Wanting To Be Indian: When Spiritual Searching Turns into Cultural Theft - By Myke Jo

[isis]

"Sophia was safely taken out of North Dakota for emergent surgery and is currently in stable condition. Below is her statement as conveyed by her father, lawyer Wayne Wilansky. “At around 4:30am after the police hit the bridge with water cannons and rubber bullets and pepper spray they lobbed a number of concussion grenades which are not supposed to be thrown at people directly at protesters or protectors as they want to be called.”
via Bleu Adams

It’s frankly stunning that after Dakota Access Pipeline protestor Sophia Wilansky had one of her arms destroyed by an explosive device that mainstream media outlets with considerable resources—ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, NBC, New York Times, Washington Post, etc—didn’t immediately try to discover which side was telling the truth.

According to the Morton County Sheriff’s Officer (MCSO) and the North Dakota Highway Patrol:

“We are aware of the information about the woman on social media who has claimed she sustained injuries to her arm due to law enforcement tactics. The injuries sustained are inconsistent with any resources utilized by law enforcement and are not a direct result of any tools or weapons used by law enforcement.” – Lt. Tom Iverson, ND Highway Patrol.

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http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11/25/...n-grenade/

[Billy]

I'm going to suspend judgement as to the causes of this girls injury.  Either way, she has been through something traumatic and I hope she doesn't get used as some political football.  The use of a grenade by anyone surely is not productive.  I don't get why they don't just reroute the pipeline if it would spare so much pain and misery on both sides.  If they are concerned about money, think about all the money required to keep police at the site.  Just extend the pipeline and be done with it.  

[smc]

"Sophia was safely taken out of North Dakota for emergent surgery and is currently in stable condition. Below is her statement as conveyed by her father, lawyer Wayne Wilansky. “At around 4:30am after the police hit the bridge with water cannons and rubber bullets and pepper spray they lobbed a number of concussion grenades which are not supposed to be thrown at people directly at protesters or protectors as they want to be called.”
via Bleu Adams

It’s frankly stunning that after Dakota Access Pipeline protestor Sophia Wilansky had one of her arms destroyed by an explosive device that mainstream media outlets with considerable resources—ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, NBC, New York Times, Washington Post, etc—didn’t immediately try to discover which side was telling the truth.

According to the Morton County Sheriff’s Officer (MCSO) and the North Dakota Highway Patrol:

“We are aware of the information about the woman on social media who has claimed she sustained injuries to her arm due to law enforcement tactics. The injuries sustained are inconsistent with any resources utilized by law enforcement and are not a direct result of any tools or weapons used by law enforcement.” – Lt. Tom Iverson, ND Highway Patrol.

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http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/11/25/...n-grenade/

isis - if you want to resort to the speculations of an NRA/Gun Lobby - Donald Trump supporting website over the direct knowledge of the specialist surgeons working to reconstruct her arm, (and their forensic medical reports to her father specifying the cause of her injuries) - of course - that's your choice...

It's been interesting seeing your recent Trump supporting posts also ...

- perhaps (as the KKK also endorses Trump) - you'll next post a photo of a dead black man hanging from a tree?

("for the fun of it")

(additional info: I do NOT support Hillary Clinton)

B4th's (stated) aims are STO... but your behaviour is often spiteful, snide, and patronising.

Also, you 'monitor' members, and discourage, irritate, and overall deter many people from feeling comfortable to interact on Bring 4th.
(I've got direct proof of this from several messages sent to me by other members, and my own experiences of your energy)

Is it possible that you have an unconscious STS agenda?
If you genuinely feel you aren't leaning towards STS, could you explain how your posts and negative behaviour on B4 are STO ?

You won't believe me - but I do wish for the very best for you. Whatever form that takes.

One other thing (to everyone); I'd like to clarify any assumptions about me being a 'social justice warrior' or 'PC' or 'left-wing'.

From my posts it would be easy to assume these labels apply.

The clearest way I can explain myself is that LOVE - to ALL (without allowing myself to be abused) is where I'm 'located'...

For example, I wish Love and Light for Donald Trump ... I don't hate him (or his family)... not at all...I strongly dislike their behaviour and the damage they cause - as well as feeling love for him (the real 'him' buried so deep inside the sociopathic personality and narcissistic psychology)...  just as I have Love for each Police officer drenching Indigenous elders in freezing weather at 3am at Standing Rock...

My father was an eye witness outside Bergen Belsen (Nazi concentration camp) the week WW2 ended - and he saw the dead bodies of Jewish families piled high in the streets all around him - it broke him - he was never the same person again - he married very late and became a father (to me) at 40. He has a totally damaged psyche from the horror he saw up close (he's now 94) - and when I was younger I was attacked by 4 Neo-Nazi's (4 on 1) and badly beaten  - I was just watching a band and minding my own business - but I don't 'hate' them - or Hitler - I abhor the events, I abhor the behaviour - but if you go to a place of HATE - you lose connection with LOVE/LIGHT ... you begin on your own regression towards darkness - you become the HATE that is alive and eating the HATER you are reacting to.

http://theforgivenessproject.com/about-us/ (additional info: "an award-winning, secular organisation that collects and shares real stories of forgiveness to build understanding, encourage reflection and enable people to reconcile with the pain and move forward from the trauma in their own lives.")

A false 'loving' - 'sugar coated' passivity is dangerous. There is a requirement to take action if possible - or at least CARE about injustice. If I saw anyone hurting anyone I'd support the person being hurt - they could be a racist for example: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24653643
"In 1996, a black teenager protected a white man from an angry mob who thought he supported the racist Ku Klux Klan. It was an act of extraordinary courage and kindness - and is still inspiring people today.
Keshia Thomas was 18 when the Ku Klux Klan, the white supremacist organisation, held a rally in her home town in Michigan."



I can't 'walk past' injustice/violence/abuse and ignore it - no matter who the identities of the people are. I'm passionate and active to respond to STS and I try to infuse situations with as much LOVE as I can without compromising my health and boundaries.

I care about people hurting Trump supporters, I care about people hurting Muslims, Gays, women etc.

(I'm now wondering if there will be posts with links to Holocaust deniers.. yep - this is the nature of the conspiracy beliefs of some membership here... or perhaps anagogy or minya will say the Jews were 'out of alignment with themselves' and brought the mass murder of millions of them upon themselves...)

Also - I'm aware this post may be seen as hurtful - but imo isis - your posts have justified 'feedback' (ie: real and honest reaction/s)(especially these most recent ones) for a LONGGGGG TIME... imo it would be (understandable) but unloving for me to stay silent and not let you know what I think of your posts to this thread (especially when this will likely cause a shitstorm) - but if SHTF - so be it... members on B4 get away with (their own forms) of hurting people all the time - and imo no one is doing anyone any favours by not calling out promotion of STS when they see clear examples posted; and/or not letting you know how you affect the forum.

I'm making this my last post ever. Anyone can say whatever they want and I'll make no reply.
My replies will be your own posts.
If you look at what you're putting forth from yourself - any replies to this post will be your information about you.

isis - if you wish to pm me I'm very open to non combative conversation. I appreciated what you wrote about not disliking me, and have always felt love for you even though you are so prickly/defensive; I offer to hear your feelings. If not - I totally understand.


Overall, I wanted to come here and share love and learning (and give free tarot readings/Usui Reiki treatments) and make friends... what a bummer... never mind...

(additional info: I'm not 'human' and find being alive in 3D extremely difficult... (the disconnect from my SMC is often excruciating... I'm intensely uncomfortable being the only consciousness 'in my head'...)
I had a 'nervous breakdown' at 19 and was actively suicidal twice (2009 and 2013).
I now stay alive by 24/7 telepathic contact with non corporeal 'entities'. If it weren't for this help I wouldn't be here.
(I'm only now sharing this very personal information - because I'm leaving and won't have any need to respond to any judgements of me that may follow.)

Contrary to ideas of me - I'm not 'political' - I interact with 'the Energy'.

I think a lot of the younger members on B4 are in a lot of serious pain and haven't been incarnate long enough to have a wider/deeper/bigger picture of the journeying of 'older' wanderers who've been grappling with it all for decades longer.

(What I personally know is that Love/Wisdom is my truth.)

NB: Yes, anagogy this IS my last post - but what's it to you if it is or isn't?? (ie: what's up with that energy you're sending out?))

big love and the very best to ALL here.
Thanks for my learning everybody.

Posts to this thread (and B4) - now complete - Account Closed.

L/L
smc

[Nicholas]

All law is violence. Therefore any solution through law is a propagation of violence.

If only it was that simple...

83.14 Questioner: I would say that a very high percentage of the laws and restrictions within what we call our legal system are of a nature of enslavement of which I just spoke. Would you agree with this?
Ra: I am Ra. It is a necessary balance to the intention of law, which is to protect, that the result would encompass an equal distortion towards imprisonment. Therefore, we may say that your supposition is correct. This is not to denigrate those who, in green- and blue-ray energies, sought to free a peaceable people from the bonds of chaos but only to point out the inevitable consequences of codification of response which does not recognize the uniqueness of each and every situation within your experience.

There are 2 sides to every coin and becoming too involved and impressed by intellectual ideologies, can and will blind us somewhat. I think Ra nuanced such in 18.6.  The other side of this particular coin that I would like to point out is to replace "propagation" with "mitigation". 

How can we ever understand each other better if we assume another's intention? If we open our hearts to all involved it becomes much easier to spot certain speakers or teachers using separating language. It's like a lump in the throat, or a metaphysical kind of indigestion. It just does not sit well inside.

[Nicholas]

@ SMC

I really don't want to see any more females depart from bring4th. Some female members are intellectually strong, emotionally independent and recognise their inner power and beauty, and so they need little or no reassurance. They are also to some degree or another vulnerable and tender like the rest of us are. For those few, being respected and loved is far more valuable than being liked, or having a bucketful of "likes", or even having impressive post/like stats. But others are deeply vulnerable, sensitive, and to some degree, confused. It may appear on the surface that certain members support seemingly dark interests, but we can never know unless we enquire further and seek to understand them, and we cannot do that if we turn our backs and paint a wide brush over the forum, or individuals that leave us breathless with "How can they say that!?" inner thoughts.

As a male, my guess is that some male members here have been culturally dissuaded from their feminine counter part. And perhaps, to compensate, a highly analytical and scholarly approach is the only tangible way in which to express the self. If there is any insight or validity to that then I can only surmise that sensitive females can offer their service, or "catalyst" if you will, to address that. Meanwhile, I truly feel that us males are missing out on valuable feedback!

So please, open a new account and call yourself whatever you want to. I accept you wholeheartedly and hope that others can perceive the importance of more female members above their own.

Here is a lemon juicy, honey flavoured hug,

(((   )))

[anagogy]

isis - if you want to resort to the speculations of an NRA/Gun Lobby - Donald Trump supporting website over the direct knowledge of the specialist surgeons working to reconstruct her arm, (and their forensic medical reports to her father specifying the cause of her injuries) - of course - that's your choice...

It's been interesting seeing your recent Trump supporting posts also ...

- perhaps (as the KKK also endorses Trump) - you'll next post a photo of a dead black man hanging from a tree?

There are no doubt some pedophiles and other varieties of sexual predators that voted for Hillary, does that mean that if you supported Hillary you share the sentiments of child molesters? That would be an absurd conclusion to draw wouldn't you agree? Just like pointing out that the KKK endorses Trump. It doesn't mean anything.

I don't speak for isis, obviously, but by my estimation all she has ever done is provide a more rounded perspective by showing the other side of these polarizing topics. It is very easy to pick a side and only see things from that limited and narrow point of view, but it takes courage to look through both sides of the lens. People get so "tribal" about their perspectives, and emotionally charged (we're all guilty of that from time to time). They wrongly assume an alternate perspective is some kind of attack on theirs. The fact is often what you hear in the media is an obfuscation of what is really going on and everybody just eats it up hook line and sinker without a second thought (the media coverage of Trump comes to mind).

I for one appreciate both perspectives being shared. There is no need to take such offense to it. Frankly, if your stance on an issue seems black and white or obvious, I can almost universally guarantee that you are operating from a warped perspective because human experience is virtually never so monochrome. If something is true than it won't be harmed by investigation, if it isn't true than it deserves to be destroyed by it.

One other thing (to everyone); I'd like to clarify any assumptions about me being a 'social justice warrior' or 'PC' or 'left-wing'.

From my posts it would be easy to assume these labels apply.

The clearest way I can explain myself is that LOVE - to ALL (without allowing myself to be abused) is where I'm 'located'...

For example, I wish Love and Light for Donald Trump ... I don't hate him (or his family)... not at all...I strongly dislike their behaviour and the damage they cause - as well as feeling love for him (the real 'him' buried so deep inside the sociopathic personality and narcissistic psychology)...  just as I have Love for each Police officer drenching Indigenous elders in freezing weather at 3am at Standing Rock...

But see, this is often the most irritating quality of so called "social justice warriors" or "PC culture". They always think they are coming from a place of love and light (just like the inquisition probably thought they were on the side of truth and light), but by your own admission right here you are looking at people and judging them as sociopathic narcissistics. This is anything but STO. Do you really think viewing people in this way is unifying in any shape way or form? I've got news for you, that is the opposite of love. When you apply such labels you can only ever see their worst side. Nobody is all good or all bad. That includes isis, you, and myself and everybody else in the world.

but a false 'loving' - 'sugar coated' passivity is dangerous.

The real "sugar coated passivity", in my opinion, is accepting the narrative that the media puts out as the ipso facto truth. Often the "do gooder" emotions you are being stirred up to are not helping anyone but rather serving somebody's agenda that you have become an unwitting pawn to through information manipulation. A great deal of activism amounts to intellectual masturbation and is not helping the world at all (in fact I think it makes it far worse). Often times what appears as selfless behavior is the exact opposite (and the same goes for selfishness) -- another reason why you can't judge the polarity of an act from its outer appearance. Often I find activists are the most self serving of all. Not always, but often. They are often far more interested in being perceived as a do gooder than in actually doing good in the world. But of course, they won't ever admit to others, or themselves, that their activism is actually rooted in their egoistic self image rather than some kind of actual benevolence.

I'm making this my last post ever. Anyone can say whatever they want and I'll make no reply.

And how many times have you said this exact same thing? And how many times has it not been true?

Sorry, I don't believe you. So until next time I suppose...

[Kaaron]

I feel that the root of your issue with the forum is your expectations SMC.
I get the feeling you think that because the overall intention of the B4th creators is STO, there should be some sort of regulation of those who offer a more STS perspective, even if it is just them playing devils advocate.
If you can look at the perceived STS behavior and find its balance in yourself, you may find that you can forgive or understand another's perspective with less conflict.
It's not that you're wrong, you seem to have an issue understanding that other's can be just as right as you, given their polarity or perspective.

[isis]

It's been interesting seeing your recent Trump supporting posts also ... - perhaps (as the KKK also endorses Trump) - you'll next post a photo of a dead black man hanging from a tree?
("for the fun of it")

did you know there's another side to that kkk thing, too?

btw, just so you know, i didn't vote for trump. (i didn't vote for hillary, either.) i never once said i support trump. i'm not taking sides...i'm just sharing other sides, bc i feel compelled to, for any that may be interested. i mean no harm, i come in peace.

The thing about the Klan is that it isn't just one organisation with a central headquarters. There's dozens of Klan chapters and while they might have a network of loose affiliations between them they're for the most part completely independent of one another, separate organisations with their own activities and memberships and rituals. There's splits and hostility between 'modernist' (i.e. pro-Nazi) Klan chapters and 'traditionalist' (pro-Constitution) Klan chapters. The Klan isn't this big nationwide organisation.
Which is why the whole 'KKK ENDORSES X CANDIDATE' thing is so fucking dumb. David Duke, who hasn't been involved with the Klan since the late '70s, said he didn't officially endorse Trump but thought he was the best candidate- cue media headlines screaming, "KKK ENDORSES TRUMP! HE REFUSES TO DISAVOW!" This is after he disavowed half-a-dozen times.
Quigg, head of a California Klan group, openly endorses Clinton. Silence. Absolute media silence. f*** knows why he's actually endorsing her, there's loads of convincing reasons you could probably come up with. But the fact that he did so, and that all the major broadcasters and news outlets are totally silent on it, is the real story here. The media reaction is the story. Their coverage of these two separate cases is totally fucking lopsided and really throws into stark relief how much bias they have.
For the press, as with BLM, the KKK is a boogeyman who can be trotted out to smear opponents and terrorise voters. The KKK are a dying, fractured group of squabbling organisations who pose very little serious threat to anyone. The media though can (selectively) use them to invoke fear, stoke racial divisions, and sway public opinion. The way they've turned a complete blind eye to Quigg's statements while screaming Duke's to the four corners of the Earth is testament to this.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/re...s_08262016#

[Billy]

I'm getting to the point where any news outlet (mainstream or alternative) gives me such a heavy feeling that I feel like I'm being dragged down into hell itself.  The media for the last few months has been SO utterly toxic, with people of all political persuasions acting like they have been possessed, myself included.  I think a good ol' unplug from all news outlets is in order.  I actually do wonder what would happen if everyone on Earth simultaneously just said eff it to the media for a good few months.  I wonder what kind of effect it would have on peoples mentalities, perspectives and patience.

I also have to say that I don't feel as though isis has posted anything hostile or cruel to merit labeling her actions and intentions as being STS.  I just can't see how that would be helpful.  Like practically everyone on Earth, isis has wounds, which is bound to show itself in some of her postings, and for those who can sense energy, in her energy field.  Correlating that with a STS agenda is for me not accurate.  

I have to admit though that what you have touched on has hit a nerve with me.  One of my biggest fears is that I am deep down actually some type of evil person, and I seem to find more evidence each day to believe in that, with some of the things I have been aligning with.  I honestly don't feel the need to lament Trump (in fact I was supporting him over Hillary during the run up to the election), or scream about and throw my support behind those who are protesting at standing rock.  The original topic of this thread, cultural appropriation, and the many many other things that we are told nowadays that are important and should think and care about aren't things I pay much attention to, nor do they deeply concern me.  I'd be lying if I said they did.  Activism is not something I particularly care for and I don't feel the need to call others out on their poor behavior (unless someone is seriously being threatened with physical harm).  I don't really come to peoples rescue to be honest.  I'm not sure what all that says about me, but I get the impression it paints me in a pretty poor light.  What can I say, I guess I'm just not a very loving person, despite all my efforts to be one.    

I know how trite and insincere this is going to sound SMC, but heck, even if it is I'm going to say it anyways.....I love you.  I'm very sorry for the devastation you have experienced in your life and I know what it is like to feel powerless and how much it hurts to see people you deeply care about in pain.  Some wounds truly do feel like they will never heal, but somewhere deep inside my heart I truly do believe that there is no pain too great and no wound too deep that it can't be fully healed, kissed and purified.    

I'll let Hatonn, who I absolutely adore, take if from here:

In your daily work or pleasure or leisure hours, think of love for all, and you will discover that all there is is good. This is what you are seeking. This will make you whole. I am leaving now and in my parting I am suggesting that you have more compassion for your brothers and sisters. They are you, as one.

[Diana]

@ Billy: Beautiful post above to SMC.

I can say that from my perspective, unplugging from the media is essential. 

I feel I am smarter, more perceptive, clearer in my thinking, more centered, better able to analyze what is going on in the world, and more able to focus on my life and what I want it to be having unplugged from the media. 

That doesn't mean I never pay attention. But because I am unplugged, I am detached when I do. That detachment allows for more clarity.

I am a proponent of getting outside of the box. Whether the box is societal judgments, current cosmologies, beliefs, popular culture, or anything the mind wants to cling to—that's a very good time to stop and observe, loosen up the grip, and stretch. It feels good—resistance is what feels bad. A good example is driving in rush-hour traffic. Everyone is trying to hold their place, not letting anyone squeeze in front of them. Your whole body gets tense and adrenaline gets released from fight or flight. A lot of F U's get thrown at strangers. But when you get out of that consciousness and let it go, and start letting cars slip in with kindness, it feels great. And it doesn't take any longer to get home.

[Dekalb_Blues]

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4 Dec. '16 -- The Army Corps of Engineers denied the easement through Lake Oahe and will "begin undertaking an environmental statement to look at possible alternative routes."

For some obscure technical reason this forum interface is disallowing any of my attempts to provide link-URLs to the Stand with Standing Rock website's press releases page or Camp of the Sacred Stones website's "DAPL Easement Denied, But The Fight's Not Over," and other pages.

[Later -- 6 Dec.]:

http://standwithstandingrock.net/category/news/
http://sacredstonecamp.org/blog/2016/12/...hats-next/


Ghost Dance Shirt. Sioux, South Dakota, ca. 1890 C.E.



Aten Symbol. Those-of-Ra, Amarna/Akhetaten, Egypt, ca. 1350 B.C.E.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarna

[isis]

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4 Dec. '16 -- The Army Corps of Engineers denied the easement through Lake Oahe and will "begin undertaking an environmental statement to look at possible alternative routes."

For some obscure technical reason this forum interface is disallowing any of my attempts to provide link-URLs to the Stand with Standing Rock website's press releases page or Camp of the Sacred Stones website's "DAPL Easement Denied, But The Fight's Not Over," and other pages.

North Dakota congressman Kevin Cramer reacted to news regarding the Dakota Access pipeline:

“I hoped even a lawless president wouldn’t continue to ignore the rule of law. However, it was becoming increasingly clear he was punting this issue down the road. Today’s unfortunate decision sends a very chilling signal to others who want to build infrastructure in this country. Roads, bridges, transmission lines, pipelines, wind farms and water lines will be very difficult, if not impossible, to build when criminal behavior is rewarded this way. In my conversation with Assistant Secretary of the Army Jo-Ellen Darcy today, she was unable to give any legal reasons for the decision and could not answer any questions about rerouting the pipeline. I’m encouraged we will restore law and order next month when we get a President who will not thumb his nose at the rule of law. I feel badly for the Corps of Engineers because of the diligent work it did on this project, only to have their Commander-in-Chief throw them under the bus. But he’s been doing that to the military for eight years, so why not one more time on his way out the door.”

"House Speaker Paul Ryan called the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers' decision Sunday to deny a government permit for the Dakota Access oil pipeline in southern North Dakota 'big government decision-making at its worst.'"

"The decision today by the Obama Administration to further postpone any action on the easement for the Dakota Access Pipeline is a serious mistake. It does nothing to resolve the issue, and worst of all it prolongs the serious problems faced by North Dakota law enforcement as they try to maintain public safety." — Gov. Jack Dalrymple, R-N.D.

"The Obama administration's refusal to issue an easement for the Dakota Access Pipeline violates the rule of law and fails to resolve the issue. Instead, it passes the decision off to the next administration, which has already indicated it will approve the easement, and in the meantime perpetuates a difficult situation for North Dakotans." — Sen. John Hoeven, R-N.D.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/06/the-pr...explained/