Random Ra Material Questions

[Spaced]

I'm having a hard time understand this quote:

Questioner: What is everlasting rock?

Ra: I am Ra. If you can understand the concept of thought-forms you will realize that the thought-form is more regular in its distortion than the energy fields created by the materials in the rock which has been created through thought-form from thought to finite energy and beingness in your, shall we say, distorted reflection of the level of the thought-form.

May we answer you in any more helpful way?

anyone have some insight?

[Steppingfeet]

I'm having a hard time understand this quote:

anyone have some insight?

Questioner: What is everlasting rock?

Ra: I am Ra. If you can understand the concept of thought-forms you will realize that the thought-form is more regular in its distortion than the energy fields created by the materials in the rock which has been created through thought-form from thought to finite energy and beingness in your, shall we say, distorted reflection of the level of the thought-form.

May we answer you in any more helpful way?

Dunno if I'm right, but here's my thought-forms on the matter.

A descending model of involution:

 
Thought-form

• “more regular” than matter
  

 
Matter

• “energy fields created by the material in the rock”, that is, the rock that we see and can measure
  
• Matter has been “created through thought-form,” “from thought to finite energy,” into “beingness” in our third-density illusion. Ra calls this beingness in our illusion our “distorted reflection of the level of thought-form”.
  

[Shemaya]

" distorted reflection of the level of thought form"

That says to me that there is a Divine plan and blueprint to which we can align our thoughts and energies toward. It's a comforting idea. Our manifestations have swayed from the original intent, but we can re- align and get on track.

[anagogy]

I'm having a hard time understand this quote:

Questioner: What is everlasting rock?

Ra: I am Ra. If you can understand the concept of thought-forms you will realize that the thought-form is more regular in its distortion than the energy fields created by the materials in the rock which has been created through thought-form from thought to finite energy and beingness in your, shall we say, distorted reflection of the level of the thought-form.

May we answer you in any more helpful way?

anyone have some insight?

As anything becomes manifest, it has to go through a series of gradational transformations from the unmanifest to the manifest.  From the invisible to the visible.  From the intangible to the tangible.  From pure undistorted time/space to distorted space/time.

For example, if you were going to paint a picture of "freedom", what images would you use to express that concept?  

Those images would be the "thought form" of the thought, or the symbols of expression where the intangible thoughts are "clothed" or encapsulated into tangible 3-dimensional imagery.

76.3 Questioner: Of the three things you mentioned that we could do for the instrument’s benefit, would you clarify the last one? I didn't quite understand that.

Ra: I am Ra. As the entity which you are allows its being to empathize with another being, so then it may choose to share with the other-self those energies which may be salubrious to the other-self. The mechanism of these energy transfers is the thought or, more precisely, the thought-form for any thought is a form or symbol or thing that is an object seen in time/space reference.

The physical world is even further down the line of that thought's tangible evolution, hence why it is an even more distorted reflection of the original thought.  Here, the tangible evolution of consciousness has continued to hold sway to the point where the original intangible thought has been lost to the conscious minds altogether, and what the manifest form's inner consciousness is is anybody's guess, albeit the most adept shamans.  As you proceed upwards through the subtle planes, you move closer and closer to Original Thought beyond all forms.

Anyway, I hope this was of some small illumination.

[andreazzi]

According to Ra, those negative entities, here on Eath, which have achieved harvestability on the service-to-self path, are free to kill, rape, enslave, cheat, etc., for this is their 'picnic'. As examples we have Taras Bulba, Genghis Khan, and Rasputin, who, instead of paying for all the lives destroyed, during their own bloody lives, are now enjoying the freedom and power of fourth density.

So, my question is: What makes harvestable negative entities immune to karma? It means that if an entity is enough of a badass, it is literally free to destroy anyone's life without any spiritual debt? Where is the law of reaction, also called karma, in this situation? Love of self indeed neutralizes the spiritual effects of hating others?

[AnthroHeart]

I think we choose to repay karma by choosing another life to balance it out. The negatives probably choose to ignore their karma.

[Minyatur]

I think we choose to repay karma by choosing another life to balance it out. The negatives probably choose to ignore their karma.

I don't think karma can be ignored, it is time/space lessons popping out in space/time.

[anagogy]

According to Ra, those negative entities, here on Eath, which have achieved harvestability on the service-to-self path, are free to kill, rape, enslave, cheat, etc., for this is their 'picnic'. As examples we have Taras Bulba, Genghis Khan, and Rasputin, who, instead of paying for all the lives destroyed, during their own bloody lives, are now enjoying the freedom and power of fourth density.

So, my question is: What makes harvestable negative entities immune to karma? It means that if an entity is enough of a badass, it is literally free to destroy anyone's life without any spiritual debt? Where is the law of reaction, also called karma, in this situation? Love of self indeed neutralizes the spiritual effects of hating others?

Basically, the negative entities are not immune to karma from my perspective.

Karma, as I understand it, is the natural attraction of experiences that will smooth out distortions.  Essentially, the natural impetus of consciousness is to seek balance.   We are all on our way back to the one, whether we try to do it or not. Water will seek its level. Balance will eventually win out.  

If you give to the whole, the whole gives back to balance that distortion.  If you take from the whole, the whole takes from you.  The second path is the path of the negative beings.  They are free to pursue this path of balancing if they so desire.  It is almost like a sacrifice which they learn to endure.  Basically you can balance by inflow/outflow or outflow/inflow.  Negative beings balance what the universe takes from them by ever more increased serving of self.  As long as there is a never ending flow in (which occurs with contact with intelligent infinity), the universe can never take enough back in its balancing process to cut off the flow.  The same goes for STO, there is a never ending stream of resources coming in, to balance that which is being given to others.

Ra: [...]
The Law of One blinks neither at the light or the darkness, but is available for service to others and service to self. However, service to others results in service to self, thus preserving and further harmonizing the distortions of those entities seeking intelligent infinity through these disciplines.

Those seeking intelligent infinity through the use of service to self create the same amount of power but, as we said, have constant difficulty because of the concept of separation which is implicit in the manifestations of the service to self which involve power over others. This weakens and eventually disintegrates the energy collected by such mind/body/spirit complexes who call the Orion group and the social memory complexes which comprise the Orion group.

It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. The laws, which are the primal distortions of the Law of One, then are placed into operation and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made. Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly.

So, in a way, you are right, if their pull upon others is strong enough, they are constantly replenishing what the universe takes back.  It all depends how purely they are drawing on intelligent infinity.  They could easily end up crashing and burning if there polarity gets significantly damaged however.

[APeacefulWarrior]

According to Ra, those negative entities, here on Eath, which have achieved harvestability on the service-to-self path, are free to kill, rape, enslave, cheat, etc., for this is their 'picnic'. As examples we have Taras Bulba, Genghis Khan, and Rasputin, who, instead of paying for all the lives destroyed, during their own bloody lives, are now enjoying the freedom and power of fourth density.

I think it's important to remember that there are many, MANY universes and worlds and modes of existence out there. According to Ra, there are universes of negativity that are playgrounds for dark picnics, which I can only imagine as being something like the "hell" of the Hellraiser movies if you happen to know those. Entire dimensions populated with nothing *but* creatures who thrive on blood and pain and sorrow.

Those freshly 4D entities you envy will basically become the fresh meat for far larger and more vicious entities. It's the "always a bigger fish" cycle for the STSs, from what I can make out from Ra's (somewhat brief) comments on the matter. Their further advancement towards 5D wisdom will involve a lot of suffering, a large part of it their own.

So, my question is: What makes harvestable negative entities immune to karma? It means that if an entity is enough of a badass, it is literally free to destroy anyone's life without any spiritual debt? Where is the law of reaction, also called karma, in this situation? Love of self indeed neutralizes the spiritual effects of hating others?

Karma is a tricky thing to talk about, but it's really not a justice system. "Good" and "Evil" are distortions. So are "Positive" and "Negative." There's only The Creator experiencing Creation through all the modes of existence it has to offer. Because there are predators, there are prey. When lovers love, the Creator knows the lovers' joy. When a killer kills, the Creator knows the killer's joy.

Karma largely means that we construct the lives that we live in. A brutally negative person will be drawn towards brutally negative existences. But he will also suffer the obvious consequences of such lives: Live by the sword, die by the sword. That's karma.

Ultimately every experience we have, painful or pleasurable, is just another step towards the universal understanding that lies in 7D and beyond.

[andreazzi]

Their further advancement towards 5D wisdom will involve a lot of suffering, a large part of it their own...

I never thought of it this way. It makes much sense.

...But he will also suffer the obvious consequences of such lives:  Live by the sword, die by the sword.  That's karma...

well, if you examine, for instance, Gengis Khan's life, you will see that he has not died by the sword, he has died in wealth and power, apparently no negative consequences for his actions during his own life on Earth. My question was specifically this: where are the negative consequences, or Karma, for such examples? Is negative fourth density responsible for charging the debt off? Or there is no debt at all, as anagogy said, if he is appropriately drawing from inteligent infinity?

[I_Am_The_One]

Their further advancement towards 5D wisdom will involve a lot of suffering, a large part of it their own...

I never thought of it this way. It makes much sense.

...But he will also suffer the obvious consequences of such lives:  Live by the sword, die by the sword.  That's karma...

well, if you examine, for instance, Gengis Khan's life, you will see that he has not died by the sword, he has died in wealth and power, apparently no negative consequences for his actions during his own life on Earth. My question was specifically this: where are the negative consequences, or Karma, for such examples? Is negative fourth density responsible for charging the debt off? Or there is no debt at all, as anagogy said, if he is appropriately drawing from inteligent infinity?

I think you have mistaken karma, for vengeance. Karma is a tool used for learning. Not vengeance. As you make choices, you show what you know, and what you dont. The universe then gives you these lessons. Karma is not always manifested through pain good sir. The entity who hurt an other-self, has already damaged himself. The creator emanates love, not hatred. Karma is a healer, not a destroyer.

[andreazzi]

I think you have mistaken karma, for vengeance. Karma is a tool used for learning. Not vengeance. As you make choices, you show what you know, and what you dont. The universe then gives you these lessons. Karma is not always manifested through pain good sir. The entity who hurt an other-self, has already damaged himself. The creator emanates love, not hatred. Karma is a healer, not a destroyer.

Actually, not. Karma is the law of action and reaction. If you emanate hate that's what you will get back, the same for love.

Karma is not a healer, nor a destroyer, karma is a teacher.

Anyway, I don't want to get off the track on my main question. Thanks for your thoughts.

[AnthroHeart]

Won't you work off your karma in 7D eventually?

[Steppingfeet]

According to Ra, those negative entities, here on Eath, which have achieved harvestability on the service-to-self path, are free to kill, rape, enslave, cheat, etc., for this is their 'picnic'. As examples we have Taras Bulba, Genghis Khan, and Rasputin, who, instead of paying for all the lives destroyed, during their own bloody lives, are now enjoying the freedom and power of fourth density.

So, my question is: What makes harvestable negative entities immune to karma? It means that if an entity is enough of a badass, it is literally free to destroy anyone's life without any spiritual debt? Where is the law of reaction, also called karma, in this situation? Love of self indeed neutralizes the spiritual effects of hating others?

I dunno if it helps, Daniel, but one intrepid young seeker asked a similar question of Q'uo in an October 11, 2008 channeling:


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G: Ra says of karma that an entity that acts in a consciously unloving manner in action with other beings can become karmically involved. They also say that the stoppage of the inertia of action may be called forgiveness. This raises an interesting question considering that in order to polarize, the negative entity is consciously attempting to exclude the energies of the heart chakra from all of its interactions with other selves.

What then is karma to the negative entity? And if the negative entity accumulates such a thing as karma, how does the negative entity alleviate karma?

We are those of Q’uo, my brother. To answer that query we must put you into the negative mindset. To the negative mindset, karma is delicious. The building up of it is delicious. There is joy in creating more karma because this is the by-product of control over others and manipulation of others. Consequently, there is no attempt to alleviate karma in the service-to-self path, but only to hone the edge of rage and anger until it is ever more penetrating and ever more effective.

May we answer you further, my brother?

G: So then, karma operates universally on third-density entities but there are two different attitudes with respect to karma?

We are those of Q’uo. That is precisely correct, my brother.
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[Minyatur]

Won't you work off your karma in 7D eventually?

7D is not the end of the road, it is a higher infinitely-low level of evolution.

[I_Am_The_One]

I think you have mistaken karma, for vengeance. Karma is a tool used for learning. Not vengeance. As you make choices, you show what you know, and what you dont. The universe then gives you these lessons. Karma is not always manifested through pain good sir. The entity who hurt an other-self, has already damaged himself. The creator emanates love, not hatred. Karma is a healer, not a destroyer.

Actually, not. Karma is the law of action and reaction. If you emanate hate that's what you will get back, the same for love.

Karma is not a healer, nor a destroyer, karma is a teacher.

Anyway, I don't want to get off the track on my main question. Thanks for your thoughts.

I can really tell you have a disdain for me. Well if you look more closely. Alot of the same points were made. By both of us. We only differ in the perception, of karma being a healer. Well the entity that sends out hatred, will usually get hatred in return. This resulting from, hatred usually a good teacher of not to hate. Ever heard of "get a taste of your own medicine." Well as hatred or love comes around, said entity, gets hatred. Sees it and learns from it. He lessens his distortions or heals himself and moves unto the light. You are under "healing" at all times until you are with source. This is the broader term of which, we think of healing today. Also Im not saying it is not from what you do or your choices. Im not argueing mechanics. It definately is a result of "action and reaction"

[I_Am_The_One]

I think it's important to remember that there are many, MANY universes and worlds and modes of existence out there.  According to Ra, there are universes of negativity that are playgrounds for dark picnics, which I can only imagine as being something like the "hell" of the Hellraiser movies if you happen to know those.  Entire dimensions populated with nothing *but* creatures who thrive on blood and pain and sorrow.

Good point peace, the universe is wild as hell. Strap in and strap up. We got some ridin to do!

Oh and peace, I love your energy man, I love your post to. Always helps me feel better for some odd reason. You little monkey

[Stranger]

Dunno if I'm right, but here's my thought-forms on the matter.

A descending model of involution:

 
Thought-form

• “more regular” than matter
  

 
Matter

• “energy fields created by the material in the rock”, that is, the rock that we see and can measure
  
• Matter has been “created through thought-form,” “from thought to finite energy,” into “beingness” in our third-density illusion. Ra calls this beingness in our illusion our “distorted reflection of the level of thought-form”.
  

Exactly how I understand it also - Ra got hold of the Platonic form of the rock, the rock idea existing in potentiality, and made it manifestly physical. Remember somewhere Ra mentions that everything that we perceive as existing, had been created (in concept or thought-form) long before it manifested as physical.

[APeacefulWarrior]

To the negative mindset, karma is delicious. The building up of it is delicious. There is joy in creating more karma because this is the by-product of control over others and manipulation of others. Consequently, there is no attempt to alleviate karma in the service-to-self path, but only to hone the edge of rage and anger until it is ever more penetrating and ever more effective.

You know, that Quo'te about the building up of Karma got me thinking about the French King Louis XIV, the so-called "Sun King." There's something interesting about him a lot of people don't know that illustrates what karmic buildup can lead to. (Man, it sounds like a toothpaste ad when I say it that way...)

Louis XIV, the man reviled for his extreme excess, lacked the one thing that even the poorest commoner could enjoy: Privacy.

He felt that as the head of the state, he must ALWAYS be visible to his people so that they knew their King was working for them. His entire life was an open book, and the only - I repeat ONLY - time he had anything approaching privacy was in his bedchamber, within the drawn curtains of his own bed. And even then, people would probably be in the room. Even his morning constitutionals were overseen by attendants and courtiers and other assorted lackeys.

He lived this way for more than sixty years.

And I've always wondered - not that we could ever know - did he revel in it, or revile it? Was it his grand stage, or the world's most gilded cage?

Karma's funny that way.

[andreazzi]

I can really tell you have a disdain for me. Well if you look more closely. Alot of the same points were made. By both of us. We only differ in the perception, of karma being a healer. Well the entity that sends out hatred, will usually get hatred in return. This resulting from, hatred usually a good teacher of not to hate. Ever heard of "get a taste of your own medicine." Well as hatred or love comes around, said entity, gets hatred. Sees it and learns from it. He lessens his distortions or heals himself and moves unto the light. You are under "healing" at all times until you are with source. This is the broader term of which, we think of healing today. Also Im not saying it is not from what you do or your choices. Im not argueing mechanics. It definately is a result of "action and reaction"

No disdain at all, my friend. It's just that the central point of my question was not what is karma. But, instead, what makes harvestable negative entities immune to it. When I say immune, I mean how does Gengis Khan, for instance, who has killed, raped, destroyed thousands of other selves experiences, during his own life, instead of been born again in this world (trapped by the wheel of karma) to, let's say, pay for his actions (classical view of karma), is actually pretty well in negative fourth density, sending crusaders to Earth in this very moment.

Based upon the answers I had and the 'Q'uote' that our friend Gary posted, I now believe that indeed, those who achieve harvestability on the negative path, opening the gateway to intelligent infinity, are actually freed from this wheel of action, for the love of self, in this level of purity, in fact neutralizes the wheel of karma, at least as I understand it. And it actually becomes a tool for enslavement and pleasure. Much like the Devil's classical role in our religions: that is, tempt for then, due to karma, enslave.

[I_Am_The_One]

Very nicely put.

[Minyatur]

I can really tell you have a disdain for me. Well if you look more closely. Alot of the same points were made. By both of us. We only differ in the perception, of karma being a healer. Well the entity that sends out hatred, will usually get hatred in return. This resulting from, hatred usually a good teacher of not to hate. Ever heard of "get a taste of your own medicine." Well as hatred or love comes around, said entity, gets hatred. Sees it and learns from it. He lessens his distortions or heals himself and moves unto the light. You are under "healing" at all times until you are with source. This is the broader term of which, we think of healing today. Also Im not saying it is not from what you do or your choices. Im not argueing mechanics. It definately is a result of "action and reaction"

No disdain at all, my friend. It's just that the central point of my question was not what is karma. But, instead, what makes harvestable negative entities immune to it. When I say immune, I mean how does Gengis Khan, for instance, who has killed, raped, destroyed thousands of other selves experiences, during his own life, instead of been born again in this world (trapped by the wheel of karma) to, let's say, pay for his actions (classical view of karma), is actually pretty well in negative fourth density, sending crusaders to Earth in this very moment.

Based upon the answers I had and the 'Q'uote' that our friend Gary posted, I now believe that indeed, those who achieve harvestability on the negative path, opening the gateway to intelligent infinity, are actually freed from this wheel of action, for the love of self, in this level of purity, in fact neutralizes the wheel of karma, at least as I understand it. And it actually becomes a tool for enslavement and pleasure. Much like the Devil's classical role in our religions: that is, tempt for then, due to karma, enslave.

I don't think anyone is imune to karma, there's the need for lessons or there's no need for them. Karma is not about retribution more like space/time emergence of hints of time/space lessons.

[I_Am_The_One]

I think said negative entity can basically ignore the karma, and looks at it as a Trophy of his conquest. The higher the karma imbalance, the greater it is at separation. Everything in life is of perception. Its not exactly how the mechanics function, but how there are a million ways to interpret the same thing.

[I_Am_The_One]

I would want to be a Logos to a planet at least. That way I can experience everything the people of the planet experience.
As long as it's not too much STS I can take it.

There's still a lot of beauty in Earth.

Yes there is my friend, I plan on polarizing this place with as much love/light I can channel through. Just a couple days ago, I felt entirely different. Like this wasnt my plan. Know I do. I want to vibrate this place with love. I love mother Earth.