the amish dont get autism: VACCINES

[Joseph326]

Loving greetings, Cosmoethicism!

I thank you humbly for your kind words. I have the simple hope of being of service in some way to one who would find something useful in my offerings. I realize that this is not the Strictly Law of One forum, so I hope no one takes my words as anything more than an opportunity to view the subject matter from a different angle. Every thought, no matter how seemingly trivial, is still an important part of the One Infinite Creator.

I will attempt to address your question. If one does not know that there is a choice they can make, is there really a choice? Once the proverbial 'fruit' is eaten, however, and there is known to be another option, even staying the same road is a conscious choice.

Regardless of the actual effect a vaccine will have on a particular person, whether that is positive or negative, and also of which path the individual chooses, I would suggest that what really matters is the reason WHY they made that particular choice. Does the parent vaccinate/not vaccinate their child out of loving concern for their wellbeing? Or do they take the path of least resistance, knowing that the other option exists? Would this be a form of self-service, putting one's own convenience foremost in the decision making process? Does one obtain a flu shot because they love their body and want to do what is best for it, or do they have no trust or faith in it to do what it was designed to?

There is one final question I would present for your voluntary consideration: Is submission to the enslaving ways of our beloved brothers and sisters not a choice as well? One can always make a stand for their beliefs; the only thing that stands in the way is their own fear of the consequence.

(P.S. Many states have vaccine exemption forms for school children, and there are doctors who will not push them as well)

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I must apologize for not refreshing this thread before I posted. I did not intend to leave you out, Aaron. I would like to greet you as well and I am thankful for being able to share perspective with you on this subject

[Ali Quadir]

Hey cosmoethicism.

I'm not quite sure which part of your message was for me and which was for joseph. So I don't respond to that as much as I should or too much already even.. Not sure

I wanted to say I understand your position about the young humans being born into an environment where they as autonomous beings have no choices...

I understand that this is difficult. And the way these youngsters respond shows that to some this is very hard. But it is the way our reality indoctrination works. For good or for bad.. A kid that isn't indoctrinated won't be able to function in our society. I see this as taking someone by the hand and drawing them into our reality. Not because we are evil predators but because we are related to them we took the responsibility of doing this even if it is harsh sometimes. In a way this includes indoctrination against disease = vaccination...

"Young one, this is that disease, you know it now, you can now avoid getting it."

[cosmoethicism]

Hi Aaron. What can I say, you caught me red handed and blew my rhetorical semantic cover. All in good fun while learning. Now That you know my literary poisonous style, you may want to wear protection gear.

[cosmoethicism]

Hi Al Quadir. I thank you and agree that our kids are "indoctrinated" by a system with the wrong premises because these new incarnating souls are much more advanced in the understanding of the Creator´s ways via the oscillating pendulum precepts of the polarities that underpin all creations.

They do know, pre-incarnationally as we did, that their knowledge will have Veils to it, that these Veils will have to be dissolve before going to work at achieving the task chosen for this lifetime
The only things they bring with them is playfulness, innocence and spontaneity which are not veiled.
Those gifts are assassinated in the early years by the tampering with them by everyone involved with those children; particularly at fault in this homicide are:

1.-The parents who forget that the only constant in the Creation is CHANGE, and proceed to poison they kids with the same teachings and traditions of old, under which they grew. They are enfolded by the distortions of the illusion and do not bother to seek, being content in their nest with this or that God and the polluted surrounding milieu of misinformation, deception and searching outside themselves for answers, while the answer lies within their Sovereign Consciousness and their Heart.

2.-The groups where the individuals belong (take to the sociological level you wish), from a simple Amazon Tribe to the most complex societal group or Nation. This groups are at each others throat pushing their tenets into other groups by whatever mean is fit to their proclivities.

3.-Societal Structures that are rigid and only care for their survival, forgetting that they were created with a Vision and Goal, and ax or grind anybody that opposes their aims. Here you can put antiquated Educational Systems that refuse to acknowledge that there are better systems; religious fanatics that armed with sword, pen or tongue try to prevail over the others; "Sciences in their soiled form today where the "new discoveries" end up in a supermarket after some months of Media coverage.
I could go on, but you get my drift.

The peculiar thing is that there are alternatives out there, in the open, available to anyone. In Education you have the Steiners´s Systems, Montessori and some others. Do not forget that you can always teach your kids at home. Only this measure will abolish the Dark Brothers permeation of all human systems prevalent today by about 50% or more.

Do you know that you can save 20-50% in fuel and diminish pollution with a 500.00 (Five Hundred) dollars modification to your car?. Oh, you new that right. Do you have it installed? If you do congratulations!. Dark Brothers down by 3-5%.

Do you know that your body can be optimized to hear and follow the only precept of The Law of One: CENTRIFUGAL LOVE? How?????.
Turn into a vegetarian and or grow your own food, or buy in the farmers market in your zip code. Please do not give me the Essential Amino acids Lecture; it is a fallacy, after 6 months you will be producing them in your liver. Dark Brother´s distortions down 15%.

Work less and BE more. We are raise in this system dominated by the Beloved Dark Brothers tacit dictum: DO in order to HAVE and then you can BE. These precepts are backwards.
We shall just BE and exist enfolded by The Law of One; The DOING AND HAVING are provided by a plentiful Creation where scarcity is no more than a deception planted in our Mophogenetic Field by our Dark Brothers. Doing this knocks off our dark brothers another points.

Do you know of our Interterra Brothers? We have more advance civilizations beneath our feet and most of us ignore that fact. How can we achieve Oneness if we ignore them and do not bring them into the pot?

The Indoctrination can be diminish, halted, rewired with the above measures taking us to greener pastures and out of this desolated desert of despair. It is within our reach to do so.

The only problem is that STAGNATION is very comfortable.
Blessings. I treasure your postings.

[@ndy]

Hey cosmoethicism.

"Young one, this is that disease, you know it now, you can now avoid getting it."

I’ve given my personal reasons for choosing not to vaccinate but that statement makes me shudder.
As parent we have to 'control' free will of our children enough as is but violating there born with systems? Is that not 1 step too far?

We at least have to obtain ‘informed’ consent in the UK before a vaccine can be given.

Why not trust the bodies there born with to deal with what life throws at them? When we introduce them to other children we introduce the catalyst for illness.

We’ve evolved with immune systems that cope with illness. Is it not a violation to bypass that evolved system by injecting substances directly into a Childs system?


Incidentally did anyone see that presentation with Bill Gates?

http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=A155D1...536575C723

"The world today has 6.8 billion people... that's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."

Vaccines as a method for population control ---- intreasting.

[Ali Quadir]

Yeah, I saw the Gates presentation. Better health care, lower population growth. This is a societal fact. Just check the statistics, like right now. He did. Before we accuse a man of being negative elite intent on killing off the population we should at least gather the facts should we not? Otherwise would only be abusing people for our own personal agenda... I don't like Microsoft. And I'm on Linux for that reason. But since Gates retired he has made a difference to many people in this world. Usually the poorest. I've been very critical of him but he's demonstrating being one of the good guys. He's intent on spending at least half his money before he dies on good causes and real differences for humanity. And he's encouraging the richest of the world to do the same. He's working from the misunderstanding that the earth changes are our own doing. But he doesn't intend to actually kill people to reduce the population. Last year he made malaria a goal. This year it's energy. To save lives in the long run.

Furthermore: giving a child's immune system a deactivated virus will not make him sick. It will teach the immune system to counter the real virus when it comes along. Acting as if that is evil is weird considering the real thing CAN kill the child. And will kill many many children. If you want to make an issue of this, take the kid out of child care. Because contact with other kids will introduce it to many many more viruses, and the kid will actually get sick from that... Frequently. Put your child in a plastic sterile bubble... Knowing that the kid will be miserable and the first puncture will potentially kill the child.

The child came to earth. The child NEEDS indoctrination, it depends on you for this. Because without it, it will not know how to speak, it will not even know how to think. Amazing as it might seem, speech and thought are directly related. Without your help, it will not learn to walk, it will not learn to deal with people. This is indoctrination... Considering this bad or evil is, in my view ignorant. As a psychologist, I can assure you that your indoctrination and education that you give your child will be it's most valuable asset during the rest of it's life... It is a gift of freedom, not enslavement. If your kid doesn't like water, you'll hopefully still teach it to swim. Gently both to teach it to face fears and give it a fighting chance when it eventually does end up in the water.

Without indoctrination it will be a mere shadow of the person it could be. This is empowerment and NOT a bad thing!

I'm sorry you feel this way. I encourage everyone to check the facts and their history for themselves it'll only cost a few hours of your life and they are more sound than anything.

[Monica]

But I am too new in this blog to be making such strong and alienating statements...I am still learning my ways here. My apologies.

Hi Cosmo! Welcome to Bring4th!

No need to apologize! Strong statements are perfectly fine and not alienating, when offered as politely and graciously as you have done!

The subject of vaccinations is very volatile and it's easy to have strong views on it.

[@ndy]

Yeah, I saw the Gates presentation. Better health care, lower population growth. This is a societal fact. Just check the statistics, like right now. He did. Before we accuse a man of being negative elite intent on killing off the population we should at least gather the facts should we not? Otherwise would only be abusing people for our own personal agenda... I don't like Microsoft. And I'm on Linux for that reason. But since Gates retired he has made a difference to many people in this world. Usually the poorest. I've been very critical of him but he's demonstrating being one of the good guys. He's intent on spending at least half his money before he dies on good causes and real differences for humanity. And he's encouraging the richest of the world to do the same. He's working from the misunderstanding that the earth changes are our own doing. But he doesn't intend to actually kill people to reduce the population. Last year he made malaria a goal. This year it's energy. To save lives in the long run.

Furthermore: giving a child's immune system a deactivated virus will not make him sick. It will teach the immune system to counter the real virus when it comes along. Acting as if that is evil is weird considering the real thing CAN kill the child. And will kill many many children. If you want to make an issue of this, take the kid out of child care. Because contact with other kids will introduce it to many many more viruses, and the kid will actually get sick from that... Frequently. Put your child in a plastic sterile bubble... Knowing that the kid will be miserable and the first puncture will potentially kill the child.

The child came to earth. The child NEEDS indoctrination, it depends on you for this. Because without it, it will not know how to speak, it will not even know how to think. Amazing as it might seem, speech and thought are directly related. Without your help, it will not learn to walk, it will not learn to deal with people. This is indoctrination... Considering this bad or evil is, in my view ignorant. As a psychologist, I can assure you that your indoctrination and education that you give your child will be it's most valuable asset during the rest of it's life... It is a gift of freedom, not enslavement. If your kid doesn't like water, you'll hopefully still teach it to swim. Gently both to teach it to face fears and give it a fighting chance when it eventually does end up in the water.

Without indoctrination it will be a mere shadow of the person it could be. This is empowerment and NOT a bad thing!

I'm sorry you feel this way. I encourage everyone to check the facts and their history for themselves it'll only cost a few hours of your life and they are more sound than anything.

I said in my other post my personal reasons for not vaccinating, explaining the weeks, well 2 months of research I did, and my personal back ground enabling me to understand what I was seeing, and do a complete about face in light of my findings. So I totally agree with you it’s worth the time to investigate.

I did not accuse Bill Gates of anything, you made that assumption. All I said was ‘Interesting’ for on the face of it it’s a strange statement to make. I've not looked into it further.

Forgive me for taking little that I find here on earth at face value I like to look into things myself and make my own decisions.
Thus why I like 'informed' consent that we have in the UK. I was unhappy with the level of information given to me to make the choice on behalf of my child.... so I spent the time looking into it myself.

[Monica]

I was unhappy with the level of information given to me to make the choice on behalf of my child.... so I spent the time looking into it myself.

@ndy, I totally agree! The decision as to whether or not to vaccinate was one of the most difficult decisions I ever made as a parent. There is a huge amount of information that most parents are not aware of.

Moderator note: This thread has been merged with another thread on vaccinations, containing a great deal of valuable discussion. See the first page of this thread, which contains the earlier discussion.

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...since Gates retired he has made a difference to many people in this world. Usually the poorest. I've been very critical of him but he's demonstrating being one of the good guys. He's intent on spending at least half his money before he dies on good causes and real differences for humanity. And he's encouraging the richest of the world to do the same.

I agree that Bill Gates is doing a lot of good in the world. Ali, you know I disagree with you about vaccines. As you well know from the earlier discussion (that's now at the top of this discussion), I consider vaccines far, far more dangerous than the diseases they are purported to protect from. But I don't think everyone who promotes vaccines is aware of the dangers of vaccines. In fairness to Bill Gates, he is probably promoting something that the earnestly believes is beneficial.

He's working from the misunderstanding that the earth changes are our own doing.

Uh oh, looks like I may have to dig out the Global Warming debate, ahem, I mean discussion too! Another highly volatile and controversial topic.

But he doesn't intend to actually kill people to reduce the population. Last year he made malaria a goal. This year it's energy. To save lives in the long run.

With so many obvious real villains in the world, I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt to those who appear to be doing good, Bill Gates among them.

Furthermore: giving a child's immune system a deactivated virus will not make him sick.

That might be true if it were only a deactivated virus that's being injected. But it isn't. There are many toxic chemicals in that vaccine. The list of ingredients in this chemical cocktail, along with discussion about the differences between injecting directly into the bloodstream vs. ingesting substances, is found earlier in this discussion.

Put your child in a plastic sterile bubble... Knowing that the kid will be miserable and the first puncture will potentially kill the child.

Vaccinating and keeping the child in a sterile environment are not the only options. A 3rd option is to strengthen the immune system in other ways. An additional component of that is homeopathic immunization.

The child came to earth. The child NEEDS indoctrination, it depends on you for this. Because without it, it will not know how to speak, it will not even know how to think. Amazing as it might seem, speech and thought are directly related. Without your help, it will not learn to walk, it will not learn to deal with people. This is indoctrination... Considering this bad or evil is, in my view ignorant. As a psychologist, I can assure you that your indoctrination and education that you give your child will be it's most valuable asset during the rest of it's life... It is a gift of freedom, not enslavement. If your kid doesn't like water, you'll hopefully still teach it to swim. Gently both to teach it to face fears and give it a fighting chance when it eventually does end up in the water.

My friend, I understand your point, but, respectfully, I think there's a huge difference between education and indoctrination. I wouldn't lump them into the same category. I am very much in favor of education, but very much against indoctrination.

The former implies the ability to think for oneself, whereas the latter implies being forcefed viewpoints, and taught to never question those viewpoints.

I encourage everyone to check the facts and their history for themselves it'll only cost a few hours of your life and they are more sound than anything.

Whose history? Are you referring to the history of vaccines, and are you saying that vaccines are sound? If so, I emphatically disagree. But I still love you.

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My son was diagnosed with Autistic Spectrum Disorder. He used to scream for hours, bang his head to the point of self injury, bite, kick, refuse to eat, and toilet... It was.... very difficult. This all began to occur after being vaccinated with 10 vaccines all at once. Before this event, he was a sweet natured loving child who loved to interact with people, was speaking, eating food and highly interested in toileting. (he was 22 months). About 1 week after vaccination he developed full body eczema and the behaviors began.

It took me a year to figure out what had happened to him... I knew something was amiss. For Goodness sakes it does not take a double blind study to observe a reaction to something.

Fairy, I'm sorry to hear about yours and your son's difficult experience! But what a profound statement you made: It doesn't take a double blind study to observe a reaction... How very true! The parents of children who've been affected by vaccines know what is obvious. That's why it's such an insult when the drug companies try to cover it up with data. There's no way to convince a parent who knows what happened to her child, that it was unrelated, any more than a person who had a spiritual experience could be convinced that we're not spiritual beings.

I'm glad to hear you were able to find healing for your son!

I also believe Autism is really being a specialist in life. High functioning Autistic People are specialist in their chosen fields of study. There has always been high functioning Autistic People in the world... what I believe has changed is there are now more Autistic People.

That's a beautiful way to look at it!

[cosmoethicism]

Hi Cosmo! Welcome to Bring4th!

No need to apologize! Strong statements are perfectly fine and not alienating, when offered as politely and graciously as you have done!

The subject of vaccinations is very volatile and it's easy to have strong views on it.

Hi Monica, thanks for warm welcome, it is an honor and a privilege to be sharing with like minded body/mind/spirit complexes. Very rare breed.

Yes, Vaccines are a volatile subject until you stop understanding.

Then you try to understand the illusion, do the honest, unbiased investigation into it, and come to an overstanding of the topic; then it will cease to draw any comments at all, since everyone involved will be in agreement of their harmfulness.

Mind you that the most relevant issue in the vaccination topic has not been posted (I have not seen it mentioned) yet.

This issue has to do with the fact that all vaccines processing has been done, and still is, using Green Monkey Kidney Tissue. This Kidney Tissue is infected with a virus that is very small and (at least in the 1960´s) all vaccines made had this virus since the virus got thru to the filters used.

This is relevant because most Connective Tissue Diseases (Systemic Lupus Erythrematosous, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Dermatomyositis, Polymyalgia Rheumatica, Polyateritis Nodosa, Scleroderma, etc) are due to immune dysfunction caused by this virus.

In particular the oral form of the Poliomyelitis vaccine received by anyone before 1980. This may explain the surge in those diseases in the last 35 years.

In the 1960´s the filters used were capable of stopping anything "bigger" than 60 microns; The Green Monkey Kidney Virus has a size of 25 microns, hence it went undetected.

Hopefully the filters used today can stop the Green Monkey Virus; but it is very difficult to find any information on the Pharma Cartel thusly I ignore what size filter is employed today.

Sorry for throwing fuel in what appeared to be a somewhat repetitious blog, even more so after the "merger" with the vaccines blog or thread.

I am addressing it to you since you were the only one that responded to my previous post. It seems that the thread had turn to Bill Gates and his vaccination donations and related underpinnings.

I will have my drone over Anchorage, KY trying to get a glimpse of Carla (How many cats now?) and Jim (We share the same birthday).

Blessings and may The One Infinite Creator keep you nested in the sweet emanations of Love and Light.

[Ali Quadir]

I respectfully step out of the discussion... I don't want to convince you guys I just wanted to add my understanding.

A final note is that the "fear uncertainty doubt" FUD is like dirt that crawls into any understanding. I see a lot of fear for "Them" the powers that be... When our fear of Them becomes all encompassing, when we start to ascribe all things negative to them. At that point they are to us no longer what they really are. They are our own shadow that we see everywhere, like it's following us around. They love it, we've become our own enemies.

The power these individuals have is very limited. The universe itself is pushing mankind through a pinhole. They do not have the ability to stop this. All they can do is slow the process by making all of us fearful, and focus us on the bad things and not the good things. The fear they produce randomly creates these things like the vaccine scares... Or the muslim scares. Or the killer asteroids, the mind control, the brainwashing scares... Evil aliens!

Bottom line is: your life, your choice. The consequences are yours and fear is a bad guide.

[Monica]

I see a lot of fear for "Them" the powers that be... When our fear of Them becomes all encompassing, when we start to ascribe all things negative to them. At that point they are to us no longer what they really are. They are our own shadow that we see everywhere, like it's following us around. They love it, we've become our own enemies.

The power these individuals have is very limited. The universe itself is pushing mankind through a pinhole. They do not have the ability to stop this. All they can do is slow the process by making all of us fearful, and focus us on the bad things and not the good things. The fear they produce randomly creates these things like the vaccine scares... Or the muslim scares. Or the killer asteroids, the mind control, the brainwashing scares... Evil aliens!

Bottom line is: your life, your choice. The consequences are yours and fear is a bad guide.

I agree 100%!

But I'm still not going to knowingly eat poisonous mushrooms, swallow arsenic, or step in front of a train.

[cosmoethicism]

Al Quadir:
We do not fear them, we (at least I) love them. They provide the catalysts for us to better understand the distortions, they are the reference point that we use to see how things are going in these harvest times.

This Chemical Cartel (Pharma-Phuel-PhDs) have and will prevail for some time to come, but eventually it will be our turn to bat and we will hit a home-run!. (or the british equivalent). However, this Chemical Cartel may or not be aware that they are just puppets in a much larger drama currently unfolding in the Cosmic Arena

Meanwhile, as you put it, they represent areas of ourselves that are dark and shadow bringing to our awareness that if we despise them so much, is because some of their behavior is hidden deeply within our beingness and instead of beating and complaint about them, maybe we should look inside ourselves for those traits of greed and power in another format.

I beg you to read my last posting regarding The Green Monkey Kidney Virus and vaccines. It may give you some area of interest to explore further.
Blessings

[Ali Quadir]

@Monica
I would not compare it to stepping in front of a train. I'd compare it to wearing seat belts.

@Cosmoethicism
You ask me to research your story. I already did but I thought better I don't respond to it... I'm sorry, I'm trained as a scientist. I have to check facts before I respond to them. It's not as simple as reading your story and responding to the emotional charge in it. I checked the facts and decided to keep my mouth shut. And not infringe on your free will any further..

However, you asked...
All viruses are measured in the nanometer range. Most viruses known are between the size 10 nm, and 300 nm, which is only 0.3 micron. There are some exceptions going to 600nm... (=0.6um) You speak of a virus 15um in size, which is enormous, about 30 times bigger than the largest virus known to man! Yet you call it small. You call this monster the green monkey kidney virus.. A suitable name for a monster.

However... Green monkey kidneys are used as a breeding material for all sorts of viruses. Meaning that "The green monkey kidney virus" isn't actually a name for a specific virus.

Your whole story makes no sense, to me. I think you heard something somewhere, or heard it from someone somewhere, but a lot was lost in translation... And from what came through I cannot reconstruct the original story. It's clear to me however that people really believe what they believe considering vaccination and I can't change that, so I thought it better to not respond.

You guys are more important to me than the ego in me that wants to be right all the time. And it's good for me to just shut up occasionally. Being right is no excuse to be an ass.

It means I cannot follow you in this belief. It would go against who I am. I will vaccinate my children, when I get them, just like I will teach them to swim. My respectfully stepping back from the discussion simply means that I cannot follow you here, just like you cannot follow me. And I accept our differences.

Namaste

[Monica]

@Monica
I would not compare it to stepping in front of a train. I'd compare it to wearing seat belts.

Haha!!! Good response!

What is a trainwreck to me is seat belts to you...that pretty much sums it up!

[cosmoethicism]

@Cosmoethicism
However, you asked...
All viruses are measured in the nanometer range. Most viruses known are between the size 10 nm, and 300 nm, which is only 0.3 micron. There are some exceptions going to 600nm... (=0.6um) You speak of a virus 15um in size, which is enormous, about 30 times bigger than the largest virus known to man! Yet you call it small. You call this monster the green monkey kidney virus.. A suitable name for a monster.

You got me there!. Thanks for the correction. The point was that the filters used in vaccine fabrication allow the passage of the Virus. The virus is very well known, what is not known is the relationship and causation it has with Autoimmune Diseases.

However... Green monkey kidneys are used as a breeding material for all sorts of viruses. Meaning that "The green monkey kidney virus" isn't actually a name for a specific virus.

It is still unknown to the masses. It has been kept "off limits" by the P3 (Phama, Phuel and PhD) cartel. Even their own scientist dont know about it, except for elite members. How do I know? Is simply a matter of asking not only the right question at the right time, but also to the right "Person"
Google has 352,000 hits with that entry

Your whole story makes no sense, to me. I think you heard something somewhere, or heard it from someone somewhere, but a lot was lost in translation... And from what came through I cannot reconstruct the original story. It's clear to me however that people really believe what they believe considering vaccination and I can't change that, so I thought it better to not respond.

Dear Ali Quadir I do not hear things, I am a trained Cardiologist/Internist at John Hopkins School of Medicine, participated in the early development of the Automatic Internal Defibrillator there with Dr. Mirowsky and Mower (The inventors of the device). Have my own lab research into Inert Gases and exciting their primary points into usable energy with biological Anti Enthropic results (antiaging, etc). So so can say that I am a scientist.

You guys are more important to me than the ego in me that wants to be right all the time. And it's good for me to just shut up occasionally. Being right is no excuse to be an a$$.

Please, I am not shedding my ego either; is priceless, it has brought me here and I intend to keep it for a long time. Our brief exchanges indicate an incisive and rational mind that is a treasure, I did not see any dollars signs with an "A" in front of them in you.

It means I cannot follow you in this belief. It would go against who I am. I will vaccinate my children, when I get them, just like I will teach them to swim. My respectfully stepping back from the discussion simply means that I cannot follow you here, just like you cannot follow me. And I accept our differences.

You may want to simultaneously give them the same vaccine prepared homeopathically at 12X potency. At that potentiation you will only get the energetic imprint of the vaccine and the side effects from the vaccine aborted. Is available in Europe

Blessings

[@ndy]

I don't mean to keep this going.

I'm just playing with things in my head

You could say that giving a vaccine would be out of fear of 'illness'

One thing is for sure, what ever we decide to do - we come to it threw the love of wanting to protect our child to the best of our ability, understanding insight and knowledge.

If we didn't care and love them so much it wouldn't matter what we did.

[fairyfarmgirl]

The vaccination issue is an issue of experience. Those who have experienced the difficulties of watching a child be vaccine injured and the results of that injury vs those who have not experienced this.

Since, many scientifically oriented people are very skeptical of any anedotal data, observation and are very conservative in their ideation the cry that those who avoid vaccination are fearful and superstitious will continue UNTIL one day the scientifically oriented people have their skeptism challenged by experience of a vaccine injured child.



fairyfarmgirl

[cosmoethicism]

You could say that giving a vaccine would be out of fear of 'illness'

One thing is for sure, what ever we decide to do - we come to it threw the love of wanting to protect our child to the best of our ability, understanding insight and knowledge.

Dear Andy: You are right in your assertions, but I think that an action of Love stemming from FEAR (False Evidence Appearing As Real) is a plea for improving abilities, understanding, insights and knowledge, as Edgar Cayce used to say. That is what I am doing in this forum, trying to learn/teach from your teachings/learnings. Blessings

[@ndy]

Dear Andy: You are right in your assertions, but I think that an action of Love stemming from FEAR (False Evidence Appearing As Real) is a plea for improving abilities, understanding, insights and knowledge, as Edgar Cayce used to say. That is what I am doing in this forum, trying to learn/teach from your teachings/learnings. Blessings

I think I understand what you are saying.

The decision to continue to vaccinate my 2nd child after the reaction to his first vaccine. - The actual choice was made instinctively, as every time I tried to make an appointment I froze up, it felt 'wrong' on a level I can’t explain.

The months of research was my head arguing with my heart My indecision and research was a helpful catalyst and growing tool for me.
I felt I had to justify/prove to myself, friends and others what my heart was telling me.

I’m finding this discussion also helpful in realising how I can tie myself in knots with thinking over faith - So thank you all with providing me with this catalyst.

[Questioner]

Moderator edit: Questioner's post is in response to a spambot post that has since been deleted.

Fortunately, "Joshua" aka "talha" the spambot, there is a quick and certain cure for spambot slop that attempts to manipulate and degrade a forum through irrelevant quotes and a vicious attempt at "humor." That vaccine consists of members and moderators who are alert to such abusive nonsense and quickly put an end to it.

[Monica]

Fortunately, "Joshua" aka "talha" the spambot, there is a quick and certain cure for spambot slop that attempts to manipulate and degrade a forum through irrelevant quotes and a vicious attempt at "humor." That vaccine consists of members and moderators who are alert to such abusive nonsense and quickly put an end to it.

I'll let Steve know. He handles the tech stuff.