(03-11-2017, 09:50 AM)Night Owl Wrote: I think the kind of pain you describe as the root is one kind of pain. But there are many kinds of pain and in that lies my first interaction. The kind you describe I would say is the root of red/orange blocage. But as life goes on and we experience the yellow ray (social interactions) we create new pains because of social constructs. I can atest I have experienced the kind of pain you described when I was younger I just think I have made peace with the root. I much more suffer now from derivations of social pain like projections from others, feelings of being not understood, feeling trapped inside social constructs totally absent of understanding of the individuals. I mean I am a man. If someone comes to me and puts me inside the oppressor box in the feminist debate just because I am a man, I feel totally as oppressed as women because I've never considered oppressing a woman myself. If anything women around me seem more free than I ever felt like. I have to constantly seperate myself from social constructs in order to even feel like I exist because inside the social box of norms there's just no place where I can exist. I have to be alone in order to experience a feeling of liberty and perception of my own existence else I just feel like I'm in some other people's nightmares.
Just to hit on that note of putting you(any men) in the oppressor box. I'd say it was a fair bet to assume at least myself I never saw any of you here in that box. This thread was so uncomfortable because some posts where feminism was attacked actually made it possible that men here would be part of that and I had not considered that so it was a shock.
I also want to say I see men's pain every day. I see many women, society really treat men as if their value is based on the money they can provide or how the measure up to the role man has been prescribed and it hits my gag reflex every time.
Men are told by society and each other and even women to suppress their inner self just be the wallet, build your power to control everything in the world yourself included and that will be the way to happiness.
i see men everyday having ticked all societies prescribed boxes, they have worked so hard to do what they were told make money, build assets, marry a beautiful women, perhaps the even upgrade to one more beautiful, have heirs, give them everything,.... infinity then they find they are empty still.
Others still never get that far they are labeled less of a man because they earn less, don't get a lot of sex, lack power, have "womanly" emotions, infinity.
They truely need to know themselves, be loved by those who want to know them deeply and can cherish them then worry about the material details. Society obscures the solution is so simple. Society puts us in this loop of no one being good enough as themselves, no one ever being truely acceptable when really if we dropped those material requirements beauty, power, monetary worth and just valued each other for the one inside we would all be loved, all be cared for, all he happy.
I know I am not communicating clearly, so much to say but almost to much to say it all. Men are treated badly. It goes so far back. I truely believe a root of how men were trained to reach for a model of malehood so they would be able to see themselves as worthy and be seen as worthy was started by those in power to keep their power. Divide and conquer.
Men and women we do what we do if you take off all the filters we do it to be loved by one selves and each other. Everyone deep down wants acceptance of their true self and love. The elite inflicted these rules of how men should be and how women should be and it essentially pushed us as counterparts into what seems like an infinite spiral away from ourselves, each other and what we truely want... divide and conquer was never does with so much presission.
I'm out of words but thank you all for sharing yours.