Ra-horakte

[βαθμιαίος]

the problem is, in an environment in which you are mixed with negatives, there is no standoff. they come and force you, physically. (any physicality of the relevant density of course).

What density are you talking about here? The only density where positives and negatives mix is third. Or are you suggesting that, say fifth-density negatives are going to invade a fifth-density positive planet?

Their numbers are perhaps one-tenth ours at any point in the space/time continuum as the problem of spiritual entropy causes them to experience constant disintegration of their social memory complexes. Their power is the same as ours.

There's no mention in that quote of balance.

one can judge that, the average number of 4d joining battle from negative would be less than the average no joining from 4d positive.

Even if there's only one, they should, according to you, be easily able to defeat three positive social memory complexes. (You say they're ten times stronger, after all.) And yet, they don't. Maybe your theory is wrong.

also, it is not required that all the parties use all their available power at that time.

How is this relevant? Are you saying that the negatives could defeat the positives but hold themselves back? Seems unlikely.

however, the balance quote talks about overall balance, and it is as thus, it seems.

Which quote? The one you gave above doesn't mention overall balance.

still irrelevant - 4, 5, 6d memory complexes are still not infinite themselves. even this universe, is not infinite, when all the entities and all kinds of manifestations inside it are brought together. it is just one of the infinite numbers of universes and other manifestations.

You are confusing creation and Creator. Ra says, "their power is the same as ours." That's because the power is the Creator.

leaving all these aside, what matters is, how the 'internal choice' prevents enslavement.
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moreover, there is still the question that how contact with intelligent infinity prevents enslavement of positive, without infringing on the will of the negative.

Will and faith prevent enslavement in whatever way is appropriate given the situation at hand. If you're talking specifically about white magic, Ra answers that here: "72.8 ...The use of the light forms being generated is such as to cause such entities to discover a wall through which they can not pass. This is due to the energy complexes of the light beings and aspects of the One Infinite Creator invoked and evoked in the building of the wall of light."

But it seems like you're going through a lot of mental gyrations to avoid embracing your dark side. How do you know for sure that the figures in your dream aren't part of you?

[Ali Quadir]

Wow so many ways in which to interpret Ra's words... Perhaps there is something to that distortion of freedom of will...

[Peregrinus]

I don't think Unity100 suggested that negative entities are ten times more powerful.

I understand he stated their incarnate physical numbers are 1/10th of the overall population, though I would suggest that the actual number to be far less than that, at the very most 4%. In addition, though this is what may be statistically possible, it is highly unlikely that number is being met, the same as 51% requirement for ascension of sto is not being met.

[βαθμιαίος]

I don't think Unity100 suggested that negative entities are ten times more powerful.

This is what he wrote:

the blue underlined part states that, their number is 1/10th of confederation, their power is the same as confederation. and there occurs balance. that means, an average negative should be 10 times stronger than an average positive entity ( of probably equal advancedness ) for there to to be balance. of course this last detail can be a matter of debate, but, 1/10 number = equal power equation, still remains.

I understand he stated their incarnate physical numbers are 1/10th of the overall population, though I would suggest that the actual number to be far less than that, at the very most 4%. In addition, though this is what may be statistically possible, it is highly unlikely that number is being met, the same as 51% requirement for ascension of sto is not being met.

The discussion wasn't about the percentage here on earth, it was about the percentage of social memory complexes that are positive or negative. Ra said that there were approximately 1/10 as many negative as positive.

[Peregrinus]

I missed that, sorry. I am not trying to be argumentative here; I only wish to offer clarity. The overall negative may be equal in power to the overall positive, but numbers-wise there is a lot more which weight the balance that are in the middle (think multiple children on a see-saw, the heaviest on the outside, and lesser weighted inbetween) as well. All are not either positive or negative, for the majority lie in the sinkhole of indifference still. I would suggest that this does not make the negative entity ten times more powerful, only, on average, ten times more polarized.

[unity100]

What density are you talking about here? The only density where positives and negatives mix is third. Or are you suggesting that, say fifth-density negatives are going to invade a fifth-density positive planet?

you are in 3d as of this moment.

There's no mention in that quote of balance.

'Their power is the same as ours.' and 'Law of One blinks to the neither side', means, there is balance. moreover, similarly the same thing can be seen in the balancing act of guardian windows.

Even if there's only one, they should, according to you, be easily able to defeat three positive social memory complexes. (You say they're ten times stronger, after all.) And yet, they don't. Maybe your theory is wrong.

the balance theory is not a theory, moreover its not mine. see above.

and accordingly, apparently they would, so that means that both sides are bringing equal force into the conflicts in all occasions.

How is this relevant? Are you saying that the negatives could defeat the positives but hold themselves back? Seems unlikely.

see above.

You are confusing creation and Creator. Ra says, "their power is the same as ours." That's because the power is the Creator.

if their power was the creator, than they would have the power to not only conquer this particular universe, but infinite number of universes. because, the 'creator' is much more than this universe.

similarly, if positives' power was the 'creator', same would happen positively.

the fact that the 'creator' manifests in positive and negative in a particular universe, yet the universe doesnt get conquered or positivised by either party, means that there is balance, and it means that since they are 1/10 of confederation's numbers, that means that there is balance in such a fashion and numbers.

Will and faith prevent enslavement in whatever way is appropriate given the situation at hand. If you're talking specifically about white magic, Ra answers that here: "72.8 ...The use of the light forms being generated is such as to cause such entities to discover a wall through which they can not pass. This is due to the energy complexes of the light beings and aspects of the One Infinite Creator invoked and evoked in the building of the wall of light."

you are missing the point, maybe intentively.

usage of infinite energy to stop others' willed action, is no different than using infinite energy to dominate others, in philosophical principle. with positive philosophy, the entity requesting that protection, or the entities providing that protection with ANY means, be it a wall of light, be it a call in the name of infinite intelligence, should have let that other entity have its way, according to its will.

but its not happening that way. entities, even if it is not the entity who is requesting protection, are acting, and stopping the other entity's will. the other entity, cannot manifest its will. its actions are stopped, not accepted.

But it seems like you're going through a lot of mental gyrations to avoid embracing your dark side. How do you know for sure that the figures in your dream aren't part of you?

the side discussion ensued with you are not relevant to my situation. the discussion has been developing in this branch in a different manner.

i have no qualms in embracing my dark side.

however, others' dark sides, regardless of one's embracing of one's own, will continue to act according to their will, inside and outside dreamscape.

one entity cannot embrace all other entities' dark sides.

I understand he stated their incarnate physical numbers are 1/10th of the overall population, though I would suggest that the actual number to be far less than that, at the very most 4%. In addition, though this is what may be statistically possible, it is highly unlikely that number is being met, the same as 51% requirement for ascension of sto is not being met.

i think that if Ra gave numbers, they included incarnate and disincarnate entities. at least, it seems like they accounted as such in the response they gave about densities and their distribution in this galaxy.

[βαθμιαίος]

I would suggest that this does not make the negative entity ten times more powerful, only, on average, ten times more polarized.

I don't think negative entities are ten times more polarized. Ra says (19.17) that positively-polarized entities can switch to negative and vice-versa, and that it is equally difficult to attain a grade of 95% negative as 51% positive. I interpret that to mean that harvestable positive entities are equally as polarized as harvestable negative entities.

you are in 3d as of this moment.

Very true. So when you asked about preventing enslavement, were you asking about preventing enslavement by third-density entities?

'Their power is the same as ours.' and 'Law of One blinks to the neither side', means, there is balance.

It means there's a balance of opportunity for each side. It doesn't mean that a negative entity is ten times more powerful.

the balance theory is not a theory, moreover its not mine. see above.

It's your theory that the negative entities are more powerful that seems to be inaccurate.

if their power was the creator, than they would have the power to not only conquer this particular universe, but infinite number of universes.

No, because the positives have the same power and can stop them.

similarly, if positives' power was the 'creator', same would happen positively.

No, because the positive polarity respects free will. It doesn't impose its will on others.

you are missing the point, maybe intentively.

Not at all. You asked what the mechanism was that prevented negative enslavement. The quote I gave explained how one such mechanism, white magic, works.

usage of infinite energy to stop others' willed action, is no different than using infinite energy to dominate others, in philosophical principle. with positive philosophy, the entity requesting that protection, or the entities providing that protection with ANY means, be it a wall of light, be it a call in the name of infinite intelligence, should have let that other entity have its way, according to its will.

No. I gave a quote that addressed this earlier. Rejecting the negative offer of enslavement preserves free will.

67.26 ...You have here a balanced and polarized view of the Creator; two services offered, mutually rejected, and in a state of equilibrium in which free will is preserved and each allowed to go upon its own path of experiencing the One Infinite Creator.

but its not happening that way. entities, even if it is not the entity who is requesting protection, are acting, and stopping the other entity's will. the other entity, cannot manifest its will. its actions are stopped, not accepted.

Right, and that's a good thing.

one entity cannot embrace all other entities' dark sides.

That's exactly what you do in seventh density and, correspondingly, in violet-ray work. You embrace all that there is, including all other entities' dark sides.

[unity100]

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i think this branch of discussion have exhausted its usability. i will just reply to the below bit, since it is important.

one entity cannot embrace all other entities' dark sides.

That's exactly what you do in seventh density and, correspondingly, in violet-ray work. You embrace all that there is, including all other entities' dark sides.

that cannot be as such. for starters, a finite entity can never encompass infinity by itself. only infinite numbers of finite entities (all finites) come together and encompass infinity.

it is probably why 6d harvest is a societal complex one. it is probably why both all the entities have totalities, and, the societal complex they belong to also have a totality of its own.

this can be expanded on to galaxy first, then to the entire universe, then to entire universes, and beyond, probably.

and hence, infinite numbers of finites harmonizing at a certain point during an infinite time, constitute infinity.

[βαθμιαίος]

Since this thread seems to have merged with the freedom one, I have posted my reply there.