Lucifer was the creator of STO/STS paradigm?

[Glow]

I see it pretty clearly that lucifer(the energy) is the bringer of light because without the veil(de vil) we only know what is good but we don't have the opportunity to deepen it through experiences.

If all you ever see and experience is peace and love it may let you think you are fully flawless and of love but it hasn't been deepened through testing.

When all you feel is pain, and you forget yours and otherselvrs divinity do you stumble out of love?
If you do then do you get up and try over and over until you love in all circumstances? Do no harm?
Over and over the darkness deepens our light because now love is no longer an untested truth it is the real you that you have fought hard agains all pain to claim as your essence.

I don't even think there really is darkness, it's a play done out of love at the highest levels. We need all these veils so one by one when we mess up and fail we can give each other the experience of being tested. Without the veil we are all one so there would be an inability to deepen our capacity to love through all darkness and suffering.

I claim that I have been very dark, I know this because now my inability to not love is so extreme that I must have been tested harshly and repeatedly. to get here I must have in a thousand lives fallen very far, hurt people and been hurt. The ONE can only build in light by exposing itself to greater and greater darkness(veil needed) the range of one expands the range of the other.

It's so truly beautiful

[Glow]

I will add one of my primary soul group members was told he is of lucifer.
Being a Christian he was horrified. I laughed at the beauty of what that made me see.

I've been told by other empaths that our energy is almost exact match. One well known one who met us both separately online picked us out and said it was as if we are the same person(parallel incarnation was implied) so that would make me of lucifer lol

I know the Christ consciousness, so does my soul group member it's a part of us but being of lucifer would mean I did my part as we all have. We are one.

Lucifer may have done more service than any"one" as it's against our nature(non veiled) to cause suffering. To create the veil that would allow us to be tested, to suffer, but ultimately to grow in love and light. I feel that would have been very hard to do and taken much love to allow that because it was done preveil knowing we would have to struggle through increasing darkness to grow towards new levels of light

[Minyatur]

I do testify that you've been dark, how would we think so similary otherwise?

I'd say a characteristic of my life is near-inherent acceptance of both myself and others. I probably made a whole lot of people angry when they'd come to me to talk about someone they did not accept just to have me internalize the other person and attempt at understanding their view and feelings. I always kind of thought everyone can be understood in their ways and rarely felt much rejection of anyone.

Not really related but I had not shared at the right time. When you shared your movie sync with the name Daemon after receiving it in meditation for your bf's soul name, I was told a few days before by someone that they saw the word Daemonicus in a dream and knew it was symbolic of my beingness outside the Earth.

So I greet thee sister of a similar path!

[Glow]

I do testify that you've been dark, how would we think so similary otherwise?

I'd say a characteristic of my life is near-inherent acceptance of both myself and others. I probably made a whole lot of people angry when they'd come to me to talk about someone they did not accept just to have me internalize the other person and attempt at understanding their view and feelings. I always kind of thought everyone can be understood in their ways and rarely felt much rejection of anyone.

Not really related but I had not shared at the right time. When you shared your movie sync with the name Daemon after receiving it in meditation for your bf's soul name, I was told a few days before by someone that they saw the word Daemonicus in a dream and knew it was symbolic of my beingness outside the Earth.

So I greet thee sister of a similar path!

I knew I wasn't imagining the similar understanding we often share.  :idea:
Your presence on the forum is actually often comfortingly familiar to me.

I do something similarly irritating to others as you describe. When someone has been hurt and they come show me their wounds I totally witness and feel their pain, tell them I'm sorry they were hurt, my reflex is always protective but then I can't help but point out where the person who hurt them is wounded and how it drives their behaviour. For some reason these people still come to me though I know it must seem disloyal. Similar to you comment of understanding I see there is no one you couldn't love if you knew/understood their storey.

The Daemonicus thing is kind of awesome, thank you for sharing that connection.
To add to the sync I think I may have actually waited a few days before posting about that(maybe not but I remember having to think and get my head around it) so it could have happened the same day as yours.

[Henosis]

I think Lucifer can be seen in a positive or negative light.

To me Lucifer could represent the initial separation from unity. The first contraction of the infinite. The choice of the infinite to limit itself. Free will being potentiated, creating duality and the appearance of separation from unity.

In the sense Ra uses the term, I believe he is referring to the extension of free will to mind/body/spirit complexes causing the STO/STS paradigm. This created the appearance of separation which was necessary to limit the constant joyful awareness of unity.

If Lucifer concealed knowledge and happiness so you could have the richest experience of yourself, is he a good entity or a bad one?

Another way of viewing the "introduction" of Lucifer would be the Significator becoming complex. Perhaps in another way, your higher self can be viewed as Lucifer, as your higher self is somewhat of a precipitate or microcosm of he mind/body/spirit totality. But then even the Logos can be viewed as Lucifer, as it was truly the first extension of free will.

[anagogy]

Karma can be fooled like that?!? Isn't the whole karmic law based on one's intent? So the Logos/universe/karmic intelligence would clearly see the negative acts for what they are (instead of, 'oh, well I guess that entity didn't really do much he just allowed another otherself to choose to be enslaved for himself.')

Also, in order to get into a position in which one might begin to seriously polarize negatively, one has to commit heinous acts against other-selves. I can't really imagine getting to the higher levels of third density negative polarization without seriously damaging other entities psychologically or physically. (Although I may simply be naive in the methods used to attain negative polarization.)

But so that means that even if the extremely negative entity has mastered the art of skirting karmic law, it still has the myriad cosmic crimes against other selves to deal with, and few good acts or forgiveness to redeem such acts. So even with this idea of skirting karma, the highly adept negative entity still has a ton of karma accumulated along the way to where it is now.

What happens to that karma that is never paid off?

Well, to my understanding karma can't be 'fooled' anymore than say gravity can be fooled. And nothing is being bypassed or transferred really. Karma is just self imbalance attracting those experiences which will rebalance self. It is like room temperature. If an ice cube is put into a room that is warm, the ice cube will absorb the energy until it is the same temperature as the rest of the room. If a burning coal is put in a cold room, the energy will radiate away from it until it is the same temperature of the room. It is not a moral force. And neither is karma, really. And what is morality anyway? Where do you get your sense of 'fair', 'right', or 'good'? Really think about it. When you really analyze it, it is just a natural extension of your awareness of the unity of all consciousness. Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you, because that other self is you. What you do to them, you do to yourself. People don't like to frame it in these terms, because it makes it sound almost selfish, but empathy emanates from your awareness of what it is like for another being to suffer.

And if you are extremely negative, you are just like that cold ice cube, and you will absorb positivity until you are room temperature (become one). The negatively polarized has just made a conscious choice to stay 'cold' for as long as they can (same for the hot coal). They like it for some strange reason. But they can't stay cold forever, and the positive can't stay hot forever. Eventually they both become room temperature, so to speak, which, in this metaphor, is oneness. Even the excessive hotness constitutes a form of separation, because it is imbalanced towards the positive pole. One side is imbalanced towards love, and other side is imbalanced toward wisdom. Unity is found somewhere in the middle of those extremes. Love/light and light/love. And of course, that is why polarity goes away in the unity cycle (6th density). One could argue that 'room temperature' is also always some measure of heat, no matter how small, so one could make the case that the positive path is somewhat more efficient because of that.

The person who performs the negative act is the one who solicits those experiences from the universe that will 'warm them back up' so to speak. Often, though not always, this involves experiencing the same thing they did to that other self because this is often the experience that restores them to some semblance of balance. So if I tell you to shoot someone in the head, and you do it, you are the one who performed the act, so you are the one who solicits the karmic balancing for that action. The person who told you to do it solicits some karma from the universe, also, but it is not as strong as the individual who performed the act. So they might experience a similar 'influencer' in their experience. You manipulate others, others try to manipulate you. And this is a natural part of the STS cycle.

Also, a negatively polarized being doesn't have to kill/torture people to become harvestable negative. They simply have to become noncontradictedly focused on controlling, in exquisite propriety, all others selves in their vicinity. It has to approach purity of purpose, just as positive harvestability requires (a straight and narrow path). They are seeking oneness of a sort too, and as long as all others fall under their sway, they are approaching a higher threshold of unity (which naturally raises consciousness). However, in all likelihood, you are correct in the sense that this will cause much suffering in others selves, simply due to the fact that all members of this type of societal complex must conform to this beings desires, or they will be punished in some way (to maintain control). People aren't likely to just give up their own inclinations so easily, so normally such a case of polarization will include some brutal conquering of others selves in some form or another. But if everyone simply acquiesced, there could be relatively little violence in a STS complex. It is a highly unlikely scenario, but it is technically possible. It could be peaceful, but there still would be little to no freedom for the beings lower on the hierarchical totem pole.

The STS being absorbs from others, and the universe absorbs from them (this is karma), but when one's absorption becomes 'pure' (harvestable grade negativity which equals contact with intelligent infinity), they are constantly replenishing anything the universe 'takes back'. This is a 'balance' of a sort. The positive being is radiating to others, and the universe radiates to them in equal measure. And when their radiation becomes pure, they given a similar never-ending stream of metaphorical 'warming energy' from the universe to replenish the energy they are sending out (this also equals a 'balance' of a sort). In sixth density, the will is relinquished, and beings become one with each other.

[sjel]

The STS being absorbs from others, and the universe absorbs from them (this is karma), but when one's absorption becomes 'pure' (harvestable grade negativity which equals contact with intelligent infinity), they are constantly replenishing anything the universe 'takes back'. This is a 'balance' of a sort. The positive being is radiating to others, and the universe radiates to them in equal measure. And when their radiation becomes pure, they given a similar never-ending stream of metaphorical 'warming energy' from the universe to replenish the energy they are sending out (this also equals a 'balance' of a sort). In sixth density, the will is relinquished, and beings become one with each other.

How is the negative entity replenishing its energy? What source does it replenish from? Does it simply have a steady supply of other selves to replenish its energy stores? Does this make it impossible for an entity to polarize negatively in solitude, unlike positive entities such as hermits and yogis who might spend their lifetime in meditative seclusion radiating love to the universe?

[anagogy]

How is the negative entity replenishing its energy? What source does it replenish from? Does it simply have a steady supply of other selves to replenish its energy stores? Does this make it impossible for an entity to polarize negatively in solitude, unlike positive entities such as hermits and yogis who might spend their lifetime in meditative seclusion radiating love to the universe?

It needs a neverending supply of otherselves to replenish what the universe will take back. It is like an army that keeps losing members and needs to replenish its reserves to build the complex back up to full strength. So it needs constant recruitment so to speak. The actual specific manifestation that the taking back would constitute is up for anyone's speculation, but essentially the concept is this: the sts entity makes its own luck, which is generated by taking from others, the sto entity gets blessings from the universe for their self less acts.

I don't believe you could reach a harvestable degree of positivity in seclusion. Once you reached a certain threshold of positivity you would be attracted towards otherselves (eventually the energy would become such that the monk would be compelled to leave the cave). But I suppose otherselves could be relating to flora and fauna in some way. But it would probably be a slow building of polarity.

[loostudent]

The word Lucifer (from latin Bible) originally denotes planet Venus - it's brilliance. In Bible it is applied for leading ruler of that time (the king of Babilon) but also for Jesus Christ as spiritual light.

The Syriac version and the version of Aquila derive the Hebrew noun helel from the verb yalal, "to lament"; St. Jerome agrees with them (In Isaiah 1.14), and makes Lucifer the name of the principal fallen angel who must lament the loss of his original glory bright as the morning star. In Christian tradition this meaning of Lucifer has prevailed; the Fathers maintain that Lucifer is not the proper name of the devil, but denotes only the state from which he has fallen (Petavius, De Angelis, III, iii, 4) (Catholic Encyclopedia)

My interpretation of Bible and Ra Material put together:

1. Creators = Logos and sub-Logoi ("Elohim" is translated as Creator/God but in original it is plural)
2. Eden = creations of early sub-Logoi (state of innocence before the veil)
3. Adam and Eve = 3rd density incarnated entities
4. Satan = head of the negative inner plane entites

[loostudent]

But they can't stay cold forever, and the positive can't stay hot forever. Eventually they both become room temperature, so to speak, which, in this metaphor, is oneness. Even the excessive hotness constitutes a form of separation, because it is imbalanced towards the positive pole. One side is imbalanced towards love, and other side is imbalanced toward wisdom. Unity is found somewhere in the middle of those extremes.

Anagogy, I thought about your analogy .  I don't think room temperature is oneness. I think unity is something beyond polarization and dualistic concepts - not something in the middle. Room temparature could be unpolarized state before polarization or stagnation in that state. As it is written in the Bible:

I know everything you have done, and you are not cold or hot. I wish you were either one or the other. But since you are lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will spit you out of my mouth. (Rev 3,15-16)

[anagogy]

Anagogy, I thought about your analogy .  I don't think room temperature is oneness. I think unity is something beyond polarization and dualistic concepts - not something in the middle. Room temparature could be unpolarized state before polarization or stagnation in that state. As it is written in the Bible:

But since you are lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will spit you out of my mouth. (Rev 3,16)

No analogy is perfect.

A more perfect analogy, in my opinion would probably be one that indicated that extreme coldness and extreme hotness reach a point where they are the same 'thing'. Problem is, not many physical analogies for that, and I wanted something that conveyed the ultimate 'automaticness' or 'inevitableness' of oneness. Essentially, given an infinite stretch of time, unity is inevitable because it is the 'relaxed' state of the Logos, whereas what we call 'separation' is the 'willed' state. When the will is relinquished, the resistance to what is is similarly let go of, and all becomes one.

[Henosis]

Perhaps a good analogy is unity being 0 and the polarities expanding into positive and negative infinity, while infinity is nevertheless unpolarized.

I think the similarities between infinity and zero are very profound to consider. It's as if infinity is the final state and zero is the beginning state, but they're actually the same thing.

[anagogy]

Polarity is essentially a product of having a "self".

When there is a circumscribed boundary of consciousness, there is a separation between self, and everything that is not self. When there is no longer oneness between self and other self, there are then 'relationships' between selves (subject/object relationship). And the nature of that relationship is this thing we call 'polarity'. The relationship is either radiant, or absorbent, or neutral. So polarity goes away when the container called 'self' go away.

When we all become one, self and otherself come to mean the same thing. So if self absorbs all into self (infinite negative polarity) polarity goes away. If self radiates into all that is (infinite positive polarity) polarity also goes away, because self and other self have become one. Duality potentiates the electro-spiritual charge in consciousness.

[Henosis]

Polarity is essentially a product of having a "self".

When there is a circumscribed boundary of consciousness, there is a separation between self, and everything that is not self. When there is no longer oneness between self and other self, there are then 'relationships' between selves (subject/object relationship). And the nature of that relationship is this thing we call 'polarity'. The relationship is either radiant, or absorbent, or neutral. So polarity goes away when the container called 'self' go away.

When we all become one, self and otherself come to mean the same thing. So if self absorbs all into self (infinite negative polarity) polarity goes away. If self radiates into all that is (infinite positive polarity) polarity also goes away, because self and other self have become one. Duality potentiates the electro-spiritual charge in consciousness.

Possibly a bit off topic, but I dwell on this concept often and get a bit confused at the mid sixth density stage where the polarities merge. While I do consider the polarities equal in essence, one of the paths I can't help but see as "the path which is not". There is a gradual buildup and harmonious merging of STO entities throughout the densities. For the negative entity, this growth through the densities is not a gradual process toward unity. While in actuality it is, the path itself is seeking maximal separation.

I suppose what I'm saying is that the positive entity is not so much merging its polarity as maintaining it, while the negative entity is switching its polarity to positive. This causes me to view the seventh density in a very positive light. While it is not polarized in the general way we are using the term and there is no self/other distinction, I can't help but view it as ABSOLUTE GOODNESS.

36.15 Questioner: Well, then let’s say that when Himmler, for instance, reaches sixth-density negative at the beginnings of sixth-density negative, at this time would it be [the] case that an entity would realize that his higher self is sixth-density positively oriented and for that reason make the jump from negative to positive orientation?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The sixth-density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of sixth density. Thus, loving the Creator and realizing at some point that the Creator is not only self but other-self as self, this entity consciously chooses an instantaneous energy reorientation so that it may continue its evolution.

36.12 Questioner: Let me take as an example the one you said was called Himmler. We are assuming from this that his higher self was of sixth density and it was stated that Himmler had selected the negative path. Would his higher self then dwell in a sixth-density negative type of situation? Could you expand on this concept?
Ra: I am Ra. There are no [negative] beings which have attained the Oversoul manifestation, which is the honor/duty of the mind/body/spirit complex totality of late sixth density, as you would term it in your time measurements. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after fifth-density graduation wisdom is available but must be matched with an equal amount of love. This love/light is very, very difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path and during the earlier part of the sixth density, society complexes of the negative orientation will choose to release the potential and leap into the sixth-density positive.

[Minyatur]

Possibly a bit off topic, but I dwell on this concept often and get a bit confused at the mid sixth density stage where the polarities merge. While I do consider the polarities equal in essence, one of the paths I can't help but see as "the path which is not". There is a gradual buildup and harmonious merging of STO entities throughout the densities. For the negative entity, this growth through the densities is not a gradual process toward unity. While in actuality it is, the path itself is seeking maximal separation.

I suppose what I'm saying is that the positive entity is not so much merging its polarity as maintaining it, while the negative entity is switching its polarity to positive. This causes me to view the seventh density in a very positive light. While it is not polarized in the general way we are using the term and there is no self/other distinction, I can't help but view it as ABSOLUTE GOODNESS.

There is unity in separation. I could almost venture to say that separation is our most fundamental and unified desire although it feels like it misses portions of what it seeks to convey said like that. Without separation there's literally nothing but beingness in a blank state and unaware of itself, and all separations that shape infinity into what it is are bound in unity. Time is separation, space is separation, other-selves are separation, etc. Literally every dimension of your existence is separation except for the beingness that is at the core of it all and which forms these dimensions of separation of itself so that it may know itself.

The positive entity is merging polarities in the sense that it will require to integrate and distill the opposites of its past positive distortions to step into a density which is not dualized through polarity of self in its evolution. So the biases that allowed it to previously move forward becomes what hinders its advancement because while they were resonant with the positive polarity within lower densities, they may be dissonant with unity itself (dissonant with the Law of One). Steps of light, and the end game is becoming One with all things, which includes all things you could consider as separated. So the 6D positive entity and the 6D negative entity will at some point each do the work of embracing the beingness of the other and its choices as one single beingness that both selves are. If there's anything you don't want to incarnate and embody, then you're not going to dissolve into unity anytime soon other than that your temporary biases are a portion of what unity contains.

In the end absolute unity is total acceptance and embodiment of all things, so I think in each density there are portions of us that resist unity. These resistances are all in a certain hierarchy within both the conscious mind and its deepest unconscious, and these distortions or resistances to unity are what keeps us in our place as we move forward toward the Source by resolving these many resistances we find within ourselves. Advancing forward within densities requires to work with the duality of polarity and catalysts are what reveal our inner paradoxes that bring about conscious choices to be made by our ever growing aware perception of both our reality and ourselves. You are never of yourself, as a spirit, a choice of polarity and will instead see yourself make a most unique choice within each moment nexuses as our choices depend heavily upon the conditions and circumstances through which we grew and have known ourselves. You could see yourself as a pacifist in this moment and believe that's what your spirit is and can only be, yet there may be about near infinite circumstances that can make you most what is not a pacifist. So in this case, the desire to not be what is not a pacifist, may attract across time non-pacific individuals for you to accept yourself through an other-self or may bring about the right circumstances that makes you what is not a pacifist yourself so that you may accept yourself through yourself.

If you want to contemplate the one that is upon the path which is not, then you need to feel that which is. What would you require to be negative? You might not get that exact story, but you'd be on the right track to internalize an aspect of yourself you do not understand without needing to incarnate it firsthand.

[anagogy]

Possibly a bit off topic, but I dwell on this concept often and get a bit confused at the mid sixth density stage where the polarities merge. While I do consider the polarities equal in essence, one of the paths I can't help but see as "the path which is not". There is a gradual buildup and harmonious merging of STO entities throughout the densities. For the negative entity, this growth through the densities is not a gradual process toward unity. While in actuality it is, the path itself is seeking maximal separation.

I suppose what I'm saying is that the positive entity is not so much merging its polarity as maintaining it, while the negative entity is switching its polarity to positive. This causes me to view the seventh density in a very positive light. While it is not polarized in the general way we are using the term and there is no self/other distinction, I can't help but view it as ABSOLUTE GOODNESS.

I also view it as absolute goodness. In the absence of separation, there can only be harmony, though it is an unpolarized harmony.

The negative entity derives their power through oneness, just as the positive polarity does. It extends from the spiritual mass of the negative social memory complex. But the negative entity wants to captain the power of this oneness from the perspective of the ego (this is where the maximal separation/control comes in). And this is why they can't actually achieve maximal power through this method and are forced to switch polarity in sixth density. Because the little self can never achieve enough mass to absorb and control the entire universe. It's just not feasible. They want to rule as gods, but you can't sustain the delicate and subtle vibration of indigo ray with the entropy inherent in that pursuit. There is just too much resistance/disharmony for it to work. It would require moving beyond ego, which the negative being is unwilling to let go of. They want to have their cake and eat it too, and giving up the ego would defeat the entire purpose of pursuing negative polarity in the first place.

So in the end, they are forced to give up the negative path in order to continue their evolution towards the creator.

[Henosis]

All good points Minyatur. My wording was very poor in that post. I suppose I'm saying one polarity thrives on truth while the other thrives on falsehood. One polarity serves others while the other exploits them.

Why do sixth density negative social memory complexes constantly disintegrate, while social memory complexes such as Ra remain intact? Why does Ra mention that negative entities are somewhat forced to switch their polarity?

I'm not saying that negative entities contain any less of the Creator, but I'm saying their path in general does not embrace the truth. I may even consider a 4D positive entity to be more "God like" than the 6D negative. If God/the Logos is Love, and they lack it completely other than for themselves, then they lack everything...however I'm aware this is my own personal bias on this issue.

[Minyatur]

All good points Minyatur. My wording was very poor in that post. I suppose I'm saying one polarity thrives on truth while the other thrives on falsehood. One polarity serves others while the other exploits them.

Why do sixth density negative social memory complexes constantly disintegrate, while social memory complexes such as Ra remain intact?

Because that's just what they desire, while those of Ra also do what they desire. Personally, one endless social memory complex seems boring and I'd rather at least be something that moves to many.

The self is not a sin, it is the desire of each of us.

Why does Ra mention that negative entities are somewhat forced to switch their polarity?

Because the self ends in full healing.

I'm not saying that negative entities contain any less of the Creator, but I'm saying their path in general does not embrace the truth. I may even consider a 4D positive entity to be more "God like" than the 6D negative. If God/the Logos is Love, and they lack it completely other than for themselves, then they lack everything.

In regard to the thriving of truth, I think negative beings seek truth much more than positive beings as truth is power and elevation. I wouldn't think they lack love in comparison to a 4D being as they are an expression of unconditional love and of the God/the Logos in a much greater awareness and connection with It.

Also, I don't think 6D is a density where you have the luxury of perceiving the self as apart from other-selves, so any love they have for themselves is the love they have for others, just as for others for themselves. I'm not sure why you view them as so separated in their awareness of things, they're not veiled 3D beings at that stage and are quite dense and mature in love and light.

To seek to understand them I'd attempt at seeing them as One with their reality and as such to see their relationship with their reality as one with themselves.

You could consider that the STS path is the path of that which is not, because its really just still the STO path in a possible state of itself that is always contained within each ounce of love and light. The entirety of the positive path exists only in its potential for the negative path, the negative path is its mirror. There's never without, there's never two, there's always One.

[Henosis]

All good points Minyatur. My wording was very poor in that post. I suppose I'm saying one polarity thrives on truth while the other thrives on falsehood. One polarity serves others while the other exploits them.

Why do sixth density negative social memory complexes constantly disintegrate, while social memory complexes such as Ra remain intact?

Because that's just what they desire, while those of Ra also do what they desire. Personally, one endless social memory complex seems boring and I'd rather at least be something that moves to many.

The self is not a sin, it is the desire of each of us.

Why does Ra mention that negative entities are somewhat forced to switch their polarity?

Because the self ends in full healing.

I'm not saying that negative entities contain any less of the Creator, but I'm saying their path in general does not embrace the truth. I may even consider a 4D positive entity to be more "God like" than the 6D negative. If God/the Logos is Love, and they lack it completely other than for themselves, then they lack everything.

In regard to the thriving of truth, I think negative beings seek truth much more than positive beings as truth is power and elevation. I wouldn't think they lack love in comparison to a 4D being as they are an expression of unconditional love and of the God/the Logos in a much greater awareness and connection with It.

Also, I don't think 6D is a density where you have the luxury of perceiving the self as apart from other-selves, so any love they have for themselves is the love they have for others, just as for others for themselves. I'm not sure why you view them as so separated in their awareness of things, they're not veiled 3D beings at that stage and are quite dense and mature in love and light.

To seek to understand them I'd attempt at seeing them as One with their reality and as such to see their relationship with their reality as one with themselves.

You could consider that the STS path is the path of that which is not, because its really just still the STO path in a possible state of itself that is always contained within each ounce of love and light. The entirety of the positive path exists only in its potential for the negative path, the negative path is its mirror. There's never without, there's never two, there's always One.

I was only trying to say that the negative path eventually is abandoned and disintegrates because they are not energetically aligned with the truth. I can't really intellectually describe this but I'm not arguing which path is more boring than the other.

While they may disintegrate out of desire, it is also out of necessity.

The negative path is based on building a massive ego, but rather than letting this ego go in 3D, they put this off until 6D.

[Minyatur]

I was only trying to say that the negative path eventually is abandoned and disintegrates because they are not energetically aligned with the truth. I can't really intellectually describe this but I'm not arguing which path is more boring than the other.

While they may disintegrate out of desire, it is also out of necessity.

The negative path is based on building a massive ego, but rather than letting this ego go in 3D, they put this off until 6D.

You speak as if something is lost upon repolarizing, I don't think that is the case and as such what follows negative polarity into positive polarity is but the continuation of the same path. Its just a state or stage change, much like if I left the north of Canada to move into the south of USA, all my experiences and what I have gained living as a Canadian won't be lost because I switched country and by moving from cold into warmth I might hold wamrth in a more significative sight. If you wanna see it as abandonning, then what will not be abandonned at a later point? Positive polarity is required to harvest into 7D, but the nature of 7D can still allow your 7D beingness to become negatively polarized through other-selves and as such you never truly forsake the experience of both polarities and instead relinquish a selful exploration of polarity which is both true for the positive and negative and leaving the Octave is to relinquish everything you have been and all of this Creation (meaning relinquishing both the self and other-selves).

I don't think polarity dictates the size of ego as both polarities are a quality of ego. That which is without ego is what incarnates both polarities selflessly, while the separate incarnation of each is ego driven.  As is said within the Ra material, the Law of One blinks at neither the light nor the darkness, so my point truly is that if you want to see those as separate then that is a perception that holds you apart from unity as unity is not something that views them as separate and instead as unified. I truly, most sincerely, can't say a positive being's ego is any lesser than a negative one of a similar degree of vibration, their expression is of a different nature but the ego isn't any lesser.

You can be the judge of 6D negative entities all you want, point of the matter is that they are much closer to be One with all things than you are. You can't cheat the Octave and its densities, a negative being of 6D is more aligned with both truth and the Logos than a lower density entity is whatever its polarity and as such they are much nearer to the Source and absolute unity in their awareness and experience of themselves.

[Minyatur]

Another angle that might work better.

Let's take this as a positive lesson or truth :

Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.

Then what is to be done with a negative state in a desire to positively distill it? (which in the end is the only way it can be transmuted)

[Henosis]

I was only trying to say that the negative path eventually is abandoned and disintegrates because they are not energetically aligned with the truth. I can't really intellectually describe this but I'm not arguing which path is more boring than the other.

While they may disintegrate out of desire, it is also out of necessity.

The negative path is based on building a massive ego, but rather than letting this ego go in 3D, they put this off until 6D.

You speak as if something is lost upon repolarizing, I don't think that is the case and as such what follows negative polarity into positive polarity is but the continuation of the same path. Its just a state or stage change, much like if I left the north of Canada to move into the south of USA, all my experiences and what I have gained living as a Canadian won't be lost because I switched country and by moving from cold into warmth I might hold wamrth in a more significative sight. If you wanna see it as abandonning, then what will not be abandonned at a later point? Positive polarity is required to harvest into 7D, but the nature of 7D can still allow your 7D beingness to become negatively polarized through other-selves and as such you never truly forsake the experience of both polarities and instead relinquish a selful exploration of polarity which is both true for the positive and negative and leaving the Octave is to relinquish everything you have been and all of this Creation (meaning relinquishing both the self and other-selves).

I don't think polarity dictates the size of ego as both polarities are a quality of ego. That which is without ego is what incarnates both polarities selflessly, while the separate incarnation of each is ego driven.  As is said within the Ra material, the Law of One blinks at neither the light nor the darkness, so my point truly is that if you want to see those as separate then that is a perception that holds you apart from unity as unity is not something that views them as separate and instead as unified. I truly, most sincerely, can't say a positive being's ego is any lesser than a negative one of a similar degree of vibration, their expression is of a different nature but the ego isn't any lesser.

You can be the judge of 6D negative entities all you want, point of the matter is that they are much closer to be One with all things than you are. You can't cheat the Octave and its densities, a negative being of 6D is more aligned with both truth and the Logos than a lower density entity is whatever its polarity and as such they are much nearer to the Source and absolute unity in their awareness and experience of themselves.

I feel your rewording what I'm saying. I don't really agree with a bit of what you wrote, and that's alright.

This is really my only point...

Ra: I am Ra. We would agree. We shall attempt to pluck the gist of your query from the surrounding verbiage.

The fourth and fifth densities are quite independent, the positive polarity functioning with no need of negative and vice-versa. It is to be noted that in attempting to sway third-density mind/body/spirit complexes in choosing polarity there evolves a good bit of interaction between the two polarities. In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity, which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned.

[Minyatur]

I feel your rewording what I'm saying. I don't really agree with a bit of what you wrote, and that's alright.

This is really my only point...

Ra: I am Ra. We would agree. We shall attempt to pluck the gist of your query from the surrounding verbiage.

The fourth and fifth densities are quite independent, the positive polarity functioning with no need of negative and vice-versa. It is to be noted that in attempting to sway third-density mind/body/spirit complexes in choosing polarity there evolves a good bit of interaction between the two polarities. In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity, which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned.

Ok but so what? You think the positive polarity is without lessons or letting go of distortions of self?

80.20 Questioner: Sorry about that. Can you tell me what the twentieth archetype would be?
Ra: I am Ra. That which you call the Sarcophagus in your system may be seen to be the material world, if you will. This material world is transformed by the spirit into that which is infinite and eternal. The infinity of the spirit is an even greater realization than the infinity of consciousness, for consciousness which has been disciplined by will and faith is that consciousness which may contact intelligent infinity directly. There are many things which fall away in the many, many steps of adepthood. We, of Ra, still walk these steps and praise the One Infinite Creator at each transformation.

I'm not saying go and be negative, just that unity is what embodies both and not a side of the coin. To become one with unity, you will embody all of the countless negative beings that ever were and will be, they won't be any more apart of yourself than anything other so you can't see them as apart from truth when they reflect aspects of truth.

You may consider that while they say it is easier for the positive polarity, they're still talking of something they've yet to achieve and also expressed hoping to make it during their current cycle.

I get the idea of the struggle of repolarizing, but there's equivalent struggles on each side as otherwise evolution wouldn't take so long from both sides. In the end, what was foundation of negative polarity will become what is the foundation of positive polarity and the dark can only become light when seen and understood (distilled) as light and will be reinforced so long it is perceived as otherwise.

I'm not saying there's no truth in that quote, I merely hint at a deeper contemplation of negative beings and what they incarnate of the Whole.

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To take my other post above and the question.

If nothing is overcome within the positive polarity, then the only manner in which what is negative can be distilled is by most truthfully embodying these distortions in acceptance of them as a portion of the self.

So the only manner within which a negative entity may repolarize is by exploring sincerely its negative state. This is why both paths are truly one path, the dark becomes light in acceptance of being what it is and not in seeking to be otherwise.

[Infinite Unity]

I feel your rewording what I'm saying. I don't really agree with a bit of what you wrote, and that's alright.

This is really my only point...

Ra: I am Ra. We would agree. We shall attempt to pluck the gist of your query from the surrounding verbiage.

The fourth and fifth densities are quite independent, the positive polarity functioning with no need of negative and vice-versa. It is to be noted that in attempting to sway third-density mind/body/spirit complexes in choosing polarity there evolves a good bit of interaction between the two polarities. In sixth density, the density of unity, the positive and negative paths must needs take in each other for all now must be seen as love/light and light/love. This is not difficult for the positive polarity, which sends love and light to all other-selves. It is difficult enough for service-to-self polarized entities that at some point the negative polarity is abandoned.

Ok but so what? You think the positive polarity is without lessons or letting go of distortions of self?

80.20 Questioner: Sorry about that. Can you tell me what the twentieth archetype would be?
Ra: I am Ra. That which you call the Sarcophagus in your system may be seen to be the material world, if you will. This material world is transformed by the spirit into that which is infinite and eternal. The infinity of the spirit is an even greater realization than the infinity of consciousness, for consciousness which has been disciplined by will and faith is that consciousness which may contact intelligent infinity directly. There are many things which fall away in the many, many steps of adepthood. We, of Ra, still walk these steps and praise the One Infinite Creator at each transformation.

I'm not saying go and be negative, just that unity is what embodies both and not a side of the coin. To become one with unity, you will embody all of the countless negative beings that ever were and will be, they won't be any more apart of yourself than anything other so you can't see them as apart from truth when they reflect aspects of truth.

You may consider that while they say it is easier for the positive polarity, they're still talking of something they've yet to achieve and also expressed hoping to make it during their current cycle.

I get the idea of the struggle of repolarizing, but there's equivalent struggles on each side as otherwise evolution wouldn't take so long from both sides. In the end, what was foundation of negative polarity will become what is the foundation of positive polarity and the dark can only become light when seen and understood (distilled) as light and will be reinforced so long it is perceived as otherwise.

I'm not saying there's no truth in that quote, I merely hint at a deeper contemplation of negative beings and what they incarnate of the Whole.

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To take my other post above and the question.

If nothing is overcome within the positive polarity, then the only manner in which what is negative can be distilled is by most truthfully embodying these distortions in acceptance of them as a portion of the self.

So the only manner within which a negative entity may repolarize is by exploring sincerely its negative state. This is why both paths are truly one path, the dark becomes light in acceptance of being what it is and not in seeking to be otherwise.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed, but it can transmute.

That statement alone in my opinion is relevant to what your speaking on minyutar. It also in my opinion is absolute proof of the LOO, and at least that everything is truly apart of God.

[Patrick]

Do not forget that before the veil, STS had not been intended or expected. STS had never been imagined before it was experienced.

[miks]

Huh i found these narrative interesting...what you think.

Lucifer... " Those of you who experience the separation cannot comprehend any being wanting to remove itself from God's love. No Being would want to subject itself to such torment and torture. Yet you are here are you not? You must bring the story within yourself, understand it from a symbolic perspective. I am the aspect of you that is lost, cut off from God. Separate.

I was not always like this I, too, bathed in the love and light of the Source of all creation. I, too, was a Being of light and love. I, too, knew myself as an aspect of God. I, too, knew myself as God. Do not mistake my arrogance as unique to myself. All beings outside of your polarised thinking experience themselves as the spark of the Creator. For God has many faces. It is only Beings in the polarity of good and bad that can possibly see creation as anything else. I must take credit for holding you in this mode of expression. As the story tells, my job was to hold the forgetting.

It was a challenge for beings such as myself to move into the void and create a space that was outside of God. Could it be done? We were curious to try. God granted us free will, the power to decide, to create a choice. I stood at the crossroads and God gave me a choice, to go one way or the other. The signs said, To God, this way. To Darkness, this way. I had to choose. I knew that to choose the path back to God was the choice of God. But the overall plans were to deny God within myself and move beyond. I took a deep breath and curiously stepped into the darkness.

The rebellion was real, yet created by God itself. One third of the angels followed me in rebellion against God. Any came, brave and curious aspects of God, falling into the darkness, the unconscious part of God' s creation. We fell into the Void to hold the forgetting, to create space for the intense growth of all. So, my lawlessness was encouraged, my rebellion smiled upon by a loving God."

The Story continues...
In a pattern of light he fell a blueprint, an idea in light, and a fallen angel, not cast out by God, but surrendering to a higher purpose, an impulse from the Source. The idea was to create a planetary body capable of holding an energy that would isolate and segregate the planet from the love of the rest of the cosmos. This isolation would enable the inhabitants to grow and evolve and learn through all possibilities whether good or bad. Lucifer would sleep in the centre of this soon to be planet, holding an energy that would allow the plan to be implemented. As he fell, he wrapped cloudy veils of illusions around him. These veils, these illusions were to become the reality of planet Earth, weaving together, creating the illusions, the myths of man. Holding firmly the histories of mankind, he slept, encased in the hard rock of the forming planet. Safe from harm, undisturbed until he was to awaken and take the planet to the light by his awakening. As he fell through the darkness, the reaction to his presence created wisps of energy that swirled and spiralled like mist on an early morn. As he descended further and further, the wisps of energy became denser and denser until a form could be seen quite clearly.

It was a Dragon with giant wings, a serpent of the Void, the Unknown.
Encased within the safety of the loving embrace of the Dragon of creation, Lucifer fell still further into the darkness. As he radiated the 'forgetting energy' out from his centre, a strange phenomenon could be seen to occur. The energy created level upon level of reality. At first, there was only a slight, disconnected feeling from the Source. As the process proceeded, the levels became denser and denser, creating more and more levels of forgetting until the Dragon of all creation could be seen to split in two.

Lucifer...
"As I fell as a pattern, a blueprint of an idea, I held in form an energy that enabled beings such as yourselves to experience, light and dark, good and bad. You all come from many places in the universe; there is much healing to be done. The only place in the universe where beings can transmute negativity into positivity is on planet Earth. This is enabled because I, Lucifer, hold a framework that allows there to be duality, judgement. You see, it is not me that commits the sins you project on to me; it is yourselves. You cannot bear the darkness in your own souls, so you disown it and project it onto me. Such is your nature, being held in duality. You, as a species, have a tendency to judge, and this in itself is the downfall of man. You have heard the story of the fall from Eden. I did not commit any sin. I just gave you the choice. You, in your truth, choose to judge the situation and fall from Grace. Grace is the ability to blindly follow the intent of the Creator. You as creative beings choose to choose. It was when you judged, that you fell from your place in heaven. All I did was give you the space where you could have a choice.

I have held this energy framework for millions of years and allowed beings from all over the universe to come here and transmute karma, to learn the lessons Earth so gladly teaches. Through me, you will learn to heal your judgements and will learn to love the darkness as well as the light as they are the two faces of God. Wake up to yourselves. Gather in the projections that you have surrounded me with and begin to heal. Wash away the darkness that encases me and I will be free to be the Lightbringer!"

Lucifer...
" I am a mirror to the human soul. I only reflect your darkness, all that is not with God. The darkest recesses of your soul are reflected in the vision that you have of me. You cannot accept that there are places in your souls that are dark. You talk about being sinners, but how many of you have the courage to accept the darkness within yourselves. You have spent an eternity trying to project this failing onto others and myself. Blaming, judging, simply digging deeper and deeper grave for yourselves. Yet I do not judge. It is all-fine with me. There is nothing that would shock me. I have been very curious watching you from within my space create a world that is constantly on the verge of destruction. You are such exciting beings; I am amazed watching you. You are living breathing expressions of the Creator, creating dark and fore-boding clouds in your very own reality. This has been a necessary part of the plan. You have come here from many places in the universe, bringing many issues with you to be played out. You are using the energy space that I provide to experience good and evil, right and wrong, light and darkness.

You are learning choice and free will. I have held for you a framework where you can experience light and dark. I will hold this framework until the last of you have finished playing in the darkness. For that is what it is, play. Elevate your consciousness into the fifth dimension for a moment, and look at me and you will see that I am friend, a brother, enabling you to experience a creative process that allows you to forget, to dream, and to awaken as God once more. It is to waken in the dream, to allow the God that you are, to awaken in the lucidity of your reality! From the level of non-judgement, it has all been a cosmic joke. All is God; nothing can possibly be left out, so, therefore, so am I and so is the darkness. For the darkness is a very creative process and fear in its transmutation is an experience never to be missed by any enquiring and curious soul.

When you can accept and love the part of you that is the dark as a creative part of your consciousness, then I will free you from my grasps and we will move together into the Oneness of New Planet. When you no longer look at me as outside of yourself, when you have pulled all the aspects of yourself into the fullness of your souls you will move in consciousness. When you can look upon evil acts without judgement, then you have truly entered the realms of heaven. I await you there. It is not about living your life without care or purpose. It is about feeling and following the intent of the soul without judgement. I have faith in you as I waken within you. As you integrate me as your own, we will both be free to play once more in Eden. For within my soul and yours, there is the information we will use to find our way Home to bathe in each other's love once more. I cannot wait for the embrace. I have felt the love. It has made me hungry. Finally I know what will satisfy this empty heart. The love of your soul. For it is through beings such as you that mankind can free the perspectives that you have around evil. Only when you can look upon darkness with the love of the Creator, which you are, will this planet of yours shift in vibration.

I hold the key. I am a blueprint. Not only do I hold the idea of separation and duality, but I also have the means with which to transform your world into a unified world of oneness and light. No longer will you see black and white, yin and yang, but you will perceive the unification of spirit and matter. You will literally become Gods living in physical forms. For this was the plan that we had all along to transform the very negativity of the universe through the love of beings such as you and me. For are we not all fallen angels?

The blueprint is a matrix that contains all the necessary information to create a New Planet frequency; beings are being aligned with the crystal at the centre of the planet to access this information. When the time is right, every-one will be aligned and I will send out a new intent. With this, we will bathe in the Light of the Creator once more. So, until the last person is finished dancing with the devil, I will hold the old way, but I am eager to shift into a new role, one where I will be misunderstood no more."

[Infinite]

What is the source of this text?

Peace, love and light.

[Minyatur]

What is the source of this text?

Peace, love and light.

Seems to be part of a book called The mission of the One Star.

[Infinite]

There is an information that I read in only two sources: the Confederation would have been created in reason of Lucifer actions. Here one passage about this:

And Lucifer? No one spoke clearly of Lucifer’s activities following the famous incident at the council of starmakers and starmasters. Some said that this was all according to cosmic law, that Lucifer was no criminal, but an active principle of evolution. Not so for the Federation. In fact, it could be said that the Lucifer plot was the very reason for the Federation’s existence. After all, was it not the Federation  that imposed the quarantine on the Velatropa* sector in hopes of trapping and limiting the Luciferian experiment?

*“Place of the turning light.” Name of experimental zone of Galactic Mother within Northern Quadrant where Lucifer is quarantined by the Galactic Federation.

ASSUMING that Lucifer really was the creator of STO/STS paradigm, makes sense that an universe without STS entities would not need of a Confederation.

What you think?

Peace, love and light.

[Glow]

Huh i found these narrative interesting...what you think.

Lucifer... " Those of you who experience the separation cannot comprehend any being wanting to remove itself from God's love. No Being would want to subject itself to such torment and torture. Yet you are here are you not? You must bring the story within yourself, understand it from a symbolic perspective. I am the aspect of you that is lost, cut off from God. Separate.

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For are we not all fallen angels?

The blueprint is a matrix that contains all the necessary information to create a New Planet frequency; beings are being aligned with the crystal at the centre of the planet to access this information. When the time is right, every-one will be aligned and I will send out a new intent. With this, we will bathe in the Light of the Creator once more. So, until the last person is finished dancing with the devil, I will hold the old way, but I am eager to shift into a new role, one where I will be misunderstood no more."

This really resonates. I remember thinking and actually posting a thread about the opposite of love being judgement and oddly when I was coming to that conclusion it was in reference to the Eden storey. We left Eden when we started to judge, to get back to Eden we need to stop judging. A lot of this writing resonates.

Thanks for sharing