The Nature of Dual Activated Bodies

[Edinburgh]

this was a cool link I was looking at yesterday:

Is the Sun emitting a mystery particle?

Hmmmm evidence of the 4D vibrations???

It does seem so. Isn't the sun the local sub-logos?

It seems to be changing ...

[Bring4th_Austin]

Resurrecting this topic because I came across a related tidbit which perplexed me, and was wondering if anyone had any insight:

65.19 Questioner: Thank you. The forgetting process was puzzling me because you said that the fourth-density activated people who were here who had been harvested did not have the same forgetting problem. Could you tell me why the Wanderer loses his memory?

Ra: I am Ra. The reason is twofold. First, the genetic properties of the connection between the mind/body/spirit complex and the cellular structure of the body is different for third-density than for third/fourth-density.

What in the world would this mean? How might it be noticeable?

[zenmaster]

Resurrecting this topic because I came across a related tidbit which perplexed me, and was wondering if anyone had any insight:

65.19 Questioner: Thank you. The forgetting process was puzzling me because you said that the fourth-density activated people who were here who had been harvested did not have the same forgetting problem. Could you tell me why the Wanderer loses his memory?

Ra: I am Ra. The reason is twofold. First, the genetic properties of the connection between the mind/body/spirit complex and the cellular structure of the body is different for third-density than for third/fourth-density.

What in the world would this mean? How might it be noticeable?

I don't think we notice the genetic properties of the connection between mind/body/spirit complex of the third-density. So we would not have anything with which to compare. If 3D (ethical) body controls the biological body 2D (formed body) which controls the chemical 1D (unformed body), then 4D body would subsume all three densities. Each density is a form of consciousness. The densities are not "stacked", like a ladder, they are embedded. So the expression of a lower density would be dependent on the higher-vibrational controller or director of that manner consciousness. So 4D would direct the 3D to the extent it was aware.

Problems seem to be that fourth density is a different vibrational quantum which can not be measured. Further, we can also not measure 2D or 3D vibration (except as some form impressed in subjective experience of mind). Also our current understanding of genetics is relegated to 1D.

[unity100]

Resurrecting this topic because I came across a related tidbit which perplexed me, and was wondering if anyone had any insight:

65.19 Questioner: Thank you. The forgetting process was puzzling me because you said that the fourth-density activated people who were here who had been harvested did not have the same forgetting problem. Could you tell me why the Wanderer loses his memory?

Ra: I am Ra. The reason is twofold. First, the genetic properties of the connection between the mind/body/spirit complex and the cellular structure of the body is different for third-density than for third/fourth-density.

What in the world would this mean? How might it be noticeable?

I don't think we notice the genetic properties of the connection between mind/body/spirit complex of the third-density. So we would not have anything with which to compare. If 3D (ethical) body controls the biological body 2D (formed body) which controls the chemical 1D (unformed body), then 4D body would subsume all three densities. Each density is a form of consciousness. The densities are not "stacked", like a ladder, they are embedded. So the expression of a lower density would be dependent on the higher-vibrational controller or director of that manner consciousness. So 4D would direct the 3D to the extent it was aware.

Problems seem to be that fourth density is a different vibrational quantum which can not be measured. Further, we can also not measure 2D or 3D vibration (except as some form impressed in subjective experience of mind). Also our current understanding of genetics is relegated to 1D.

your 'embedded' proposition flies in the face of the fact that 4d was explicitly described as a different plane, dimension in Ra material. not something 'embedded' into preexisting 1, 2, 3d ones.

you seem to be trying to create a unified perspective in which all densities will sequentially follow each other uniformly, building up on each other through a certain function uniformly, without reality-changing or physicality-changing major steps.

this contradicts with the knowledge that 4d, 4th chakra, green energies were emphasized repeatedly as a springboard which changes almost everything, and the point where what is dubbed as 'magical' and 'paranormal' starts, totally transforming the reality. if energies are arranged in that way in regard to properties, the bodies which vibrate within them have to follow that energetical/spiritual situation.

[Oceania]

density suggests they are embedded. dense, as in contains many. not one or the other. semantically.

[Oldern]

Unity, I think that you should reconsider that "different" thing. Obviously, 2nd density is embedded into 3rd density, as we are able to live together with them. Yet, we have certain properties that are unique to this density. There is a reason that 4th density beings -as described by Ra- first have to learn to become invisible to 3rd density. That implicates very directly that they do have a 3rd density manifestation without actually needing to "come to our level". One that is overflowy and shiny, but still.

[darklight]

*spam*

What is this, 4th density STS spam?

[zenmaster]

What is this, 4th density STS spam?

Same MyBB bots that have been around for a while. You may not want to quote the spammer's entire post (with embedded links), as the mods must then also find your post to clean up.

[AmenhotepIII]

I don't know if I should start a new thread, but since it's somewhat on the subject of dual-activated bodies, I'll post here.

Can a dual actived body give birth to a 4D only body?

I'm curious how the first 4D only body is created and that's my best guess.

[anagogy]

I don't know if I should start a new thread, but since it's somewhat on the subject of dual-activated bodies, I'll post here.

Can a dual actived body give birth to a 4D only body?

I'm curious how the first 4D only body is created and that's my best guess.

As I understand it, yes, that is how a fully 4D body will come about, but I think it is going to be very very gradual. For example, it may be a dual body that gives birth to the fully 4D physical body, but that dual body that gives birth is probably going to be a body that leans more towards 4D than 3D. In otherwords, every generation is going to lean more towards 4D than 3D until finally a 'pure' generation of 4D bodies are generated.

So in all likelihood it will be a while before that comes about.

[kycahi]

I'm glad that this old thread came back around, because I have no memory of reading it before. It's really interesting.

The first page says that dual-bodied folk can fall behind and have to relive 3D for awhile to catch back up. If so, I guess a dual couple also might give birth to 3D-only child(ren) under a certain circumstance. I tend to agree with the gradual way of introducing 4Ders into Gaia until it is ready for a true 4D planetary role.

These days I see many young people fervently wanting to do the right things for our planet. In Hawaii, unlike the part of California that I moved from, recycling is primitive and takes trouble to keep recyclables out of the landfill. Young millennials are the ones who go to a lot of effort to provide receptacles for cans, bottles and paper, and even go through garbage to pull out things to recycle or to dispose of correctly to protect the environment. That's what I thought of while reading Austen's posts of 2011.

I can well believe that dual-born children could have a hard time coming into this 3D environment with strong love of the planet being seriously troubled by parents / other adults dismissing their respect for Gaia.

This from Q'uo:

The interpenetration of third density with fourth-density energy in the time/space sector of this development is bombarding the Earth with wave after wave of a denser kind of light that brings all entities’ worst fears to the surface and plays them out.

Gives a great explanation of why people, including police, are flipping out with guns and IEDs. The pressure is just so high.

[GentleWanderer]

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[AnthroHeart]

Ra said that only 4D wanderers have dual bodies, but I think that even 6D wanderers could have a 4D body too that could be active. Earth has a 4D vibration, so why can't all wanderers have dual bodies?

[Minyatur]

Ra said that only 4D wanderers have dual bodies, but I think that even 6D wanderers could have a 4D body too that could be active. Earth has a 4D vibration, so why can't all wanderers have dual bodies?

Simply put, desired rules of the experience.

You can always play from the rules though, I think I've been incarnating within the same blood line (although not entirely) to create an alignment with my essence over time.

[Bring4th_Austin]

Ra said that only 4D wanderers have dual bodies, but I think that even 6D wanderers could have a 4D body too that could be active. Earth has a 4D vibration, so why can't all wanderers have dual bodies?

The distinction that I see isn't that 4D wanderers have dual bodies. 4D wanderers would have the normal 3D body, just like 5D or 6D. Ra gives a reasoning here:

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Secondly, the free will of third-density entities needs be preserved. Thus Wanderers volunteer for third-density genetic or DNA connections to the mind/body/spirit complex. The forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the Wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

The new fourth-density entities which are becoming able to demonstrate various newer abilities are doing so as a result of the present experience, not as a result of memory. There are always a few exceptions, and we ask your forgiveness for constant barrages of over-generalization.

The key to your question being new fourth-density entities, which are those who have the dual bodies. The free will of the population would be effected if the wanderers had access to their bodies because they have had previous experience with higher bodies. The dual-activated individuals have not had previous experience with the higher bodies and must learn how to use them, and anything they demonstrate would be a result of such new learning.

Ra said these individuals are wanderers "only in the sense that they chose, in fourth-density love, to immediately reincarnate in third density rather than proceeding towards fourth density. This causes them to be Wanderers of a type, Wanderers who have never left the Earth plane because of their free will rather than because of their vibrational level."

But we are dealing with both a universe of seemingly infinite possibly and a set of restrictive rules. Who knows what is actually possible? Ra spoke in generalizations which could not always be 100% accurate. There always seems to be room for outliers and exceptions.

[GentleWanderer]

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[Ashim]

Indigo= 4th
Crystal = 5th
Light= 6th

[Minyatur]

I'm not sure if what Ra said at the time (that only new 4th entities have the dual activation) is still true today because it seems that news energetics configurations of entities have appeared since the harmonic convergence and i know people who seems to have some kind of natural, innate metaphysical abilities without being interested in the matter, and i've the feeling that these persons could be from a higher density than the 4th. Q'uo says that dual activated people are also called indigo and crystal, and it seems to me that many of these indigo - crystals comes from higher than the 4th.

The veil is getting thinner with each generation born I think.

Higher knowledge will become more and more easily accessible and also most will have greater inate opening to the interconnection of us all through 4th density energies without having a dual activated body.

[GentleWanderer]

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[GentleWanderer]

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[GentleWanderer]

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[Infinite Unity]

well, if i have one what good is there me knowing it?

It might give you a little more sense or purpose or direction in why you incarnated here at this time.  While being able to use the reflection mechanic much better than a normal 3D individual should already be obvious to you if you are one, knowing this might help you develop better techniques for weeding out the things inside yourself you don't feel come from a loving place.  The first session I referenced from Q'uo talks about the advantages of being dual bodied at this time.

does that mean i've failed in my mission if i gained karma and acted unlovingly/selfishly?

NO!  Absolutely not!  Remember, these "returning graduates" incarnated into 3D bodies, and agree to the rules of the 3D game.  This includes forgetting that all is one, and possibly acting on an unloving or selfish instinct.  You're still in a 3D body, which is basically still an ape, and that battle to overcome the ape instincts exists for dual body entities as well.  You may forgive yourself, alleviate your karma, and continue on in service however you see fit.  I do not view primal 3D actions as a failure...3D is a tough game and you should be proud of yourself for becoming as aware as you are.  Most people won't even make it that far.

do dual bodied have more responsibility?

We only have as much responsibility as we give ourselves.  If you don't feel comfortable having more responsibility despite the fact you might be have a dual body, then you don't have to carry that responsibility with you.  However, as a dual body individual, you'd probably naturally feel an increased sense of responsibility after discovering your incarnative conditions.  Just like Wanderers, dual bodies made a choice to incarnate down in density.  These graduates could have waited for the 4D society on Earth to be fully functioning and conducive to 4D lessons, but instead decided to return to help Gaia and her inhabitants.  It's honorable and beautiful, and a brave and challenging choice; a choice made for a reason.

i'm confused. and why do they say indigos are dual bodied, aren't all wanderers indigos?

I think the idea of indigos is a broad concept that no one understands completely.  It seems more likely that children born in the past couple decades are much more likely to be dual body rather than Wanderers.  The Wanderers came to Earth in an attempt to increase harvest and bring about the change needed to have a more pleasant transition...this job is basically done.  4D is here, and 4D Earth is practically born (from the word of Q'uo).  This doesn't mean Wanderers should stop their service...there's much chaos and confusion in our new 4D Earth.  There are many to serve.

But dual body entities came to bust 3D concepts and change our society into a 4D society.  These are 4D graduates, not 6D Wanderers.  4D Earth does not need Wanderers.  4D Earth needs 4D individuals to build our 4D reality, and that's why we have dual bodies incarnating.  It's an exciting responsibility during an incredibly exciting time!

Were you saying that one cannot be both a wanderer and dual-activated?

This is the case.  Dual-activated are 4D entities who recently graduated 3D, Wanderers are established higher density entities incarnating down into strictly 3D bodies, not dual bodies.

While I do agree with this point of view. In my own opinion there are some dual activated wanderers in the mix up. I also believe they have agreed with an eccentric..pre-incarnational plan.