1983.08.21: Latwii on acceptance, treating others

[Agua]

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[AnthroHeart]

Question: do we all agree that it is chiefly the mind and thought that creates blockages?

The blockage was put in place in order to not experience a certain energy or emotion. So the blockage will persist until one experiences the blocked energy or emotion.

But i guess we agree on that!
But its an implication i wanted to point out, since this is a common trap, and i find it especially common on this forum.

Thank you for that. I have a tendency when I feel an emotion to want to shift it to some other energy feeling
instead of just experiencing it and letting it ride out. I think by this I am "balancing" it. But then I wonder why it
comes up again and again.

[rva_jeremy]

Yeah IGW thanks for following up here. I agree that blockages can be sensed in the body; I just don't think that's their origin. Those of Ra say the mind is the creature of the body the body is the creature of the mind (thanks Peregrine!), and I think in this case that's doubly true. We decide not to experience an aspect of an emotion, so we erect a blockage. The body then registers this blockage if it persists long enough, first as merely a tightness or aching, but I imagine eventually it can transform into an actual illness.

But I sort of wanted to be clear that nobody thinks clearing blockages involves working with the spirit complex in some special way, at least not primarily. Not trying to draw a hard and fast distinction there; I just think it's very helpful to approach our blockages as one of changing our thinking and using the body as sort of a sounding board for tuning in on the blockages.

With respect to diet, is diet not a decision arrived at by the mind? When diet confers a certain sensation upon the body that affects blockage, is it the food itself doing that, or is the food a reflection in manifestation of a deeper thought process?

By the way, this is kind of my rule for dealing with the metaphysical: cause and effect are rather murky, not because there are no causes, but because the level at which you perceive the cause and the effect determines what makes sense as an explanation. The phenomenon is always a unified whole of which we see only one small and narrow aspect, angle, or dimension of at a time. We can build cause and effect relationships within that narrow frame of reference, but it doesn't mean there aren't other frames of reference in which another explanation is just as true. Furthermore, it means that both of those explanations are true while being incomplete in and of themselves because, as I will exhaust y'all by continuing to point out, we do not see the whole picture. So we come up with models that seem to conflict that explain all the different ways this might work in its different frames of reference.

For example, if you eat a poor diet because you don't love yourself enough to go to the trouble to eat better, the diet could be said to manifest health problems. However, you could as easily say the mind's decisions and thinking about the self caused it. You could also frame it as a disconnection with spirit that fails to impress the divinity of ourselves upon ourselves. All are true, just from different ways of thinking, but all are incomplete because they leave out certain crucial details that we need in order to reason about our lives and act upon the results.

I find it very useful to think in these terms, and it helps me avoid pointless debates and arguments. Most importantly, it helps me to not cling too tightly to comfortable models I might hold in my head. We exist in a mystery, and any solution to it is tentative, any explanation or model merely a reductive tool for helping us think through a particular situation rather than a comprehensive law of reality.

[rva_jeremy]

However there could be a temptation to say "the mind created the blockage so i will solve the blockage mentally".

This is not possible.
The blockage was put in place in order to not experience a certain energy or emotion. So the blockage will persist until one experiences the blocked energy or emotion.

Yeah, these are very nuanced and delicate matters we're discussing; thanks for the refinements.

I hear you saying that, while the mind is the prime mover here, it's not as simple as "unthinking" it. This portrays the task as a totally intellectual one, and it is not. Couldn't agree more.

I wonder how our preexisting biases play into this, too. Like if we have had fifty lifetimes of not looking at an emotion, on what level is the mind as we usually think of it really "deciding" anything? I suppose you could say it's a matter of the deeper mind, but then that places the matter outside the conscious self's purview absent more exotic means!

Perhaps this is the whole utility of catalyst: to give the conscious mind a chance to reconfigure the deeper biases with the powerful tools of incarnate experience. We are, in other words, approaching the blocking thinking from the other side. And I think it's precisely for that reason that your advice, Agua, to not consider it an intellectual task is important. If we can feel the emotion in spite of our deep mind's bias, we can possibly provide sufficient experience to undo the bias, as it is no longer needed in order to deliver balancing experience.

Does that make any sense? I know I'm probably making this too rigid and formulaic; I don't consider the model described above as authoritative, it's just a tool for thinking about the relationship between thought, emotion, and blockage.

[AnthroHeart]

I agree that blockages can be sensed in the body; I just don't think that's their origin.

I agree with you there. Sometimes things just don't register with me, or are not obvious. I didn't read that well into what you had written before. I wonder if blockages begin with a belief in the mind. Or if it's something other than belief.

I wish I had more to say on it. I like to offer more.

Do you think if blockages begin in the mind, that is where we go to solve them?

Or does it really matter where they come from? We use the mind to solve them in the body.

I don't think we can do anything consciously without the mind. We can't work on the body without the mind.

So maybe mind is really the only answer.

[flofrog]

Could the body creates blockages due to for example a striking emotion, possibly linked to fear or any other let’s say negative emotion in opposition to love but then, would blockages be cemented by the mind and then, as Jeremy said, it would be chiefly the mind ?

I have a small added question, and am a bit shy to start a thread about it as it is of minor interest, but I am studying session 71.

In it Ra states how negatively oriented entities go through the same healing and reviews in time / space.

I was just curious, how would a negative entity feels after healing and review. I suppose the negative entity is helped to heal and review but I was just wondering how are the ones who help in this process... it’s just if anyone had any thoughts on this. Sorry as this is off subject and not really important ...

[Cainite]

Could the body creates blockages due to for example a striking emotion, possibly linked to fear or any other let’s say negative emotion in opposition to love but then, would blockages be cemented by the mind and then, as Jeremy said, it would be chiefly the mind ?

I have a small added question, and am a bit shy to start a thread about it as it is of minor interest, but I am studying session 71.

In it Ra states how negatively oriented entities go through the same healing and reviews in time / space.

I was just curious, how would a negative entity feels after healing and review. I suppose the negative entity is helped to heal and review but I was just wondering how are the ones who help in this process... it’s just if anyone had any thoughts on this.  Sorry as this is off subject and not really important ...

I guess his/her highersef hellps him/her. I imagine after the review and healing they're less angry and see their role in everything. the fact that darkness and light work hand in hand and all that.

[Sacred Fool]

Those of Ra say the mind is the creature of the body, and I think in this case that's doubly true.

I think you meant it the other way around.

92.19  Ra: I am Ra. Firstly, although the functions of the mind are indeed paramount over those of the body, the body being the creature of the mind...


66.34  Ra: I am Ra. We will review previous material.

Catalyst is offered to the entity. If it is not used by the mind complex it will then filter through to the body complex and manifest as some form of physical distortion. The more efficient the use of catalyst, the less physical distortion to be found.

There are, in the case of those you call Wanderers, not only a congenital difficulty in dealing with the third-density vibratory patterns but also a recollection, however dim, that these distortions are not necessary or usual in the home vibration.

We over-generalize as always, for there are many cases of pre-incarnative decisions which result in physical or mental limitations and distortions, but we feel that you are addressing the question of widespread distortions towards misery of one form or another. Indeed, on some third-density planetary spheres catalyst has been used more efficiently. In the case of your planetary sphere there is much inefficient use of catalyst and, therefore, much physical distortion.

We have enough energy available for one query at this time.

[rva_jeremy]

Those of Ra say the mind is the creature of the body, and I think in this case that's doubly true.

I think you meant it the other way around.

I definitely meant the other way around! Good catch, thanks!

[rva_jeremy]

I was just curious, how would a negative entity feels after healing and review. I suppose the negative entity is helped to heal and review but I was just wondering how are the ones who help in this process... it’s just if anyone had any thoughts on this.  Sorry as this is off subject and not really important ...

This is a great question, thanks for posing it, flofrog. I find it to be a bit of a stumper. In 71.7-8, those of Ra say that the process of review and healing is similar between positively and negatively polarized entities. But what does it mean to heal from the impact of catalysis in incarnation when using it not as a tool to balance the self but instead as a tool to potentiate imbalanced anger and hate? What seems like progress to the negative path strikes me as just damage to the positive path!

I have some thoughts but would love to hear y'all's.

[rva_jeremy]

OK, I guess I'll just go ahead and share my thoughts. Wait, is that somebody speaking? Do you have something to say ma'am? No? Ok.

Flofrog, I think you bring up an excellent point about negative healing and review, with an emphasis on healing. It has stumped me as well. The reason is that Confederation sources seem to attribute to healing the quality of love, and this would seem to be absent on the service to self path. This is another opportunity to remind ourselves that truly we do not understand what love is. Over and over Confederation sources remind us that love is a much more powerful, much more broad and encompassing, much more multifaceted force than the cultural concept whose term we typically employ. It is so broad that it is reflected in the negative path, which those of Ra remind us is a path of love of self. If that which we perceive as so devoid of love actually is an intense form of love, well, we have some balancing to do in our approach to these matters, do we not?

I typically land on two conclusions. First, there's something about the nature of time/space that allows for a review of the totality of oneself to occur for both polarities. It's worth reminding ourselves that since review is useful prior to a choice of polarity, it would be natural for this review to continue as an extension of choosing. Second, what is the nature of injury, sickness, etc.? It is to teach at its root, is it not? Then would healing always involve making one whole in the kind of positive, loving way we understand, or is it more about learning the lesson of the experience, whatever direction towards which that lesson is designed to push us?

It may be that we are so service to others facing that we have a very personalized concept of healing, of what healing typically entails beyond the more technical definition I mentioned before. In short, do we conflate healing with unity and love simply because for us on our path that's what healing usually entails? After all, those of Ra do mention that negative folks program for great health, and any lack of health is designed to hone and focus anger. Perhaps this is accomplished in the time/space review.

Great question, flofrog! What do you think about all this?

[rva_jeremy]

bump!

[flofrog]

Hi Jeremy...

Thanks for bumping I was so busy these last few days that I didn't visit Bring 4th at all and hadn't seen your posts..

So I have been still thinking about this and this is how I am starting to feel my way through it, and it might be totally wrong..lol
Placing myself in Creator's shoes with his love for All, then negative oriented entity, at her own rhythm of course wishes to keep advancing, so... healing would come for the hurt she encounters thinking positive side is so much in the wrong, so here I am finding a way to understand she gets healing but not changing orientation still. Then the entity advances and advances till in mid sixth density she has to decide to either opt for switching orientation or come back to negative and stay there until desires to switch.

So these were my humble treading, not that there are right but at least I could make some sense of 'what' healing might be taking place....

any thoughts ?

just adding something here because as USUAL I had read too fast your post Jeremy... Yes ! Healing would be understanding the experience and making the most of it, and if negatively oriented, comforting one's thoughts of how to continue in the right negative way for stronger service to self [ AND that is what Ra calls the difficult way because the feeling of loneliness in the endeavor must really appear I think in the reviewing, or so I presume !!! lol ]

[rva_jeremy]

I think the thing that really boggles my mind is contemplating a higher self collaborating in any way with the negative path. We have some indication that incarnate negative entities ignore their higher selves, at least in third density. Perhaps this happens in the time/space review, but I somehow doubt it. I think any higher self would have to see aiding their negative lower self as a productive endeavor. I don't think I'm reaching too terribly much there.

To me, this begins to get into the same kind of area as that entertained by the question as to what a negative sixth density entity's nature really is before they suddenly shift polarity. I have a sneaky suspicion that negativity isn't lost so much as contextualized in unity in the same way that positivity is. After all, even the positive polarity does seem to require some negativity if for no other reason to provide catalyst, to have something to "push off against", and frankly to be able to survive the illusion without utterly martyring the self.

[flofrog]

It boggles mine too. Does the higher self just protects the negative entity he is temporarily acting under ? All the mystery Ra speaks about so well. “ the polarities are harmonized, the complexities are simplified, and the paradoxes have their solutions.” How annoying is that for some quick moments,