some Crown Chakra Thoughts,

[Plenum]

so, I've been venturing into the crown chakra space just recently.  It's an area that I had some strong activations in a few years ago; but I haven't consciously addressed in recent times (until now).

So just a few random thoughts:

* the crown chakra is able to be 'read'.  But it is not amenable to balancing in the same way that the first 6 chakras are.  That's because of it's primary function.  It is intended to be a 'warehouse' of the totality of the Self.  So it's not 'balanced', and can't really be balanced, because that's not it's function.

* the basic core concept, as I currently perceive it, is that it deals with the domain of "Undelimited Exploration".  That is, the violet ray holds the space in which we can choose to explore some concept, but choosing to manifest it in a certain degree.  The actual 'space' in which the exploration takes place is inherently 'unbounded'; but in choosing an incarnate exploration of that concept, parameters are placed on it.  A typical life might encode the exploration of 2 or 3 of these types of 'concepts'.

* it's vast.  When I say 'Undelimited Exploration', I truly mean that.  The violet ray is like the Soul Doctor, who wants to explore some concept, and then it puts out a tendril in space/time, as a physical life.  If one 'screws up' in that life, and is not addressing the concept desired, it will just spawn another tendril elsewhere, and explore it that way.  The violet ray beingness is this unimaginably extended Force, of which we are just one temporary Elaboration.

* initiations are activations of some sort, in this violet ray context.  It's like the 'GO sign' is displayed for a bridge, and then consciousness can cross into a new space of exploration.

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psychics are tapping into the violet ray field, and reading off output of past lives.  But they can only transfer the meaning and intent into their own frame of reference, hence the distortive effects.  It's a kind of channeling; and like all channeling, the clearer the individual, the less distortion they will color the output with.  The true 'meaning' of certain patterns can be misinterpreted and misunderstood, because the psychic has not comprehended what that symbolism means in that context.  It would be like showing a novice the World Card (card 21) and asking them what they see.  Without the context of the Major Arcana, their understandings can only go so far (lack of experience, framework).  So psychics can be quite sincere, but also clueless, because lack of concerted, directed mental frameworks.  This is intuition without articulated structuring.

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The Crown Chakra is also the best resource to use for Balancing, because it can find the ideal 'match' to any unresolved pattern.  It's like you put in a 'query', and then it finds the most appropriate match, out of all possible experience.  

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I can't 'encompass' violet ray; it encompasses me.  It's like me walking on the surface of Jupiter; I'm just there as a temporary presence; Jupiter was, and will be.  I'm just an 'aspect' of the moment, in the context of violet ray.

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All your lives and your soul's repository  are contained in the violet ray field.  It's like your own personal Akashic Records: perfectly accurate, and a registration of all substantial and empowered 'contracts'.  Contracts are just those things that you have assented to, and become the baseline for the spawning of new exploratory experience.  

The violet ray also has this incredible 'pulsation' to it; like a living and vibrating jello.  It's 'alive'.  It's also the place of 'pure consciousness' and 'pure awareness'.

The 'conjugate space' is the space which corresponds to some exploratory pattern in the violet ray field.  And likewise - all symbolism in the 6 rays has some form of 'conjugate' representation in violet ray.  This may be hard to grasp, but it's like everything is taking place within the violet ray construct.  By that, I don't mean the physical presences and actual incarnation.  But I mean the things that matter: the movements and articulations between conceptual structures.  The symbolism basically.  There's like a 'mirroring', which is what I mean by 'conjugate'.

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Violet Ray is not 'accessed' or invoked as such.  It's hard to describe how one gets to that 'space'.  It's more like the 'essence of beingness' of a person is ready to be simultaneously experienced.

One basically realises both the importance of a single life (being dedicated to a deliberate exploration of 2-3 concepts), and also the relative unimportance of a single life - as there are also multiple other simultaneous spawnings of the Soul that we can't directly perceive normally, but are the Soul doing it's thing, by being incarnate.  The reason for incarnation is that these 'concepts' can only be explored within finity and limitation.  Which definitely relates to a recent comment that Scott Mandelker made in one of his talks: that finity only has relevance in the context of infinity.

So who is the person in incarnation?  You may think it's the 'real you', but it's just a temporary instancing of the greater self.  The greater self is neither male or female (hard to conceive, when one so self-identifies with the gender of the incarnate body, whether male or female, and that we are constantly bathed in the hormones relative to that body to create normal sexual attraction to the opposite sex; other choices notwithstanding, and totally valid in the context of sexual desire), and it's of no particular genetic race, or age, or historic age.  Like I said, we so self-identify with this life, that it's hard to 'conceive' of the self without the current parameters.  The closest we normally get to it is in dreams, when we 'forget' the current boundary conditions for that chosen life.

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so feel free to share your own Crown Chakra thoughts

[AnthroHeart]

The surface of Jupiter frightens me. I've had dreams where I'm near Jupiter and it's scary. Not to mention the radiation would kill us if we were near it.

And it's a gas giant so there's no real surface. I have fear of falling into it.

[Minyatur]

The surface of Jupiter frightens me. I've had dreams where I'm near Jupiter and it's scary. Not to mention the radiation would kill us if we were near it.

And it's a gas giant so there's no real surface. I have fear of falling into it.

Seems like a fun place to me.

I gaze at it and Saturn on most days since they started being visible. I always say in my mind "I greet Jupiter" when seeing it.

[Patrick]

Isn't Violet Ray also used to affect an entity?  Entering through there and affecting other chakras?

So in this sense it would come with read/write access by default.
 

[Minyatur]

Is seeking alignment with the Crown the most worthwhile kind of work one can do?

Or is experiencing what is unlike the Crown what yields most fruits?

[anagogy]

The spectrum of vibrations between red ray and violet ray is also a spectrum of uncertainty to absolute certainty.

Violet ray is one step beyond faith.

In faith, you absolutely BELIEVE, but in violet ray you KNOW, hence why Ra stated that the while both the indigo ray and violet ray equal openings to intelligent energy, in the indigo ray the veil is *still* intact, because believing, while very precious and powerful, is still not of the same degree of intensity as *knowingness*. In violet ray, you know you are the creator, hands down, no ifs ands or buts.

Perhaps this is why it is the 'body of completion'.

[Plenum]

Isn't Violet Ray also used to affect an entity?  Entering through there and affecting other chakras?

I think the Ra quote was contrasting the 2 Points of entry into the energetic field.  One was from the feet up (red ray), which is the pure, undifferentiated Creator, and the other was from the Crown down; which is how individuated consciousnesses can try to interact.

[Plenum]

Is seeking alignment with the Crown the most worthwhile kind of work one can do?

I'm not sure one can be in alignment (or for that matter, out of alignment).  That's not the role of the Crown center.

Or is experiencing what is unlike the Crown what yields most fruits?

again, my understanding of the Crown center is that it's a repository or a source.  It represents the 'greater self'; which is still in motion, unlike the Higher Self, which is somewhat static and perfected.

[Plenum]

The spectrum of vibrations between red ray and violet ray is also a spectrum of uncertainty to absolute certainty.

Violet ray is one step beyond faith.

do you have any personal experiences with violet ray, anagogy?

[Manjushri]

The spectrum of vibrations between red ray and violet ray is also a spectrum of uncertainty to absolute certainty.

Violet ray is one step beyond faith.

In faith, you absolutely BELIEVE, but in violet ray you KNOW, hence why Ra stated that the while both the indigo ray and violet ray equal openings to intelligent energy, in the indigo ray the veil is *still* intact, because believing, while very precious and powerful, is still not of the same degree of intensity as *knowingness*. In violet ray, you know you are the creator, hands down, no ifs ands or buts.

Perhaps this is why it is the 'body of completion'.

Crown chakra openings and activations have occurred almost daily for me since I started working on them, and in my experience the knowingness anagogy speaks of here is absolutely accurate. In order for me to feel that very distinct whole body tingle orgasm from above, this knowingness is always confirmed just prior in my mind.

[Minyatur]

Is seeking alignment with the Crown the most worthwhile kind of work one can do?

I'm not sure one can be in alignment (or for that matter, out of alignment).  That's not the role of the Crown center.

Or is experiencing what is unlike the Crown what yields most fruits?

again, my understanding of the Crown center is that it's a repository or a source.  It represents the 'greater self'; which is still in motion, unlike the Higher Self, which is somewhat static and perfected.

I speak of aligment with the greater self, which awakening seems to do a lot toward. Whereas incarnating within a veil seems at least partially aimed to seek to experience what is unlike the greater self, as a mean to add to it and diversify it's bank of experiences.

So what I wonder is if it is more useful to retain your veil, or more useful to work it off and align with the essence of yourself which is channeled within your body. I see this as aligning with the reading function of the Crown and becoming a clearer channel unto the greater self of which we are an instance of.

[Plenum]

I speak of aligment with the greater self, which awakening seems to do a lot toward. Whereas incarnating within a veil seems at least partially aimed to seek to experience what is unlike the greater self, as a mean to add to it and diversify it's bank of experiences.

ahh ok.  Yes, I think within the context of third density (and the Veil), it creates the inherent possibility of the two so-called paths.  However, I don't think that was the main motivating factor.  The main drive of putting in the Veil (and choosing to experience that) was to create and intensify the Will aspect.  By becoming so 'weak' and 'disconnected' from the rest of Creation, one can then make the decision that there has to be a better way.  And because one can't do it alone (because of the 3d vehicle parameters, weakened), one has to develop a relationship to other selves.  And that then becomes 'co-operative' (we have some form of 'fair' sharing of our efforts), or it becomes a pyramid scheme (where the person at the top is siphoning an undue amount of resources, in terms of money, ease of life, sexual partners etc).  So the two paths are a consequence of the Veil; but inherent in both paths is the strengthening and the intensifying of the Will towards becoming greater.  Before the Veil, from what Ra says, people just sat around, and if something was slightly 'uncomfortable', they would just tap the deep mind, and be able to invent some incredible device that would solve the physical problem.  And then they would go back to just sitting around again, not really interacting with each other much, but also not disliking each other much.  Other people were just 'there', just like trees are 'there'.

After the Veil, we have to develop some concerted approach to how we interface with others; because it's just not possible to invent stuff (and have the physical resources) to take that approach post-Veil.  We don't have the clear and unfettered access to the deep Mind, which can fix things in an instant.  We get stuck in an economic system with others, where money is the currency, and we have to have some interface with our society/other-people.

So to answer your question, I think it does provide unforseen scenarios (the Veil that is).  And I also believe that the 'Greater Self' can develop strong biases one way or the other (positive or negative).  That is different from the Higher Self, which is entirely positive, because it is serving as a combined mother/father role to the Greater Self.

So what I wonder is if it is more useful to retain your veil, or more useful to work it off and align with the essence of yourself which is channeled within your body. I see this as aligning with the reading function of the Crown and becoming a clearer channel unto the greater self of which we are an instance of.

I think the Crown chakra work/activations allow you to become more of who you are.  One can become extremely negative, if that is in full alignment with one's deeper nature.

For a negative (6d) Wanderer, they would very much want to channel the accumulated essence of their biases from thousands of lifetimes of that particular path.  And likewise for a positive (Wanderer).

As I said above, I think the aspect of 'increasing the desire to know' is the main function of the Veil.  The two paths being a side effect of that desire.

Negative entities are in no way stupid.  They can see the 'landscape' of the Creator and the Creation.  They just think that the positive path allows too much 'weakness' to be retained within the self; and that there always has to be a best (ie superior) answer; and all other answers have to be invalidated.  Positives can see the 'diversity' in Creation, and recognise it is all entirely valid, and it's all just possible spin-offs from the one self.

[Minyatur]

ahh ok.  Yes, I think within the context of third density (and the Veil), it creates the inherent possibility of the two so-called paths.  However, I don't think that was the main motivating factor.  The main drive of putting in the Veil (and choosing to experience that) was to create and intensify the Will aspect.  By becoming so 'weak' and 'disconnected' from the rest of Creation, one can then make the decision that there has to be a better way.  And because one can't do it alone (because of the 3d vehicle parameters, weakened), one has to develop a relationship to other selves.  And that then becomes 'co-operative' (we have some form of 'fair' sharing of our efforts), or it becomes a pyramid scheme (where the person at the top is siphoning an undue amount of resources, in terms of money, ease of life, sexual partners etc).  So the two paths are a consequence of the Veil; but inherent in both paths is the strengthening and the intensifying of the Will towards becoming greater.  Before the Veil, from what Ra says, people just sat around, and if something was slightly 'uncomfortable', they would just tap the deep mind, and be able to invent some incredible device that would solve the physical problem.  And then they would go back to just sitting around again, not really interacting with each other much, but also not disliking each other much.  Other people were just 'there', just like trees are 'there'.

After the Veil, we have to develop some concerted approach to how we interface with others; because it's just not possible to invent stuff (and have the physical resources) to take that approach post-Veil.  We don't have the clear and unfettered access to the deep Mind, which can fix things in an instant.  We get stuck in an economic system with others, where money is the currency, and we have to have some interface with our society/other-people.

Interestingly enough, the veil is designed to be able to be pierced through Will. So much like you said, it does seem designed to devellop Will even if one seeks to unveil itself.

So to answer your question, I think it does provide unforseen scenarios (the Veil that is).  And I also believe that the 'Greater Self' can develop strong biases one way or the other (positive or negative).  That is different from the Higher Self, which is entirely positive, because it is serving as a combined mother/father role to the Greater Self.

Then I wonder if the closer the greater self is to the Higher Self, the less unpredictable the use of a veil becomes as the greater self contains a bigger variety of experiences of itself which already is distilled closer to Unity.

Also if one has experience of both polarities, then this probably makes it much easier to foresee how self will respond to catalysts of various natures, or at least narrow down the streams of possibilities.

I think the Crown chakra work/activations allow you to become more of who you are.  One can become extremely negative, if that is in full alignment with one's deeper nature.

For a negative (6d) Wanderer, they would very much want to channel the accumulated essence of their biases from thousands of lifetimes of that particular path.  And likewise for a positive (Wanderer).

It does seem like the unique tune or color their experience within many-ness was meant to give birth to.

As I said above, I think the aspect of 'increasing the desire to know' is the main function of the Veil.  The two paths being a side effect of that desire.

Negative entities are in no way stupid.  They can see the 'landscape' of the Creator and the Creation.  They just think that the positive path allows too much 'weakness' to be retained within the self; and that there always has to be a best (ie superior) answer; and all other answers have to be invalidated.  Positives can see the 'diversity' in Creation, and recognise it is all entirely valid, and it's all just possible spin-offs from the one self.

Does the positive entity feels this or rather seeks to feel this?

I'd think the awareness of it is common ground although the positive entity would have a greater desire to reconcile the experiences of others whereas the negative one is more likely to avoid this work it knows to he inevitable. Which pretty much goes along what you said, except whether if this is inherently known and felt or requires work for what is known to become felt.


Quite an interesting thread you made!

[Plenum]

As I said above, I think the aspect of 'increasing the desire to know' is the main function of the Veil.  The two paths being a side effect of that desire.

Negative entities are in no way stupid.  They can see the 'landscape' of the Creator and the Creation.  They just think that the positive path allows too much 'weakness' to be retained within the self; and that there always has to be a best (ie superior) answer; and all other answers have to be invalidated.  Positives can see the 'diversity' in Creation, and recognise it is all entirely valid, and it's all just possible spin-offs from the one self.

Does the positive entity feels this or rather seeks to feel this?

I'd think the awareness of it is common ground although the positive entity would have a greater desire to reconcile the experiences of others whereas the negative one is more likely to avoid this work it knows to he inevitable. Which pretty much goes along what you said, except whether if this is inherently known and felt or requires work for what is known to become felt.

I would say that there are 'gradations' of this knowing/feeling.  4d positives are still 'projecting' to some degree, and hence they still see the 'negative interpretation' as something that needs to be countered, rather than just something that will fall away on it's own.  Part of this is the physical vehicle itself, which in 4d is still solid, and is subject to injuries/damage/death from other selves.  And so of course, one has a desire to intervene; whether it be for oneself or for another self, when there is the threat of an attack.  But it's the appropriate physical vehicle to enscapsulate the lessons of that level of knowing/feeling.

If one adopts the inner attitude, and commits to seeing the 'other' (all 'others') as the self, then the harvest will bring you up to 5d, where light bodies are not subject to such loss and deterioration.  And so there is no 'fight' even possible at that stage, because the self is just exploring all possible natures of itself, because it has come to that level of 'awareness'.  And so we are always gifted or granted the appropriate means that is consonant with our comprehension of Creation.  The big spanner in the works being that of Wanderers, and choosing to go back to a former physical vehicle, that is in many ways, dissonant with their level of consciousness.  And thus their 'understandings' are somewhat incompatible with the environment in which they find themselves; because deep down, they are not vibrating with the sense of loss and limitation that are the boundary points of a 3d life.

But to answer your Question, the seeking creates the opportunity for the feeling (or the experiencing).  The whole 'process' of growth and development is based on where are 'minds' are pointed to.

In terms of specifics, I would say it's the latter part of your Question.  That it does take some 'work' to experience it 'properly'.  That's the role of Teachers.  The Teacher describes something that is 'possible' but not yet experienced by the so-called Student; and then the student has enough 'trust' to accept that what is being described is actually possible, and then makes their own attempts so that they can experience it for themselves.  A very simple example would be astral travelling.  Some people have been doing this from a young age, and are well experienced.  They then understand enough of the process to start talking about it, or doing interviews, or write a book; and then people who haven't had this for themselves, take it on face value, and then want to experience it themselves.  So 4d teaches 3d, and 5d teaches 4d, and so on.  We're in the situation where we have an apparently 6d teacher offering information about states to a 3d student (the channeling group).  

Quite an interesting thread you made!

ah thanks!  Just relating my tentative conclusions about the Crown Chakra.  I'm sure a lot of it is a combination of previous things that I've come across before in writings, but it seemed to all 'coalesce' into the phenomena of the violet ray, and what it's all about.

[anagogy]

do you have any personal experiences with violet ray, anagogy?

I think that most spiritual seekers experience a degree of violet ray activity during their lives, and by that I mean "conscious activity" as the various rays, and/or subtle bodies, are playing a role in every single one of our experiences whether we are conscious of it or not. I would say in most cases this is not going to be a fully conscious violet ray experience which I would consider to be something of a 'cosmic consciousness' or 'oneness' type experience, but I think that anytime we have a situation that compels us to take a really deep survey of the totality of our life experience, we begin to experience the first glimmerings of conscious violet ray awareness. It is an awareness, or perhaps a feeling of deep knowingness, within ourselves that we are spiritual extensions of the creator. Of course, this knowingness can fade with yet still further life experience and be brushed aside later as a stray delusional thought, but I think these moments of momentary fleeting awareness of the flawless interrelated totality of experience and the feeling of certainty of the ultimately coordinated synchronicity of all things represent the moments of clarity in our lives that give us the inspiration and motivation to continue on with our incarnations.

So really, my experience of violet ray is mostly fleeting, as it is with others, but I have had some amount of cherished serene experiences of hiking up on a mountain peek, and overlooking the majestic view in front of me and being overcome with an overwhelming awareness of the totality of my own experience as a perfect extension of creator. I would tend to think of that as a violet ray type experience, though much of this also simply falls within the purview of indigo ray awareness as well. I think they are actually rather similar, but violet ray is simply 'broader' and more pervasive.