Is there a need for death in fourth density?

[Doomchief]

Discussing the archetype Significator of the Mind (Hyerophant) which as I understand is likened to the significant self or the accumulation of all the experience of the mind through incarnations, Ra translate the hieroglyphs:

Let us, in the rough, suggest that the information written upon these cartouches be understood to be such as the phrase, “And you shall be born again to eternal life.”

[Anders]

Discussing the archetype Significator of the Mind (Hyerophant) which as I understand is likened to the significant self or the accumulation of all the experience of the mind through incarnations, Ra translate the hieroglyphs:

Let us, in the rough, suggest that the information written upon these cartouches be understood to be such as the phrase, “And you shall be born again to eternal life.”

It could mean I guess born again once to eternal life. Similar to how the Bible talks about being born again through water and Spirit, whatever that means.

In for example fifth density it doesn't make sense to reincarnate as a baby, and other forms of reincarnation would simply be a travel to another realm/world which the person in fifth density can do without having to reincarnate.

[Anders]

Here I found another thing Ra mentioned when asked whether the channeled information was delivered because we are entering a period of harvest, and Ra answered: "The answer, in short, is yes." (6.20)

I have noticed that a lot of people on the internet are becoming aware of the Law of One and are talking about it and presenting their views. Could mean that the time of harvest is upon us! Because if the harvest is say 100 years from now, then the channeling would have happened at a much later date in the future I estimate.

[Doomchief]

Look and you shall find. Keep up the search and you'd have your answers. Just remember, that they are all within you and a lot of them are of a non-intelectual nature.

[Patrick]

Death in fourth density makes even less sense to me than in third density...

Dying in space/time is just waking up in time/space. When you wakeup after a dream, do you mourn the character you were playing in that dream? That character basically died in that dream when you woke.

In higher densities there is no veil, so you actually see the person exit their body and you can still communicate with them. There is no loss. They are just going to time/space to take a little break and they'll be back in another costume (body).

[Anders]

Death in fourth density makes even less sense to me than in third density...

Dying in space/time is just waking up in time/space. When you wakeup after a dream, do you mourn the character you were playing in that dream? That character basically died in that dream when you woke.

In higher densities there is no veil, so you actually see the person exit their body and you can still communicate with them. There is no loss. They are just going to time/space to take a little break and they'll be back in another costume (body).

If there is no forgetting, then why the need to reincarnate in higher densities? It doesn't compute. Especially since there is no body of flesh to rein-carn-ate (carn means flesh I think) to. Also, in higher densities we are a whole social memory complex and not just a single individual. The Dalai Lama said if I remember correctly that there is reincarnation, but it's not personal.

[Ymarsakar]

There are veils at higher densities. Just not the 3d ones

Split water into smaller vessels. It remembers shape but is less than the sourc2

[Anders]

I now found a logical explanation for why we age. Cells can rejuvenate themselves through asymmetric cell division. Stem cells can do that and of course the simple (prokaryotic) bacteria survive for billions of years.

"Questioner: Can you tell me the reason for this shortening of life span?

Ra: I am Ra. The causes of this shortening are always an ineuphonious or inharmonious relational vibration between other-selves. In the first cycle this was not severe, but due to the dispersion of peoples and the growing feeling complex/distortions towards separateness from other-selves." - Law of One 20.16

I think that's it! The reason for aging is the inner conflicts caused by separation. Even second density beings such as plants and animals are struggling as separate entities. Even first density entities such as rocks wear down. Increase of entropy is only a surface explanation then and there is a deeper cause which is the vibrational level of density on a planet. The stones of the Great Pyramid at Giza are built by what Ra calls everlasting rock indicating first density material resonating at a higher density level.

[Sacred Fool]

I think that's it!

If you go back to page two of this very thread, you'll see there this very same quote already quoted.  I say this only to suggest, my friend, that you might travel more steadily if you would reduce your velocity to a leisurely pace so that might have more opportunity take in the scenery.  It might be worth trying?
 

[Ymarsakar]

I see it as synchronicity. Only when separate individuals have thr same thought or conclusion can they verify that this is not just their ego separation talking.

The way things work in 3den is linear. Ideas transmit via talking. Monkey sees, monkey do. Mimicking. Copy catting. In 4th, many can begin having the same ideas in parallel. This should be studied and accepted.

It is not about consensus reached by, ego agreement. It is a super ego grid.

[Patrick]

Dying in space/time is just waking up in time/space. When you wakeup after a dream, do you mourn the character you were playing in that dream? That character basically died in that dream when you woke.

In higher densities there is no veil, so you actually see the person exit their body and you can still communicate with them. There is no loss. They are just going to time/space to take a little break and they'll be back in another costume (body).

If there is no forgetting, then why the need to reincarnate in higher densities? It doesn't compute. Especially since there is no body of flesh to rein-carn-ate (carn means flesh I think) to. Also, in higher densities we are a whole social memory complex and not just a single individual. The Dalai Lama said if I remember correctly that there is reincarnation, but it's not personal.

The word (re)incarnation might not be the best word for higher densities. When you are acting in the space/time of any of the densities, you need a vehicle of some kind.

The reason we change vehicle in higher densities is not super clear, but the way I see it is that you are somewhat tired of the vehicle and just want to change.

In 5D and 6D, I don't think you need to "die" to change vehicle, you can pretty much change the form of your vehicle. In 6D you can just spawn a vehicle whenever you wish to act in space/time.

57.33 Questioner: Thank you. I want to go on more questioning on the pyramid, but I want to ask a question [name] has here. I’ll throw it in at this point. Could you please expand on the concept of space/time and time/space and how to get past this, the concept of these things, and at what density level do these concepts no longer affect the individual?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full query of this working. This instrument has some vital energy left. However, we become concerned with the increasing distortions of the body complex towards pain.
The space/time and time/space concepts are those concepts describing as mathematically as possible the relationships of your illusion, that which is seen to that which is unseen. These descriptive terms are clumsy. They, however, suffice for this work.

In the experiences of the mystical search for unity, these need never be considered, for they are but part of an illusory system. The seeker seeks the One. This One is to be sought, as we have said, by the balanced and self-accepting self, aware both of its apparent distortions and its total perfection. Resting in this balanced awareness, the entity then opens the self to the universe which it is. The light energy of all things may then be attracted by this intense seeking, and wherever the inner seeking meets the attracted cosmic prana, realization of the One takes place.

The purpose of clearing each energy center is to allow that meeting place to occur at the indigo-ray vibration, thus making contact with intelligent infinity and dissolving all illusions. Service-to-others is automatic at the released energy generated by this state of consciousness.

The space/time and time/space distinctions, as you understand them, do not hold sway except in third density. However, fourth, fifth, and to some extent, sixth, work within some system of polarized space/time and time/space.

The calculations necessary to move from one system to another through the dimensions are somewhat difficult. Therefore, we have the most difficulty sharing numerical concepts with you and take this opportunity to repeat our request that you monitor our numbers and query any that seem questionable.

[Patrick]

There are veils at higher densities. Just not the 3d ones

Split water into smaller vessels. It remembers shape but is less than the sourc2

The veil in higher densities is chosen moment by moment. Instead of being enforced as it is in 3D.

The entity chooses what they see and what they are aware of in order to do work of a particular nature that it wishes to accomplish.

Without this the distractions would be enormous if you just allowed yourself to see all and be aware of all.

Also without any veil of any kind, you are basically just the One Infinite Creator without filters. You are outside the systems of illusions.

[Anders]

The word (re)incarnation might not be the best word for higher densities. When you are acting in the space/time of any of the densities, you need a vehicle of some kind.

The reason we change vehicle in higher densities is not super clear, but the way I see it is that you are somewhat tired of the vehicle and just want to change.

In 5D and 6D, I don't think you need to "die" to change vehicle, you can pretty much change the form of your vehicle. In 6D you can just spawn a vehicle whenever you wish to act in space/time.

One idea that came to me which may sound funny is that in higher densities we will still sometimes want to have children, and then reincarnation is necessary! Because then some souls need to reincarnate, but it may be a conscious choice, because as you wrote, in 5D and 6D we can shapeshift our bodies into all kinds of things, and teleport etc.

[Ymarsakar]

"The entity chooses what they see and what they are aware of in order to do work of a particular nature that it wishes to accomplish."

Even with 7 density teachers, iamraw smc is not aware of what 7th density is other than some minor hints. They hope to get that truth.

This is akin to seniority of vibration.

You cannot simply choose to know what is above you or not you. You have to earn it. That is a veil.

[Anders]

If I heard it correctly, Ra said that in higher densities we choose when to reincarnate. And then I find death and reincarnation in higher densities to be fine. It's the death and reincarnation in third density that scares me. And even if I can overcome the fear it still feels really tedious to have to die a physical death and reincarnate.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Yikes, maybe death literally is an illusion. And that Jesus actually meant by letting the dead bury the dead that our current third density world is a false reality.

Even the more extreme New Age ascension teachings I have seen start with the assumption that our current reality is real and that ascension is necessary in order to transcend death. Ra calls even higher densities levels of illusion but that could be a Law of Confusion explanation to more gently lead us to realize that we are now living in kind of a Plato's cave.

In short, my new idea is that third density is an illusion and that the higher densities are the actual reality. And it's like in the movie A Beautiful Mind where [spoiler alert] the agents in the beginning of the movie interacted with the main character and later the agents start to look more and more cartoonish until it's revealed that the agents are just illusions in the main character's mind.

Anders, do you keep a journal? If not, consider it? There are some of us that find it useful to jot ideas into a journal so that later we can reflect on them. I, myself keep a journal.

Until we merge with The Creator, all is an illusion. There is no-thng outside of it. We are all dancing thoughts. This, as you can see, why we truly cannot die and the only time death becomes a sort of reality is when our lower self or what is termed the egoic self is running the show because it believes it to be true and lives by the slogan; " eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you shal die". In truth, how can one really die when God itself cannot die and we live within it's bosom? We must transform however. We must shed this faulty skin suit for something more perfected and more appropriate for the next density and even if one were to go to another 3rd density, mixed polarity planet, it must need another body that will become it's new vehicle for travel within the new location. In this reality, our yellow ray bodies are far too heavy and they certainly do not age well as you can see with all the plastic surgeons and even medical doctors that try their best to prolong these bodies that eventually die in about 80 years or so. Die I mean like a cell within the body dying; once we get to where we are going, we step into a new vehicle ready for the next incarnation.
TCIM is a wonderful text. It offers a lot of wisdom.
This other seeker ***Doomchief said if we look at the Archetype for death, Key 13 or the Reaper, we are seeing that it is actually referring to "Transformation" of the body and that something beyond the body survives Death and that is the seed of Life.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Discussing the archetype Significator of the Mind (Hyerophant) which as I understand is likened to the significant self or the accumulation of all the experience of the mind through incarnations, Ra translate the hieroglyphs:

Let us, in the rough, suggest that the information written upon these cartouches be understood to be such as the phrase, “And you shall be born again to eternal life.”

It could mean I guess born again once to eternal life. Similar to how the Bible talks about being born again through water and Spirit, whatever that means.

In for example fifth density it doesn't make sense to reincarnate as a baby, and other forms of reincarnation would simply be a travel to another realm/world which the person in fifth density can do without having to reincarnate.

water....could mean Astral Light as all things come from this source. Remember what I talked about the literal meanings of words. There are a lot of blind in the Bible. All things come through the womb of Creation born and created by Astral Light which looks like waves of water moving.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

There are veils at higher densities. Just not the 3d ones

Split water into smaller vessels. It remembers shape but is less than the sourc2

Not according to the Ra Material or other ancient teachings. Not saying you are incorrect that you have read it somewhere else, but that in all the other writings there is no veil between us being in direct communion with The Creator like there is in 3rd density.

[Anders]

Until we merge with The Creator, all is an illusion.

That's a good point. I have even been thinking of the infinite creator as changeless. Brahman is changeless and in the Bible it says somewhere: "I the Lord do not change."

And it's not a separate God up in the sky. We ARE the manifestation of the infinite creator. So we too, like the creator, are indestructible. I wouldn't call our reality illusion though. I know that Ra calls it that. I call it the manifestation.

[Ymarsakar]

"Not saying you are incorrect that you have read it somewhere else, but that in all the other writings there is no veil between us being in direct communion with The Creator like there is in 3rd density."

It's not due to reading "it somewhere else".

What I wrote is "There are veils at higher densities. Just not the 3d ones"

The 3d veil would be what those writings you refer to are talking about. This is the Veil of Illusion and Maya.

The other veils are not the Veil of Illusion and Maya.

What most spirits consider as "The Creator" is a limited perception of a person or group of elders that mentor them and have personality complexes even. That is not the Creator/Prime Source. But a step or even more than a few steps, below.

This would be the Veil of Unknowing or the Veil of Divinity.

Because humans keep using the same word to apply to complicated multidimensional topics, words such as "love" or "veils", they get confused into thinking they are talking about the exact "some thing".

This is why names, even specific names, are required to advance in the 5th chakra realm. This would be a lesson out of order or not in the current curriculum for those seeking the 4th chakra graduation test. What resonates positively or negatively, or not resonate at all, conforms to your own individual spiritual progress and plan/mission. A 3rd grader is not gonna resonate with calculus most of the time, unless they are unorthodox.

"Not according to the Ra Material or other ancient teachings."

Not according to your interpretation of the Ra Material or other ancient teachings. Which I note is based now on memory and not the actual text quotations.

"Until we merge with The Creator, all is an illusion."

But according to the Ra material and your interpretation of ancient teachings, you somehow "know" what the illusion is before you go back to Source?

Heh. Do not underestimate the power of the Veil of Unknowing and Divinity.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

"Not saying you are incorrect that you have read it somewhere else, but that in all the other writings there is no veil between us being in direct communion with The Creator like there is in 3rd density."

It's not due to reading "it somewhere else".

What I wrote is "There are veils at higher densities. Just not the 3d ones"

The 3d veil would be what those writings you refer to are talking about. This is the Veil of Illusion and Maya.

The other veils are not the Veil of Illusion and Maya.

What most spirits consider as "The Creator" is a limited perception of a person or group of elders that mentor them and have personality complexes even. That is not the Creator/Prime Source. But a step or even more than a few steps, below.

This would be the Veil of Unknowing or the Veil of Divinity.

Because humans keep using the same word to apply to complicated multidimensional topics, words such as "love" or "veils", they get confused into thinking they are talking about the exact "some thing".

This is why names, even specific names, are required to advance in the 5th chakra realm. This would be a lesson out of order or not in the current curriculum for those seeking the 4th chakra graduation test. What resonates positively or negatively, or not resonate at all, conforms to your own individual spiritual progress and plan/mission. A 3rd grader is not gonna resonate with calculus most of the time, unless they are unorthodox.

"Not according to the Ra Material or other ancient teachings."

Not according to your interpretation of the Ra Material or other ancient teachings. Which I note is based now on memory and not the actual text quotations.

"Until we merge with The Creator, all is an illusion."

But according to the Ra material and your interpretation of ancient teachings, you somehow "know" what the illusion is before you go back to Source?

Heh. Do not underestimate the power of the Veil of Unknowing and Divinity.

OK.
What you said.