12/21/2012: David Wilcock, Harvest, Ra, New Age Gurus. What does it all mean?

[Namaste]

Some of those who wish to escape have more balancing to do than those who do not.

fixed.

Much better, updated.

[AnthroHeart]

Today my self-esteem is a 10. First time in like forever. I feel ready, harvest or not.

[Namaste]

Today my self-esteem is a 10. First time in like forever. I feel ready, harvest or not.

Wonderful! :¬)

[Matt1]

I think David gives a good service, most of his material is free if people take the time to look. I can't think of anyone else who offers so many hours and hours of material, book length blogs packed with information all for free. He does have somethings for sale like his Gaiamtv show but your not just paying for his show but lots of others as well.

I think its fairly easy to point the finger at him because he's probably the most public figure on this type of material and the Law of One i know of. He's an easy scapegoat to projected personal unbalanced catalyst onto. That being said he does have a habit of creating a type of Savior figure for ETs coming to save the day but i have heard him say that they are really only doing work behind the scene , the real work is done in spiritual growth.

The way i see it, if you can't find love and fulfillment within 3rd density you probably won't be able to vibrate at a 4th density level or higher.

[Billy]

I think David gives a good service, most of his material is free if people take the time to look. I can't think of anyone else who offers so many hours and hours of material, book length blogs packed with information all for free. He does have somethings for sale like his Gaiamtv  show but your not just paying for his show but lots of others as well.

I think its fairly easy to point the finger at him because he's probably the most public figure on this type of material and the Law of One i know of. He's an easy scapegoat to projected personal unbalanced catalyst onto. That being said he does have a habit of creating a type of Savior figure for ETs coming to save the day but i have heard him say that they are really only doing work behind the scene , the real work is done in spiritual growth.

The way i see it, if you can't find love and fulfillment within 3rd density you probably won't be able to vibrate at a 4th density level or higher.

I'm screwed.

[Bluebell]

haha i don't think it's true.

[Jade]

I don't think it's fair or true to give absolutes necessarily, but I think part of choosing to incarnate is accepting and embracing our choice and finding our life path. If we are still lost and searching for our reason for being here, we haven't fulfilled our goals yet. So I'm not saying that a red-ray blockages makes someone less than 51% STO, but I think it points to incarnational work having just begun.

eta: I'm also biased because I'm against the idea of harvest any moment, I want to live until I'm in my 100s.

[Billy]

I don't think it's fair or true to give absolutes necessarily, but I think part of choosing to incarnate is accepting and embracing our choice and finding our life path. If we are still lost and searching for our reason for being here, we haven't fulfilled our goals yet. So I'm not saying that a red-ray blockages makes someone less than 51% STO, but I think it points to incarnational work having just begun.

eta: I'm also biased because I'm against the idea of harvest any moment, I want to live until I'm in my 100s.

I'm screwed.

[Bluebell]

I don't think it's fair or true to give absolutes necessarily, but I think part of choosing to incarnate is accepting and embracing our choice and finding our life path. If we are still lost and searching for our reason for being here, we haven't fulfilled our goals yet. So I'm not saying that a red-ray blockages makes someone less than 51% STO, but I think it points to incarnational work having just begun.

eta: I'm also biased because I'm against the idea of harvest any moment, I want to live until I'm in my 100s.

i'm torn. part of me wants home but another still waking part of me has been seduced by earth. it thinks earth is our new home. it wants to learn 2d, 3d... and i don't know how to feel anymore. i feel like 4D is soon starting and i wanna go back and build a string of 3d lifetimes. it's too late.

[ree]

I don't think it's fair or true to give absolutes necessarily, but I think part of choosing to incarnate is accepting and embracing our choice and finding our life path. If we are still lost and searching for our reason for being here, we haven't fulfilled our goals yet. So I'm not saying that a red-ray blockages makes someone less than 51% STO, but I think it points to incarnational work having just begun.

eta: I'm also biased because I'm against the idea of harvest any moment, I want to live until I'm in my 100s.

i'm torn. part of me wants home but another still waking part of me has been seduced by earth. it thinks earth is our new home. it wants to learn 2d, 3d... and i don't know how to feel anymore. i feel like 4D is soon starting and i wanna go back and build a string of 3d lifetimes. it's too late.

Wanting to escape can be 'spiritual bypassing' but it can have personal, symbolic meaning. Like a person experiences catalyst and finding it hard, disillusioned, and wanting something to hope for. Without hope/faith we can get lost, anxious or whatnot. Instead of saying escapist, you can also reframe that into hope. Hoping for a world that matches this inner-ideal, more in alignment with own values, etc.

[AnthroHeart]

In a class we had to choose values that were important to us.
I picked being a spiritual person and making a contribution to the world, and having an easy life.

[Bluebell]

LOL i like that

[Bluebell]

I don't think it's fair or true to give absolutes necessarily, but I think part of choosing to incarnate is accepting and embracing our choice and finding our life path. If we are still lost and searching for our reason for being here, we haven't fulfilled our goals yet. So I'm not saying that a red-ray blockages makes someone less than 51% STO, but I think it points to incarnational work having just begun.

eta: I'm also biased because I'm against the idea of harvest any moment, I want to live until I'm in my 100s.

i'm torn. part of me wants home but another still waking part of me has been seduced by earth. it thinks earth is our new home. it wants to learn 2d, 3d... and i don't know how to feel anymore. i feel like 4D is soon starting and i wanna go back and build a string of 3d lifetimes. it's too late.

Wanting to escape can be 'spiritual bypassing' but it can have personal, symbolic meaning. Like a person experiences catalyst and finding it hard, disillusioned, and wanting something to hope for. Without hope/faith we can get lost, anxious or whatnot. Instead of saying escapist, you can also reframe that into hope. Hoping for a world that matches this inner-ideal, more in alignment with own values, etc.

 i hope so.

[Matt1]

Ultimately at the end of the day. Its win/win. If you graduate to 4th density then your going to have some good times. If not, then you will reincarnate in a new 3rd density planet that will have good times on it as well. I guess the only issue would be if your overly attached to 3rd density Earth Culture. I wouldn't be surprised if those who graduate to 4th density come and visit those on the new 3rd density earth(s) to give healings/teachings/guidance like those above us do just now. Or to keep it simply.

Let the good times roll.

[Jade]

It's just another one of the many spiritual paradoxes. If you hate 3d, you'll keep coming back, if you learn to love it you most likely move on. Until you wander again.

i'm torn. part of me wants home but another still waking part of me has been seduced by earth. it thinks earth is our new home. it wants to learn 2d, 3d... and i don't know how to feel anymore. i feel like 4D is soon starting and i wanna go back and build a string of 3d lifetimes. it's too late.

It's not too late, time is simultaneous. And it's also good to remember, that a human lifetime is a speck compared to the amount of time we really do get to spend in our home vibrations. 

[ree]

I dunno if you hate 3D you'd come back. Ultimately it's up to that process of walking up the steps of light to assess appropriate density... whatever your cumulative vibrational level is would be more indicative of which density you'd be. Depends if someone's a wanderer, too. Lots of spiritual teachers and healers grow old and have 3D-fatigue, often critical and grouchy about 3D lol. They may not hate it, but I think they show a sense of weariness... and they exert their will and love towards serving 'till they drop. Remarkable. 

3D being density of free will and reaching upward to lessons of compassion, you can still hate it here and make good choices in life to polarize, and direct will and love towards serving in whatever capacity. Type of hate that de-polarizes or whatnot is more of a concern, no? e.g., I hate 3D let me destroy everything and play game of thrones.

[Billy]

Don't know if anyone has been keeping up with David and his latest adventures aha but I think this is interesting.

[Bluebell]

what's going on with David's hair?

[Namaste]

I'm now watching the Cory videos on GaiamTV.

I can't help but think he's a fraud. Open to change that opinion as the shows go on. Might just be because he 'errrs' and 'uuuhhhms' so much :¬)

[Matt1]

I think Cory will most likely have aspects of truth and disinformation he has been given, rather than anything empirical. Its still interesting information nevertheless.

[Billy]

For those who are currently members of Gaiam TV or have been in the past, do you recommend joining? 

[Matt1]

Yeah its pretty decent site. If you consider a lot of people pay the same money or even more for netfilx/cable tv its a pretty good deal for having access to a lot of good knowledge.

[Sabou]

I agree with Matt, some really good videos. I mainly stick to the original programs section and enjoy watching all the interviews by the different hosts. That being said, I haven't been in in a few months but that just means I get to go on on my days off and binge watch all the juicy ones I missed.

[BlatzAdict]

i'm on gaia, it's 5 bucks a month, honestly that is inexpensive, i don't even go to see movies anymore which is like 20-30 for two these days.

i only really watch 2 shows on there... wisdom teachings and cosmic disclosure. tried to watch some of the other shows, none of them caught my attention. except for drunvalo melchizadek's stuff

has anyone found a correlation between the blue avians, thoth, and Ra? is thoth one of the blue avians? is thoth i root word for thought? could thoth then also mean light?

[Plenum]

some people have an objection to paying for anything

I really loved Regina Meredith when she had her own site; she since went over to Gaiam, for the collective thrust.

[Nau7ik]

i'm on gaia, it's 5 bucks a month, honestly that is inexpensive, i don't even go to see movies anymore which is like 20-30 for two these days.

i only really watch 2 shows on there... wisdom teachings and cosmic disclosure. tried to watch some of the other shows, none of them caught my attention. except for drunvalo melchizadek's stuff

has anyone found a correlation between the blue avians, thoth, and Ra? is thoth one of the blue avians? is thoth i root word for thought? could thoth then also mean light?

I bought a subscription to Gaiam just to watch David Wilcock and Corey Goode about a year ago. A few months later, Corey's story started to... sound off to me, to the point where I stopped listening to David and Corey. The Law of free will seems to not be understood with accepting that a SSP "alliance" will drop in to "save the day" with data dumps. I brought this concern up with a friend I met through this research, and I was ridiculed and attacked because I questioned disclosure with the very real concept of free will and confusion.

I've since reconsidered my views on disclosure, and personally, I don't see it happening. How could it? When the vast majority of the world doesn't love truth? What about their right to be confused? What about those who don't want to know? Why does one need an external authority figure to say that all he believes and knows is true? (The guy who attacked me thought free will meant having all of the answers handed to you and then making your choice.)

And considering everything positive has been distorted by Orion here on earth, why would disclosure be any different? It makes no sense to me that the negatives would hand over power and tell the truth.

I also read a Q'uo channeling a few weeks ago that confirmed, for me, the improbability of disclosure (somewhere in 2000-2003 transcripts). Responding to a question asked about public disclosure Q'uo was unaware of its probability. More recently, with studying Scott Mandelker, he also has the same notion that it won't happen. So I feel confident in my personal truth.

[Ashim]

I've since reconsidered my views on disclosure, and personally, I don't see it happening. How could it? When the vast majority of the world doesn't love truth? What about their right to be confused? What about those who don't want to know? Why does one need an external authority figure to say that all he believes and knows is true? (The guy who attacked me thought free will meant having all of the answers handed to you and then making your choice.)

Nice post, thanks for your thoughts.

Disclosure, I believe, is a personal event. It happened to me in a way that I could not deny but I did not feel compelled to tell the world about it (well perhaps some forum members who expressed interest). Its nature does not seem to lend itself to wider dissemination due to the Law of Confusion, or the right of other selves not to know. I sure experienced that law at work!
An 'alien landing' or such in the classical sense will not, I feel, happen. There will probably be a gradual introduction of 4th density values that will lead to an acceptance of 'otherworldliness' in society, much as science fiction seems to prep society for such advances. 
There will perhaps be a group of us who 'know' that co-exist with the 'non-knowers' for a period. The 'knowers' of this 4th density positive earth will most certainly not consider themselves as 'elite'.

[GentleWanderer]

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[Infinite]

Well, nothing happened in 12/21/2012. But, I believe that december 21 was a desinformation. The objective was implancte the false belief that there's nothing spiritual. Come on, to a brother that is sleeping this was effective. But, don't lost your hope. The spiritual reality is clarelly TRUE. For this reason, I'll to present some evidences that the spiritual world and the alien life are real. If your stayed frustrated with the 12/21/2012 read this:

We have a lot of evidences of an extraterrestrial visitation to the Earth. I won't talk about religious, historical or archaeological context. I'll talk about PHYSICAL EVIDENCES. That is, FACTS.

First, this a documentary with the Dr. Roger K. Leir (deceased in 2014). He was the the world largest specialist in alien implants removal. The material of the implants was checked as not belonging to Earth. Again, PHYSICAL EVIDENCES:




Here we've a lecture of Budd Hospinks held here in Brasil. Beyond some pictures of various physical evidences we've drawings made by abduction victims that remember of the experience. Among these there are some drawings made by children (which discards fraud):




Here in Brasil, happended in 1977, the BIGGEST EVENT OF WORLD UFOLOGY. The case occurred in municipalities away from the State of Maranhão. People were injured with light rays emitted by UFO's. The rays produced burns and skin perforations. Were injured and killed. As in all these cases there was a great involvement of the army and several untrue stories to cover up the phenomenon. The case was knowded as "The Operation Plate". Here a video about the event:





A OFFICIAL LINK of Brazilian Air Force with pictures of the UFO's:

http://www.fenomenum.com.br/ufo/governos..._prato.pdf


If you're follower of materialism and do not believe in other dimensions also already there is evidence, including laboratory.

Dr. Karl Osis, director of the ASPR (American Society of Psychic Research) demonstrates a laboratorial test, in which Alex Tanous, the famous astral projector, can identify a composite symbol inside a machine, put at several different positions, in a random sequence, with some rooms between Tanous and the machine. Note that you need spy exactly at the right point to see the symbol inside the machine, it is not possible see it from another position. This shows that is is note a “mind perception”, when the observer is not “point-located”. This scene appears at 1h 17' in the classic documentary by Rolf Olsen "Journey into the Beyond". The video:




There's a lot of evidence. And about the Harvest, it can't be predicted. Only the "founders" know when will it happen. Peace, love and light.

[sarina]

Sure. We can all be buddhists or hindus or whatever and find joy in the moment.

But what does that have to do with 2012?

How many people on this forum thought that there would be some kind of ascension event today?

How many thousands of people have been following the new age community for 20 years expecting this 2012 major event?

Let's draw some definitive conclusions.

David Wilcock: FRAUD. This is the guy who supposedly slept in Don Elkins' bed. He lived with Carla and Jim but it seems he was kicked out for some reason (not doing the work he agreed to do? smoking too much weed?)

He then went and started a website where he channelled Ra and started telling people that something big involving UFO landings and ascension events would happen in 2000. When it didn't pan out he changed it to 2012.

Now he's on TV and has a book and supposedly a movie. What now? When all your claims are proven false, one after another after another, what then? There were no mass arrests. There were no destroyed underground bases. There was no alien disclosure in 2009. Obama did not defeat the Illuminati. And most of all: NOTHING HAPPENED ON TODAY Dec 21st, 2012.

As someone who basically wasted six years of my life on New Age stuff, what do I have to show for it? Some old Buddhist stuff about Joy in the moment? What the f*** is the point of channelled material if all it does is reproduce Zen and Buddhist material from forever ago?

Of course, I didn't expect anything to happen today. But now that today has finally come I guess I'm looking for final closure on this delusional part of my life. What does the New Age community have to offer?

The entire New Age community has been obsessed with THE NEW AGE. Ra said 2011. Mayans said 2012. Everyone said 2012. So much channelled material said so.

So where does the New Age community go from here? Are people just going to keep on like the entire community wasn't caught up in a mass delusion about a huge event happening today? Are people just going to pretend this never happened and keep harping on about love and light and ascension and the age of Aquarius and mayan prophecies and star children?

David Wilcock appears to be lost in his own ego-trip and sense of self-importance as a "public figure." I have come to the conclusion that David has fallen prey to the Orions (negative polarity). It happens VERY often to people that start with a positive polarity and desire of service to others. He has degenerated his teachings/information (which is mostly plagiarizing other people's research) to include questionable information from "whistle blowers" that rest him credibility because his/their "predictions" don't become reality. Actually Ra warned about this in his channeling/information to the group. David Wilcock lost all credibility for me and appears to be just another cheap guru for sale (with a gigantic ego to match).