Session 31 - As a Gay Man, I think Ra's take on Homosexuality is idiotic

[Chandlersdad]

Ra was stating the ideal situation. But what I find is that a lot of humans don't want to go through the work to get there. Instead, they simply jump there by repressing their reactions that do not fit the Ra ideal. We are meant to acknowledge our reactions and then work with them.

Exactly! There's a bit of overlap between this and what I tried to convey in the meat thread.

It happens from the inside out, which is why I mentioned people acting righteous and pious. Inauthenticity is a dead end, there is no spiritual evolution in imitating say Jesus or Buddha... that's how we're taught from childhood...

P.S. I'm the Creator playing hide and seek with itself! (stole that from Alan Watts). Jesus by the way was the rebel of rebels! Buddha as well! Those "saintly" and "holier-than-thou" portrayals of them isn't helping anyone.

Would you say that lashing out at another self when angry is ok ?  Yes since all is ok, but for someone polarizing positively, there are more skillful choices.

We can work with our anger without repressing and without lashing out.  Not an easy skill I know.

All I am saying is that while we are acquiring this skill, not lashing out (and not replying angrily to posts), is going to polarize one positively since it would have been at the expanse of another self.

My life is so much better and easier since I have started applying this.  I am not repressing anger, I am choosing to work with it in other ways other than transferring some to others.

P.S.: Loved your post in the meat thread by the way.
 

Acknowledging an emotion does not require that it be externalized by lashing out at anyone. However, some of our greatest spiritual guides had episodes of anger, including Jesus driving the money changers out of the temple. We sure could use him today to flush out our banking system, since the government won't do anything. Can I be terribly blunt? RA may claim that no reaction is better than a negative reaction. That is peachy keeno. But I am not there yet. And I will not pretend to be there yet. But I do have the self-awareness to step back and detach from my reaction. I can witness it and choose not to express it. I can look at it the way a scientist looks at a new species of hedge hog. I've been through many spiritual practices in my life time. Some say there is a righteous anger. Others say anger is always wrong. Frankly, I would rather feel the anger and work with it internally. We even have quaint little social bromides for such occasions, e.g., "When you feel angry, count slowly to 10". That allows the necessary pause for a person to detach and observe the anger without acting it out.

[Patrick]

That was an interesting discussion. I will end my part in it by saying that we are not expected to succeed in this, what we expect of ourselves is to have the intent. The rest comes in time.

[YinYang]

That was an interesting discussion.  I will end my part in it by saying that we are not expected to succeed in this, what we expect of ourselves is to have the intent. The rest comes in time.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0301.aspx

The next time that you experience the catalyst of feeling that you are yet an incomplete spiritual being, remember the truth of subtracting, of dropping away that which is not. And as you experience those realizations that enable you to drop a part of the ego away, rejoice. You cannot make it happen. You cannot rush it. But there come moments and you perceive that you no longer have that pride or that particular fear. And of that you may be proud and happy, and if that is a distortion also, then so be it. For you are not here to go beyond distortion but to live within distortion by faith, to express within this confusion a trust in the plan that placed you here, a trust in the destiny that is absolutely yours. Do not give up upon the self because it continues to have distortions and confusions. That is all right. You are not supposed to be without illusion.

[rva_jeremy]

Ra may claim that no reaction is better than a negative reaction. That is peachy keeno.

I do not think Ra claims this at all, though. They suggest a way to deal with it other than reacting to it, but not in a way that says that reacting to it is "wrong". Other Confederation sources make it clear that not only is reacting sometimes the best way to learn, but that sometimes reacting in a less than ideal way is precisely the mirror otherselves might need at that moment.

It's well to consider really, really examining anytime one interprets Confederation philosophy in normative terms. Over and over again they emphasize the negative nature of the word "should".

But I do have the self-awareness to step back and detach from my reaction. I can witness it and choose not to express it. I can look at it the way a scientist looks at a new species of hedge hog. I've been through many spiritual practices in my life time. Some say there is a righteous anger. Others say anger is always wrong. Frankly, I would rather feel the anger and work with it internally. We even have quaint little social bromides for such occasions, e.g., "When you feel angry, count slowly to 10".  That allows the necessary pause for a person to detach and observe the anger without acting it out.

It's all about making use of these emotions, to my mind, not making some particular use. Sounds like you have a method of balancing, and that's great. You don't sound like you're beating yourself up too much about that, so you're doing better than me.

[Sacred Fool]

Just to throw another stone into the soup, in my view, a person gets more spiritual mileage from, not merely either experiencing or dodging or expressing emotional eruptions, but by also tracking the beast back to its lair, as it were, and opening up an energy exchange with it.  

Just to invent an example, I find myself welling up with anger.  I catch it early and let it spin its wheels on the periphery of my energy, rather than giving it front and center prominence by acting on it directly.  My response in the moment is informed by the anger, but not controlled by it.  Later on, I track the anger back to a deep feeling of defensiveness.  Behind that it is emotional hurt behind that is screaming pain.  Behind that is a congealed feeling of hopelessness and neglect.  

From there I sit with it, gently exchanging love for hopelessness.  Eventually I bring in other energies to help that "blockage" resolve and unravel and release.  And we all live happily ever after....for a little while, until I again find rage welling up from some other source.

[Minyatur]

I think that nicely said how anger is never the root of itself.

In theory you can probably always transmute your anger by making the conscious choice of seeking to see the root of it and the underlying love. Someone that is efficient at this could potentially move from feeling anger to feeling love for the reasons behind the anger in relation to both the other-self and also the self.

[4Dsunrise]

I don't know if this link has been posted in this thread. A person by the name of Terra also expressed similar cogent and compelling thoughts which she emailed to L/L Research.

https://antitheology.wordpress.com/about/#comments

I just wrote my take in that blog which is quite dormant but has some good material by Nick Thomas, who used to post here around 2011.

My blog post here:

Hello Nick, Terra and Gary (Bean). Better late than never to post a comment here. :-)

My take is that the population of 38.5 million 3D Venusians were an indigenous and culturally homogeneous peoples. A relatively simple society and the Ra group admit to being naive and inexperienced in many various complexities of polarity and I would speculate that they had little or no experience with sexual dynamics other than the straightforward male-female kind.

So if they are ignorant of other sexual dynamics they might probably have used information from an unreliable 3rd source to answer the Q's regarding homosexuality.

But that begs the question of how they can merge as a group complex starting in 4D. The male-male and female-female bonding may likely have been very sibling-like ie the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow theme. So there was deep emotional intimacy but perhaps without what they considered as sexual feelings.

In other words, deep intimate aura and energy transfer takes place but the ROY triad between male-male and female-female is, by the Ra group, not fully experienced sexually. Maybe when they reach late 6th density ie 6.6 or 6.7, they will be less closed-minded and open up to the full experience.

Either way I agree that they are rather ignorant and limited to understanding the complexities of 3D Terran life. They admit that they can not "plumb the depths" of the 3D Terran social complex.

[Minyatur]

While I get where the "rather ignorant" thought comes from, I think in this case they simply observe the energitical limitations of what they speak of which makes what they said an observation instead of a judgment.

They don't speak of ethics or what the Creator should or shouldn't do, they probably see any interaction between self and other-self as relationships of self with itself (creator to creator). So I really think they simply comment on the energitical aspect of what is happening from a higher observational point of view.

[Green_One]

I marvel at the bravery we souls seem to have in the Afterlife when we plan these lives of ours.  It can't only be that from the Afterlife's Eternity, a lifetime seems little more than a short dream.  No, I think we know how much pain a lifetime will inflict, but we come down here anyway.  By the billions.  Such courage!

Namaste, Manjushri, Namaste!

I thank you for your kind words at the end about our souls being brave coming to earth in the first place. I myself have experienced a homosexual experience since my preteen years on earth. Overtime I've learned to forgive others/accept myself as is without hesitation. Hasn't been easy but I'm still around kicking


Best Wishes to you!!!!

[Dekalb_Blues]

Since I'm a hetero man who's straight as an arrow, I guess I'll have to watch this vid, "Look Into Long Furby's 
Eyes for Three (3) Minutes To Become Gay" vid to viscerally understand the gay experience:


3+ Minutes Later: See, I didn't realize that this was created by a gay woman as a lesbianizing-mechanism.
But now I can't tell for sure that it didn't work, in a way -- because I find myself still digging chicks....


Although, come to think of it, there does seem to be a new... angle on things, somehow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ljchJv3PMs

Could it be I've turned into a... really deeply-closeted lesbian man?! Jesus, what if the wife finds out!?
Talk about The Love That Dares Not Speak Its Name!!!.... She'll break out the battle-axe for sure!:


...Hmm... If so, I guess I'd have to go after guys now -- to get straight again!  

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Later: After further inquiry into the matter, I now realize I should have watched this vid for three (3) minutes, 
instead, as various commenters contend authoritatively in their posts how amazing it is that "St. Vincent actually 
invented the gay":


3+ Minutes Later: Well, even that didn't work, damn it -- I'm still not gay (my attraction to Miss Clark
in despite of her own well-publicized intimate predeliction is still inconclusively ambiguous in its import!...
admittedly, this is getting pretty complex). So after all this effort, I remain essentially un-reinvented.

[WARNING! AS YOU PROBABLY EXPECTED, THE FOLLOWING PUNCHLINE INEVITABLY COMING UP:]

My new boyfriend, though, is gay as hell.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXILNncQ...e=youtu.be

Ha! -- just kidding. After more research, I have reason to believe that this will will finally do the trick:

Three (3) minutes later:
WHOAH! I'm... I'm feelin' it, now!! We're feelin' it!!! Hell, yeah -- time to GO BATSHIT-CRAZY WITH IT!!!
 Shakin' it like a Polaroid picture

Later: The 9000+ power-level of this unexpectedly drove the wife and I spiraling through the entire pansexual
spectrum full-circle right back to the particular point from where we started. Oh well! Sometimes it's the journey,
not the destination, that teaches one most.

Wait -- there is one more thing to try, although it's kind of drastic:
https://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news...-challenge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCeSoiNh0Z4 ( ಠ ͜ʖಠ)

[Nau7ik]

While I get where the "rather ignorant" thought comes from, I think in this case they simply observe the energitical limitations of what they speak of which makes what they said an observation instead of a judgment.

They don't speak of ethics or what the Creator should or shouldn't do, they probably see any interaction between self and other-self as relationships of self with itself (creator to creator). So I really think they simply comment on the energitical aspect of what is happening from a higher observational point of view.

Yes exactly. There is no judgment in Ra’s words. They are merely stating the metaphysics and conditions in which homosexuality may manifest.

Love is Love and Ra understands that. They noted that homosexual partners may experience green ray energy transfer. I am curious if other energy transfers are available as well? For example when one man takes on the passive role. I’d imagine so but not sure. I have personally felt energized and joyful when I was “in union” with certain people.