Lessons only have to do with other-selves, not events?

[Major3rd]

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[url=http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=50]50.4 Questioner: Could you give an example of how an entity sets up a condition for attracting a particular experiential catalyst and how that catalyst then is provided or is learned.

Ra: I am Ra. Such an example may be given.
50.5 Questioner: Will you give that?
Ra: I am Ra. We paused to scan this instrument’s consciousness for permission to use its experiential catalyst as example. We may proceed.

This is one instance and extrapolation may be made to other entities which are aware of the process of evolution. This entity chose, before incarnation, the means whereby catalyst had great probability of being obtained. This entity desired the process of expressing love and light without expecting any return. This instrument programmed also to endeavor to accomplish spiritual work and to comfort itself with companionship in the doing of this work.

Agreements were made prior to incarnation; the first, with the so-called parents and siblings of this entity. This provided the experiential catalyst for the situation of offering radiance of being without expectation of return. The second program involved agreements with several entities. These agreements provided and will provide, in your time/space and space/time continuum, opportunities for the experiential catalyst of work and comradeship.

There are events which were part of a program for this entity only in that they were possibility/probability vortices having to do with your societal culture. These events include the nature of the living or standard of living, the type of relationships entered into in your legal framework, and the social climate during the incarnation. The incarnation was understood to be one which would take place at harvest.

These givens, shall we say, apply to millions of your peoples, those aware of evolution and desirous in the very extreme of attaining the heart of love and the radiance which gives understanding. No matter what the lessons programmed, they have to do with other-selves, not with events. They have to do with giving, not receiving, for the lessons of love are of this nature both for positive and negative. Those negatively harvestable will be found at this time endeavoring to share their love of self.

There are those whose lessons are more random due to their present inability to comprehend the nature and mechanism of the evolution of mind, body, and spirit. Of these we may say that the process is guarded by those who never cease their watchful expectation of being of service. There is no entity without help, either through self-awareness of the unity of creation or through guardians of the self which protect the less sophisticated mind/body/spirit from any permanent separation from unity while the lessons of your density continue.

I have begun reading the Ra material from where I stopped last time and this caught my attention. Seems like Ra is saying that our pre-planned lessons only have to do with other-selves? Should I take it that if something good or bad happens to me, lets say economically or I have an accident, caused by myself these could not be pre-planned lessons?

[ricdaw]

I have begun reading the Ra material from where I stopped last time and this caught my attention. Seems like Ra is saying that our pre-planned lessons only have to do with other-selves? Should I take it that if something good or bad happens to me, lets say economically or I have an accident, caused by myself these could not be pre-planned lessons?

I might suggest that events are a means to an end.  So, using your example, having an accident might make you in need of an "otherself" to come to full healing.  There is a lesson in being vulnerable there.  And a lesson in trust.  

So while the true lesson would come from the interaction with the otherself, yet, still, it would be the accident that made that lesson possible.  

I think that what Ra might be saying is that we don't reincarnate down here to experience events per se.  What is it like to win the lottery?  What is it like to be famous?  We don't get to dabble this way.

But we can pre-incarnatively choose to win the lottery, or to be famous, because these events/circumstances are the right ones to lead to the kind of interactions with otherselves that will be beneficial in our mind/body/spirit development.

[APeacefulWarrior]

As I see things...

The 3D 'physical' world is INCREDIBLY chaotic, and emerges as it is from a bewilderingly huge number of semi-random underlying elements and activities which all contribute to creating and maintaining the illusions around us. And it's made even more complicated thanks to the existence of what we'd call quantum forces that create a near-infinity of possible outcomes for any action, all of which co-exist simultaneously.

Or as Ra put it (16.53): You may consider any possibility/probability complex as having an existence.

Planned lessons do not involve actions and events because actions and events in third density CANNOT be planned for in any detail, no more than someone walking into a casino can truly plan for certain numbers coming up on a roulette wheel. The things Ra lists -relationships and larger societal situations- are basically the limit to what a pre-incarnative entity can reliably set up in advance. Otherwise, they can attempt to slightly tilt the odds in favor of particular events occurring... but with no actual certainty that they will occur, nor any way of guaranteeing that their incarnated form -with its own free will- will react to them in the desired way. And as I gather it, the more specific the desire, the harder it is to deliberately make it happen.

Then the entity jumps into the malestrom while merely hoping things go somewhat to plan.

[Jade]

I think this is a really interesting topic, thank you!! I agree with what has been said but want to add my own speculation. I believe that "events" have to do with the mind, and that "other selves" correlate with the body. We can spend all day imagining events and scenarios occurring in our mind, but it isn't until they actually unfold with others-selves being involved (so that we can see their reactions) can we truly begin to "understand" this illusion that we are in, through our heavy veiling. This is the integration of the mind/body/spirit.

Another way of looking at it, and the wheel of karma, is that we often have repeating motifs/events in our lives that we deal with. Often a victim will move from one abuser to the next, recreating exactly the same scenario but with another person. It's healing the interrelationships between humans that is our real goal. We all think we desire certain events but the "events" that truly satisfy us are connecting with others.

[kycahi]

I spent a lot of effort going through the LOO material highlighting passages regarding whatever concept I needed to clarify for myself. You might not believe this, but the following is in the LOO and I'm pretty confident that I have it right.

Ra uses the terms space/time and time/space but they didn't spend much effort on the differences. Here goes: space/time is what we are experiencing right here and now. We have a lot of freedom to choose what to think and what to do. All of those choices, one after the other, result in the events of our lives. Our unmanifested self (look it up) has a little influence here and there, and the more we meditate the more we can rely on that influence. It's very helpful.

Here's why it is helpful: when we make the transition from these space/time lives, we go into time/space. In time/space we have virtually no freedom at all. That's when and where we relive our space/time lives in supreme detail, picking up clues that help us live our next lives better. The only freedom in time/space is deciding which bits of previous lives to re-experience. So we build up wisdom in our time/space unmanifested selves. Some of that wisdom stays with us for our next space/time journey, and more of it can come though during meditation.

I would type more, but lunch is ready.

[anagogy]

With all due respect, we have WAY more freedom in time/space than we do in space/time. Just my opinion, based on research and personal experiences. The freedom will blow your mind. Seriously.

[AnthroHeart]

I look forward in time/space to meeting those who vibrate in resonance with me. It doesn't matter to me about family much, but more who is like me vibrationally.

I agree with you anagogy.

[sjel]

In time/space we have virtually no freedom at all.

I think what Ra said was that entities in time/space have all the freedom they want, and can see for metaphysical miles - but that's why we can't do any "work" in time/space, we have the answers easily available to us. Our vibratory levels wouldn't change because we already can see the answer. Time/space also is where all the intensive incarnative planning takes place

[upensmoke]

you can't have an event without other people or yourself. All events deal with STO or STS.

the lesson learns will teach you how to better yourself, or better your understanding of other selfs

[kycahi]

Here is my correction. In time/space we have the freedom to associate with anybody we dealt with in space/time, including those we had serious, even murderous disagreements with. That's because the illusions brought about by the first distortion of the LOO do not apply, and we all get along.

Because the first distortion is gone, we make no decision that will contribute to our cumulative experiences. They only accrue from space/time.

We do make effort examining our experiences to help us progress, i.e. improve potential decisions in space/time.

We eventually feel compelled, no matter how friendly time/space is, to jump into a new space/time life in order to accumulate more experience and thus progress to the next level.

Remember that meditation improves this space/time existence, and if you think you can't meditate, know that trying to meditate counts as meditation. Keep trying and you will stop doubting the benefits as you better get the hang of it. I was a real doubter for a long while, then one day I just got it.

[Infinite Unity]

Events are extensions/reflections of Us.