5D negative question

[AnthroHeart]

In reading some other posts, I had to wonder if all wanderers came from a higher positive, or if there are some negative wanderers.

So let's say that a negative wanderer's home was from 5D.

If they were harvested negative, they would go back to 5D?

I just hope that there isn't going to be an accidental mixup and I end up in a 5D negative world.

If 4D negative is fierce where everyone is fighting one another, it makes me wonder how much more intense 5D negative would be. Are there any comparisons?

I don't know why I just now had this fear of going to 5D negative suddenly come up on me. Ok, well, not really a fear, but a curiosity of how bad 5D would be.

[Aaron]

There are negative wanderers, but only a few. The positive wanderers outnumber the negative ones by quite a few. Also, 5D negative wanderers are very rare because "they fear the forgetting". I would offer the quotes right from the Ra material or from Q'uo, but the place where I'm staying has a painfully slow internet connection, so looking through the material is a matter of hours.

I don't think you should fear being harvested to 5D negative. That sounds kinda irrational to me. Think about it, while you're here, you don't know your origins, and you cannot for sure. Nor can you know for sure anyone else's origins. It's like Ra's poker game analogy: "Whatever your hand, I love you." I think this applies to yourself as well. Without judging yourself for your perceptions of your actions, be accepting of yourself, and don't fear that you'll be harvested negatively. The only way you'll be harvested negatively is if you intend to serve yourself with 95% strength. That's living quite selfishly! Really examine your thoughts and actions, and you'll probably find that they're not that selfish. Even being fearful that you'll end up in a negative environment and not be able to offer service to others in the way that you feel you should is a non-selfish thought. (Although it does denote a blockage somewhere that is twisting love into fear.)

As far as the comparison between 4D negative and 5D negative: 4D entities are very simple compared to 5D, and in the negative sense, are used by 5D entities as "minions", due to their limited understanding, and by working as a slave to the 5D entity, gain understanding in compassionless wisdom. Again, I would offer you the relevant quotes instead of pulling from my memory if it was practical.

Have no fear, my friend!

[JoshC]

There's not much comparison that I could make really, and I'm not sure if any of the channeled entities from L/L have talked about it. If I were to describe the differences I imagine the degree of "evil" would differ would be similar to the difference of a 3d student who's about to graduate negatively and everyone else in 4d negative working towards 5d negative. The student of 3d automatically starts at the very bottom of the totem pole upon graduating to 4d-; 5d- people are insanely more powerful than 4d-.

...but a curiosity of how bad 5D would be.

How bad it is is relative and subjective, sir! To an entity within 5d- I imagine it would seem like life as normal. To a 6d- it might provoke nastalgia :p

I agree with Aaron's sentiments There's no need to worry about graduating negative - 95% is really hard to achieve!

[AnthroHeart]

I agree, especially since I'm trying to be as positive as I can. Going above just default in how I work to serve others, although I do have my selfish tendencies.

My concern was more if there was a "clerical error" or some other nonsense like that. I read some article about hospitals giving wrong medication accidentally, and somehow that thought stuck in my mind about being accidentally labeled as negative. I wasn't sure how well integrated the system is, because take the quarantine for instance, negative beings can still get through.

So this harvest, is it a perfect system with no mistakes?

I agree with Aaron's sentiments There's no need to worry about graduating negative - 95% is really hard to achieve!

[JoshC]

The quarantine isn't designed to be impenetrable - to respect the free will of negatives there are purposeful "random" windows through which to enter.

The harvest is a flawless system and you'll be carefully guided up the steps of light by the guardians (seventh density beings).

[Aaron]

Every entity judges their own capacity for handling the light. So, there can be no error, because you yourself decide when the light becomes uncomfortable for you. Again, forgive me for not providing the source info.

[AnthroHeart]

Thank you both for your input. Very informative.

I work each day on pulling more energy through me. I feel spots in my body where blockages are, and when they are released, the energy gets smoother and feels more fluid.

Is this work on moving more energy similar to the energy we'll be exposed to when walking the steps of light?

Could someone who does no work on increasing their vibration and handling more energy, be able to get to the same levels of light on those steps? Or is it a different type of energy totally, not based on how much your chakras can push?

[Peregrinus]

When the spirit falls away on the steps of light is not about the strength of individual rays, for this is determined by balance of the rays. A spirit with weak but balanced rays will go further than the spirit with, for example, all strong rays but for one weak one.

[thefool]

If 4D negative is fierce where everyone is fighting one another, it makes me wonder how much more intense 5D negative would be. Are there any comparisons?

I also think that you really have nothing to worry about as 95% negative polarity is really hard to get even when you are trying. You obviously are trying the other way around towards STO. So you will be fine.

But imagining a 5D- world, I believe - it would not be violent and confusing like 4D-. As all the hierarchies have been settled and now you are exploring the limits of power and control. It is a wisdom density, so you would be exploring the power you can have over other beings, elements, worlds, planets. How you can explode a planet with a flick of a wrist. The power of destruction and annihilation. The god powers...

But I remember that power over oneself is the greatest power one can have...(not the power over others)

[unity100]

How you can explode a planet with a flick of a wrist. The power of destruction and annihilation. The god powers...

hahahahaha. i dont think anyone has that ... at least in these densities.

[AnthroHeart]

I found some interesting quotes regarding fifth-density negative:

25.11 Ra: I am Ra. The fifth density is the density of light or wisdom. The so-called negative service-to-self entity in this density is at a high level of awareness and wisdom and has ceased activity except by thought. The fifth-density negative is extraordinarily compacted and separated from all else.

48.5 In fifth-density positive and negative the concept of work done through a potential difference is not particularly helpful as fifth-density entities are, again, intensifying rather than potentiating.

In fourth-density negative much work is accomplished during the fighting for position which precedes the period of the social memory complex. There are opportunities to polarize negatively by control of other-selves. During the social memory complex period of fourth-density negative the situation is the same. The work takes place through the societal reaching out to less polarized otherself in order to aid in negative polarization.

In fifth-density positive and negative the concept of work done through a potential difference is not particularly helpful as fifth-density entities are, again, intensifying rather than potentiating.

In fifth-density negative, service to self has become extremely intense and the self has shrunk or compacted so that the dialogues with the teach/learners are used exclusively in order to intensify wisdom. There are very, very few fifth-density negative Wanderers for they fear the forgetting. There are very, very few fifth-density Orion members for they do not any longer perceive any virtue in other-selves.

[unity100]

the latest bit means there are very few orion members belonging to 5th density.

[Brittany]

I think Ra said something about negative 5D being like a maximum security prison to postively oriented people. However, they also describe the tremendous amount of effort put into harvest in order to ensure everyone ends up where they need to be. I don't think you can "accidentally" end up somewhere. The negatives can't even "kidnap" you against your free will. If you go somewhere, it's because you chose to be there.

[Questioner]

If you have time to read a novel, Esmerelda from the L/L Research library (link at the top of this page) has a section that describes a positive higher-density entity's experience getting trapped in negative 4d or negative 5d - I'm not sure which. Don's questions to Ra about all of this, including time/space, make some more sense if you realize that they were informed by this previous book, which seems to have been channeled in terms of storytelling images.

I might not have much time to do research this week, but it might also be worthwhile for someone with a free day to dig into the Q'uo archives for more material about this topic.