planets) and decided to be of help. But our planet is largely like a spoiled child. Even the most loving service from wanderers have been corrupted by ignorance and outright negativity of the normal earth being, which I think myself to be one too. For instance, the work of Albert Einstein has been co-opted to bring forth weapons of mass destruction. It is heart-wrenching, Ankh, to see that your labor, as a wanderer, is of practically no avail, and to see your work being wasted like proverbial pearls before the swine. It is thus natural to feel tired and to want to go home. It is something like a teacher pouring out herself to the best of her ability to bring an atrocious child in alignment with its true potential; but the child does not even understand the sacrifice or care the teacher is expending. How will the teacher feel? She will obviously feel discouraged and want to give up. I think that is the state of many brothers and sisters of sorrow. The average earth being does not appreciate their sacrifice and service; and the saddest part is that they do not even recognize that help is being offered. As regards Orion contact, it is to be expected if you are a wanderer. Wanderers of high positive polarity will be natural targets for the Orion crusaders to attempt to suppress, in order to keep the status quo of darkness prevailing. That is their duty and they are being true to it. That is their service to the ONE. The Orion feel that they are doing the right thing by suppressing compassion and expanding control through wisdom. I think the positive wanderers can learn from the Orion on that front in terms of persistence. Just as they are loyal to their calling, the positive wanderers should attempt to remain loyal to their own calling as well, in terms of persevering amidst the greatest of odds. Remember the beautiful entity of Jesus, Ankh. During his lifetime, his teachings were revolutionary, beautiful and filled with exalted compassion. But he met a painful eventuality. That is the burden that the positive carry. To give off of themselves for the greater good, even if completely unnoticed and unsung. You have made this home for a period, Ankh. And home is where the heart is. And your heart is obviously of love. May it shine and edify us. The harvest is likely at hand. It will soon be well for you individually, if you can retain the strength to finish the final lap on this long and insane relay race. That way, you will not have to go through 3D again.
03-30-2011, 06:42 AM
(03-30-2011, 06:12 AM)transiten Wrote: Early one morning does Venus pass by Hehe maybe you can post it to me in swedish? ![]() What a coincidence! I wrote a poem too when I was a teenager where I said that humans have a Venus soul (=spirit made of love, ie STO) but have eyes of Mars (=bellicose physical complex). Quote:Suppose you know the Venus cycle being the prime interest of the Mayans; we're closing in on the recent Venuspassage ending in 2012, a time of social unrest, kingdoms falling and new technologies.I read somewhere that Venus will soon (in May/June?) come close to Earth, like closest in 400 years or something? Do you know anything about that? I also read somewhere that the points when Earth and Venus come closest to each other creates a pentagram if you look at it from the space. Is it true? (03-30-2011, 06:42 AM)Ankh Wrote: Hehe maybe you can post it to me in swedish? Does this suffice, Ankh - Tidigt en morgon gör Venus passerar hon glittrar det genom mitt fönster Orion Hunter är bredvid hennes sida gamla mönster utvecklas för att skära igenom .... Sorry if it contains mistakes. I do not know even the most elementary basics of Swedish. Regarding your poem, Ankh, it is interesting that you used that metaphor of the eye of Mars and the soul of Venus. Most of the bellicosity on earth can be traced to the period when Martians were harvested and settled onto this planet, as per the LOO. And those of Venus (Ra) have been trying to spread the message of unity on this planet for eons. I think your subconscious was very aware of the play of the cosmos on earth, while you were young and without much exposure to material like the LOO. The LOO must have corroborated many of your intuitive feelings and thoughts. (03-30-2011, 06:12 AM)transiten Wrote: =mercury retrograde:old items and issues coming back to be resolved.. That seems to be happening a lot in my life and in the life of many others I know right now. Can you further expand on this in astrological terms, transiten? Nice name, by the way!
03-30-2011, 07:20 AM
Confused, you should be a writer. Your post was like a song of sorrow and cry, of pain and suffer, and yet, fiiled with love and light.
Thank you for the below message. It gave me strength. Quote:I think the positive wanderers can learn from the Orion on that front in terms of persistence. Just as they are loyal to their calling, the positive wanderers should attempt to remain loyal to their own calling as well, in terms of persevering amidst the greatest of odds. Thank you for the next below message, as it made me realise that I am selfish thinking about myself regarding the Harvest. I mean it in a positive way. I was in need of that message, it shook me up and made me feel guilty of being such a selfish child longing to go home. As Quo stated that we actually won on a lottery ticket by be able to be born upon this beautiful planet during this time. And I am wasting it with whine and ungrateful attitude. Anyway, I'll try to remember it and actually, maybe suck it up, in order to target my energies towards service to others, and not the self. Quote:The harvest is likely at hand. It will soon be well for you individually, if you can retain the strength to finish the final lap on this long and insane relay race. That way, you will not have to go through 3D again. Regarding the planet Earth. I imagine gaians in the future and think about joy we all will scream out the moment Gaians enter Confederation. I also imagine them in the future, when they are humble, loving, wise Beings of 6th density, trying themselves pull another planet through hard times of 3D and are Wanderers themselves. And I see this planet turning into a compassion light. Think about it, despite everything, heavy veil, yellow socities, there is still so much love and care across the world. People reaching out to each other and trying to help in every way they can. Unicef, is one of such corporations, Red Cross, Greenpeace, Save the Children and many, many more. People, despite everything, creating hospitals and institutions for those who are not capable to care of themselves and who don't have anyone to take care of them. Yes, it is not perfect, yes, it is sometimes influenced by negativity, but yet, the intentions are there. The most beautiful intentions in the Universe - reaching out to one another and offer help.
03-30-2011, 07:26 AM
(03-30-2011, 06:42 AM)Confused Wrote: It is heart-wrenching, Ankh, to see that your labor, as a wanderer, is of practically no avail, and to see your work being wasted like proverbial pearls before the swine. It is thus natural to feel tired and to want to go home. Sorry to bump into your conversation here, but I honestly think none of our efforts are being wasted. And of course we can never know for sure if our service is of help to others or not, but imo that does not really matter. All that matters is that we try to be STO as much as we can. The loving energy that we put out will stay and will help Gaia polarize positively. Nothing ever is lost.
03-30-2011, 07:36 AM
(03-30-2011, 06:53 AM)Confused Wrote:lol!!!(03-30-2011, 06:42 AM)Ankh Wrote: Hehe maybe you can post it to me in swedish? ![]() Quote:The LOO must have corroborated many of your intuitive feelings and thoughtsI still have not found all the words for everything that I felt when I realised what it was I was reading. To summarize it is impossible, but can be put like this: I don't believe it is actually happening! I don't believe that it is actually true! ![]()
03-30-2011, 09:10 AM
(03-30-2011, 07:26 AM)Meerie Wrote: Sorry to bump into your conversation here, but I honestly think none of our efforts are being wasted. Our conversation is definitely not exclusive, and now you too are part of that 'our'. That is the beauty of bring4th, in that it keeps growing and nurturing in terms of taking in multiple nodes under freewill. Thanks for enriching the dialogue with positive hope, light, and a resolute message of confidence, Meerie.
03-30-2011, 09:12 AM
Let me send you a big cyber hug, dear Confused!
![]() .... and everyone else reading this who wants one, too ! (03-30-2011, 07:20 AM)Ankh Wrote: The most beautiful intentions in the Universe - reaching out to one another and offer help. Amen to that, Ankh. (03-30-2011, 09:12 AM)Meerie Wrote: Let me send you a big cyber hug, dear Confused! ![]()
03-30-2011, 10:14 AM
03-30-2011, 10:47 AM
(03-30-2011, 07:20 AM)Ankh Wrote: Thank you for the next below message, as it made me realise that I am selfish thinking about myself regarding the Harvest. I mean it in a positive way. I was in need of that message, it shook me up and made me feel guilty of being such a selfish child longing to go home. As Quo stated that we actually won on a lottery ticket by be able to be born upon this beautiful planet during this time. And I am wasting it with whine and ungrateful attitude. Anyway, I'll try to remember it and actually, maybe suck it up, in order to target my energies towards service to others, and not the self. I think you're being too hard on yourself. Its impossible to become STO harvestable for only the "selfish" reason of not wanting to repeat 3D, you have to genuinely want to help others, so if you're moving closer to becoming harvestable its because you genuinely enjoy helping others even if consciously you believe its because of some seemingly selfish reason. Quote:Regarding the planet Earth. I imagine gaians in the future and think about joy we all will scream out the moment Gaians enter Confederation. I also imagine them in the future, when they are humble, loving, wise Beings of 6th density, trying themselves pull another planet through hard times of 3D and are Wanderers themselves. And I see this planet turning into a compassion light. Think about it, despite everything, heavy veil, yellow socities, there is still so much love and care across the world. People reaching out to each other and trying to help in every way they can. Unicef, is one of such corporations, Red Cross, Greenpeace, Save the Children and many, many more. People, despite everything, creating hospitals and institutions for those who are not capable to care of themselves and who don't have anyone to take care of them. Yes, it is not perfect, yes, it is sometimes influenced by negativity, but yet, the intentions are there. The most beautiful intentions in the Universe - reaching out to one another and offer help. That's beautiful, I never thought about Earthicans (Futuruma reference) becoming a 6D social memory complex and wanderers, but one day they will be.
03-30-2011, 12:53 PM
(03-30-2011, 10:47 AM)turtledude23 Wrote: That's beautiful, I never thought about Earthicans (Futuruma reference) becoming a 6D social memory complex and wanderers, but one day they will be. And imagine that in 3 billions years some odd looking 3D entities in Uranus will be reading books called "Gaia Material" and will just adore 6th Density Social Memory Complex called Gaia. (Of course before that the hell will break loose and all original teachings of Gaia will be distorted and Gaians themselves will be occused of this and that, but still...) ![]()
03-30-2011, 01:26 PM
(03-30-2011, 12:53 PM)Ankh Wrote: (Of course before that the hell will break loose and all original teachings of Gaia will be distorted and Gaians themselves will be occused of this and that, but still...) Tongue As they say, history repeats itself in cycles. But hopefully, it does not in the case of Gaian lessons on Uranus. I wish them all harmony and peace, like that of what Ra, the Venusians, enjoyed in their 3D ![]()
03-30-2011, 04:23 PM
On the subject of homesickess, I've always found this little gem of wisdom to bring the "truth tingles" to the spine!
![]() http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5IVuN1N6-Y
03-31-2011, 12:53 AM
(03-30-2011, 10:14 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Group hug!! Let's give the entire galaxy a group hug! This is what comes up when I imagine a group of wanderers celebrating 4D (no more feelings of homesickness, yeah!): http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ee_6wSqXwnw/Sr...s_gang.png Even Charlie Brown, who is the most depressed and homesick of them all, is smiling!
03-31-2011, 01:43 AM
(03-29-2011, 01:29 PM)turtledude23 Wrote:'You' as in 'me' ascetic? Not me. Emotions are an unconscious reaction to something not yet integrated, due to fear for integration of what the emotion is holding back to consciousness, for example. You might want to look at some possible techniques like EFT or Yuen method, or other similar ways of bringing out and acknowledging what the emotions are suggesting. It can be a little strange, but one thing that may be done is just sit with the energy, consciously, and work with it using the breath. The emotions and the breath are both a bridge between body and mind. The consequent dissipation of the emotional energy is hardly due to lack of expression. It's not only expression and conscious acknowledgement, but acceptance. One can 'express' the same emotion over a lifetime or many lifetimes before ever bothering to acknowledge the source. We have as long as we want though. Excuse me, hair shirt itches.(03-29-2011, 12:30 PM)zenmaster Wrote: Great speech, but to me it sort of hinges on the premise that I'm indeed, somehow condemning. Not sure where these other responses, like 'military-like self-disipline' come from either. Sometimes I think we create our own ideological 'battles' to make ourselves feel more just in contrast. The imagination helping out the ego.
03-31-2011, 08:02 AM
Don't forget. A very effective way to integrate emotions is to bounce them off the mirror of other selves.
03-31-2011, 08:07 AM
(03-31-2011, 12:53 AM)Meerie Wrote:(03-30-2011, 10:14 AM)3DMonkey Wrote: Group hug!! Let's give the entire galaxy a group hug! Hey, that is a funny and lively picture. Spiritual evolution is so much joy, if only we can let it be that way. Phew, humans love to create unnecessary complications, I guess. Thanks, Meerie. I see that you have changed your profile picture and put up your own (I guess). Are you becoming more confident in terms of revealing your deeper self, I wonder?
03-31-2011, 08:19 AM
Na, Confused, it is just part of me doing everything the other way round
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