Crowdfunding to escape poverty.

[Cyan]

I was just glancing at the "help for rent and food" thread on the forum and it got me thinking.

I've never actually ran a crowdfunding event for personal gain, such as purchasing an apartment. It occured to me there is no way to donate to me for most people and this may not be entirely healthy.

What do people think would happen if I run a crowdsourced financing call, I'm thinking of it becuase while I'm on social welfare it is illegal to save and have stocks so its nearly worthless for me to go through the effort as it would only result on soc sec officials reducing the monthly wage so there is very little that I could benefit from the work. Now that I'm applying for disability pension instead of social welfare, I'll be able to save and buy stocks, so.

So, now that I should be soon legally able to save and own property, what do you all think would happen and would it be worth it to apply for "I'm buying stocks with the money, can people help me so I get a retirement nest egg going?"

That being said, I'm thinking of simply living in the homeless shelter and eating at the free food kitchens through the town and use my pension for stocks on the off chance I hit something good, If I got much, I would even get an appartment. It wouldn't be a bad option.

So, thoughts?

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In short, inspired by the other posters thinking of the same thing, thinking of crowdfunding for pension and asking for debate on what would happen.

[Sprout]

Sounds like an idea. I'm sure some will find it in their heart to help a homeless member.

Will there be a difference in wage if you apply for disability pension though?

[MangusKhan]

It is my experience that homeless shelters are not nice places. A good place to go and test your sense of compassion. Can you feel sympathy for people who willingly destroy themselves and inflict suffering on others? Can you retain your inner peace while drug addicts are screaming at eachother over who gets the spot on the floor next to the window? I left the shelter and found an abandoned building which is much more peaceful. Sometimes if I can't sleep I'll go back just to get a free cup of tea.

The only positive about the shelter is that there are guards to keep people safe. To have a "night visitor" can be an unsettling experience.

[JJCarsonian]

How did you guys find LOO? i would have thought folks on this board are spiritually balanced people, but im realizing that everyone has issues that they are working through - myself included

[MangusKhan]

How did you guys find LOO? I would have thought folks on this board are spiritually balanced people, but I'm realizing that everyone has issues that they are working through - myself included

I found LOO when I was 15. I had for two years already at that point basically abandoned the human world in order to seek esoteric knowledge. I traded the years of my life which should otherwise have been devoted to socialising and working through the lower triad to withdrawing and activating the higher centers. For certain, this leaves one in a state of imbalance.

I have no regrets though, and I should note that I was born into wealth. I don't have to dumpster dive or go to kitchens. None of the people I meet suspect that I'm homeless until I tell them.

[Cyan]

Sounds like an idea. I'm sure some will find it in their heart to help a homeless member.

Will there be a difference in wage if you apply for disability pension though?

Yes, we talked about this in chat and I'll summarize, the big difference is that I can legally own property while on disability pension, something I cant while on social security a they are obligating you to sell off everything you own before you're allowed to gain social security, there is a mild increase in secondary expenses that you can have while on pension instead of welfare, that is because the housing benefit is less on pension while the normal pension itself is higher than social security, you also get housing benefit while on social security so the nominal number is the same if you've not had a work history or have one thats not all that grand.

That being said, if I get on pension and spend 300 a month on long term savings I'll be able to lift myself up in a few years at most. Since while on social seurity its meaningless to do near anything as I've explained and on pension its possible, it should be meaningful to add that crowdfunding to my outlets so, the reaction here points to a good outcome if I do.

That being said, you do need earbuds to sleep in the shelter ;D

[JJCarsonian]

How did you guys find LOO? I would have thought folks on this board are spiritually balanced people, but I'm realizing that everyone has issues that they are working through - myself included

I found LOO when I was 15. I had for two years already at that point basically abandoned the human world in order to seek esoteric knowledge. I traded the years of my life which should otherwise have been devoted to socialising and working through the lower triad to withdrawing and activating the higher centers. For certain, this leaves one in a state of imbalance.

I have no regrets though, and I should note that I was born into wealth. I don't have to dumpster dive or go to kitchens. None of the people I meet suspect that I'm homeless until I tell them.

Do you choose to be homeless, or can you rely on your previous wealth? I make alot of money at my job, but i feel like im searching for something else. i wish i could be doing something that aids in helping others, instead of helping corporations.

[Jade]

How did you guys find LOO? i would have thought folks on this board are spiritually balanced people, but im realizing that everyone has issues that they are working through - myself included

This is an interesting misconception. The truth is, people who are attracted the the Law of One are most likely Wanderers, who have planned their incarnations very thoroughly so that they might learn very specific lessons to balance their totality.

For what it's worth, I think posts like Cyan's do show spiritual balance - an ability to ground oneself and look objectively at their problems, and accepting them in the moment, instead of facing a difficult challenge and losing their head.

Another big misconception is that monetary wealth = spiritual balance. Spiritual balance really is the ability to look at any situation or person and feel love and gratitude for them. You can do this if all you have to eat is crumbs.

[AnthroHeart]

Spiritual balance really is the ability to look at any situation or person and feel love and gratitude for them.

Thanks. Definitely something I need to work on.

[Billz]

OK, I'm gonna get flamed for this reply but I read the OP earlier and I can't get this out of my head. I feel compelled to respond.

Crowd funding? Really? Sounds like you're a leach on society sucking the life out of someone else's hard work while begging for something that you couldn't be bother to work for yourself.

So, the concept of financial security is in such opposition to the eternity that we each understand is waiting for us as well "level-up" that I can't understand why you'd even bother playing the markets. Don't get me wrong; I do have my retirement, meager as it is, but I know what my future looks like and it isn't tied to my 401(k) or some other investment portfolio/IRA.

The fact that you even come here to ask if it's ok if you beg from others is disgusting and distasteful to me. Then, you have the gall to ask for free food and free housing while you're investing someone else's money for your personal benefit. REALLY???

When I read your post I thought you'd be investing for the benefit of others because you might be funding some kind of relief program and that'd be marginally acceptable. But you have the brass to boldly stand up and say you're investing in the false reality of the stock market of this false world for personal gain. I am shocked. Not too shocked for words, obviously, but stunned so much that I had to come back here after signing off to call you on your selfish arrogance.

[Surfboard]

I also have a few thoughts aligning somewhat with the post above, but when I look for love in those thoughts, I find it's missing. I feel it's best to keep my blockages to myself, which weirdly enough is a double edged sword for me. If I refrain from speaking it creates a certain thought pattern where I will get to a blockage and refrain from healing because I perceive my thoughts to open others wounds. I can consciously understand that I would be helping them better understand themselves, but in the moment the feeling of inflicting pain is unbearable so I hide myself.

[Sprout]

Most of us here, at times, come and ask for spiritual guidance or help with our 'personal' evolution. How is that any different than asking for money to get out of the streets?

In my personal opinion, none of us actually owns anything, nothing could be established without an other-selves sacrifice so we could have an easy going life.

[MangusKhan]

Do you choose to be homeless, or can you rely on your previous wealth?

Yes. It was a decision I had been thinking about for a long time. The modern conventions are a drag, I thought. It is nice to not have to worry about anything except a backpack. I'll go back to normal life soon though and resume university.

I make alot of money at my job, but i feel like im searching for something else. i wish i could be doing something that aids in helping others, instead of helping corporations.

Well, money opens a lot of doors. You could do anything, from sponsoring a remote Chinese village to starting up your own community-friendly business.

[Cyan]

listening to some of the comments here and what I can reply with is limited, I'll try.

1. I'll probably own in public and if someone wants to try the same stocks they can.

2. If I do get enough I'll show up as a public benefit entity and give back to the community, even appear at homecoming.

3. The way I see it the more angry a person is the more likely they are a costumer for your energy in some way, It seems to work but I've not got my hand to work in it, so I'm still going with STO path trying to keep myself away from angry interactions if possible, this limits working options a little but miniscule compared to the other things limiting.

4. I've been living on social security for near a decade, the problem with it is that if I save 50€ at the start of the next month I'll be deducted by 50€. Meaning that its literally legal to drink the rest and not legal to buy lottery tickets for next month. I don't know what to say about that other than it makes me very sad.

5. Asking for the right to crowdfund a retirement plan here is minor compared to being offered a place to live by members, its a gap in between that causes fear, I can't literally cope with that level of unused resource. I have trouble dealing with being told that were I to show up on some members houses I'd be given the couch and if I'd live there for months I maybe moved to the local unemployment office, the love given is so much that when I talk to people about that and then think to myself that I could actually just use this as a opportunity to start retirement egg so that people could actually balance if they need to and pay if they wish to, it feels, proper. It feels like after such a long time it would be appropriate to offer people the chance to buy themselves free if such a metaphor is acceptable.

So in short, I'd pay 50$into the stock account myself and open a conduit for easy donations from the community and then contnue to pay 50-300 a month of the 500-700 a month I'd get and continue to live at the homeless shelters and low level housing instead of spending that for a better bed, can't now as it would be illegal, could get drunk with same money and it would be legal. So were I to jump on that bandwagon I'd finally have a legal way to be paid that would be for something besides beer, I think it would be an opportune time to tell the community.

in short, for the first time in almost a decade it would be legal to pay me. I feel it maybe worth making the hazzle of a donation page. Perhaps even get another member to handle the day to day affairs of the system and then just wire me the final result if I dont have the energy to do it myself.

[Agua]

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[Cyan]

Now that I've had some time to think about my life situation and have settled into the homeless shelter, I must admit I would really appreciate the help to get off the debt, so the original purpose of this thread still survives.

So I would need someoen to set up the whole chain and to forward it to my bank account once done. So if I ask for volunteers to start a crowdfund page to help me get out of debt, the rest I can probably handle on my own would there be any volunteers, its not much work but it is work.

[Cyan]

IF you feel like contributing plese PM me and I'll send you the mailing address, I can only accept letters with money instead of bank transfers. Please be sure to cover money in the letter well and that there are risks of it not getting through, that is the only way to currently contribute, thank you.

[AnthroHeart]

Actually, Google Pay would be better than bitcoin if you don't use PayPal.
I don't believe you need a bank account for that. But I'm not sure how it all works.

I know you prefer cash only, but this may be another way. I'm finding bitcoin to be too complex anyway.
I recommended that earlier before I found there were paypal alternatives.

[thefool]

You are already doing that with your presence. Don't underestimate the power of someone with the presence of LOO. It is all inside anyway. It doesn't have to be externalized. We all have different paths and some are good at being socially extroverted and physically helping and some others could help by anchoring the light. I find it is a big confusion in people that they have to go out and feed poor or send money in order to better the world or be STO. I am not saying that about you at all. Simply making a general comment as I take this opportunity to express my thoughts on a topic that I believe needs some discussion.

[thefool]

Do you choose to be homeless, or can you rely on your previous wealth?  I make alot of money at my job, but i feel like im searching for something else.  i wish i could be doing something that aids in helping others, instead of helping corporations.

You are already doing that with your presence. Don't underestimate the power of someone with the presence of LOO. It is all inside anyway. It doesn't have to be externalized. We all have different paths and some are good at being socially extroverted and physically helping and some others could help by anchoring the light. I find it is a big confusion in people that they have to go out and feed poor or send money in order to better the world or be STO. I am not saying that about you at all. Simply making a general comment as I take this opportunity to express my thoughts on a topic that I believe needs some discussion.