To Vaccinate or Not

[Monica]

Also, just to clarify: There is a big difference between judicious use of selected vaccines in extremely high-risk areas, vs subjecting healthy infants to a cocktail of poisons for multiple diseases, and continuing to add to that list, creating a compounded risk factor. I mean, c'mon, Gardasil?? That is a classic example of vaccination frenzy! The drug industry is feeding off the parents' fears of every possible future risk. That's just criminal.

As I stated previously, in certain instances, the potential good might outweigh the risks, as in the case of rabies for cats and dogs, or tetanus for humans. There might be others in that category. (I wouldn't put flu in that category...that's a whole 'nother scam...an atrocity.) But even then, homeopathic vaccines do exist for all those diseases. And, that should be an individual decision, never mandated!

What's more, homeopathic nosodes can be created for new, mutated viruses...and they can be made instantly, within minutes, for literally pennies!

When/if there is a new plague - and that is a very high probability - a homeopathic vaccine could be created and administered swiftly, with very little cost or supplies, and without any risk of any adverse effects.

[Splash]

Monica - did you look at the information at the Médecins Sans Frontières link?

[Monica]

Monica - did you look at the information at the Médecins Sans Frontières link?

Yes I did. That's what I was referring to when I said they have good intentions. That particular organization may be nonprofit, but the industry producing the vaccines is most assuredly for profit.

I adamantly disagree with 'routine vaccinations as part of a basic healthcare program' especially in developing countries where the parents don't have access to enough educational resources to make an informed decision.

All of those diseases mentioned have homeopathic alternatives, not only for prevention, but also for treatment.

[Splash]

http://www.vaccinateyourbaby.org/pdfs/Va...dients.pdf 2013

Questions and Answers about Vaccine Ingredients
Q. What ingredients are in vaccines?
A. All vaccines contain antigens. Antigens make vaccines work. They prompt the body to create the immune response needed to protect against infection.
Antigens come in several forms. The form used in a vaccine is chosen because studies show it is the best way to protect against a particular infection.
Antigen forms include:
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Weakened live viruses.
They are too weak to cause disease but can still prompt and immune response.
Measles, mumps, rubella, rotavirus, chickenpox, and one type of influenza vaccines contain weakened live viruses.
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Inactivated (or killed) viruses.
These viruses cannot cause even a mild form of the disease, but the body still recognizes the virus and creates and immune response to protect itself.
In the United States, the polio, hepatitis A, influenza and rabies vaccines contain inactivated viruses.
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Partial viruses.
These are made up of the specific part of the dead virus that will prompt a protective immune response. Some vaccines are made this way including the hepatitis B and HPV vaccines.
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Partial bacteria.
These are made up of the specific part of the dead bacteria that will prompt a protective immune response. Some vaccines are made this way including the Hib, pneumococcal, meningococcal, diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (whooping cough) vaccines.
Vaccines also contain other ingredients, which help make them safer and more effective. They include:
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Preservatives. They keep the vials from getting contaminated with germs.
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Adjuvants.
They help the body create a better immune response. These are aluminum salts
.
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Additives.
They help the vaccine stay effective while being stored. Additives include gelatin, albumin, sucrose, lactose, MSG, and glycine.
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Residuals of the vaccine production process.
Some ingredients are needed to make the vaccine. Although these ingredients are removed, tiny (residual)
amounts are left in the final product. Depending on how the vaccine is made, it may include tiny amounts of antibiotics (neomycin), egg protein, or yeast protein.

Q. Are these other ingredients in vaccines safe?
A. Yes.
Q. Why are these other ingredients in vaccines?
A. Each ingredient has a specific function in a vaccine. These ingredients have been studied and are safe for humans
in the amount used in vaccines. This amount is much less than children encounter in their environment, food and
water.
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Aluminum salts.
Aluminum salts help your body create a better immune response to vaccines. Aluminum salts are necessary to make some of the vaccines we use more effective. Without an adjuvant like aluminum, people could need more doses of shots to be protected. Everyone is exposed to aluminum because there is much aluminum in the earth’s crust. It’s present in our food, air and water, including breast milk and
formula. The amount of aluminum in vaccines is similar to that found in 33 ounces of infant formula.
Aluminum has been used and studied in vaccines for 75 years and is safe.
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Formaldehyde.
Formaldehyde is used to detoxify diphtheria and tetanus toxins or to inactivate a virus. The tiny amount which may be left in these vaccines is safe. Vaccines are not the only source of formaldehyde your baby is exposed to.
Formaldehyde is also in products like paper towels, mascara and carpeting. Our bodies normally have formaldehyde in the blood stream and at levels higher than in vaccines.
•
Antibiotics.
Antibiotics, such as neomycin, are present in some vaccines to preventbacterial contamination
when the vaccine is made. Trace amounts of antibiotics in vaccines rarely, if ever, cause allergic reactions.
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Egg protein.
Influenza and yellow fever vaccines are produced in eggs, so egg proteins are present in the final product and can cause allergic reaction.
Measles and mumps vaccines are made in chick embryo cells in culture, not in eggs. The much smaller amount of remaining egg proteins found in the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine does not usually cause a reaction in egg allergic children.
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Gelatin.
Some vaccines contain gelatin to protect them against freeze -drying or heat.
People with severe allergies to gelatin should avoid getting gelatin - containing vaccines.

Q. Do vaccines contain antifreeze?
A: No. Antifreeze is typically made of ethylene glycol, which is unsafe.
Confusion has arisen, because polyethylene glycol (a chemical used personal care products like skin creams and toothpaste) is
used in vaccines and is safe. It is used to inactivate the influenza virus in some influenzavaccines. It is also used to purify other vaccines.

Q. Do vaccines contain mercury?
A: Almost all childhood vaccines do NOT contain any mercury. Methylmercury, which is found in fish and other animals (including humans) can be toxic and lead to adverse effects in humans. Thimerosal, a mercury -based preservative, was removed from most childhood vaccines in 2001.
Thimerosal contains a different form of mercury called ethylmercury, which is processed by the body very differently than methylmercury, and is not associated with the same adverse effects.
It is still present in some influenza vaccines. Thimerosal is still used in the manufacture of some vaccines to prevent contamination. The
thimerosal is removed at the end of the manufacturing process. In some cases, a tiny amount of thimerosal remains. The remaining amount is so small, that it is not possible for it to have any effect. Valid scientific studies have shown there is no link between thimerosal and autism. In fact, autism rates have actually increased since thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Medical Association (AMA), theCenters for Disease Control and Prevention CDC, and the Institute of Medicine (IOM) agree that science does not support a link between thimerosal in vaccines and autism. For the IOM report, go to http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3793/4705/4717.aspx
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Q. Do vaccines contain fetal tissue?
A. No.
A few vaccines involve growing the viruses in human cell culture. Two cell lines provide the cultures needed for producing vaccines. These lines were developed from two fetuses in the 1960s.
The fetuses were aborted for medical reasons, not for the purpose of producing vaccines. These cell lines have an indefinite life span, meaning that no new aborted fetuses are ever used. No fetal tissue is included in the vaccines, either, so children are not injected with
any part of an aborted fetus.

Q. Should vaccines be “greener”?
A. The amount of each additive used in vaccines is very small. In fact, we are exposed to much higher levels of these chemicals in our everyday lives. In vaccines, these ingredients are used to make the vaccine safer and more effective.
Each vaccine is tested many times to make sure it is safe and works. Taking ingredients out might affect the ability of the vaccine
to protect a child. Research is always being done to make sure that the ingredients in vaccines continue to be the safest and best available for children.

Copyright © American Academy of Pediatrics,
January 2013

[Splash]

"The first thing that you have to consider in any discussion about so called toxins in vaccines is that everyday compounds can be either beneficial or toxic depending on the quantity used. For example, let's consider water. No one would deny that it is important to drink plenty of water to remain healthy. But did you know that drinking too much water can kill you? While normal, healthy people have little to worry about, we still occasionally read stories about people actually dying from excess water consumption. But don't panic, usually this happens under extreme circumstances, like following long bouts of sweating due to intensive exercise or exposure to very hot days.

A second mistake that people make when looking at ingredients in vaccines is that the whole doesn't always equal the sum of its parts. A simple example of this theory can be found in the example of everyday table salt. Table salt is made of two very dangerous elements, chlorine and sodium. Chlorine is a dangerous gas; sodium is a highly reactive element that explodes when it comes into contact with water. Yet if you combine these two dangerous elements you get a very safe compound, simple table salt.

So before you classify a component as a 'toxin,' you must consider more than whether or not it is simply "in there." You have to look at the quantity, how it is used, whether it is combined with some other element, whether it is used as part of the production and then stripped back out, and many other factors.
Vaccines may include:

   Preservatives and stabilizers: Since 1968 the United States Code of Federal Regulations (the CFR) has required, in general, the addition of a preservative to multi-dose vials of vaccines; and worldwide, preservatives are routinely added to multi-dose vials of vaccine. Tragic consequences have followed the use of multi-dose vials that did not contain a preservative (including deaths) and have served as the driving force for this requirement.
   Thimerosal: A commonly known preservative thimerosal, was at the center of controversy a few years ago. Thimerosal, an ethylmercury based preservative, was phased out of vaccines in the late 1990s in an effort to reduce the overall burden of mercury from all environmental sources. Unlike the methylmercury found in the environment, however, ethylmercury is quickly excreted from the body. Numerous studies have shown that autism rates are no lower in children who received vaccines without thimerosal than those who did. Today, influenza is the only vaccine that still contains thimerosal as a preservative, and there is a thimerosal-free formulation available for administration to children.
   Formaldehyde: may be used as an antimicrobial. Formaldehyde effectively inactivates the organisms and biological substances used in vaccines. Formaldehyde is present in the environment and is a byproduct of metabolism so it is already present in the human body.
   Adjuvants: Aluminum has been used in some vaccines for over 75 years to improve the vaccine's performance by helping to stimulate the body's immune system to produce antibodies. Without the use of an adjuvant we would need to administer more shots in a given vaccine series or face lower immunity and less protection from the disease. Aluminum is also commonly found in food, water, infant formula and even breast milk.
   Egg Protein: Some vaccines are prepared in eggs. If your child has had an allergic reaction to eggs or egg products, you should be sure to discuss this with your child's doctor.

In addition to these ingredients you may have heard that vaccines contain products such as antifreeze and other outrageous components. This is not true. The claim of antifreeze being in vaccines comes from the use of polyethylene glycol in one brand of the flu vaccine to inactivate the virus. It is also used to purify certain vaccines. But polyethylene glycol is not antifreeze; it is just a component that is found in antifreeze, just as water is a component. Polyethylene glycol has a low toxicity,* and is used in a variety of products. It is the basis of a number of laxatives and skin creams, and is used as an irrigating solution in surgical procedures and in drug overdoses."

* Victor O. Sheftel (2000). Indirect Food Additives and Polymers: Migration and Toxicology. CRC, 1114-1116.
Additional Resources
http://www.vaccinateyourbaby.org/about/ingredients.cfm

[Monica]

Q. Are these other ingredients in vaccines safe?
A. Yes.

Sorry, but that's just garbage. NO ONE can unequivocally say that they are 'safe' because NO long-term studies have been done on combinations of multiple vaccines, across the board with different people with different genetic predispositions, plus different metabolic rates, not to mention interactions with myriad other drugs or toxins they might come into contact with. It just isn't possible to make such a broad, sweeping statement that they are 'safe'. I find that absolutely irresponsible, even criminal!

Q. Why are these other ingredients in vaccines?
A. Each ingredient has a specific function in a vaccine. These ingredients have been studied and are safe for humans
in the amount used in vaccines.

This too is garbage. I posted previously the quote from the medical system stating the 'safe' amount of these toxic substances, and showed that the number of vaccines given far exceeds that 'safe' amount, when the weight of the child is taken into consideration. I don't have time to repost it right now, but it's in a post from a few days ago.

Secondly, this:

This amount is much less than children encounter in their environment, food and water.

...is MORE garbage! Ingesting toxins by mouth, or breathing them in, is NOT - NOT!!! - the same as injecting them into the bloodstream! Furthermore, these toxins are preserved with formaldehyde, so they cannot be excreted via the normal metabolic and eliminative channels.

WHY do they conveniently fail to mention this obvious fact?

Formaldehyde.
Formaldehyde is used to detoxify diphtheria and tetanus toxins or to inactivate a virus. The tiny amount which may be left in these vaccines is safe. Vaccines are not the only source of formaldehyde your baby is exposed to.
Formaldehyde is also in products like paper towels, mascara and carpeting. Our bodies normally have formaldehyde in the blood stream and at levels higher than in vaccines.

Again, breathing in vapors is NOT the same as preserving poisons so that our bodies cannot break them down.

Q. Do vaccines contain mercury?
A: Almost all childhood vaccines do NOT contain any mercury. Methylmercury, which is found in fish and other animals (including humans) can be toxic and lead to adverse effects in humans. Thimerosal, a mercury -based preservative, was removed from most childhood vaccines in 2001.

Oh and WHY was it removed? Because parents made a stink about it! That's why!

In some cases, a tiny amount of thimerosal remains. The remaining amount is so small, that it is not possible for it to have any effect.

Did they seriously just say "not possible"?? Wow. What audacity!

If it 'has no effect' then why is there in the first place? They seriously expect us to believe that it has an effect on the vaccine, but not in our bodies? What kind of craziness is this?

Valid scientific studies have shown there is no link between thimerosal and autism. In fact, autism rates have actually increased since thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Medical Association (AMA), theCenters for Disease Control and Prevention CDC, and the Institute of Medicine (IOM) agree that science does not support a link between thimerosal in vaccines and autism.

Figures don't lie but liars can figure.

[Monica]

I'm done. I'm busy. I've posted plenty of info, so that anyone who is interested can do further research if they wish.

In my opinion, the use of vaccines is absolutely ludicrous, with very few exceptions. Safe, effective alternatives exist. Therefore, there is absolutely NO justification for injecting poisons, when alternatives exist.

Furthermore, the blatant propaganda, lying, and corruption rampant in the pharmaceutical industry is just evil. Yes, EVIL, as in, STS. I am incredulous that it is being defended here, when it is so obvious.

But then, we do have free will, eh?

Blessings to any parents out there who are struggling with this issue. I feel for you, I really do. I was in your shoes and I know what a difficult decision this is. You are fortunate, though, to have such easy access to such a wealth of resources.

My advice is to utilize them. Don't let anyone pressure you into injecting poisons into your precious newborn, or make you feel guilty for not vaccinating. YOU are responsible for your children! YOU will have to take care of them if they are injured. It's easy for other people to pressure you, but at the end of the day, only you can decide what is best for your children. Don't let anyone take that away from you.

[Shawnna]

[Splash]

http://justthevax.blogspot.com.au/2009/0...ehyde.html

"The Toxin Gambit Part 1: Formaldehyde
We will be conducting a multiple-part series describing some of the vaccine constituents that many consider 'toxins' or just have what the actual chemical is, just plain wrong. The first part of our series will be dedicated to information regarding formaldehyde, what it is, why it is in vaccines and any health implications. So thank you to Valo for your suggestion.

For the purpose of this series, it is important to understand the metric scale, not so much the actual measurements but their relationship to one another. For example, if a microgram (mcg) is a grain of sand, then a milligram (mg) is a slice of American cheese, so a gram (g) is an average 5.5 year-old boy and a kilogram (kg) would be 7 H2 Hummers. Again, these aren't actual weights, volumes or measurements, but rather, their differences on a visual scale.

Formaldehyde is a naturally-occurring chemical that can also be synthesised. The chemical formula is CH2O and is also known as methanal (not to be confused with methanol), formal and methyl aldehyde. It is also not to be confused with formalin, which is an aqueous solution of formaldehyde. Numerous isomers of formaldehyde exist but they are not formaldehyde. It is used in the manufacture of resins that are then used for the production of pressed wood products, paper, textile fibres, adhesives and plastics (EPA 2009 and WHO 2006). Of course, those involved with the manufacturing of products with formaldehyde may sustain occupational exposure and subsequent pathologies (EPA, 2009 and WHO, 2006). Formaldehyde is also a by-product of tobacco smoke and combustion reactions from stoves, kerosene space heaters and automobiles (EPA 2009).

Naturally occurring sources of formaldehyde are found in plants, fruits, vegetables, animals (including humans) and seafood (Mason et al. 2004 and Inchem 1989). Table 14 of the Environmental Health Programme on Chemical Safety: Formaldehyde, and Table 95.2, Chapter 95: Formaldehyde, lists some commonly-consumed foods and their formaldehyde concentrations. (Clary and Sullivan 2001 and Inchem 1989). In a study of Shiitake mushrooms, investigators reported formaldehyde concentrations of 100-300 mg/kg; this wide variation is a result of a combination of analysis techniques, naturally-occurring formaldehyde and also possible contamination with exogenous formaldehyde (Mason et al. 2004).

Formaldehyde is a normal, essential human metabolite with a biological half-life of about 1.5 minutes (Clary and Sullivan 2001). It is endogenously produced and is involved with methylation reactions for and biosynthesis of some proteins and nucleic acids. It is also rapidly metabolised to formate and excreted in urine or to carbon dioxide and exhaled (WHO, 2006 and Clary and Sullivan 2001). Some common routes of exposure for exogenous formaldehyde include dermal, from occupational handling, inhalation, from occupational exposure and environment, oral via dietary intake and of course, intramuscularly or subcutaneously from vaccines. (Franks 2005, Clary and Sullivan 2001 and Inchem 1989).

Human normal blood concentrations of formaldehyde are 2.74 +/- 0.14 mg/L (Franks 2005). The average adult male (86 kg) in the U.S. has a blood volume of 5.8 litres; the average adult female (74 kg) has a blood volume of 5.0 litres and an average 2 month old infant (5 kg), 0.43 litres. So this translates to 15.1-16.7 mg of normal formaldehyde range in an adult male, 13.0-14.4 mg in an adult female and 1.1-1.2 mg in a 2 month-old infant which works out to be 0.22-0.24 mg/kg (CHOP 2008 and Franks 2005). Using the visual scale provided earlier for the infant, that would be a little more than 1 slice of American cheese/35 H2 Hummers.

Toxic levels of formaldehyde can induce a variety of illness from localised skin/respiratory tract irritation to cancer (Bosetti et al. 2008, Sundstrom et al. 2001 and Pandley et al. 2000). Inhalation of 1.0-2.0 parts per million or ppm (ppm=mg/kg) is considered mildly irritating, while 3.0 ppm causes moderate eye irritation although there is variation of sensitivity in individuals (Sundstrom et al. 2001 and Inchem 1989). Chronic inhalation studies on rats and mice have resulted in nasal cavity squamous cell carcinomas, when exposed to levels above 6-15 ppm (Bosetti et al. 2008 and Clary and Sullivan 2001). Formaldehyde toxicity resulting in death occurs in humans at a volume of about 60-90ml (Pandey 2000). The CDC conducted a survey of 'travel trailers' used for displaced people from hurricanes Katrina and Rita and found levels ranging from 0.003-0.59 ppm with an average of 0.077 ppm (CDC 2008). Thus far, only symptoms of local irritation have been reported (CDC 2008). A 2005 study of single-family homes in 3 cities detected an average of 0.17 ppm and 0.016-0.025 ppm in travel trailers (Weisel et al. 2005).

Formaldehyde in vaccines is left over from the production process, where it serves a couple of different functions, depending upon the type of antigens used. Essentially, it is used for killing cells and/or inactivating toxins. For example, the diphtheria-tetanus-acellular pertussis vaccine is a toxoid vaccine. The toxins produced by the bacteria are what causes illness in humans and what we need antibodies against. The addition of formaldehyde internally cross-links the toxin and also cross-links it to other toxins, effectively detoxifying to eliminate pathogenicity. Viral vaccines such as influenza and hepatitis A vaccines utilise formaldehyde to inactivate viral activity, allowing the recipient to produce antibodies to the antigens without pathogenicity (Aunins et al. 2000).

The actual amount in vaccines is minuscule, even when considering an infant that receives the full CDC schedule. If you look at this table, it contains a list of vaccines and their final formaldehyde content. Not included in this table is Pentacel which contains 0.005mg of formaldehyde. If all vaccines are given as per the CDC recommendation and separately, the most a 2 month old infant would receive is 0.1204 mg of formaldehyde or 120.4 mcg. Going back to what normal formaldehyde levels for a 5kg, 2-month old infant are 1.1-1.2 mg or 0.22-0.24mg/kg so the total formaldehyde exposure from vaccines would raise that to 1.22-1.32 mg or raises the baseline level by less than 1 grain of sand/35 Hummers. Put another way, the amount contained within a vaccine is more than 50 times less than what is in a pear.

Given what is known about human formaldehyde metabolism, excretion and toxic levels, along with what is actually in vaccines, we hope that this gives some perspective about the safety of the amount of formaldehyde that an infant would receive via vaccines. There is simply no valid argument, beyond the scope of fear-mongering that formaldehyde exposure from vaccines is implicated in any health problems, whatsoever."

References:
Aunins JG, Lee AL, Volkin DB. Vaccine Production. In: Bronzino JD, ed. The Biomedical Engineering Handbook 2nd ed. Vol. 2. New York, NY: Springer Publishing; 2000. http://books.google.com/books?id=T2UIoAx...t&resnum=8. Accessed May 10, 2009:105-8—105-9.

Bosetti C, McLaughlin JK, Tarone RE, Pira E, La Vecchia C. Formaldehyde and cancer risk: a quantitative review of cohort studies through 2006 . Annals of Oncology. 2008; 19:29-43. http://annonc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/rep...9/1/29.pdf. Accessed May 10, 2009.

The Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP). Vaccine Education Center Web site. http://www.chop.edu/consumer/jsp/divisio...p?id=75809. Accessed May 10, 2009.

Clary JJ and Sullivan, Jr. JB. Formaldehyde. In: Sullivan, Jr. JB and Krieger GR, eds. Clinical Environmental and Toxic Exposures. 2nd ed. Philadelphia, PA: Lippincott, Williams and Wilkins; 2001. http://books.google.com/books?id=PyUSgdZ...=1#PPP1,M1. Accessed May 10, 2009:1007-1008 and 1010.

Indoor Air Quality. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Web site. http://www.epa.gov/iaq/formaldehyde.html. Accessed and link repaired Aug 1, 2012.

Franks SJ. A mathematical model for the absorption and metabolism of formaldehyde vapour by humans [abstract]. Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology. 2004; 206(3):309-320. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob...4141aefec1. Accessed May 10, 2009.

Environmental Health Criteria 89: Formaldehyde. International Programme on Chemical Safety (INCHEM) Web site. http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/...mber:5.1.4. Accessed May 10, 2009.

Mason DJ, Sykes MD, Panton SW, Rippon EH. Determination of naturally-occurring formaldehyde in raw and cooked Shiitake mushrooms by spectrophotometry and liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry [abstract]. Food Additives and Contaminants. 2004; Nov;21(11):1071-1082. http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content...0400013326. Accessed May 10, 2009.

Pandey CK, Agarwal A, Baronia A, Singh N. Toxicity of ingested formalin and its management [Abstract]. Human & Experimental Toxicology. 2000;Jun,19(6);360-366. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10962...Search&log$=citationsensor. Accessed May 10, 2009. PMID: 10962510.

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Weisel CP et al. Relationships of indoor, outdoor, and personal air (RIOPA). Part I. Collection methods and descriptive analyses [abstract]. Research Report (Health Effects Institute). 2005;Nov(130 Pt 1):1-107; discussion 109-127. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez...RVCitation. Accessed May 10, 2009. PMID: 16454009.

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[Bourbon Betty]

So.

HPV vaccine, in hindsight, worked exactly like I thought it would.

It turned :@ into

http://www.sott.net/article/297551-Tens-...cancer-jab

http://www.sott.net/article/269770-Lead-...eadly-scam

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/gardasi...girl-dead/

I find the connection of being given something that makes everyone you are sexually attracted to appear to be sleeping at all times in combination with the societal trend to be an effective treatment for sentience.

[Monica]

Ever wonder why formaldehyde is used in the EMBALMING PROCESS?

Embalming Chemicals

So the drug industry tells us it isn't toxic. Uh huh. How about some common sense here? What is the purpose of embalming?

[Minyatur]

I love how pratically everyone said they were out of this thread but end up coming back.

[Monica]

I love how pratically everyone said they were out of this thread but end up coming back.

Haha, guilty! 

[Monica]

3D Medicine: cut/poison/burn, causes harm (to varying degrees) along with its 'therapeutic' effects, has side effects (due to poisons), causes over 2 million hospitalizations and 106,000+ deaths each year, catalogs diseases, considers health to be the absence of identified diseases, focuses on physical/chemical even in cases of mental/emotional issues, focuses on death (killing disease, destroying tumors, etc.) rather than life

4D Medicine: Vibrational, harmless, never any sides effects, restores the blueprint for life, strengthens the immune system, considers diseases to be imbalances, which are then balanced through diet, lifestyle, and emotional/mental/spiritual adjustments, balances the whole mind/body/spirit complex, focuses on life rather than death

[Minyatur]

3D Medicine: cut/poison/burn, causes harm (to varying degrees) along with its 'therapeutic' effects, has side effects (due to poisons), causes over 2 million hospitalizations and 106,000+ deaths each year, catalogs diseases, considers health to be the absence of identified diseases, focuses on physical/chemical even in cases of mental/emotional issues, focuses on death (killing disease, destroying tumors, etc.) rather than life

4D Medicine: Vibrational, harmless, never any sides effects, restores the blueprint for life, strengthens the immune system, considers diseases to be imbalances, which are then balanced through diet, lifestyle, and emotional/mental/spiritual adjustments, balances the whole mind/body/spirit complex, focuses on life rather than death

That's what I thought yesterday that wasn't so apparent, all that you say is mostly toward leaving behind the old 3D system to move on to 4D. 

The old ways are fading away and new ways are to take their place!

[Monica]

That's what I thought yesterday that wasn't so apparent, all that you say is mostly toward leaving behind the old 3D system to move on to 4D. 

The old ways are fading away and new ways are to take their place!

Yes exactly! Right now we still have both, so we can choose.

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[indolering]

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http://www.hangthebankers.com/autism-doc...mage-dead/

Autism doctor who exposed vaccine damage found dead


A prominent autism researcher and vaccineopponent was found dead floating in a North Carolina river last week under what many are calling suspicious circumstances.

A fisherman found the body of Dr. James Jeffery Bradstreet in the Rocky Broad River in Chimney Rock, North Carolina, last Friday afternoon.
“Bradstreet had a gunshot wound to the chest, which appeared to be self inflicted, according to deputies,” reported WHNS.
In a press release, the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Office announced, “Divers from the Henderson County Rescue Squad responded to the scene and recovered a handgun from the river.”
An investigation into the death is ongoing, and the results of an autopsy are also reportedly forthcoming.
Dr. Bradstreet ran a private practice in Buford, Georgia, which focused on “treating children with Autism Spectrum Disorder, PPD, and related neurological and developmental disorders.”
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Among various remedies, Dr. Bradstreet’s Wellness Center reportedly carried out “mercury toxicity” treatments, believing the heavy metal to be a leading factor in the development of childhood autism.
Dr. Bradstreet undertook the effort to pinpoint the cause of the disease after his own child developed the ailment following routine vaccination.
“Autism taught me more about medicine than medical school did,” the doctor once stated at a conference, according to the Epoch Times’ Jake Crosby.
In addition to treating patients, Bradstreet has also offered expert testimony in federal court on behalf of vaccine-injured families and was founder and president of the International Child Development Resource Center, which at one time employed the much-scorned autism expert Dr. Andrew Wakefield as “research director.”
The circumstances surrounding Bradstreet’s death are made all the more curious by a recent multi-agency raid led by the FDA on his offices.
“The FDA has yet to reveal why agents searched the office of the doctor, reportedly a former pastor who has been controversial for well over a decade,” reported the Gwinnett Daily Post.
Social media pages dedicated to Bradstreet’s memory are filled with comments from families who say the deceased doctor impacted their lives for the better.
“Dr. Bradstreet was my son’s doctor after my son was diagnosed with autism. He worked miracles,” one Facebook user states. “At 16, my son is now looking at a normal life thanks to him. I thank him every day.”
“I will forever be grateful and thankful for Dr. Bradstreet recovering my son… from autism,” another person writes. “Treatments have changed my son’s life so that he can grow up and live a normal healthy life. Dr. Bradstreet will be missed greatly!”
A GoFundMe page has also been set up by one of Bradstreet’s family members seeking “To find the answers to the many questions leading up to the death of Dr Bradstreet, including an exhaustive investigation into the possibility of foul play.”
Despite his family requesting the public refrain from speculation, many are nevertheless concluding the doctor’s death to be part of a conspiracy.
“Self-inflicted? In the chest? I’m not buying this,” one person in the WHNS comments thread states. “This was a doctor who had access to pharmaceuticals of all kinds. This was a religious man with a thriving medical practice. Sorry, but this stinks of murder and cover-up.”
Another commentor had a more definitive conjecture:
“He did NOT kill himself! He was murdered for who he was speaking against, what he knew, and what he was doing about it. He was brilliant kind compassionate doctor with amazing abilities to heal. He was taken. Stopped. Silenced. Why would a doctor who had access to pharmaceuticals and could die peacefully shoot himself in the chest???? And throw himself in a river?? THIS IS OBVIOUS! MURDER!!”
Funeral arrangements for Dr. Bradstreet are still pending at the Cecil M. Burton funeral home in Shelby, Georgia.

[outerheaven]

So we are to believe he shot himself in the chest ... then jumped into a river, handgun and all??

Uh huh, well, that's a natural conclusion!

Don't get in the way of big business, it's bad for your health.

[Monica]

Anyone who thinks that a $300BILLION-a-year industry is free of corruption is just naive...or in denial.

[Monica]

To quote Steve Adler, founder of Sacred Chocolate:

This is truly a very dark time for California. I am deeply saddened by the fact that California recently passed a law enforcing the vaccination of children attending public or private school. The reality is that microbes can't be controlled. They will always mutate. That is why MORE and MORE and MORE vaccines are always developed. THIS IS HUGE BUSINESS FOR BIG PHARMA. THEY KNOW THAT. To QUOTE JESHUA (JESUS) in regards to this reality from "The Keys of Jeshua" (chap. 4) by Glenda Green: "It may shock you to know that all the world's bacteria have access to a single gene pool, which has provided an immense resource for adaptation and manifesting an array of breathtaking combinations and recombinations for 3 billion years! Any bacterium -- at any time -- has the ability to use accessory genes, provided by other strains, which permits it to function in ways its own DNA may not cover. The global trading of genes through DNA recombinations provides for almost endless adaptation possibilities. Therefore, what has been done to one has been done to all. Widespread use of antibacterial agents is both futile and disastrous. Future life sciences and medicine will comprehend the more effective use of agents to stimulate positive adaptation of bacteria, resulting in chains of supportive symbiosis. In the presence of love, these positive adaptations naturally occur. In the presence of hatred and fear, negative and resistant strains of bacteria are more likely. Life forms are ever-changing, and yet the basic chemistry of life remains the same. Do not cling to forms that are passing, but seek for an understanding of life that embraces and includes all possibilities. This is accomplished through integrating and expanding patterns and relationships. In this way, you will see God as the creative power of life. When I asked that you love one another, I was not just giving you a recipe for human fellowship. This is the doorway to life everlasting."
That being said, I believe that our right to choose should not always only be a personal choice. We MUST look out for the good of all and the health of all when we choose and that is precisely why I will stand UP for my rights and the rights of all in this case. There is NO EVIDENCE that this is necessary for the good of all, and in fact, all the study and research that has been done in a non-biased way and that has not been funded by people profiting off of vaccinations and big drug companies has shown this to be the case. So PLEASE involve yourself and your community in this issue and let's set this straight FAST! 
This was supposedly brought on by a measles outbreak at Disneyland leaving 100 people sick. First of all people are coming to Disneyland from all around the world, it is a germ haven and we'd be best to boost our immune systems, not destroy them with vaccinations. Listen to the part in this interview that talks about how measles was once described as a mild disease and then after the vaccine marketing launched the medical text book description changed to describe it as much worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpVmmPbd4Sk
I'm not a person who follows conspiracy theories, nor do I usually get too involved with politics or debates. For me, all that takes you out of the heart. What sets me off though is when my heart knows there is an injustice occurring. I will get involved in the SOLUTIONS to this predicament, and I'll see you there on the front lines of CHANGE by the People, for the People.
If you want more education on this look up: "Immunization - The Reality Behind the Myth" by Walene James | "Vaccines are they Really Save and Effective? by Neil Z. Miller | "Make an Informed Decision" by Meyer Eisenstein (pages 175-180 specifically deal with the Meningitis vaccine being pushed on 7th graders) - Look up papers or Lectures by Dr. Adiel Tel Oren as well to understand more about the real side effects, risks and damage that these vaccines are doing. There would not be over 100 publications on the dangers of vaccinations if there was not something to be looked at here.

[Monica]

Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims

[Monica]

The parents of a WA girl who has been awarded millions in damages after a defective flu jab left her severely disabled...

Mick and Kirsten Button’s daughter Saba was just 11 months old when she received the Fluvax shot in April 2010. The then toddler suffered a hypoxic brain injury, kidney, liver and bone marrow failure. She can now no longer walk and talk and needs round-the-clock care.

Three days after Saba was admitted at Princess Margaret Hospital, Fluvax was recalled. It is now banned for children under five. Her parents launched legal action against the vaccine’s manufacturer CSL which then launched a cross-claim against the State of WA and the Minister for Health.
...
“Her life expectancy has been significant shortened,” he said. “Her disabilities are profound and permanent. She will require constant care for the remainder of her life.”
...
After Saba was admitted to hospital in 2010, it emerged there had been more than 100 adverse reaction presentations to the vaccination at PMH that flu season.

But this information wasn’t passed on to the general public until after Saba was in the intensive-care unit. An independent inquiry found “serious deficiency’’ in reporting processes and slow responses by both state and federal authorities. It also concluded the Department of Health’s Communicable Disease Control Directorate was “informed of a significant rise in adverse reactions in early April 2010, but did not take any further action while they gathered data’’.

And here is one of many cases showing how vaccinations can actually make the disease worse, when vaccinated people get it anyway:

Woman who died of measles WAS vaccinated

A woman who became the first person to die of the measles in the U.S. in 12 years had been vaccinated against the disease, it has been revealed.
Health officials said she had the injection as a child but succumbed because she had a compromised immune system.
Dr. Jeanette Stehr-Green, the Clallam County health officer, told KOMO-TV the woman had been vaccinated as a child, but because she had other health problems and was taking medications that interfered with her response to an infection 'she was not protected.'

How many people have a compromised immune system? Injected poisons compromises the immune system! How many people take medications? Has this been factored in? Apparently not!

[Shemaya]

I just still find it unbelievable that mandated and forced vaccinations are accepted by people.  Whether you are for or against vaccines, whatever pseudoscience you believe to back up your ideas ( you is generic, not referring to a specific person) , that governments are forcing and mandating vaccines is an abomination.  There should not be penalties for declining or refusing vaccines.

There are just too many adverse occurrences after vaccination, that evidence can't be denied.

And now a doctor who was not  complying is found dead in a river?

Something is seriously f**** up.  Greed for power and domination of the planet and her people is my guess for the source of craziness we are discussing.  An STS agenda in Ra terms.

I say stop buying into the Sts agendas be it vaccines and healthcare, the economy, food production, education.

[ree]

It's rather impossible to talk about these issues not only bc there's distrust of science and little examination of data available (that shows a lot of contrary points to what's being said here), but heightened emotional charged as evidenced by hyperboles and whatnot. It's like personal distortions of similar kinds magnetize and create an oil-and-water division.

Looking at data on injury and other adverse effects of vaccines, you find it's not as high as people would like to think (if they are against this practice). Reading vax-lawsuits, you find many people with injury have pre-existing allergies that are not identified and/or pre-existing and non-diagnosed medical conditions that are exacerbated due to vaccines. If our technologies and practices allow for early detection we can lower risk of injury.

Second, the cost-analysis is pretty interesting. For each person who is afflicted with measles (for e.g.,), taxpayers pay approximately $140,000 per patient to treat and track the illness. The profit that pharma makes on these vaccines is small but sure, large in terms of actual $$. If you have an outbreak, pharma stands to make more money from treatment and equipments they sell to the health care industry (which is a much larger share of their profits to begin with). It's cheaper to prevent illness and to be healthy. 

Lastly, this issue around how we care for the immunocompromised (people who's immune system is too weak to tolerate live viruses) due to things like cancer treatment, the very young yet to be vaccinated, and under or un-vaccinated people such as pregnant women. Without the protection that is afforded to buffer them from illness (and sure, some don't believe in herd immunity), how are we going to protect them? In our advanced society, we have better health thanks to our food availability and health care, but we face potential risk in life-long, debilitating complications from illness and potentially disrupting the normal developmental path of children who are not vaccinated. That said, whatever literature is going around claiming how vaccinated kids are being affected by vaccines... tell me how pollution, how medications, environmental toxins that we are all exposed to on a continuous basis both in and out of our mothers' wombs would be less of a factor than vaccines in illnesses such as Autism Spectrum Disorder or other illnesses.

In other words, we are exposed to way more risk factors even without vaccines. And pls don't list the ingredients because that in itself cannot tell us of safety risks for people but give a sense of alarm based on just seeing toxins listed. I would rather take vaccines than antibiotics. 

California can be extreme but I think they will go hard and then adjust. I'm all for understanding the unique health needs of the child to determine what vaccines and when it's administered. Not how the medical industry does it now - just vaccine up the yin-yang bc it's in accordance with their 'standard of care.' Easy way to do business but doesn't consider the patient at all. That's a tragedy.

I'll post links re: info on data and cost-analysis later.

[Nicholas]

It's rather impossible to talk about these issues not only bc there's distrust of science and little examination of data available (that shows a lot of contrary points to what's being said here), but heightened emotional charged as evidenced by hyperboles and whatnot. It's like personal distortions of similar kinds magnetize and create an oil-and-water division.

Very well said. However it is possible for anyone of us to hold our light and navigate through the varying degrees of neurotic contributions, err on the side of compassion and supply factually based material (that includes anecdotal evidence to me). I believe part of the distrust with science is because the scientific way completely discards our intuitive guidance. Our mystic, or spiritual origins are met with disdain and derision from the scientific community. Take the heightened intuitive impulses of a child baring mother for example, my mother in particular had such a craving for tins and tins of cold peas its a wonder I wasn't born with green skin! What if there is an equally strong impulse from a mother who is fiercely against her child being vaccinated even though there is no scientific justification? Her please would be ignored and brushed aside as unqualified and unsuited to make such judgements.  
So the mechanistic, reductionist world view has an equal part to play in this distrust in my view.  

3.9 Questioner: I am reminded of the statement, approximately, if you had enough faith, you could say to a mountain to move and the mountain would move. I assume this is approximately what you are saying, and I am assuming that if you are fully aware of the Law of One, then you are able to do these things. Is that correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory distortion of sound, faith, is perhaps one of the stumbling blocks between those of what we may call the infinite path and those of the finite proving/understanding.

So if, with enough faith we could collectively move mountains then we could also eradicate disease by recognising the connection between ourselves, the creation about us, and ultimately of course the Creator that made all things possible.

Hygiene was a huge step forward in prevention, we can agree on that, yet there still remains a "what is good for me is more important than what is good for us all" philosophy. Our socio/economic framework points to that. Ra also agree here.

23.15 Questioner: I was really questioning more about the more basic cause of the disease rather than the mechanism of its transmission.I was going back to the root or thought which created the possibility of this disease. Could you shortly tell me if I am correct in assuming that the general reduction of thought over the long time on planet Earth with respect to an understanding of the Law of One created a condition in which this— what we call disease could develop? Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and perceptive. You, as questioner, begin now to penetrate the outer teachings.

The root cause in this particular society was not so much a bellicose action although there were, shall we say, tendencies, but rather the formation of a money system and a very active trading and development of those tendencies towards greed and power; thus, the enslaving of entities by other entities and the misapprehension of the Creator within each entity.

If our technologies and practices allow for early detection we can lower risk of injury.

Where there is risk there needs to be choice. When discussions of mandatory vaccinations reach the public domain, is it not surprising that personal distortions are drawn to the surface?

If you have an outbreak, pharma stands to make more money from treatment and equipments they sell to the health care industry (which is a much larger share of their profits to begin with). It's cheaper to prevent illness and to be healthy.

I would agree, for the good of the business it is much wiser to take little and often rather than go for the big kill.

Lastly, this issue around how we care for the immunocompromised (people who's immune system is too weak to tolerate live viruses) due to things like cancer treatment, the very young yet to be vaccinated, and under or un-vaccinated people such as pregnant women. Without the protection that is afforded to buffer them from illness (and sure, some don't believe in herd immunity), how are we going to protect them? In our advanced society, we have better health thanks to our food availability and health care, but we face potential risk in life-long, debilitating complications from illness and potentially disrupting the normal developmental path of children who are not vaccinated. That said, whatever literature is going around claiming how vaccinated kids are being affected by vaccines... tell me how pollution, how medications, environmental toxins that we are all exposed to on a continuous basis both in and out of our mothers' wombs would be less of a factor than vaccines in illnesses such as Autism Spectrum Disorder or other illnesses.

Yes there are environmental issues here that encompass far more than the vaccine discussion, they are all related in one way or another. We cannot separate the individual from its environment any more than we can separate the body from the mind. Major research institutions however still persist in doing so.

In other words, we are exposed to way more risk factors even without vaccines. And pls don't list the ingredients because that in itself cannot tell us of safety risks for people but give a sense of alarm based on just seeing toxins listed. I would rather take vaccines than antibiotics.

So would I! I feel vaccines essentially buy us some time and it would be unwise to get caught up in the hive minded currents on either side of the pro/anti debate.

...just vaccine up the yin-yang bc it's in accordance with their 'standard of care.' Easy way to do business but doesn't consider the patient at all. That's a tragedy.

"up the yin-yang" lol (assuming I have interpreted you correctly here). Joking aside though my partner had this experience. She was taken to a mental hospital and I was asked to leave. She soon deteriorated so was held down and thoroughly yin-yanged! As I became more informed about schizophrenia and metaphysics I realised the depth of her isolation. This was the main reason I became emotionally charged on this issue a few pages back. Although not related to vaccinations as such, but very related to the invasiveness and infringement aspect.

Plenum posted a brilliant Quo'te recently on the vaccine subject  

http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthrea...t=Vaccines

[Splash]

....Could we possibly come to a loose agreement that research towards vaccine safety needs to continue but that the most important measure to stop epidemics is vaccination for the main lethal diseases, and that an unvaccinated world population will produce PANDEMICS ?

Can we agree that education and transparency must be increased...  that we need to look into homoeopathy and greater vaccine safety - but primarily that we focus on improving safety - not advocating that people stop vaccination?

Can we agree that we have no idea of the harrowing experience of living with constant Epidemics that is the daily life or daily fear of a majority of people in 3rd world countries? and that we have no idea what it is like to experience the disease and death that occurs because of extreme poverty, polluted water, and continual Epidemics... ?

Lets put aside notions of conspiracy/big pharma/etc and realise this whole dialogue between us all is being had with full stomachs, access to ER's, via the luxury of electricity, close by clean running water... and sanitary bathrooms/toilets ?

Lets agitate for more and more accountability from government and medical personnel..  not advocate overall rejection to all vaccines...

(I've said it before).. but if the illuminati (exists) and wants to reduce the population - anti-vaxx are playing right into their hands with this advocacy...

I hear the parents who experienced the change in their child... I care -  I've looked after their child - 8 hrs a day 5 days a week... (some still think it was the vaccine..but most now don't).

I maintain that there's no point in having an unvaccinated "undamaged" child living in a world where diphtheria/cholera/ebola - etc is only a plane ride (or 2) from infecting them when they go to the local mall...


Lets shift all this 'right-fighting' to SOLUTIONS.. lets work together on B4 forums to discuss with each other constructive ideas/ plans of action (think global ACT LOCAL) and stop criticising each other  - and complaining about our (perceived) lack of power

and lets brainstorm/co-create research/accountability/ transparency to the best extent we can in our immediate environments etc

because this (like the meat issue) is going to go on and on and on and on... sapping energy, taking us from constructive offline activism.

(btw: I'm very interested in homeopathy/water imprinting 4D medicine and energy healing modalities ) (I'm an Usui Reiki 'practitioner' since 1994


Monica and indolering... if you have spare time at any point during your day, would you have a look at this link and learn about the numerous programmes in 3rd world countries to save lives through vaccination? If not.. okay... but if yes.. that would be really good...

http://www.msf.org/topics/vaccination

when you scroll to the bottom of the page there are individual articles you can go to.. and many many pages to go to...

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this is the "About" information for 'MSF':

Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) is an international, independent, medical humanitarian organisation that delivers emergency aid to people affected by armed conflict, epidemics, natural disasters and exclusion from healthcare. MSF offers assistance to people based on need, irrespective of race, religion, gender or political affiliation.

Our actions are guided by medical ethics and the principles of neutrality and impartiality.

A worldwide movement

MSF was founded in Paris, France in 1971. Its principles are described in the organisation's founding charter. It is a non-profit, self-governed organisation.

Today, MSF is a worldwide movement of 24 associations, bound together as MSF International, based in Switzerland.

Thousands of health professionals, logistical and administrative staff – most of whom are hired locally – work on programmes in some 70 countries worldwide.

Humanitarian action

MSF's work is based on humanitarian principles. We are committed to bringing quality medical care to people caught in crisis, regardless of race, religion or political affiliation.

MSF operates independently. We conduct our own evaluations on the ground to determine people’s needs. More than 90 per cent of our overall funding comes from millions of private sources, not governments.

MSF is neutral. We do not take sides in armed conflicts, we provide care on the basis of need, and we push for independent access to victims of conflict as required under international humanitarian law.

Bearing witness and speaking out

MSF medical teams often witness violence and neglect in the course of their work, largely in regions that receive scant international attention.

At times, MSF may speak out publicly in an effort to bring a forgotten crisis to public attention, to alert the public to abuses occurring beyond the headlines, to criticise the inadequacies of the aid system, or to challenge the diversion of humanitarian aid for political interests.

Quality medical care

MSF rejects the idea that poor people deserve third-rate medical care and strives to provide high-quality care to patients. In 1999, when MSF was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, the organisation announced the money would go towards raising awareness of and fighting against neglected diseases.

Through the Access Campaign, and in partnership with the Drugs for Neglected Diseases initiative, this work has helped lower the price of HIV/AIDS treatment and stimulated research and development for medicines to treat malaria and neglected diseases like sleeping sickness and kala azar.

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"We Can Work It Out" The Beatles

Try to see it my way
Do I have to keep on talking till I can't go on?
While you see it your way
Run the risk of knowing that our love may soon be gone
We can work it out
We can work it out

Think of what you're saying
You can get it wrong and still you think that it's alright
Think of what I'm saying
We can work it out and get it straight, or say good night
We can work it out
We can work it out

Life is very short, and there's no time
For fussing and fighting, my friend
I have always thought that it's a crime
So I will ask you once again

Try to see it my way
Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong
While you see it your way
There's a chance that we may fall apart before too long
We can work it out
We can work it out

Life is very short, and there's no time
For fussing and fighting, my friend
I have always thought that it's a crime
So I will ask you once again

Try to see it my way
Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong
While you see it your way
There's a chance that we may fall apart before too long
We can work it out
We can work it out



Splash

[ree]

Thanks for your thoughtful response, Nick.

 However it is possible for anyone of us to hold our light and navigate through the varying degrees of neurotic contributions, err on the side of compassion and supply factually based material (that includes anecdotal evidence to me). I believe part of the distrust with science is because the scientific way completely discards our intuitive guidance. Our mystic, or spiritual origins are met with disdain and derision from the scientific community.

That is true, I agree, that science attempts to lean far into objectivist territory thus cutting out more intuitive wisdom. It’s like an air bubble that you squish. The objection is not really that intuitive knowing is inferior or wrong, but that it does not have balance with other data e.g., scientifically derived ones. Ra talked about the vagaries of intuition & limits of rational thinking, and offered word of wisdom (aka WoW) for balance of both. wow lol. A good example of a balanced intuition and rationality is Dr. Paul Parsall who wrote the book The Heart’s Code. Our first-Native Hawaiian psychologist (yay) who talked about his studies w/ heart transplant patients and his own journey around using intuition and science in his successful treatment of terminal cancer.

 Ra: The function of intuition is to inform intelligence. In your illusion the unbridled predominance of intuition will tend to keep an entity from the greater polarizations due to the vagaries of intuitive perception. As you may see, these two types of brain structure need to be balanced in order that the net sum of experiential catalyst will be polarization and illumination, for without the acceptance by the rational mind of the worth of the intuitive faculty the creative aspects which aid in illumination will be stifled. (49.4)

 So if, with enough faith we could collectively move mountains then we could also eradicate disease by recognising the connection between ourselves, the creation about us, and ultimately of course the Creator that made all things possible.



Hygiene was a huge step forward in prevention, we can agree on that, yet there still remains a "what is good for me is more important than what is good for us all" philosophy. Our socio/economic framework points to that. Ra also agree here.  

Yes, great, let’s keep up w/ faith and do the action bit to maintain low prevalence of preventable, communicable illnesses! 
 
It’s hard to argue public health policy vs. person choice bc people come up with reasons why herd immunity is bunk based on someone’s theoretical paper that could also be bunked.

In the State of California-ay-ay, people did have the freedom to choose until an unfortunate outbreak, and they now don’t want the drama of repeating it after citizen outrage twds the rich-hippies of Marin County (jk lol I lived there, they are cool funny people). I’m sure they will be relaxed again soon. It’s reactive policy. Like the air bubble, it’s hard to get a win-win situation here. That’s our social catalyst.

US prob would not want to go through the same issue as the UK and France with the on-going measles or whooping cough outbreak. Europe actually has a more widespread issue w/measles outbreaks than in US. Not reported as much a problem bc people are not as charged up as in the US. Still, man, I've been around whooping-cough outbreaks in 3rd world America, it's painful... and so preventable.

 Where there is risk there needs to be choice. When discussions of mandatory vaccinations reach the public domain, is it not surprising that personal distortions are drawn to the surface?

If we’re going to talk about risks and mandatory action then let me ask, why do we have traffic laws?  No one complains that the red-light violates their free will to move closer to their desired destination… and traffic accidents are more prevalent than vaccine injury and whatnot. We can have ongoing discussions are how we regulate and what, and improve policies so it fits the society. 

 Yes there are environmental issues here that encompass far more than the vaccine discussion, they are all related in one way or another. We cannot separate the individual from its environment any more than we can separate the body from the mind. Major research institutions however still persist in doing so.

There are ways to incorporate complex factors in research studies but as deductive method of scientific inquiry goes, it is limited in its ability to view a phenomenon from a more whole-istic perspective by reducing the picture into little factors (small view). I’m a big time advocate of inductive (and mixed with deductive) inquiry to be able to understand the ‘bigger picture’ but we’re told by mainstream we’re kind of mental lol. 

Just as a side-note… and I hate to bring this up but a public person who is a huge advocate for the autism-vaxx link was using heavy drugs in this person’s Bunny days. This is from first-hand account. Why not consider the possibility that this maternal-health factor was involved? Am I getting a bit too conspiracy-ish :p

 I feel vaccines essentially buy us some time and it would be unwise to get caught up in the hive minded currents on either side of the pro/anti debate.

Certainly, for all we know we could all have different pieces correct or wrong or whatever. Pro/anti debates tend to stay in the extremes and not balance out. But if we look at it  dynamically, the reason why one side pushes extreme anti is bc the pro-side is just as extreme and dogmatic. The pro-side would react, the anti-side would react and we have a gridlock situation. This is how politics is played, kind of divide-and-conquer situation. This stonewalling does both side no good because now we are stuck. Once again, we have an air bubble... squish squish.

In terms of the conspiracy aspect that continues to prevail, isn’t this what Ra in their Wow (wow!) referred to as ‘reverting to orange’ to seek self again (41.14)?

  In third density, at this time, those clinging to orange ray have a much more complex system of distortions through which orange ray is manifested. This is somewhat complicated. We shall endeavor to simplify.


The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.

 Yay seeking self again.

Distrust and dissent is great. You get to question status quo. That is part of discernment. When it gets reactionary and aggressive, it kind of shifts the pro/anti debate to a highly polarized, gridlocked sphere. I’m sorry to offend any conspiracy theorists out there... but you might want to learn from Monica’s example. Monica makes sense when she talks about these issue with the set of evidence she presents vs. just telling us about the bad-men trying to get us. I may not agree with Monica but I respect her method of presentation... it’s relatable, understandable.

 "up the yin-yang" lol (assuming I have interpreted you correctly here). Joking aside though my partner had this experience. She was taken to a mental hospital and I was asked to leave. She soon deteriorated so was held down and thoroughly yin-yanged! As I became more informed about schizophrenia and metaphysics I realised the depth of her isolation. This was the main reason I became emotionally charged on this issue a few pages back. Although not related to vaccinations as such, but very related to the invasiveness and infringement aspect.

lol just means ‘a lot’. Psychiatry is so phucked up. It’s kind of seeing illness rather than the needs of the person in distress. It’s not a person but a body with medical issues. I understand what you’re saying and why you were emotionally charged. When I was studying public health w/ medical doctors I wanted to get all sassy and ask if medical school taught them how to be humans and consider others’ needs… but not all dr.s are like that. Their education is geared towards knowledge and logic bc it is a complex job. 

Medicine and psychiatry and some psychologists follow the medical model so I think all they know to do is to medicate and manage immediate problems that makes the patient easier to handle (and for safety of patient). It’s just lacking in human decency and basic human, loving touch. But i’m a totally jaded psych person. 

[Monica]

Plenum posted a brilliant Quo'te recently on the vaccine subject  

I think many, if not most, of the Quo'tes are brilliant, but this is one of the few I find to have more distortion, likely colored by the channel's biases. Not because I disagree with it, necessarily, but because it seems to have a more human flavor (in contrast to the Ra Material). This is common with consciously channeled material in general, though less so with Q'uo thanks to Carla's diligence.

[Monica]

In other words, we are exposed to way more risk factors even without vaccines. And pls don't list the ingredients because that in itself cannot tell us of safety risks for people but give a sense of alarm based on just seeing toxins listed. I would rather take vaccines than antibiotics.

Toxins are poisons. But you don't want to see which poisons are being injected into your body?

I find this entire discussion absurd. We speak of lofty 4D ideals, yet still defend outdated medical practices which rely on introducing poisons into the the body complex. This is just too absurd for me.

[ree]

In other words, we are exposed to way more risk factors even without vaccines. And pls don't list the ingredients because that in itself cannot tell us of safety risks for people but give a sense of alarm based on just seeing toxins listed. I would rather take vaccines than antibiotics.

Toxins are poisons. But you don't want to see which poisons are being injected into your body?

I find this entire discussion absurd. We speak of lofty 4D ideals, yet still defend outdated medical practices which rely on introducing poisons into the the body complex. This is just too absurd for me.

No, it's misleading to list ingredients and say look at all the toxins w/o considering how much of each substance is in a vaccine, and what we know can happen in humans at that amount. Very clever fear tactic.

Maybe animals are more important than infants, under-vaccinated mothers to be, immunocompromised etc. Actually, debating in this manner is absurd, right?