06-07-2017, 01:19 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-07-2017, 01:32 PM by Agua del Cielo.)
(06-07-2017, 10:38 AM)Stranger Wrote: Agua, it's exciting to find someone else using similar methods. For people who haven't experienced it first-hand, it's hard to understand the immense transformative power of healing old distortions. I've cleared out stuff that, for countless lifetimes, has held me back and made life more unpleasant. It's amazing to clear out something and know that even after this life ends, I'll be more free and joyful. It's very satisfying to help other people discover their inner world; help them understand why they react to certain situations the way they do; and help them heal and find more peace and freedom from inner emotional tyranny. Broken bones are important but less so, in the grand scheme of things, in the same way that the physical body is less important long-term than one's polarity or inner harmony, for instance.
I think the question you and Aion have been discussing is a very important one. What is the relationship between old emotions and current choices? As far as I've been able to discern, old emotions are triggered by current stimuli and then predispose us toward old patterns of reacting, the way emotions do - e.g., if a situation triggers an old fear, one experiences more intense fear than he/she would otherwise; this makes it more likely that he/she will react by attempting to avoid/escape whatever the current situation is.
When the old fear is healed using the process we've both been using, then there still seems to be a force of habit that continues to predispose avoidance/escape, even when the fear is no longer present. Does that tendency dissipate on its own, in your experience?
There's another scenario I've been trying to figure out. When someone is experiencing acute distress, or continues believing in (i.e., accepting as valid) the distorted perspective of old emotions, they seem to be actually adding to their store of distress rather than healing it. The intensity of the emotion makes it harder for them to find the calm perspective from which healing of the emotion can be achieved. I'd be very interested to hear what your approach has been to these types of scenarios.
Pretty hard to pack this in a readable post, without omitting things. so please bear in mind, im only concentrating on certain aspects!
First, a general thing, why i believe it is a crucial ressource to be able to deal with emotions:
When old emotions are being triggered, it usually remders us umconscious, because its simply too much unpleasant stuff. We then act automatically by our old pre-programmed patterns.
There is no one "present" anymore,that could make a decision.
We all know that i think.
so,developing practice in dealing with that gradually imcreases our presence in difficult sitiations intil we can stay completely aware and conscious.
THEN we can make decisions.
The second thing i meant is, the deeper we get (and we get deeper continously on that path), the more intense the energies involved and the harder to stay present.
When we reach the "bottom" eventually, the energies become strong beyond imagination. If you ever comsciously entered a trauma state completely, you know what i mean.
The "practice" of staying present with strong energies not only strengthens our ability to be present significantly, but also prepares our energy system and our body to hold imcreasingly stronger energies.
How deep one wants to go is everybody's decision, im talking extremes here, where you clear all blockages completely...surely not what everybody wants.
I agree with Aion, there are many ways to "access" the self, and surely its not only through ones pain.
I would say, long before you reach the bottom, you have connected with the core of your being at least once in a while, and that core is heal, unwounded and complete.
However, whatever you experienced in your journey is an energy that resides in you until it has been released. tjat would mean, sure, you dont have to heal every little thing in you to lead a beautyful life, but there will always be "something". and you never know what the difference would be.
I would also like to mention "co-ex system", systems of condensed experience, a term by stanislav grof i think.
This way of viewing it indicates, that similar experiences build upon eachother.
When you heal, you go backwards.
An example:
You have been verbally molested in a sexual manner last week, you heal this.
then you realize, you have been physically molested in your youth, you heal this.
then at some point you find, theres something deeper, you for example have been raped as a child.
always the same energy, the same issue, bit imcreasingly more challenging.
I would even say, most of the difficulties we experience are just repetitions of experiences we had in our first three years.
At least i didnt find exceptions neither in my own healing, nor in working with other people.
As for the tendency to still avoid after healing, hmm, that cannot be generalized.
But usually, when there is still avoidance, this would indicate fear that has not yet been healed.
There are many fears that we dont even realize we have, because they are buried too deep.
It might be possible to make conclusions from observing ones life, meaning, if there are effects in my life that look like the result of fear, chances are, there is a fear that i cannot yet feel.
Sorry for the poor explanation, i hope its still umderstandable.
The emotional addictions i meantioned mostly are certain emotional states, that we have become so used to, that we build an identity around it, not mentally but emotionally. We simply would not feel like ourselves anymore, if a life long unpleasant feeling would begone.
As for the "making things worse" part, yes, i agree totally. Any time you become unconscious in sich a situation you dont heal but add even more to the original charge of energy.
A final word to the practice and energy part:
that doesnt only apply to "negative" emotions!
We also are afraid of positive emotions when they exceed the strength we are used to, its also helpful inthat area.
And ultimately, the ones that experienced enlightened states or intelligent infinity probably observed this:
There is a very very strong energy involved, very oftenthese "states" arebeing experienced while notreally in the body, on a physical level.
It needs also a lot of preparation to be able to "embody" this, to experience this while consciously IN the physical body.
Oh, and a even more final note:
i think the important part is to reach a point, where you dont fear facing a given emotion anymore.
Then it doesnt control you anymore.
If it arises, so what, it will subside again. you donthave to run away, deny, controlorwhateveranymore.
This usually happens quite some time nefore an issue is healed completely.
Butthen it even doesnt matterthat much anymore if you heal it or not, since you re already freed from its grip!
edit:
sorry, i forgot the "choices" part
I believe its crucial to make choices, no change will occur to make choices.
Probably everybody agress here.
However, we can only make choices in a conscious state. But that should be practiced and strengthened!
When we are unconscious, there is nobody "home" that would have choice, an automatic program will act out then, as mentioned above.
And, we have to be in a position of authority to make a choice!
By that i mean, there have been decisions made by your "system" to protect you. All patterns that tesult from trauma fall in that category.
The choice we can make then only can go as deep as the healing process has progressed.
Only when you have accessed this state or situation in question can you make a choice. Otherwise your system will not "respect" your authority and keep on with its own program!