The Morals of Porn

[Zach]

Although my view may be fringe to many, I believe its not the porn itself that is damaging its how the scenes are done, the people in them and the intent behind them. I think whether its damaging or not is mostly left up to you, the individual. But It does seem that many porn stars are "MK'd" (referring to MK-Ultra) . I think the porn industry as is would rather have guys see women as **** dolls than actual people... and its being acted out.

That said not all porn has this negativity behind it but I find pretty much most porn (that is easily accessible) does. Many of these women that I see especially the ones that are really popular usually seem broken to me. To me there is more sadness, addiction and aggression in porn than positive energy exhanges. I feel like I have seen a truth about the porn industry that is un-seeable, such as the occult influence behind many big porn companies, which tends to give me a feeling of needing to stay away from the abusive/degrading types of porn. Sometimes its not necessarily negative on the surface...but on an energetic level one who is sensitive might feel things are off.

I think Jeremy gave a good suggestion regarding sticking to amatuer (homegrown) porn.

[Stranger]

One of the key exercises Ra suggested for spiritual growth is seeing the Creator in all other-selves.

Whatever that exercise accomplishes on a spiritual or psychological levels, clearly looking at porn and viewing women as, to quote Viewer, "**** dolls" would create the exactly opposite effects.

The choice of what to do, of course, is ever ours. But the consequences still apply.

[Zach]

double post

[Bourbon Betty]

double post

Touche magic hallway.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

One of the key exercises Ra suggested for spiritual growth is seeing the Creator in all other-selves.

Whatever that exercise accomplishes on a spiritual or psychological levels, clearly looking at porn and viewing women as, to quote Viewer, "**** dolls" would create the exactly opposite effects.

The choice of what to do, of course, is ever ours.  But the consequences still apply.

That is the only reason I still watch porn.

But Viewer is essentially on spot with my concerns.  Porn essentially is a tool.  One of the more dangerous types.  Its a fanrasy perpetuating itself as reality, which rewires your brain after so long to innately view others differently.

Ever notice a guy who checks out a girl when she's not looking? Ever wonder what thoughts he has when he does that?

Chances are, parts of porn encouraged that behavior.

I could be satiric but I'm at work and porn isn't that important.

But I have to say >->
<-<

Drawn porn is awesomely sexy.  Art to me achieves beauty in ways even the human body doesn't always manage.  Just watch out for the weird stuff.

And trust me, weird in porn transcends 6D aliens speaking through people.  It gets.  Funky.  Crazy funky.  And not the kind of funky you drop jazzy dubstep remixes to while tripping on ecstasy enjoying yourself.

Its dark, gender distorted, body morphing, hellishly different types of weird.

You've been warned

[Stranger]

Ha, you have completely misunderstood my meaning. It's my fault for not being clear, I'm sure. I was pointing that looking at women as objects is inherent in viewing porn, because it very powerfully grabs hold of the animal part of our nature. Our animal nature does not understand spirituality or oneness, it inherently sees all other things as separate. And when we view women (or men, for that matter) as objects, we are doing the exact opposite of what Ra said was a powerful tool for growing spiritually. Therefore we can expect the opposite effects.

If you use the hammer to hit yourself instead of the nail, you'll end up hurt instead of building a house.

[Bourbon Betty]

Problem with porn is that it makes it more likely that its consumers will not recognize that if you can watch porn you can also star in porn, and if you can star in porn why not just have sex, and if you don't have sex becuase you trust another version of yourself more than yourself, why not just say you want to go f*** yourself.

Never made sense, doesn't mean it stops everyone from consuming it.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

Ha, you have completely misunderstood my meaning.  It's my fault for not being clear, I'm sure.  I was pointing that looking at women as objects  is inherent in viewing porn, because it very powerfully grabs hold of the animal part of our nature.  Our animal nature does not understand spirituality or oneness, it inherently sees all other things as separate.  And when we view women (or men, for that matter) as objects, we are doing the exact opposite of what Ra said was a powerful tool for growing spiritually.  Therefore we can expect the opposite effects.

If you use the hammer to hit yourself instead of the nail, you'll end up hurt instead of building a house.

I try to hit the nail, but sometimes I have the misfortune of not being more careful. And it hurts a bit. Or, a lot. Depending.

In the bold. Why do you believe the self-sentient and fully aware vehicle for literally us, is incapable of understanding in a logical manner these concepts?

It does possess every bit and piece of the various devices we use for existing in the body as a consciousness. It is essentially equal as we are. It learns and cooperates with us. Adapts to our behaviors. Tries its best to maintain, as if intelligently. Holds the brain and heart, gives thoughts form and habits formed. It also allows both of 'us' in a vague sense, to cooperate as one. Maybe some can leave their bodies at will, but I haven't. So I feel pretty co-zy with my animal self getting to know me. I do really think the body is the same as the mind and spirit. Just a different layer, in a sense.

[upensmoke]

another thought i had on this subject is that individuals should not blame the porn itself. Like many other have stated their is PLENTY of positive porn out there. There are many couples who create their own website or do webcam shows. Any porn you find from a big production company that may not be so positive, you can find a positive couple who does the same and watch them instead knowing the couple enjoys it. Also I feel like porn doesn't create any new desires or pushes a person to further extremes, meaning if one sees something extreme and they liked it, that means they always liked such a thing. They were just unaware of it because they never experienced it yet. I feel like a lot of people don't realize that their everyday lives play a big part on their sex lives and fantasy, as well as their sexual perversions, and sadly for some their childhood played a major role.

long story short its not the porn its the people. Don't blame porn, but rather the individuals who allow it to happen in a negative fashion or the individuals that do it in a negative fashion.

[AnthroHeart]

I only want what I can't have.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

I browse 4chan's /b/ board now and then and...

I can say.  There are girls pushed into extreme porn shoots for money who did not expect to be treated as badly as they were. Even nonprofessional girls. Even normal first time shoot's. Porn has a genre that enjoys force and basically agreed to via contract unconsensual behavior, and the girl gets sort of psychologically locked in, especially when they need money.

There's an exception for everything, sometimes the exception is more common than you'd think.

Money can make people do horrible things, even to themselves.

[Jade]

In discussing sex in TPP's other thread, I found this interesting quote from Ra, which seems to contradict this thread a bit:

31.11 Questioner: Timothy Leary, doing research, wrote that at the time of puberty, and up through that time, there is an imprint occurring on the DNA coding of an entity and that, for instance, sexual biases are imprinted due to early sexual experiences or some of the first sexual experiences of the entity. Does anything like this actually happen?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. Due to the nature of solitary sexual experiences, it is in most cases unlikely that what you call masturbation has an imprinting effect upon later experiences.

This is similarly true with some of the encounters which might be seen as homosexual among those of this age group. These are often, instead, innocent exercises in curiosity.

However, it is quite accurate that the first experience in which the mind/body/spirit complex is intensely involved will indeed imprint upon the entity for that life experience a set of preferences.

My guess is that pornography would be considered less than a solo act, or that Ra didn't have the foresight to recognize the addictive power of internet porn.

But again, unlikely he says. The average person who masturbates as a child isn't going to be imprinted strongly by those experiences, especially if they are purely red-ray expressions of lust. But I think the more vivid the experience and the more "real" the person you are thinking about is, and the more the orange-yellow-and green the energy is, the more catalyst the experience offers.

[earth_spirit]

-----

[AnthroHeart]

I think that masturbating keeps us focused on the lower chakras. If we do it too often, it takes energy away from higher centers. I don't think we can reach intelligent infinity or enlightenment if we do it often.

[Cobrien]

I used to watch porn of women being dominated by hypnosis. I would rather have actual sex or have a wet dream. I don't have the desire to add such potent catalyst which in my view is negative to my experience though sometimes I do lust.

[The_Tired_Philosopher]

In discussing sex in TPP's other thread, I found this interesting quote from Ra, which seems to contradict this thread a bit:

31.11 Questioner: Timothy Leary, doing research, wrote that at the time of puberty, and up through that time, there is an imprint occurring on the DNA coding of an entity and that, for instance, sexual biases are imprinted due to early sexual experiences or some of the first sexual experiences of the entity. Does anything like this actually happen?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. Due to the nature of solitary sexual experiences, it is in most cases unlikely that what you call masturbation has an imprinting effect upon later experiences.

This is similarly true with some of the encounters which might be seen as homosexual among those of this age group. These are often, instead, innocent exercises in curiosity.

However, it is quite accurate that the first experience in which the mind/body/spirit complex is intensely involved will indeed imprint upon the entity for that life experience a set of preferences.

My guess is that pornography would be considered less than a solo act, or that Ra didn't have the foresight to recognize the addictive power of internet porn.

But again, unlikely he says. The average person who masturbates as a child isn't going to be imprinted strongly by those experiences, especially if they are purely red-ray expressions of lust. But I think the more vivid the experience and the more "real" the person you are thinking about is, and the more the orange-yellow-and green the energy is, the more catalyst the experience offers.

So glad you mentioned this.

From my lifely personal experience, you need to figure if such 'innocent' expressions were such.  In my case, I got talked into sex when I was...I think younger than or around 10?  The guy was two years older, 'really' wanted to know what sex was like, talked me into it and then continued using me until our friendship ended.

I'd say that imprinted me enough to be bisexual.

I also watched a lot of porn, weird porn being into hentai and what not.  Especially tentacle stuff, that has left an imprint too, specifically, I am inextricably for no reason I can surmise beyond 'I got into it when I was 12' into mindbreak vore tentacle genres  (see: 'eaten' or entrapped and pleasured until your mind just shuts down).  Which looking into at 23, I'm extremely lucky I dodged the really extreme messed up variants of that genre, but a decades worth of time and I still like it??  Hmm.

Not just that, but think about the subconscious catalyst being programmed by porn.  Unless youv watch a lot of it, you might not realize how much background info is dumped into your mind.

Ever like flatchested girls on porn?  Some porn mimics child porn with older 'younger' looking models (18yo looking 15).

Jailbait is its own genre.  I mean seriously.  Porn is catalyst.  Porn isn't solitary, especially if you buy porn its not a solitary act.  Another is going through something for your pleasure to masturbate too.  Artistic porn, someone had to create it for you.

Versus masturbating with your hand in your...where ever you do it lol...

Ra mentions 'often' innocent.  Its not always.  I wouldn't call how I was talked into sex innocent.

That memory bothers me often now a days.  Had it never happened I wonder if I'd be a better person today not so hung up on sex and people mistreating and using me.

I dont know how some girls give themselves to guys just to be used for their pleasure without loving them.  I can't stand it now, back then it felt off, then just wrong, then I just got numb to those feelings because I had no idea what was what and knew I couldn't tell anyone anything.

Also, hurt.  Another kinda biggie in my not getting letting someone use you to basically masturbate using your body...

'Hyono' genre porn (or 'hyperporn') is.  I.  Wouldn't recommend it until you see each frame and know you're not getting 20 images of depraved captions subliminally insulting and destroying your self worth in 2 seconds time (MKULTRA and the Cia had some interesting techniques of 'programming'.)

Normal hypnosis genre porn is usually fake.

Most amateur porn that isn't clearly homemade between two people is fake (there's 'reality' amateur pornstars ffs, and even friggin 'homemade' professional porn genres that try to look like its homemade normal people doing it.  A lot of the heavier (gangbang or such) 'amateur' stuff is with prostitutes.  Especially the cuckold interracial homemade genres.

Porn is fake.

...with that said.  I'm totally a bit hot and bothered in a good way by the idea of being hypnotized into having sex with someone.  So long as its a girl and a decent person.  I might identify as bisexual, but my preference is pretty straight (puuun)

Masturbation is also a coping mechanism when deep in depression for some.  If any chakras are focused on its Red, and maybe Orange up to Green depending on whats going through your mind, who is the subject or what, the intent.

But not for polarizing, its more a polishing act (no pun but totally still pun intended) on the chakras I think.

[Cobrien]

In discussing sex in TPP's other thread, I found this interesting quote from Ra, which seems to contradict this thread a bit:

31.11 Questioner: Timothy Leary, doing research, wrote that at the time of puberty, and up through that time, there is an imprint occurring on the DNA coding of an entity and that, for instance, sexual biases are imprinted due to early sexual experiences or some of the first sexual experiences of the entity. Does anything like this actually happen?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. Due to the nature of solitary sexual experiences, it is in most cases unlikely that what you call masturbation has an imprinting effect upon later experiences.

This is similarly true with some of the encounters which might be seen as homosexual among those of this age group. These are often, instead, innocent exercises in curiosity.

However, it is quite accurate that the first experience in which the mind/body/spirit complex is intensely involved will indeed imprint upon the entity for that life experience a set of preferences.

My guess is that pornography would be considered less than a solo act, or that Ra didn't have the foresight to recognize the addictive power of internet porn.

But again, unlikely he says. The average person who masturbates as a child isn't going to be imprinted strongly by those experiences, especially if they are purely red-ray expressions of lust. But I think the more vivid the experience and the more "real" the person you are thinking about is, and the more the orange-yellow-and green the energy is, the more catalyst the experience offers.

So glad you mentioned this.

From my lifely personal experience, you need to figure if such 'innocent' expressions were such.  In my case, I got talked into sex when I was...I think younger than or around 10?  The guy was two years older, 'really' wanted to know what sex was like, talked me into it and then continued using me until our friendship ended.

I'd say that imprinted me enough to be bisexual.

I also watched a lot of porn, weird porn being into hentai and what not.  Especially tentacle stuff, that has left an imprint too, specifically, I am inextricably for no reason I can surmise beyond 'I got into it when I was 12' into mindbreak vore tentacle genres  (see: 'eaten' or entrapped and pleasured until your mind just shuts down).  Which looking into at 23, I'm extremely lucky I dodged the really extreme messed up variants of that genre, but a decades worth of time and I still like it??  Hmm.

Not just that, but think about the subconscious catalyst being programmed by porn.  Unless youv watch a lot of it, you might not realize how much background info is dumped into your mind.

Ever like flatchested girls on porn?  Some porn mimics child porn with older 'younger' looking models (18yo looking 15).

Jailbait is its own genre.  I mean seriously.  Porn is catalyst.  Porn isn't solitary, especially if you buy porn its not a solitary act.  Another is going through something for your pleasure to masturbate too.  Artistic porn, someone had to create it for you.

Versus masturbating with your hand in your...where ever you do it lol...

Ra mentions 'often' innocent.  Its not always.  I wouldn't call how I was talked into sex innocent.

That memory bothers me often now a days.  Had it never happened I wonder if I'd be a better person today not so hung up on sex and people mistreating and using me.

I dont know how some girls give themselves to guys just to be used for their pleasure without loving them.  I can't stand it now, back then it felt off, then just wrong, then I just got numb to those feelings because I had no idea what was what and knew I couldn't tell anyone anything.

Also, hurt.  Another kinda biggie in my not getting letting someone use you to basically masturbate using your body...

'Hyono' genre porn (or 'hyperporn') is.  I.  Wouldn't recommend it until you see each frame and know you're not getting 20 images of depraved captions subliminally insulting and destroying your self worth in 2 seconds time (MKULTRA and the Cia had some interesting techniques of 'programming'.)

Normal hypnosis genre porn is usually fake.

Most amateur porn that isn't clearly homemade between two people is fake (there's 'reality' amateur pornstars ffs, and even friggin 'homemade' professional porn genres that try to look like its homemade normal people doing it.  A lot of the heavier (gangbang or such) 'amateur' stuff is with prostitutes.  Especially the cuckold interracial homemade genres.

Porn is fake.

...with that said.  I'm totally a bit hot and bothered in a good way by the idea of being hypnotized into having sex with someone.  So long as its a girl and a decent person.  I might identify as bisexual, but my preference is pretty straight (puuun)

Masturbation is also a coping mechanism when deep in depression for some.  If any chakras are focused on its Red, and maybe Orange up to Green depending on whats going through your mind, who is the subject or what, the intent.

But not for polarizing, its more a polishing act (no pun but totally still pun intended) on the chakras I think.

I have been and plan to abstain from masturbating which by association means not watching porn. If you know a little about hypnosis it's very easy to tell what is fake and what not. Hypnosis in this way is a form of domination and submission. I found it so attractive because of the dissatisfaction I have in my experience with personal relationships. I've always wanted to fall in love. Porn became a way to release a lack where desire was present.

Porn used to allow myself to ignore what I felt. A loneliness or lack of emotional intimacy isn't cured by masturbating to anything no matter what it is. That's what I believe.

It's almost like we all have an image of what we want to experience. All yellow and orange ray activity seeks green ray activity, unconditional love. I think most want a selfish love. I want my partner to accept for who I am and see me for who I am, but can I give that to my partner. Masturbating intensifies the catalyst.

I've spent time reflecting on this. Sexual desire is one channel for love. The 'how' in love matters. The 'how' is the path.

Just because I fear rejection, I sought out a specific type of relationship supplementary material (ie porn). When you're bleeding the first thought isn't to ask why your bleeding. It's to stop bleeding. In other words this is why I decided not to masturbate.

My perception is different. I was never interested in watching naked people f***. For me it became about power to express your sexuality. 

[Aion]

I can't watch any porn that doesn't seem to have genuine enjoyment for the women. I don't mean just reactions to the pleasure, but actually enjoying the engagement. Having fun, even. To be fair, sometimes women get so enthralled by pleasure they can't do anything but react but I think that is pretty obvious when it is the case.

I've viewed pretty much every form of bizarre, obscure porn one could think of and there's a point where it stops being 'porn' and where it just becomes images and the human sexuality becomes secondary to the sexuality of the 'idea' of the fetish. I realized a long time ago that humans are more attracted to ideas than they are to genuine sexuality. I think that's why fetishes are so dominant.

Think about it, sexualization of imagery is a way in which we stimulate ourselves towards an orgasm. If orgasm and sexuality originated in procreation how did it get to this point of being associated with literally fucking (heh heh) everything?

I think that 'sexuality' is actually creative energy manifesting through different levels of self. Then I wonder, how do bodies tune in to different pleasure? Why is pleasure in one way a thing for one person but not for another? Is it because of our genetics? Our minds and biases? What is 'attraction'? A feeling of 'fullness'? What is lust and yearning?

Sexuality is still probably the greatest mystery in all of reality for me.

[Jade]

I think that's because just about everything can be likened to sex. Sex is the analogy to all of Creation. Ra even says as we get closer to unifying with the Creator it becomes more like an eternal orgasm. So yeah, it's a great mystery.

[Aion]

Yeah I've seen that said before, but that just appears to me to be a projection. I can take almost anything and blanket it over Creation to make it fit.

[AnthroHeart]

I try not to subject myself now to the temptations of the flesh. I have been really bad about it in my life. I just want to feel like I am a good person. And I want to stay focused on spirituality, and not the flesh.