Left with a feeling of doom

[jafar]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts guys.
Let me tell you this: For the most part, my life is seeking personal pleasure while trying in every possible way to not harm others in the process. Needless to say this is a very poop method of STS, as effective STS comes only from using others.
If I continue on this path I might end up with perfect 50% of polarization

Congratulations.
Just flow as it is, be yourself, every soul path is guaranteed to be unique.
No two soul will share exactly 100% the same path.

What you seek now and what you seek 1, 5, 10, 100, 1000, 100,000 years from now might be different.
But let it flow as it is, and accept the changes when it comes, it will come naturally.

Yet the end path of every soul is actually the same, unification with the infinite.
No matter which path that they took, every child will eventually return to the father's house.

[Ymarsakar]

Leafie every moment you are being observed and anything can be used as a test.

Some people think donating riches is good as it energy allows help to others.



The test is more complicated than that. There are bonus criteria.

[LeafieGreens]

Leafie every moment you are being observed and anything can be used as a test.

Some people think donating riches is good as it energy allows help to others.



The test is more complicated than that. There are bonus criteria.

Then I’m happy I’ve always stood up for the little guy in this life. I am surely here as some kind of helper.

Also very wary of my own pride here, lol.

[LeafieGreens]

Also, really enjoying the deep insights in this thread.

We’re all doing the work by reading and participating in these very words.

Much gratitude to all!

[Asolsutsesvyl]

So Ra and quo say: If you’ve been at least 51% of your time altruistic you go to a nice heaven and you’re gonna incarnate in a body with superhuman powers. If you’ve only been altruistic 50% of your time you need to reincarnate for other 75.000 years (probably forgetting your past at every reincarnation) in 3rd density again.

They don't measure in time. They don't measure in consequences either. It seems to be more or less a matter of intent or focus or orientation at a level beyond that of the brain-mind. That's vague, but basically... something about what people choose to be, or strive to be, what they value and try to manifest. "The choice" is more about polarizing in such a sense than in terms of concrete actions and results.

You can end up living in constant anxiety this way cause you have absolutely no way to tell how polarized you are.
Implicitly Quo is saying: “trade your current life’s happiness for much greater happiness in the next life.” What if that is a scam?

Not really. A difference is that polarizing in either direction goes hand in hand with truly finding it of the greatest value. You can't do it to get a reward, because then you're just looking our for number one. There's nuances of that kind to it.

What if theses channelings are just an extremely well made mind-trap delivered by some 5th density STS entity, for people like us that don’t fall too easily for the traditional dogmas like old school religions. 99% good stuff to lure you in and than hit with mind-handcuffs.
Maybe we all go to heaven after we die no matter what we did in this life.

Personally, I don't really believe the "person" a person is in this life survives the death of the brain. Anything that can be given or taken away by a change in brain functioning -- e.g. illness, damage, drugs, surgery, etc. -- will cease to be when the brain ceases to function. There may still remain something, and it may be a distinct being of sorts, but it's beyond human imagination.

Whatever the reality is, I think it can only be found by stripping away what is specific to cultural imaginations, and human-centric tendencies rooted in the limitations of our ape-like mentalities. Unfortunately, what you are then left with is very abstract. However, if you think life on Earth is basically hell (as you more or less suggested), then such a distillation which goes beyond concrete things is probably wherever you'll find something of real meaning.

[Ymarsakar]

The ego software can onoy survive recycling by ascension harvest.

Humans of a higher density harvest and destroy rocks. What criteria would allow the preservation and integration of animals and rocks?

[jafar]

Personally, I don't really believe the "person" a person is in this life survives the death of the brain. Anything that can be given or taken away by a change in brain functioning -- e.g. illness, damage, drugs, surgery, etc. -- will cease to be when the brain ceases to function. There may still remain something, and it may be a distinct being of sorts, but it's beyond human imagination.

Yes.. similarly in the same manner as jafar, Asolsutsesvyl or Rempi will not survive when bring4th.org become offline.
Nor when the admin of bring4th.org decided to disable those account (death of a webforum avatar)
The story of jafar, Asolsutsesvyl or Rempi is finished.

But not the story of the consciousness behind them.
Let's label the consciousness behind jafar, Asolsutsesvyl or Rempi as tne 1st degree higher self of jafar, Asolsutsesvyl or Rempi

The 1st degree higher self of jafar, Asolsutsesvyl or Rempi is definitely 'more aware' than jafar, Asolsutsesvyl or Rempi who are merely a webforum avatar. They can sign in as another avatar, have hundreds of other avatars in paralell in many other webforum or even on the same webforum bring4th.org. They can even create a webforum of their own and invite other consciousness to enter and create their own avatar in the webforum.

Thus what's left after jafar, Asolsutsesvyl or Rempi death is the 'consciousness' behind jafar, Asolsutsesvyl or Rempi.
Since we don't have the feature of 'veil of forgetting' here then we can say the  'consciousness' behind those web forum avatars are living human being with an electronic device connected to the internet. They projected a small portion of their consciousness into bring4th.org web forum as webforum avatar.

3rd density introduce the feature of 'tight memory isolation' called 'veil of forgetting' which seems starting to dissolve as the consciousness enter 4th density. When the consciousness behind jafar, Asolsutsesvyl or Rempi enter the webforum it somehow forget that it has many other avatars whether in the same webforum or in many other webforums. It also forget that it has human body sitting in front of the device connected to the internet. The consciousness is 'fully immersed' in their webforum avatar experience, fully identified with their webforum avatar and do not realize that there are many other realms beyond bring4th.org webforum universe.

We can also see how a person who experienced 'amnesia' forgot their identity before the amnesia happened. A merely wiping of memory enable a person with the same body to develop a new identity and evolve into a different character compared to before the amnesia happened. Every 'memory recall' that the person receive before the amnesia happened is experienced like 'past lives recollection' to them.

The Law of One, though beyond the limitation of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that:
all things are one,
that there is no polarity,
no right or wrong,
no disharmony,
but only identity
All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the infinite Creator.
-- Ra, January 22, 1981

Beyond 3rd density then the evolution is more towards 'identity merging' through 'memory recollection and sharing', thus the name "Social Memory Complex".

[meadow-foreigner]

Progressing towards density is similar to spawning to another level inside a game.

Actually at any time there's always the option of:

Game Administrator (GA): "Welcome back! I hope you had an exciting experience on your last incarnation, how may I help you?"
Player: "I've used up all of my allocated karma allowance from my father for this game, I would like to disable my account, I'm logging off from this game permanently"
GA: "We can certainly help you with that! Here you go! And congratulations! You have achieved what according to Ra as 8th density and what is known as "Mokhsa" in Hindu tradition and what is known as "Pari Nirvana" in Buddhist tradition".

Almost. 8th Density is just an octave higher in the infinite progression of evolution, for The Creation is infinite by definition.

[jafar]

Almost. 8th Density is just an octave higher in the infinite progression of evolution, for The Creation is infinite by definition.

Back to beginning, back to non-existence.
By becoming no-thing one become every-thing.
By having no-boundary one become infinite.

A creation is finite, all creation is infinite.

Using gaming metaphor, after the player taking a 'short break', he might want to experience another game title, but it's a different game title and not the game title that he just played. Instead of 'identity role playing game' that he just played he might decided to experience Tetris this time around. No contrasting polarity just a game of puzzle solving. The number of game title to experience is infinite.

[Sacred Fool]

 
I won't copy the whole thing here, but this session has a lot to say about despair.  If the topic really interests you, more can be read here:
https://llresearch.org/transcripts/issue..._0922.aspx

The despair of the mind is an empty thing, full of no virtue except that of self-destruction. Within the mind there are limitations which have been given to the self by the self. Some of these limitations are those called limitations of intelligence. One of the burdens of increased intelligence is an increased capacity for despair.

And what, my friends, is that of which the mind despairs? The mind despairs of its very limitations. In truth there are no limitations—there are only challenges, lessons and glory. Yes, my friends, we say glory, for the stronger the despair, the more glorious the battle which may be waged to outlast the feelings of helplessness, doom and foreboding, uselessness, boredom and disinterest that altogether add up to the definition of despair. The despair of the mind is that which is not, standing in the face of that which is. Therefore the state of mental despair is folly and almost always unproductive. However, the dynamic of despair—that is, midnight as opposed to noon—is available to everyone, every spirit that lives in mind and body in your illusion at some time within the incarnation. Therefore, although it is useless, it is a common experience. In the grand scheme, the very uselessness of despair is that which limits man’s ability to feel it. It is, rather, a dynamic against which one plays out one’s incarnation, the other dynamic being pure joy. It is between those two poles that one may analyze one’s true position with regard to the learning of the one great original Thought of love.

Therefore, that which is useless is rather a constant, an undertone within the life experience, always available, in which the mind knows nothing. Mental joy is the opposing dynamic in which the mind knows all. These are the limits within your illusion of that which we call love.
The despair of the body is a reflection of the despair of the mind. When an entity is in possession of mental despair and has not moved from that dynamic into a productive mode of thinking, analyzing, feeling and acting, that despair becomes incorporated within the body complex. Thence comes disease and ultimately death. Therefore, the wages of continued despair are the death of the body and therefore the death of the intelligence which informs the body. There you have form and function, form, as always, following function.

Spiritual despair, on the other hand, is an absolute necessity. It is, rather than being a zero, a moving dynamic within that which informs the growth and evolution of spirit. It is only metaphysical despair, that is, the recognition that one knows nothing, that one has lost control of everything, and that one is faced with complete darkness of soul which forces that great sliver or portion of the one Creator which is your consciousness to turn, transform, and begin the new; not having left behind that which is old in the soul, but adding unto it, accreting more wisdom, more compassion, and more and more of a feeling of unity which one can receive only when one has become desperate enough to release oneself from the expectation of any knowledge whatsoever.

 

In brief, if you're depressed, it might be because you're intelligent.  But you're still not smart enough to know that all the mental gyrations you can possible spin out won't get you off the starting line because you actually don't know enough to know that you don't know anything useful......beyond how to post stuff on an internet forum.  The mental approach (the blah, blah, blah) is folly because meaningful satisfaction does not enter through the mind....regardless of how satisfying it may feel to rant like this!

I hope this helps.

   
PS: It's funny to note that my style of humour is very seldom contagious.

  

[meadow-foreigner]

Change is a product of a choice that is first thought upon then acted on, in spacetime.

There can be no choice without awareness of the possible choices to choose from.

Decision is a product of Will.

Awareness precedes Will, and the latter is not necessarily a succedent certainty of the former.

To employ one's awareness to decide, one employs intelligence and consciousness. While this former is manifested through one's Mind, this latter is manifested through one's Spirit.

[Ymarsakar]

S sacred, yes helpful.

[flofrog]

Ymar, you mean he is funny ??  


**wicked smile**

[Sacred Fool]

 
Rise from your beds and walk, all ye doomed sufferers!  Claim your birthright and transform your lead into gold, your despair into expansiveness of being, your darkness into the light which you are!!!!


This disclaimer also works for me, by the way.

We thank you for asking this question in order that we may share what humble thoughts we may have with you. We realize that our style of speaking, reflecting as it does our density, may be less warming than others of your contacts. We are as we are, and we thank you for calling us from the very depths of our beings. We thank you also for being who you are, for you are all joys to us. ... I am L/Leema.

There is a way in which one may use mental despair and its reflection in the physical body complex to best effect. That is to transmute mental despair into what this instrument would call the dark night of the soul or spiritual despair. One cannot analyze despair and rise transformed. One cannot act out despair by illness and rise transformed. One can, however, seek the grace and comfort that is your birthright in transmuting that which is lower into that which is higher. For as you know, my friends, one portion of the creation is a holograph for all else in the creation, thus mental despair may, as alchemists [would] change lead to gold, be changed into the dark night of the soul, burnished and shining. This spiritual despair then may transform itself into great revolutions and positive and forward changes within the spirit.

The spirit is always the same. It is not a portion of your illusion. However, your perception of the spirit can only grow. All that you have learned before is still yours and all that is ahead of you shall be learned because of turning from despair. It is rare that one enters into or graduates from any initiation without the impetus, the pain, and the challenge of spiritual despair. Therefore, if your soul is in agony, rejoice, for it is from this point that all good comes. Despair is the great opportunity to endure, to show strength, to indicate faith, and to exercise the will, not just the will to think but the will to do.

 
 
AMEN!!!

  

[Black Dragon]

 
I won't copy the whole thing here, but this session has a lot to say about despair.  If the topic really interests you, more can be read here:
https://llresearch.org/transcripts/issue..._0922.aspx

The despair of the mind is an empty thing, full of no virtue except that of self-destruction. Within the mind there are limitations which have been given to the self by the self. Some of these limitations are those called limitations of intelligence. One of the burdens of increased intelligence is an increased capacity for despair.

And what, my friends, is that of which the mind despairs? The mind despairs of its very limitations. In truth there are no limitations—there are only challenges, lessons and glory. Yes, my friends, we say glory, for the stronger the despair, the more glorious the battle which may be waged to outlast the feelings of helplessness, doom and foreboding, uselessness, boredom and disinterest that altogether add up to the definition of despair. The despair of the mind is that which is not, standing in the face of that which is. Therefore the state of mental despair is folly and almost always unproductive. However, the dynamic of despair—that is, midnight as opposed to noon—is available to everyone, every spirit that lives in mind and body in your illusion at some time within the incarnation. Therefore, although it is useless, it is a common experience. In the grand scheme, the very uselessness of despair is that which limits man’s ability to feel it. It is, rather, a dynamic against which one plays out one’s incarnation, the other dynamic being pure joy. It is between those two poles that one may analyze one’s true position with regard to the learning of the one great original Thought of love.

Therefore, that which is useless is rather a constant, an undertone within the life experience, always available, in which the mind knows nothing. Mental joy is the opposing dynamic in which the mind knows all. These are the limits within your illusion of that which we call love.
The despair of the body is a reflection of the despair of the mind. When an entity is in possession of mental despair and has not moved from that dynamic into a productive mode of thinking, analyzing, feeling and acting, that despair becomes incorporated within the body complex. Thence comes disease and ultimately death. Therefore, the wages of continued despair are the death of the body and therefore the death of the intelligence which informs the body. There you have form and function, form, as always, following function.

Spiritual despair, on the other hand, is an absolute necessity. It is, rather than being a zero, a moving dynamic within that which informs the growth and evolution of spirit. It is only metaphysical despair, that is, the recognition that one knows nothing, that one has lost control of everything, and that one is faced with complete darkness of soul which forces that great sliver or portion of the one Creator which is your consciousness to turn, transform, and begin the new; not having left behind that which is old in the soul, but adding unto it, accreting more wisdom, more compassion, and more and more of a feeling of unity which one can receive only when one has become desperate enough to release oneself from the expectation of any knowledge whatsoever.

 

In brief, if you're depressed, it might be because you're intelligent.  But you're still not smart enough to know that all the mental gyrations you can possible spin out won't get you off the starting line because you actually don't know enough to know that you don't know anything useful......beyond how to post stuff on an internet forum.  The mental approach (the blah, blah, blah) is folly because meaningful satisfaction does not enter through the mind....regardless of how satisfying it may feel to rant like this!

I hope this helps.

   
PS: It's funny to note that my style of humour is very seldom contagious.

  

Those "metal gyrations" might be a fine stepping stone. How long it will take for a given soul to use them as such rather than getting stuck in loops, well, that's up to a lot of factors not the least of which is free will.

It's not so much that the mind can't be involved in, or integrated with the higher faculties, and thus "meaningful satisfaction" ...it's just so often in this veiled experience we are having, the mind is seen as separate or superior from the faculties that should guide it. Or for some individuals they aren't even aware of the existence of those higher faculties at all. They think they are simply a product of logic and instinct.

The mind is like a vehicle. Let's make it fun and call it a starship. Who's in the captain's chair, one's higher divine faculties, or one's ego and brain stem instinct?

[Ymarsakar]

Humans don't call it a lizard brain for no reason.

[Sacred Fool]

It's not so much that the mind can't be involved in, or integrated with the higher faculties, and thus "meaningful satisfaction" ...it's just so often in this veiled experience we are having, the mind is seen as separate or superior from the faculties that should guide it. Or for some individuals they aren't even aware of the existence of those higher faculties at all. They think they are simply a product of logic and instinct.

Right.  Also it's the deeper faculties, those in the so-called roots of mind, which are very often overlooked for the same reasons.  It's just so conceptually challenging to use the part of mind which facilitates our travel through the illusion to tune into the outrageous power of the deepest love....or the deepest pain (ultimately due to love), for that matter.

To use a negative example, a person can feel so deeply that they are unreasonably out of tune with their true being that they can cause a poltergeist effect.  I'm thinking in particular of Matthew Manning, a British psychic and healer who caused poltergeists beginning around puberty, but found they went away for a time if he fell into automatic writing and allowed his psychic abilities--of which he was wholly unaware theretofore--to come forward.

In a positive sense, such profound alignments of inner feeling can produce various positive effects.  Ra calls this sort of alignment of being "polarisation."  (Also, "grabbing the needle," as it were {of the compass.})  But as you typed above, it is very hard to hold space for such levels of the deep mind with the illusion-oriented portions of the mind.  It's much easier to just walk right past them as if they have no essence at all than to bravely acknowledge the veracity of their capacity, if you will.

 

[Ymarsakar]

"In a positive sense, such profound alignments of inner feeling can produce various positive effects. Ra calls this sort of alignment of being "polarisation." (Also, "grabbing the needle," as it were {of the compass.}) But as you typed above, it is very hard to hold space for such levels of the deep mind with the illusion-oriented portions of the mind. It's much easier to just walk right past them as if they have no essence at all than to bravely acknowledge the veracity of their capacity, if you will."

All people can do is to experience psionic abilities personally. That way they don't have to theorize or try to debunk whatever they read or see on the tv/internet. Personal experience is far better than reading books. Remembering is better than reading too.

What holds humanity back is that they think psionics is some kind of super rare ability of adepts or "people known only in myth". THat's not the case if people really believe humanity is graduating to 4th density, where pretty much everyone is telepathic to one degree or another.

[Sacred Fool]

All people can do is to experience psionic abilities personally. That way they don't have to theorize or try to debunk whatever they read or see on the tv/internet. Personal experience is far better than reading books. Remembering is better than reading too.

Agreed.  And just to be clear, the point I was trying to make was not about having a gift for extraordinary psychic abilities (such as Manning), because manifesting such things is clearly not part of everyone's incarnational plan.  I was just trying to point to the crucial importance the deep feeling portion of the mind can play in the course of one's spiritual unfolding during an incarnation.

Swinging back the topic of this thread, if you are feeling a sense of doom, then harmonizing with that area of self can be highly beneficial.  Although, like so many other things, on the one hand it's not easy work, but on the other hand, this makes the journey to experience it all the more personally significant.

 

[unity100]

Your perceptions are shaped by the existing semitic religions on this planet. There isnt a 'heaven' or 'hell' in any of what Ra describes. Like said in some earlier philosophies, you take your heaven or hell to the other side. For a positively polarized entity, positive planets are heaven an negatives are hell, and for the negatively polarized entity, vice versa. This is not a case of 'doing good deeds to accrue points to qualify for rewards'.

Lightly studying a few Eastern religions to see how much different can different religious perspectives be, could help you free your perspective of the semitic viewpoint and allow you to evaluate what you read more clearly.

[tadeus]

The concept is that of successful graduation or failure to graduate.
So Ra and quo say: If you’ve been at least 51% of your time altruistic you go to a nice heaven and you’re gonna incarnate in a body with superhuman powers. If you’ve only been altruistic 50% of your time you need to reincarnate for other 75.000 years (probably forgetting your past at every reincarnation) in 3rd density again.

Yes - this 75.000 years or less sounds much for a life period of about 80 years.
But the concept is that time only is relevant in space/time and not in time/space.
So when you will not make a choice it should be seen as pleasure to get more time to make the choice.

The second thing is to see the "time" between the incarnations and not only the time in incarnation.
It must be seen as your life plan that you will set up for a new incarnation again and again until you will fulfill the choice.

Maybe it is helpful to read a little bit from Rudolf Steiner?
He is writing about the concepts specially here on earth and more about what is going on between the incarnations.
So Ra can help to understand the "galactical concept" of the creation with a view from an "outer" perspective.
When you want to learn more aspects about the "inner" perspective of life on earth maybe Rudolf Steiner can give you some facets for understanding this better.

[unity100]

There is no need for any feeling of doom. Entities incarnate into places and conditions that are compatible with their existing m/b/s formation and polarization. There is absolutely no problem with re-incarnating into a 3d society on a different planet into conditions compatible with your own being. You would fit in and be comfortable. Incarnating into incompatible conditions would be a hell. Even if these conditions are 4d conditions.

This is not a case of 'heaven/hell' reward scheme that is propagated by semitic religions. You must free yourself from the trappings of these religions - even if you are not a religious person or even not a believer of any religion, the cultural paradigms that seep into your society or your sociocultural group from these religions can shape your perception and push you towards having such a 'heaven/hell - reward/punishment' approach.

You are on your own spiritual journey. You must keep traveling. That's all there is.